Today I tried to hook up a Rocket M2 as a super powerful (miles) Wi-Fi
extension for my home router, when the POE light went out whenever I
plugged in the power cable. Huh?

Turns out it's a crossover cable, mixed up with the bunch of my other spare
Ethernet cables.

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

On 2017-02-25 7:32 PM, Jonas Schneider wrote:
Today I tried to hook up a Rocket M2 as a super powerful (miles) Wi-Fi
extension for my home router, when the POE light went out whenever I
plugged in the power cable. Huh?

Turns out it's a crossover cable, mixed up with the bunch of my other spare
Ethernet cables.

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

Most devices do not need cross over cables anymore, but there may still
be the odd one floating around out there.

--
Froz....

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:45:57 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2017-02-25 7:32 PM, Jonas Schneider wrote:
Today I tried to hook up a Rocket M2 as a super powerful (miles) Wi-Fi
extension for my home router, when the POE light went out whenever I
plugged in the power cable. Huh?

Turns out it's a crossover cable, mixed up with the bunch of my other spare
Ethernet cables.

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

Most devices do not need cross over cables anymore, but there may still
be the odd one floating around out there.

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:59:52 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:45:57 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:


Most devices do not need cross over cables anymore, but there may still
be the odd one floating around out there.

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:59:52 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:45:57 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:


Most devices do not need cross over cables anymore, but there may still
be the odd one floating around out there.

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.
And there are crossover cables that are NOT yellow, yoo

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.

I have a bag of crossover cables.
They're any color they want to be.

I used to use them for.... I forget.
I think I used to use them either for computer to computer file transfer
before USB existed, or, maybe when I was connecting a WiFi transceiver to
my laptop RJ45 port.

I don't actually remember why we used these cables long ago.
Do you?

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:43:24 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.

I have a bag of crossover cables.
They're any color they want to be.

I used to use them for.... I forget.
I think I used to use them either for computer to computer file transfer
before USB existed, or, maybe when I was connecting a WiFi transceiver to
my laptop RJ45 port.

I don't actually remember why we used these cables long ago.
Do you?

Some old hubs and routers wanted a crossover on the input port and you
could use them to connect a couple of machines without using a hub.
Most are yellow but there is no reason they have to be.
If you do buy a crimper, don't cheap out. The $10 ones suck. A good
one is $60-100 depending on where you buy it but it has dies for 4, 6
and 8 wire connectors. There are also 2 kinds of connector, one for
stranded wire and one for solid.

On 2/25/17 10:43 PM, Jonas Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:



I don't actually remember why we used these cables long ago.
Do you?


In the early days of computer data communication, equipment was
divided in to 2 groups. Terminals aka DTEs ( Teletypes, ASCII CRTs,
PCs, etc) and Communications DCEs (modems, multiplexers, routers, etc).

Cables connecting a DCE to a DTE were wired straight-thru, (in RS-232;
2-2 for TxD, 3-3 for RxD, etc) (in early Ethernet 10Base-T, it was
similar )

So what happened when the need arose to connect a DCE to a DCE ?, or a
DTE to a DTE ? You used a crossover cable. (2-3, 3-2 etc)

Later on, Ethernet ports became auto-sensing, and the need has all but
disappeared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethern...d_pair#Cabling
explains it better.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:43:24 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.

I have a bag of crossover cables.
They're any color they want to be.

I used to use them for.... I forget.
I think I used to use them either for computer to computer file transfer
before USB existed, or, maybe when I was connecting a WiFi transceiver to
my laptop RJ45 port.

I don't actually remember why we used these cables long ago.
Do you?
I believe it was used to connect any 2 "active devices" or any two
"passive devices" before autonegotiating (Auto MDI-X) switches became
common.
So, computer to modem was a crossed cable. Computer to computer was a
crossed cable, and switch to switch was a crossed cable. Only used
straight through fom computer to switch or switch to router or router
to computer With an Auto MDI-X switch it doesn't really care if you
use a straight or crossed cable between the PC and the switcg, or
modem and PC.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:43:24 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:17:16 -0500, wrote:

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.

I have a bag of crossover cables.
They're any color they want to be.

I used to use them for.... I forget.
I think I used to use them either for computer to computer file transfer
before USB existed, or, maybe when I was connecting a WiFi transceiver to
my laptop RJ45 port.

I don't actually remember why we used these cables long ago.
Do you?
I believe it was used to connect any 2 "active devices" or any two
"passive devices" before autonegotiating (Auto MDI-X) switches became
common.
So, computer to modem was a crossed cable. Computer to computer was a
crossed cable, and switch to switch was a crossed cable. Only used
straight through fom computer to switch or switch to router or router
to computer With an Auto MDI-X switch it doesn't really care if you
use a straight or crossed cable between the PC and the switcg, or
modem and PC.

On 02/25/2017 08:17 PM, wrote:

[snip]

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.


I have some yellow cables - all straight through.

The crossover cable I have is beige (dirty white) with a paper tag at
one end. I haven't used it in years.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Of the delights of this world, man cares most for sexual intercourse,
yet he has left it out of his heaven" [Mark Twain]

On 02/25/2017 08:17 PM, wrote:

[snip]

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

There are plenty of straight through yellow cables. I screen them with
my tester.


I have some yellow cables - all straight through.

The crossover cable I have is beige (dirty white) with a paper tag at
one end. I haven't used it in years.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Of the delights of this world, man cares most for sexual intercourse,
yet he has left it out of his heaven" [Mark Twain]

Oren
Sun, 26 Feb 2017
01:59:52 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 19:45:57 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2017-02-25 7:32 PM, Jonas Schneider wrote:
Today I tried to hook up a Rocket M2 as a super powerful (miles)
Wi-Fi extension for my home router, when the POE light went out
whenever I plugged in the power cable. Huh?

Turns out it's a crossover cable, mixed up with the bunch of my
other spare Ethernet cables.

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

Most devices do not need cross over cables anymore, but there may
still be the odd one floating around out there.

Aren't crossover cables "yellow"? Why use one unless required?

I wasn't aware they were color coded to differentiate. :P

A crossover/standard cable could be any color. You can tell if it's
crossover or 'normal' by placing the ends together and looking at them.
If it's crossover, the wiring won't match up for both ends. If it's
straight thru (normal), it will.


--
Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is
illegal.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 00:32:51 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote:

Today I tried to hook up a Rocket M2 as a super powerful (miles) Wi-Fi
extension for my home router, when the POE light went out whenever I
plugged in the power cable. Huh?

Turns out it's a crossover cable, mixed up with the bunch of my other spare
Ethernet cables.

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

I found myself with a box of them and I just cut the "crossed" plug
off and crimped a straight one back on. Be sure you swap that with one
on a live 1gb connection and run it for a while, wiggle it around and
shake it to be sure the connection is good. Nothing is worse that
stocking a bad cable.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:46:57 -0500, wrote:

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?
Or did they go the way of 8-track players?

I found myself with a box of them and I just cut the "crossed" plug
off and crimped a straight one back on. Be sure you swap that with one
on a live 1gb connection and run it for a while, wiggle it around and
shake it to be sure the connection is good. Nothing is worse that
stocking a bad cable.

I have at least a half dozen of them and I keep using them by mistake since
they don't look any different unless you put their ends side by side and
check color patterns.

Your idea of cutting off one end and just wiring on a straight color match
would make sense. I need to buy a crimper to do that first.

Why did we use these cables anyway?
I seem to remember computer to computer or computer to wifi transceiver???

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:43:18 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote:

I have at least a half dozen of them and I keep using them by mistake since
they don't look any different unless you put their ends side by side and
check color patterns.

I just put a piece of tape over the crossovers to mark them.

Your idea of cutting off one end and just wiring on a straight color match
would make sense. I need to buy a crimper to do that first.

I used to crimp most of my cables, but unless you don't have
wireless, it's pointless having more than half a dozen. A good pair of
crimping pliers was a good investment way back when, not anymore.

Why did we use these cables anyway?
I seem to remember computer to computer or computer to wifi transceiver???

I used them for computer-to-computer gaming (Diablo 1). That
was back in the day when hubs were expensive and wifi was very
unusual.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Jonas Schneider wrote:

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?

Technically only* gigabit devices are required to support auto MDI/MDI-X
switching, but in practice most 10/100 devices have also supported it
for many years.
[*] not sure about 10Gbe and faster, I've only used it over fibre, and
with a switch between devices, but I would expect it to be auto over
copper too.

On 2/26/2017 12:12 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Jonas Schneider wrote:

Do we even need crossover cables anymore?

Technically only* gigabit devices are required to support auto MDI/MDI-X
switching, but in practice most 10/100 devices have also supported it
for many years.

[*] not sure about 10Gbe and faster, I've only used it over fibre, and
with a switch between devices, but I would expect it to be auto over
copper too.

You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.

In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:16 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
With spares, if it has NOT been needed in over 5 years is the time
to KEEP it, not throw it, unless the machine the spare is for is no
longer in use.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:16 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
With spares, if it has NOT been needed in over 5 years is the time
to KEEP it, not throw it, unless the machine the spare is for is no
longer in use.

On 27/02/2017 02:21, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.

On 27/02/2017 02:21, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.

In article ,
says...

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.

I hated it when they went to the small tire. If you are very far away
from home you either have to poke along or find a place that is open to
fix or replace the flat tire.

Some cases not too big of a deal unless it is at night or maybe a
weekend. If like the tires I bought I have a guarntee with them, but
have to go to the chain store I bought them from. There may not be one
for many miles and if out of town hard to find one.

I did see a small car driving around town and I am sure they had 4 of
the 'small spaires' on it.

In article ,
says...

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.

I hated it when they went to the small tire. If you are very far away
from home you either have to poke along or find a place that is open to
fix or replace the flat tire.

Some cases not too big of a deal unless it is at night or maybe a
weekend. If like the tires I bought I have a guarntee with them, but
have to go to the chain store I bought them from. There may not be one
for many miles and if out of town hard to find one.

I did see a small car driving around town and I am sure they had 4 of
the 'small spaires' on it.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:45 +1100, Chris Jones
wrote:

On 27/02/2017 02:21, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.



It won't fix a cracked valve stem either -

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:45 +1100, Chris Jones
wrote:

On 27/02/2017 02:21, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.
Yes. I had to buy a real spare wheel for my car because it didn't come
with one. I take it with me on long journeys and have needed it several
times. Around town, I leave the wheel at home because a friend can bring
it to me if required. It is a nuisance that there is no storage space
for the wheel other than the luggage space. There seems to be a well for
a "space saver" wheel, that they used for storing the bottle of goop and
air compressor, but I bought a real full-size wheel so that won't fit.

I've read that the goop that they supply instead of a spare wheel will
ruin the tyre every time, and that seemed an unacceptable waste to me.
Also as you point out, the goop won't fix a really big hole.



It won't fix a cracked valve stem either -

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:16 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.

I've advised friends to carry an inner tube and various tools of the
tire trade if they don't have a real spare tire.
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-5001-Auto-Inner-Tube/dp/B000ET8CZM

When I was doing service calls in the middle of nowhere, I rescued
various 4-wheelers from a long walk by installing an inner tube, and
inflating it with a battery operated compressor.

The key tool is a bead breaker. I used two crow bars, which required
2 people to work effectively. This would probably have been better:
https://www.eppys.com/37--Classic-Style-Tubeless-Tire-Iron
or one of these:
https://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/bead-breaking-tire-hammers-s/1144.htm

I also carried, baby powder, air compressor, valves, valve tools,
valve covers, double ended tire hose, patches, extra rubber cement,
plug kit, etc. If you've replaced the inner tube on a bicycle or
motorcycle, without removing the tire from the rim, you know how it's
done on an automobile tire. Incidentally, the small battery operated
tire inflator compressors take only a little less than forever to
inflate a tire.

Oddly, I've only used the plug kit on my various vehicles after
driving over a nail or screw. However, the other stuff is useful for
fixing other people's tires. My palatial office is close to where a
major highway dumps into town. I'm forever plagued by visitors
dropping in after the eventing commute with variations on a tire
puncture. They would then ask to "borrow" the tire kit, which usually
means me doing the work and dragging the shop air compressor into the
parking lot. Fortunately, such irritations have ceased in the last
few years, when I've made it a point of going home at a more
reasonable hour.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:21:16 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.

I've advised friends to carry an inner tube and various tools of the
tire trade if they don't have a real spare tire.
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-5001-Auto-Inner-Tube/dp/B000ET8CZM

When I was doing service calls in the middle of nowhere, I rescued
various 4-wheelers from a long walk by installing an inner tube, and
inflating it with a battery operated compressor.

The key tool is a bead breaker. I used two crow bars, which required
2 people to work effectively. This would probably have been better:
https://www.eppys.com/37--Classic-Style-Tubeless-Tire-Iron
or one of these:
https://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/bead-breaking-tire-hammers-s/1144.htm

I also carried, baby powder, air compressor, valves, valve tools,
valve covers, double ended tire hose, patches, extra rubber cement,
plug kit, etc. If you've replaced the inner tube on a bicycle or
motorcycle, without removing the tire from the rim, you know how it's
done on an automobile tire. Incidentally, the small battery operated
tire inflator compressors take only a little less than forever to
inflate a tire.

Oddly, I've only used the plug kit on my various vehicles after
driving over a nail or screw. However, the other stuff is useful for
fixing other people's tires. My palatial office is close to where a
major highway dumps into town. I'm forever plagued by visitors
dropping in after the eventing commute with variations on a tire
puncture. They would then ask to "borrow" the tire kit, which usually
means me doing the work and dragging the shop air compressor into the
parking lot. Fortunately, such irritations have ceased in the last
few years, when I've made it a point of going home at a more
reasonable hour.


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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-6, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.


Do you remember the stowaway spare tires that had a CO2 cylinder with the jack and lug wrench. You would screw the CO2 cylinder on to the valve stem and the spare inflated like a balloon from a compact size. I imagine the paint ball enthusiasts have snapped them up. My 95 Jeep has a skinny high pressure spare.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-92-Cama...-/132105618696

http://tinyurl.com/jdot7vs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/82-92-Camaro...M/272547357386

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On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-6, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.


Do you remember the stowaway spare tires that had a CO2 cylinder with the jack and lug wrench. You would screw the CO2 cylinder on to the valve stem and the spare inflated like a balloon from a compact size. I imagine the paint ball enthusiasts have snapped them up. My 95 Jeep has a skinny high pressure spare.
ヽ(ヅ)ノ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-GM-S...-/262839426727

http://tinyurl.com/jhlac8x

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-92-Cama...-/132105618696

http://tinyurl.com/jdot7vs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/82-92-Camaro...M/272547357386

http://tinyurl.com/jagf32m

[8~{} Uncle Trunk Monster

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 17:27:42 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-6, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.


Do you remember the stowaway spare tires that had a CO2 cylinder with the jack and lug wrench. You would screw the CO2 cylinder on to the valve stem and the spare inflated like a balloon from a compact size. I imagine the paint ball enthusiasts have snapped them up. My 95 Jeep has a skinny high pressure spare.

The trick was getting them refilled and by now they are all out of
test anyway. It was a lot to go through for about a half pound of CO2

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 17:27:42 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:21:17 AM UTC-6, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...



You're never gonna need one...until about a week after you
dispose of it.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.


That is the way it is for everything. I worked at a plant that was
built about 1965. At that time there was a spare part that looked like
a big auger. It was about 10 feet long and a foot in diameter. It laid
around in the way up to about 2005. We got a new plant manager that had
us get rid of all things we had not had to replace in the last 5 years.
Out went the auger. Wouldn't you know it , a month later it was needed
to replace a bad one. Same as with another piece of equipment . I
forgot what it was, something like a 20 HP motor and gear box. It was
sold as scrap. Before it left the plant site it was needed and we had
to buy it back for a lot more than it was sold for.

I have not seen it, but heard that some new cars do not even have a
spare tire now,but come with a can of Fix a Flat. Might be fine for a
nail hole, but if there is a large cut in the tire,itwill be useless.


Do you remember the stowaway spare tires that had a CO2 cylinder with the jack and lug wrench. You would screw the CO2 cylinder on to the valve stem and the spare inflated like a balloon from a compact size. I imagine the paint ball enthusiasts have snapped them up. My 95 Jeep has a skinny high pressure spare.

The trick was getting them refilled and by now they are all out of
test anyway. It was a lot to go through for about a half pound of CO2