I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.

thanks

On 3/1/17 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.

thanks


Had a friend check on that today. Nobody in the fairly big area (city of
around 200,000) was installing them yet and he found only one that had
even talked to Tesla and they said they did not know when they might
start. FWIW

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.

thanks


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.

On 03/01/2017 06:57 PM, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 3/1/17 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off




snip
thanks


Had a friend check on that today. Nobody in the fairly big area (city of
around 200,000) was installing them yet and he found only one that had
even talked to Tesla and they said they did not know when they might
start. FWIW



Though there is no immediate urgency to get this done, I also do not
want to be one of the first ones to purchase a new product.

Guess I will wait and see.

On 03/01/2017 07:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.



snip


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.



Well, the hard part is now done.

Each year my wife and I take one small vacation and one big one.

She has agreed to skip the big vacation which should leave enough in my
budget to replace the roof.

I might even trim those bushes in the front that she's been nagging
about for the past ten years.


If the solar roof looks like it's a good product I might very well go
with it. If it appears to be in the Beta phase, will probably skip it.

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:00:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.

thanks


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.


For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
... so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

On 03/01/2017 07:27 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:00:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar



snip

For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.



Hmmm , that may very well be the case, I sure can't see solar cells
costing less than an asphalt roof

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-6, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 07:27 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:00:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

snip

For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

Hmmm , that may very well be the case, I sure can't see solar cells
costing less than an asphalt roof

The problem is that there may be no roofing companies certified to install and guarantee the Tesla solar cell roof system. I'm thinking there would be several crafts involved in the installation. If you'd like to know about roofing and different home repairs, you can call into a live radio show every Saturday morning starting at 7:00-10:00am CST on "Your House And Mine" 99..5 FM and 1070 AM WAPI Birmingham. (844)455-9950 ヽ(ヅ)ノ

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On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:27:59 -0500, wrote:

I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

We had neighbors putting solar panels on the roofs by a "high pressure
salesman". Here in the desert. I said no. Turns out at the time they
may have paid more for energy than us doing simple things in the
house. Those folks did not get a benefit due to current laws. In
fact, they were paying more. It is still being worked out with the
legislature, the utility and such. The laws didn't match the benefits
as I understand it at the time.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:27:59 -0500, wrote in



For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

+1
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On 03/01/2017 09:55 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:27:59 -0500, wrote:

I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

We had neighbors putting solar panels on the roofs by a "high pressure
salesman". Here in the desert. I said no. Turns out at the time they
may have paid more for energy than us doing simple things in the
house. Those folks did not get a benefit due to current laws. In
fact, they were paying more. It is still being worked out with the
legislature, the utility and such. The laws didn't match the benefits
as I understand it at the time.



I posted before that a friend of mine at one time had the largest
private solar array in the state of Wisconsin.

Damn thing cost $100k

Not worth it. I tried to have him give me the money and just have all
his electric bills sent to me.

As it turned out the idiot, who had quit smoking ten years before, went
back on the cigarettes within a few years destroyed his health and had
to sell his property, so he never got even 50% of his investment back.


Because he also had a drinking problem he joined AA
and from what I saw of the organization those in it who can no longer
drink, simply doubled their tobacco intake.

Never saw such a bunch of sorry losers, but I guess for a few people it
does some good.

On 03/02/2017 04:35 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:27:59 -0500, wrote in



For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

+1




My feeling is that the ad claiming the price to be equal or less than a
traditional roof made that claim on projected energy savings...
so I may not even bother to think about such a roof.


At any rate, I do not want to be one of the first to buy a product.

On 3/1/2017 10:55 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:27:59 -0500, wrote:

I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

We had neighbors putting solar panels on the roofs by a "high pressure
salesman". Here in the desert. I said no. Turns out at the time they
may have paid more for energy than us doing simple things in the
house. Those folks did not get a benefit due to current laws. In
fact, they were paying more. It is still being worked out with the
legislature, the utility and such. The laws didn't match the benefits
as I understand it at the time.


I bet the company putting the panels in did not lose a penny though.
Most are leasing arrangements and the installer gets the tax credits.

On 3/1/17 8:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.
Being in a hail and wind area, I would probably check in with my
insurance company as to what their payment stance is. Even if it is the
same, doesn't mean the insurance company will automatically pay to
replace. Especially if the solar part is damage but the shingle
integrity remains intact.

On 03/02/2017 08:31 AM, Kurt V. Ullman wrote:
On 3/1/17 8:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.
Being in a hail and wind area, I would probably check in with my
insurance company as to what their payment stance is. Even if it is the
same, doesn't mean the insurance company will automatically pay to
replace. Especially if the solar part is damage but the shingle
integrity remains intact.



Yes, I think too many things to deal with.

The roof I now have did not give me a headache.

In 30 years the only thing it needed was re-sealing around the chimney
a few years after the chimney itself was replaced.


At one time a huge tree branch fell on it and did no damage, I'd sure it
would have destroyed solar panels.

On 03/01/2017 6:42 PM, philo wrote:
....

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.
....

Well, you'd think the place for more info would be Tesla but their site
is remarkably devoid of anything at all informative.

As others have said, since they're not talking of even beginning
production until mid-year, it clearly hasn't had any more than whatever
testing they've done so reliability and all in the real world would be
still yet to be seen.

In a benign climate, "maybe"; in midwest subject to the kind of weather
(read hail) that is pretty common it would seem likely that the increase
in insurance premiums that would be bound to come with replacement
coverage would eat up a sizable fraction of the payback from the energy
savings as, as another noted, the equivalent price is based on the
assumed reduction in conventional energy costs.

OTOH, it is an interesting concept and does at least in the pictures
look pretty good as far as just appearance. How it holds up and all and
what could be the expected lifetime is the kicker, of course. _IF_ (the
proverbial big if) it could keep up during a heavy snow to prevent
buildup that'd be a trick indeed; once it got covered up, however, you'd
guess the effectiveness would be essentially no better than a
conventional roof so unless were able to "bank" some heat under the roof
I'm guessing that would only really work for light snow accumulation
rates/amounts.

Would, I agree, be something to keep an eye on going forward, if the
implementation really does live up to the concept over time it might
_eventually_ have a major impact for upper-scale/energy-conscious housing.

--

On 03/02/2017 09:32 AM, dpb wrote:
On 03/01/2017 6:42 PM, philo wrote:
...

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.
...

Well, you'd think the place for more info would be Tesla but their site
is remarkably devoid of anything at all informative.

As others have said, since they're not talking of even beginning
production until mid-year, it clearly hasn't had any more than whatever
testing they've done so reliability and all in the real world would be
still yet to be seen.

In a benign climate, "maybe"; in midwest subject to the kind of weather
(read hail) that is pretty common it would seem likely that the increase
in insurance premiums that would be bound to come with replacement
coverage would eat up a sizable fraction of the payback from the energy
savings as, as another noted, the equivalent price is based on the
assumed reduction in conventional energy costs.

OTOH, it is an interesting concept and does at least in the pictures
look pretty good as far as just appearance. How it holds up and all and
what could be the expected lifetime is the kicker, of course. _IF_ (the
proverbial big if) it could keep up during a heavy snow to prevent
buildup that'd be a trick indeed; once it got covered up, however, you'd
guess the effectiveness would be essentially no better than a
conventional roof so unless were able to "bank" some heat under the roof
I'm guessing that would only really work for light snow accumulation
rates/amounts.

Would, I agree, be something to keep an eye on going forward, if the
implementation really does live up to the concept over time it might
_eventually_ have a major impact for upper-scale/energy-conscious housing.

--



Thanks to all here for the input.

BTW: Here is my buddy's website he is no longer in business but it has
some interesting things


http://www.tdlelectronics.com/

On 3/1/2017 8:34 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/01/2017 07:27 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:00:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar



snip

For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.



Hmmm , that may very well be the case, I sure can't see solar cells
costing less than an asphalt roof


At their site they include savings in electricity costs to equal out the
purchase and installation cost. This probably includes tax rebates and
20 year pay out.

At my age I do not expect to be around in 20 years and as a home owner
know that very few things function for 20 years without needing costly
upkeep or repair.

On 03/02/2017 11:30 AM, Frank wrote:


snip

For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.



Hmmm , that may very well be the case, I sure can't see solar cells
costing less than an asphalt roof


At their site they include savings in electricity costs to equal out the
purchase and installation cost. This probably includes tax rebates and
20 year pay out.

At my age I do not expect to be around in 20 years and as a home owner
know that very few things function for 20 years without needing costly
upkeep or repair.



This might make a lot of sense in places such as Arizona where there is
a lot of sunlight and the A/C is used continuously all summer long.

Here in Wisconsin there would be less light and my electric costs are
very low. I may run a window A/C ten days a year.

Some years more but others, not even needed

On 3/2/2017 12:24 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/02/2017 09:32 AM, dpb wrote:
On 03/01/2017 6:42 PM, philo wrote:
...

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.
...

Well, you'd think the place for more info would be Tesla but their site
is remarkably devoid of anything at all informative.

As others have said, since they're not talking of even beginning
production until mid-year, it clearly hasn't had any more than whatever
testing they've done so reliability and all in the real world would be
still yet to be seen.

In a benign climate, "maybe"; in midwest subject to the kind of weather
(read hail) that is pretty common it would seem likely that the increase
in insurance premiums that would be bound to come with replacement
coverage would eat up a sizable fraction of the payback from the energy
savings as, as another noted, the equivalent price is based on the
assumed reduction in conventional energy costs.

OTOH, it is an interesting concept and does at least in the pictures
look pretty good as far as just appearance. How it holds up and all and
what could be the expected lifetime is the kicker, of course. _IF_ (the
proverbial big if) it could keep up during a heavy snow to prevent
buildup that'd be a trick indeed; once it got covered up, however, you'd
guess the effectiveness would be essentially no better than a
conventional roof so unless were able to "bank" some heat under the roof
I'm guessing that would only really work for light snow accumulation
rates/amounts.

Would, I agree, be something to keep an eye on going forward, if the
implementation really does live up to the concept over time it might
_eventually_ have a major impact for upper-scale/energy-conscious
housing.

--



Thanks to all here for the input.

BTW: Here is my buddy's website he is no longer in business but it has
some interesting things


http://www.tdlelectronics.com/

Have not seen new postings on this project:

http://www.theitalianpalace.com/

Besides solar panels he has geothermal HVAC. Whole place is computerized.

On 03/02/2017 11:49 AM, Frank wrote:


BTW: Here is my buddy's website he is no longer in business but it has
some interesting things


http://www.tdlelectronics.com/

Have not seen new postings on this project:

http://www.theitalianpalace.com/

Besides solar panels he has geothermal HVAC. Whole place is computerized.



Yeah that one is five years old.

Anyway I think Arizona is a great place for solar power

#CALIFORNIA #SOLAR POWER IS A SCAM BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!!!
I had 4 quotes on installment of solar power as for me I am not happy with
anyone of them. They are all similar. In regard to tax credit that sound
great but if you are on SSI there no benefits, as I understand credit or
rebates would be only applied to ward IRS Payments, meaning that it is only
for those people that are working and owed IRS money, however the people on
SSI that dont owed IRS any money, rebates/credit becomes useless unless;
unless that credit can be use and applied to ward their homes property tax
which not available. More swindling, all Solar companies are basing their
rates at PG&E will be and continued raise their rates 6% per year, and on my
figures that is defiantly wrong. My finding for the past 9 years PG&E in
California has raise the rate in Tear2 less then 2% per year, and if you
look at last 4 years €œsurprise€� not even €œ.5%€� but in mean time Solar Co.
want raise and charge you and me; consumer 2.9% raise €œper year€�. Yes
everybody must make living, but this in my opinion is rip-offs, more then
triple+ their investment in 20 years €œon you€�. They will show you how much
are you saving but that is illogical and disbelief numbers, because they are
assuming that PE&G will be raising their rates at 6% as I said before per
year which is inaccurate. If that was to happen our country will be in
depression as year of 1939. Yes I have install Solar with $2000.oo down in
order to get fix price at 0.19 per kilowatt? Fact is regardless what PG&E
rates are, the Sun rays do not have different rates, so why Solar Companies
want to raise your rates yearly, it is simple Scamming of people and our
Government is backing it because they are the part of the €œSCAM€�! There is
lot swindling, I am showing here for example PG&E, if you have Solar, PG&E
charges are base on one time yearly consumption, which that Calculation will
put you in Tear #4 the highest rate possible, at present time $0.36/Kwh.
instead of calculating on monthly bases that would put you in bracket of
Tear#1 and $0.18/Kwh. Note: This is not presented to you, the installation
Companies do not explain this that PG&E will base their charges on
accumulative yearly consumption. Now dont forget unless you purchase fully
solar system you will still be paying Solar for power used $0.21 per
kilowatt. Example: If you have Solar you will be charge by PG&E $4.xx per
month for paper work, which are to be raised to $10.00/Month. On the end of
year they calculate how much did you use €˜over the solar. Because Solar
fluctuate with the Sun some months are more some less. You will be using
PG&E at the times when there is no Sun. The problem here is that PG&E do not
calculate on monthly bases here but on yearly, 12 months of use is added and
you are charge for max rate because when 12 months are added into one
accumulative sum that will most likely put you in Tear#4 or $0.36/Kwh.
Instead if this was calculated per month you would be below Tear#1. So: at
the end of the year you savings are next to nothing, in mean time Solar
financial group will be tripling+ their profit on your sweat and labor. You
see Ladies and Gentleman Credits/Rebates are design for the rich and
Legislators which they owe at any giving time to the Uncle Sam Thousands of
dollars so that can benefit and people on Social Security, Veterans and
Disable get rusted shaft in rear. HELLO!!! As I said California Government
and Federal is big SCAM.
DIGESTED IF YOU CAN! I CAN NOT€�
A. #Seput

On 03/02/2017 12:36 PM, Tony944 wrote:
#CALIFORNIA #SOLAR POWER IS A SCAM BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!!!
I had 4 quotes on installment of solar power as for me I am not happy
with anyone of them. They are all similar. In regard to tax credit that
sound great but if you are on SSI there no benefits, as I understand
credit or rebates would be only applied to ward IRS Payments, meaning
that it is only for those people that are working and owed IRS money,
however the people on SSI that dont owed IRS any money, rebates/credit
becomes useless unless; unless that credit can be use and applied to
ward their homes property tax which not available. More swindling, all
Solar companies are basing their rates at PG&E will be and continued
raise their rates 6% per year, and on my figures that is defiantly
wrong. My finding for the past 9 years PG&E in California has raise the
rate in Tear2 less then 2% per year, and if you look at last 4 years
€œsurprise€� not even €œ.5%€� but in mean time Solar Co. want raise and
charge you and me; consumer 2.9% raise €œper year€�. Yes everybody must
make living, but this in my opinion is rip-offs, more then triple+ their
investment in 20 years €œon you€�. They will show you how much are you
saving but that is illogical and disbelief numbers, because they are
assuming that PE&G will be raising their rates at 6% as I said before
per year which is inaccurate. If that was to happen our country will be
in depression as year of 1939. Yes I have install Solar with $2000.oo



snip


That settles it, asphalt roof here

On 3/2/2017 1:14 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/02/2017 11:49 AM, Frank wrote:


BTW: Here is my buddy's website he is no longer in business but it has
some interesting things


http://www.tdlelectronics.com/

Have not seen new postings on this project:

http://www.theitalianpalace.com/

Besides solar panels he has geothermal HVAC. Whole place is
computerized.



Yeah that one is five years old.

Anyway I think Arizona is a great place for solar power

I'll have to speak to them in a few months. House is here in northern
Delaware a couple of miles away next to the swim club we have belonged
to for years. I don't think Don got into it for the cost savings but
because of his interest in computer technology. His father who is still
there was a stone mason who built the house as a ranch house there as
his wife liked being near the pool. She passed and Don as only son
moved in with his wife and three kids and added a 2nd story for his
family so place has quite a history.

On 03/02/2017 12:53 PM, philo wrote:
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... but if you are on SSI there no benefits, as I understand
credit or rebates would be only applied to ward IRS Payments, meaning
that it is only for those people that are working and owed IRS money,
however the people on SSI that dont owed IRS any money, rebates/credit
becomes useless unless; ...

Well, there are many on SSI who still have tax liability from investment
or other income; even SSI itself is taxable above a level so that is
certainly a gross over-generalization. Every taxpayer would have to
assess their own circumstances.

It is true it is a "non-refundable credit"; that is, the taxpayer can
reduce their tax liability to zero with the application of the credit
but not below zero. Unused credits from one tax year can, however, be
carried over to the subsequent year (and I presume beyond that as well
but didn't actually go research the Code itself on that particular point).

That settles it, asphalt roof here

I'd not let that be the deciding factor much altho if were applicable,
30% off is 30% off. (Again, of course, presuming one does have a
tax liability normally.)

I would note that unless Congress acts, the Energy Federal Tax Credits
for everything other than solar systems (solar how water and
photovoltaic systems) expired at end of 2016. Present legislation
credits are available at 30% through December 31, 2019, at which time
the credit decreases to 26% for tax year 2020; drops to 22% for tax year
2021 then expires December 31, 2021.

So, you still have a while to decide before the option were to go away
entirely unless the new administration were to decide to rescind the
present rules or accelerate the phaseout but it would require new
legislation to do so and I've heard nobody pushing for that...there're
more pressing areas like repeal of WOTUS and the ACA to get bogged down
in trivia such as this.

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On 03/02/2017 11:49 AM, Frank wrote:
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Besides solar panels he has geothermal HVAC. Whole place is computerized.

Never gone w/ the solar route but the geothermal heatpump in TN was
"simply wunnerul!". Compared to the prior air-exchange unit cut power
consumption by 2/3rds, easily, plus ho****er off the A/C waste heat when
it was running...

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:00:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/1/2017 7:42 PM, philo wrote:
I've decided that I'm going to get my roof replaced next year.
Will require full tear-off

It's not leaking but it's 30 years old and I had to go with a
sub-standard home insurance policy until I get the roof replaced.

Though the increased price of the insurance is negligible, I realize
it's time to do it.

Recently I saw an ad where Tesla is supposed to soon be coming out with
such a roof and though I am not terribly concerned with generating my
own power, according the their ad they said the price would be equal or
less than the price of a standard roof.

https://www.tesla.com/solar

In addition to that I actually like the way it looks and it has a
feature to turn some of the energy into heat and thus keep snow off the
roof.

For sure I'm going to look into this but am wondering if anyone here has
more info.

thanks


That look very nice. Regular solar panels are ugley and can be a PITA
when the time comes for a new roof. I'd certainly consider that
setup..If is is the same price as a regular roof it seems foolish not to
do it.


For their cost comparison - they are taking-into-account the
" estimated " exagerated ? energy savings over the
"estimated life " exagerated ? of the roof .
.. so perhaps over 25 years - you come out ahead ?
I would tend to let a few neighbours be the bleeding-edge guinea pigs
on such a purchase ..
John T.

The only solar installations I have seen got significant gov't assistance;
meaning our tax dollars. I grumble when I see them... I think it's another
failed XXXXX idea. Think Solyindra. I don't know how Tesla could make things
cheap-his cars are not-but hey he's well known and will get the support. The
end result won't be known for a long time.

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Tekkie