I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.

A LOAD calculation is first in writing or they should walk

King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.




try alt.home.repair

--
Yard and Garden Handyman

King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Don't start by looking at the unit. Start by looking at the contractor.

A good contractor will not sell you junk equipment.

The best equipment not installed properly will never work properly.

Get and check references from any contractor. Make sure they do a
formal load calculation and check not only for the total cooling required,
but also the ductwork required. Make sure they have workman's comp paid
current.

Let them pick the brand of equipment that they know is good and familiar
working with.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

What is a load calculation??

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
A LOAD calculation is first in writing or they should walk

I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

King wrote:
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..

King wrote:

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?





One site, for example.

http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/topcac.htm

--
Yard and Garden Handyman

"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
What is a load calculation??

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
A LOAD calculation is first in writing or they should walk




A load calc, or a Manual J, or T, or N, depending on the situation, is what
is needed.
Measurements of each room, door, window and wall is taken. Insulation
values, and window types are noted.
The calculation is computed, and it tells the contractor what total BTU
rating is needed for heat, and cooling. The calculation will also tell them
how many BTUs are needed for each room, and thus, then the duct calculation
can be completed.

Calculates how much heating or cooling power you need for
your home. Measure the walls, windows, etc. and plug the
data into a formula.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
What is a load calculation??

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
A LOAD calculation is first in writing or they
should walk

How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

Chris, any day of the year, the offer stands.

Come on down, and let me tell you what I think of you, and we film the
entire thing, as you and I install two units...

I bet you any ****ing amount of money, you will lose out and wont have the
linesets in place correctly, buy the time we have the superheat
correct...and the blower door test passed.

Get it?

You are not in the trade, you dont have a clue what it takes for a good
install.


--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

"King" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.
King, Whenever I antisipate spending a chuck of money, I usually consult
"Consumer Reports". Their product reviews point out what to look for as
well as what is recommended.

Larry

Someone named "King" Proclaimed on Thu,
20 May 2004 01:01:29 GMT,

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.


I reposted your question to alt.hvac for you. Those guys are the
best!


Love,

Robert L. Bass

He won't see this. He's got the real HVAC people killfiled, remember?


"*CBHVAC*" wrote in
message ...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

Chris, any day of the year, the offer stands.

Come on down, and let me tell you what I think of you, and we film the
entire thing, as you and I install two units...

I bet you any ****ing amount of money, you will lose out and wont have the
linesets in place correctly, buy the time we have the superheat
correct...and the blower door test passed.

Get it?

You are not in the trade, you dont have a clue what it takes for a good
install.


--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

Stormin who gives a **** if a tech is "Polite or uses crude language"
cons HAVE to be polite or nobody would listen. The last guy that
conned me was nice as could be and preached and preached, and preached.
With every tough question he preached till I got smart and threw his
lian ass out.

Refrences, thats all you need , lots of refrences. And a few bids.

If King could get CB he would be lucky cause CB will get it done right
the first time.

In article ,
Robert L. Bass wrote:

Someone named "King" Proclaimed on Thu,
20 May 2004 01:01:29 GMT,

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.


I reposted your question to alt.hvac/r for you. Those guys are the
best!

Wrong group.
It's alt.home.repair you want

Crude language?
Maybe if you find that offensive you don't want the guy in your house but if
the F word makes my repairman happy and he does good work he can say it all
day long. I'll even say it with him.
my 2 cents
cj

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

"bill" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Robert L. Bass wrote:

Someone named "King" Proclaimed on Thu,
20 May 2004 01:01:29 GMT,

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting
a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be
looking
for in a unit.


I reposted your question to alt.hvac/r for you. Those guys are the
best!

Wrong group.
It's alt.home.repair you want

Yo.

The ac needs to be put in a place in the garden.

Or is yours in your front yard?

Death to the christian jew cop government.

"CJ" wrote in message ...
Crude language?
Maybe if you find that offensive you don't want the guy in your house but
if
the F word makes my repairman happy and he does good work he can say it
all
day long. I'll even say it with him.
my 2 cents
cj


Stormin is on a crusade. Hes got a child molesting pedophile that also
claims to be a tech with him on this one. They are out to bring back
morality to the trade.
Problem is, Stormy isnt IN the trade. Hes a locksmith giving advice out
about mechanical equipment.
By his own admission, hes put parts on customers units that are not needed,
because he happened to have something he cant return (hint, legitimate
contractors can always return parts) to his "supplier" and several people in
the NY area claim that he was on a local appliance company sting on one of
the news stations there, and did all he could to actually damage a perfectly
good motor so he could sell one....THEN he preaches morals and crap.

He does not think that being short, and to the point on the internet is a
good thing. He thinks that if he sugar coats things, everyone will be
happy...well, hes got some learning to do. If I offend a customer by telling
them for the 5th time, Look, its broke, ok? No amount of bitching, whining,
griping or asking me another damn time if its broke will fix it.
Well..if the word damn offends, tough. Whats said on Usenet, and whats said
in person, different animals together. Chris just seems to think that no one
has EVER been screwed over by a slick talking, polite, and sugary sweet
salesman...

BTW...here is some good advice from a company owner:

IF you are shopping for a new AC system, or the like, and you get a saleman
that in a round about way says: Here is the deal, you need this, this is
why, here are the specs on the new unit, (manual J, D, etc) and here is the
price. Its 105F out, the guys are swamped, its going to be a couple of days
before we can get here to do it, and if you dont like the price, there are
500 others in the book...call one...you actually stand a better chance in a
large area (smaller rual areas will vary) of getting a complete and accurate
installation..believe it or not.
IF on the other hand, you get a wimpy guy thats agreeing to EVERYTHING you
say, seems to be giving the world to you to get the sale, and just seems
overtly nice....he, or the company he owns, or works for, or whatever is
probably about to go under, and chances are that hes dying for another sale.
Those with work, and enough work to keep going, know that its nice to get
another customer, but we aint gonna cut corners, we are not gonna give you
the world to get the job, and we understand that while you are hot, (or
cold, depending on season) that if you want quality work, you are gonna have
to wait on us, and bottom line, as I have told more than one..if you cant
wait, call some more...your better companies will be busy. Thats a fact.
Your hacks, and shortcut guys will be ready to jump on it right then.
SOMETIMES we get a simple swapout or something and can come back the next
day, but its rare as hell that we can say...ok..you need a complete system,
and by 6pm today you will have it.
If the guys sugary, he needs rinsing off, and he needs to do it someplace
else.



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

Thanks!!!....

"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
...
Someone named "King" Proclaimed on Thu,
20 May 2004 01:01:29 GMT,

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be
looking
for in a unit.


I reposted your question to alt.hvac for you. Those guys are the
best!


Love,

Robert L. Bass

In article
le.rogers.com,
"King" wrote:

Thanks!!!....

wrong group

Sounds like you do what you have to in order to keep your
tradesman content. Must work for you? Do what works....

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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www.mormons.com


"CJ" wrote in message
...
Crude language?
Maybe if you find that offensive you don't want the guy in
your house but if
the F word makes my repairman happy and he does good work he
can say it all
day long. I'll even say it with him.
my 2 cents
cj

"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in message
...
How long in business. Talk to a couple previous customers.
See if the tech is polite, or uses crude language.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"King" wrote in message

. cable.rogers.com...
I did a google and it doesn't tell me what is important to
inquire about
when shopping.

"Travis Jordan" wrote in message
. ..
King wrote:
I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and
I
am getting a
few quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me
what I should
be looking for in a unit.

Google on "Air Conditioning"?

I will take an Honest BSn bunch of happy crap talkin techs any day over
a Polite sweet spamin hack any year. Or its down to file small claims
for me, then the Fun Begins.

Polite is nice , A rip off is lice.

All the experts here say that having a good installer is more important
than which brand you use. I think that might be true because a good
installer will know what the better brands are; on the other hand, if
his company doesn't carry a certain brand that is good, he will be
unlikely to recommend it.

The question then is how do you know who is a good installer? I am not
convinced that references provided by the installer are of much value;
he is unlikely to include any complaining customers in his reference
list. Also, if a neighbor or relative says an installer was good, that
may be of some value, but you have to realize that they dealt with the
installer, in all probability, just once, and haven't dealt with any others.

I think BBB complaint lists are useful, but you should also check out
how many installations have been done. If two installers have,
respectively, 3 and 1 complains on file, the second looks better; but if
the first has done a thousand installations, and the second only 1, its
a different picture.

I think a good indicator is how long the installer has been in business.
A poor installer will not last long, at least under the same name. I
know you may miss a good one who is just starting out, but you will be
gaining experience.

Second, after finding a few that are established, have them come out and
do estimates. Bear in mind that the best talker may be all talk and
little performance, so make a list of just what should be done to
produce the estimate, and select between those who do everything on your
list. A few years ago, before this forum existed, I had my sturdy old
furnace replaced with a high efficiency furnace and whole house air. I
didn't realize that the installer should have toured the house and made
a calculation to determine the proper size. Luckily, the new furnace
and air worked, but next time (especially since I added ducting into my
finished (unfinished to the tax department) attic, I will take the
advice of the experts here and ask to see the calculation.

Another thing I would ask them is where are they going to put the
outside unit. Mine they put in the herb garden, and I would rather have
had it elsewhere.

King wrote:

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be looking
for in a unit.



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Thanks allot!! makes sense!

"William Brown" wrote in message
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All the experts here say that having a good installer is more important
than which brand you use. I think that might be true because a good
installer will know what the better brands are; on the other hand, if
his company doesn't carry a certain brand that is good, he will be
unlikely to recommend it.

The question then is how do you know who is a good installer? I am not
convinced that references provided by the installer are of much value;
he is unlikely to include any complaining customers in his reference
list. Also, if a neighbor or relative says an installer was good, that
may be of some value, but you have to realize that they dealt with the
installer, in all probability, just once, and haven't dealt with any
others.

I think BBB complaint lists are useful, but you should also check out
how many installations have been done. If two installers have,
respectively, 3 and 1 complains on file, the second looks better; but if
the first has done a thousand installations, and the second only 1, its
a different picture.

I think a good indicator is how long the installer has been in business.
A poor installer will not last long, at least under the same name. I
know you may miss a good one who is just starting out, but you will be
gaining experience.

Second, after finding a few that are established, have them come out and
do estimates. Bear in mind that the best talker may be all talk and
little performance, so make a list of just what should be done to
produce the estimate, and select between those who do everything on your
list. A few years ago, before this forum existed, I had my sturdy old
furnace replaced with a high efficiency furnace and whole house air. I
didn't realize that the installer should have toured the house and made
a calculation to determine the proper size. Luckily, the new furnace
and air worked, but next time (especially since I added ducting into my
finished (unfinished to the tax department) attic, I will take the
advice of the experts here and ask to see the calculation.

Another thing I would ask them is where are they going to put the
outside unit. Mine they put in the herb garden, and I would rather have
had it elsewhere.

King wrote:

I am looking into getting airconditiong installed and I am getting a few
quotes but I was wondering if anybody can tell me what I should be
looking
for in a unit.



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