What "nail" marks lines in private road pavement permanently?

The county marked the right of way because we have some work to do and we
want them to do some of it which they are happy to do within their ROW.

Some of the work we're doing is going to black tar over the currently
painted lines for the right of way.

Before that happens I just want to make a permanent or semi-permanent mark
on the road for the right of way line.

Can I assume "big nails" will do the job?
Or do they work their way up and puncture tires years from now?

Or do they have something special for roads that we can buy at the hardware
store?

On 5/30/2017 8:11 AM, Mad Roger wrote:
What "nail" marks lines in private road pavement permanently?

The county marked the right of way because we have some work to do and we
want them to do some of it which they are happy to do within their ROW.

Some of the work we're doing is going to black tar over the currently
painted lines for the right of way.

Before that happens I just want to make a permanent or semi-permanent mark
on the road for the right of way line.

Can I assume "big nails" will do the job?
Or do they work their way up and puncture tires years from now?

Or do they have something special for roads that we can buy at the hardware
store?


Try making some sense in future poasts, asshole.

On 5/30/2017 8:11 AM, Mad Roger wrote:
What "nail" marks lines in private road pavement permanently?

The county marked the right of way because we have some work to do and we
want them to do some of it which they are happy to do within their ROW.

Some of the work we're doing is going to black tar over the currently
painted lines for the right of way.

Before that happens I just want to make a permanent or semi-permanent mark
on the road for the right of way line.

Can I assume "big nails" will do the job?
Or do they work their way up and puncture tires years from now?

Or do they have something special for roads that we can buy at the hardware
store?


Here are some survey nails surveyors use:

https://www.berntsen.com/Surveying/S...s/Survey-Nails

I would assume the ridges on the shaft help keep the nail in place once
pounded into the asphalt.

You might ask your county surveyor or road crew for their thoughts (and
maybe a free handful, depending on how many you want to use). Or, why
is the county not installing permanent markers before they cover up what
is visible now?

On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:23:29 -0700,
Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

Try making some sense in future poasts, asshole.

I'm sorry if I was obtuse.

All I was asking is what object to embed in a macadam road to mark lines
permanently.

On 5/30/2017 4:18 PM, Mad Roger wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:23:29 -0700,
Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

Try making some sense in future poasts, asshole.

I'm sorry if I was obtuse.

All I was asking is what object to embed in a macadam road to mark lines
permanently.



We all got it. ALL of us.

On Tue, 30 May 2017 20:25:42 -0400,
wrote:

Why not just put monuments on your lot corners, off the ROW? Dig a
little hole, drop in a piece of 3" PVC Cardboard tube or whatever
flush to the ground drive a piece of rebar flush to the pipe and fill
it with concrete, mortar, grout or whatever you have. That will be
easy to find and last until the next millennium or more.

A nail is easier!

I just want to mark the line which is the ROW that crosses the road.
It's about 20 feet from the center of the connecting public road but it's
not at an angle that you would guess at.

The survey ROW apparently pre-dates the actual road, so the road doesn't
exactly follow the ROW chains. The road is windy. The ROW is straight lines
(go figure).

Why they do it that way is beyond me, but the only way to know where the
ROW "really" is, is to measure it and mark it. They did that for me, but
they marked in paint where I want the nails to outlast the paint.

I agree that a set of concrete monuments might be more permanent, but it's
a lot more work than simply driving a few nails into the pavement!

On Wed, 31 May 2017 01:20:28 -0000 (UTC), Mad Roger
wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2017 20:25:42 -0400,
wrote:

Why not just put monuments on your lot corners, off the ROW? Dig a
little hole, drop in a piece of 3" PVC Cardboard tube or whatever
flush to the ground drive a piece of rebar flush to the pipe and fill
it with concrete, mortar, grout or whatever you have. That will be
easy to find and last until the next millennium or more.

A nail is easier!

I just want to mark the line which is the ROW that crosses the road.
It's about 20 feet from the center of the connecting public road but it's
not at an angle that you would guess at.

The survey ROW apparently pre-dates the actual road, so the road doesn't
exactly follow the ROW chains. The road is windy. The ROW is straight lines
(go figure).

Why they do it that way is beyond me, but the only way to know where the
ROW "really" is, is to measure it and mark it. They did that for me, but
they marked in paint where I want the nails to outlast the paint.

I agree that a set of concrete monuments might be more permanent, but it's
a lot more work than simply driving a few nails into the pavement!

The relationship between the road C/L and the ROW is tenuous at best.
They just have to stay within that boundary. I spent a day with the
surveyor here and he says they never trust the road as a benchmark.
The utility poles are a better marker according to him since they
usually run just inside the ROW to be as far from the road as
possible. He said if you nailed your fence to your side of the poles
you would only be cheating a few inches. :-)

On Tue, 30 May 2017 22:09:24 -0400,
wrote:

The relationship between the road C/L and the ROW is tenuous at best.

I agree with you that there is only a vague relationship between the
centerline of the road and the centerline of the 40 foot (20 to each side)
right of way.

For one thing, the ROW chains are straight sections while the road is
curved.

They just have to stay within that boundary.

I'm not so sure. In fact, I know the ROW and the road only share a tenuous
relationship (see above). In some places, the ROW goes 40 feet OFF the
road, off into the distance (usually on curves) and in other places it's
skewed to one side so that there are 0 feet on the pavement on one side and
40 feet to the other.

Only on the very straight sections is the centerline of the road the same
or similar as the centerline of the 20 foot to each side ROW.

I asked them once how they handle that and they explained that it only
matters when it matters.

I spent a day with the
surveyor here and he says they never trust the road as a benchmark.

Much agreed. Every time we have a landslkide or a treefall or a rock in the
road, etc., the crews come out. When they have to bulldoze or fix
something, they bring the surveyors who mark the centerlines which is
usually but not always in the road.

Then they put wood stakes with orange tape at the edges 20 feet to the side
(usually only on one side where the work needs to be done).

As you said originally, there is only a tenuous relationship between the
road and the ROW.

The utility poles are a better marker according to him since they
usually run just inside the ROW to be as far from the road as
possible. He said if you nailed your fence to your side of the poles
you would only be cheating a few inches. :-)

Out here, a guy put up a fence in the ROW and they took it down.
They put a notice on it and gave him a couple of weeks and he left it there
and they pulled it out and stacked all the wood neatly.

I asked them at the time how it works and it's really just a legal thing.

1. They told me that the maintenance crews will cut trees and bulldoze
rocks and weed whack and groom 'about ten feet' to each side of the road,
without consulting maps UNLESS someone has explicitly told them to stay
away from a tree or garden or whatever AND if that thing they need to stay
away from is NOT in the ROW.

Basically, the road maintenance guys just use the road as their guideline.

2. When CONSTRUCTION work is involved, then they strictly follow the ROW,
where they don't touch anything outside the ROW. If destruction is involved
within the ROW, they give two week's notice and that's it.

So, the ROW only matters when it matters.
But as you said, the ROW only tenuously follows the road.