A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like Boris
and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a “beloved Lawrence family man, scientist and community
leader” came as a shock to Jamal’s friends and neighbors in the Kansas
City area, where he has lived since arriving in the United States on a
student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years ago. He would go on to
also attain graduate degrees in molecular biosciences and
pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence to raise a family."






--
"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place."

"Truth Sounds Like Hate To Those Who Hate The Truth"

On 2/5/2018 9:05 AM, Dove Tail wrote:
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like Boris
and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a €œbeloved Lawrence family man, scientist and community
leader€� came as a shock to Jamals friends and neighbors in the Kansas
City area, where he has lived since arriving in the United States on a
student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years ago. He would go on to
also attain graduate degrees in molecular biosciences and
pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence to raise a family."


What does his degrees matter? Is he a better person than a farmhand
trying to support his family? We need them too.

He should not be deported after 30 years though.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/5/2018 9:05 AM, Dove Tail wrote:
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a €œbeloved Lawrence family man, scientist and
community leader€� came as a shock to Jamals friends and neighbors
in the Kansas City area, where he has lived since arriving in the
United States on a student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years
ago. He would go on to also attain graduate degrees in molecular
biosciences and pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence
to raise a family."


What does his degrees matter? Is he a better person than a farmhand
trying to support his family? We need them too.

He should not be deported after 30 years though.

Your point is reasonable.

However, considering Trump's "merit" argument and the rarity of people
with the qualifications of this man, the public relations value of
publicizing this, is significantly greater than publicizing the
deportation of a farm worker.

Personally, I find value in the vast majority human beings (sans
violent criminals, traitors, etc), but I am realistic about how
society, in general, judges people.



--
"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place."

"Truth Sounds Like Hate To Those Who Hate The Truth"

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-5, Dove Tail wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/5/2018 9:05 AM, Dove Tail wrote:
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a €œbeloved Lawrence family man, scientist and
community leader€� came as a shock to Jamals friends and neighbors
in the Kansas City area, where he has lived since arriving in the
United States on a student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years
ago. He would go on to also attain graduate degrees in molecular
biosciences and pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence
to raise a family."


What does his degrees matter? Is he a better person than a farmhand
trying to support his family? We need them too.

He should not be deported after 30 years though.

Your point is reasonable.

However, considering Trump's "merit" argument and the rarity of people
with the qualifications of this man, the public relations value of
publicizing this, is significantly greater than publicizing the
deportation of a farm worker.

Personally, I find value in the vast majority human beings (sans
violent criminals, traitors, etc), but I am realistic about how
society, in general, judges people.




+1

Trump says that we need the "good ones", the ones that contribute to
the country, the ones with skills, the ones with education, not the
******** ones. Was Bangladesh on his ******** list? It would be if
anyone asked him, that's for sure. So, here we have that and after
30 years he's being deported.

Obviously the problem here is that the country has been betrayed by
presidents at least going back to Clinton. He came here in 1988
legally. He could have renewed for years, but by the mid 90s you'd
think his time was up. That is when he should have been deported.
Now we have a real mess.

One thing is for sure. If they ever can pass an immigration bill,
one that gives illegals amnesty, that bill should spend pages
documenting this disaster, how failure to enforce the law has lead
to this and it should clearly state the intent of the Congress that
from here on, immigration law is absolutely to be enforced, no if's
and's or buts. And then, if some future president decides to start
ignoring it again, presumably a court case would be brought and they
would have the clear intent of Congress, the clear intent of the law,
to argue their case for enforcement and prevail.


The joke of the day, I heard this AM that McCain and Coons have a proposal
to give amnesty to 1.8 mil, no wall, just calling for a study on border
security. That's
about as dumb as anything I've seen in recent years. No way that would
ever get through Congress and Trump would never sign it, he'd have to be
a total fool. A study is exactly what should have been done, but again,
why hasn't Congress done this years ago? Why didn't Trump ask for it
a year ago? In Trump's case it's because he doesn't need no stinking
survey about the best solution, he thinks he already knows it.

"Dove Tail" wrote in message
news
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like Boris
and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a "beloved Lawrence family man, scientist and community
leader" came as a shock to Jamal's friends and neighbors in the Kansas
City area, where he has lived since arriving in the United States on a
student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years ago. He would go on to
also attain graduate degrees in molecular biosciences and
pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence to raise a family."

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand that over staying
a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 2:15:12 PM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
"Dove Tail" wrote in message
news
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like Boris
and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a "beloved Lawrence family man, scientist and community
leader" came as a shock to Jamal's friends and neighbors in the Kansas
City area, where he has lived since arriving in the United States on a
student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years ago. He would go on to
also attain graduate degrees in molecular biosciences and
pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence to raise a family."

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand that over staying
a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

And of course you're OK with his wife and children, which are US citizens
going on welfare and food stamps, losing their house, right? That makes
a lot of sense. Turn a tax paying American family into one without a
father that's on public assistance. That's part of the new conservative
agenda too, more families
without fathers is the way to go, right? No father, on welfare, probably
drugs and crime next, that's where you want them headed, right?

dadiOH wrote:


"Dove Tail" wrote in message
news
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a "beloved Lawrence family man, scientist and
community leader" came as a shock to Jamal's friends and neighbors
in the Kansas City area, where he has lived since arriving in the
United States on a student visa from Bangladesh more than 30 years
ago. He would go on to also attain graduate degrees in molecular
biosciences and pharmaceutical engineering, then settle in Lawrence
to raise a family."

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.


Fortunately, that attitude and raids like this are going to play very
poorly in the press when it starts happening to the DACA kids.

As an aside, I look forward to you having a similar hard-line
legalistic perspective at the conclusion of the Mueller investigation.

trader_4 wrote:


One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

And of course you're OK with his wife and children, which are US
citizens going on welfare and food stamps, losing their house, right?
That makes a lot of sense. Turn a tax paying American family into
one without a father that's on public assistance. That's part of the
new conservative agenda too, more families
without fathers is the way to go, right? No father, on welfare,
probably drugs and crime next, that's where you want them headed,
right?


Several very good points. Excellent.


--
"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place."

"Truth Sounds Like Hate To Those Who Hate The Truth"

dadiOH wrote:
"Dove Tail" wrote in message
news
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be
awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the
DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian
trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry
professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of
three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a "beloved Lawrence family man, scientist
and
community leader" came as a shock to Jamal's friends and
neighbors
in the Kansas City area, where he has lived since
arriving in the
United States on a student visa from Bangladesh more than
30 years
ago. He would go on to also attain graduate degrees in
molecular
biosciences and pharmaceutical engineering, then settle
in Lawrence
to raise a family."

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to become
legal?

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 2:57:10 PM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
"Dove Tail" wrote in message
news
A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be
awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the
DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian
trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry
professor.


ICE arrests Kansas chemistry professor and father of
three

The Washington Post http://tinyurl.com/ybrywbne


"The arrest of a "beloved Lawrence family man, scientist
and
community leader" came as a shock to Jamal's friends and
neighbors
in the Kansas City area, where he has lived since
arriving in the
United States on a student visa from Bangladesh more than
30 years
ago. He would go on to also attain graduate degrees in
molecular
biosciences and pharmaceutical engineering, then settle
in Lawrence
to raise a family."

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to become
legal?

Sounds like you assume there is some path to becoming legal. Once
you're here illegally, for whatever reason, it's either not easy or
impossible. The DACA for example are begging for a way to become
legal. This guy did the wrong thing two or three decades ago.
The US also did the wrong thing by not enforcing the law for two
decades plus. The question is, what is the right, humane, decent,
American thing to do about it now. You'd deport him?

On 2/5/2018 2:57 PM, ChairMan wrote:

One would think he had sufficient intellect to understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to become
legal?



Not a case of smart, but a case of laws that prevent him from doing so.
There have been many cases of this in the new lately.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/5/2018 2:57 PM, ChairMan wrote:

One would think he had sufficient intellect to
understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant
consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to
become
legal?



Not a case of smart, but a case of laws that prevent him
from doing
so. There have been many cases of this in the new lately.

yabbut, with a degree comes bank and with bank ya can get an
attorney to git er done : )

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:07:50 PM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/5/2018 2:57 PM, ChairMan wrote:

One would think he had sufficient intellect to
understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant
consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to
become
legal?



Not a case of smart, but a case of laws that prevent him
from doing
so. There have been many cases of this in the new lately.

yabbut, with a degree comes bank and with bank ya can get an
attorney to git er done : )

Apparently it's not as easy as you think. For example, the guy in Detroit
would have to be out of the country for ten years before he can apply to
come in again. If it was a matter of a lawyer, there are all kinds of
advocates, including the best immigration lawyers trying to do something
for these people. And as these cases show, the best they can do is delay,
stall for awhile, but I have yet to hear a story of them making someone
like this legal.

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:00:34 PM UTC-6, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:07:50 PM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/5/2018 2:57 PM, ChairMan wrote:

One would think he had sufficient intellect to
understand
that over
staying a visa could/should have unpleasant
consequences.

Smart and productive should not = a free pass.

smart enough to get a degree but not smart enough to
become
legal?

Not a case of smart, but a case of laws that prevent him
from doing
so. There have been many cases of this in the new lately.

yabbut, with a degree comes bank and with bank ya can get an
attorney to git er done : )

Apparently it's not as easy as you think. For example, the guy in Detroit
would have to be out of the country for ten years before he can apply to
come in again. If it was a matter of a lawyer, there are all kinds of
advocates, including the best immigration lawyers trying to do something
for these people. And as these cases show, the best they can do is delay,
stall for awhile, but I have yet to hear a story of them making someone
like this legal.


If federal immigration law had been strictly enforced through the years after Eisenhower left office, the country wouldn't be having a problem with illegal immigrants today. Both political parties are to blame for being lax on enforcement. Now all these criminal immigrants and Commiecrats are whining and crying because the laws are finally being enforced. Commiecrats need the votes from illegal immigrants and don't like seeing their voter base being eroded. They would be howling if The United States treated illegal immigrants the way Mexico does. O_o

[8~{} Uncle Strict Monster

Boris wrote:

"Dove Tail" wrote in news59obp$5t7$1@dont-
email.me:

A very small taste of the kind of bad PR that will be awaiting the
American Eichmann (Trump) should he attempt to deport the DACA
enrollees.

It would make more sense to deport uneducated Russian trolls like
Boris and Burpford than it does to deport a Chemistry professor.

Educated people know that Boris is from , not Russia.


Heh, heh, but that is simply troll code for mother Russia. LOL!