Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a 5v
1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe that
had a 208v 100a plug on it.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:38:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: “Computing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated world’s energy production.”

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors – which power computer circuits – can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably won’t get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

“Driverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe that’s when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans – a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

What’s the best way to make sure a malign computer doesn’t wipe us all out?
Make sure it’s not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a 5v
1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe that
had a 208v 100a plug on it.
Anything from Buford T Justice is totally unadulterated BS. You can
bet on it.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: “Computing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated world’s energy production.”

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors – which power computer circuits – can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably won’t get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

“Driverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe that’s when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans – a moment known as the singularity.

Hell, right now my refrigerator is smarter than half the politicians in D.C.
Rep. Hank Johnson, D- Ga. is already dumber than a box of rocks.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-termites.html

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

What’s the best way to make sure a malign computer doesn’t wipe us all out?
Make sure it’s not plugged in.

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a 5v
1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe that
had a 208v 100a plug on it.

I used to build DC power supplies that used shunt regulators. Now we have switching power supplies that waste a lot less power. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Shunt Monster

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a 5v
1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe that
had a 208v 100a plug on it.

I used to build DC power supplies that used shunt regulators. Now we have switching power supplies that waste a lot less power. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Shunt Monster

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:17:17 -0400
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:38:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing
whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to
keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry
Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy
society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the
energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds
energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss
how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer
circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any
tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and
faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make
computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless
other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the
Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because
some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become
as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because
our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us
all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a
5v 1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe
that had a 208v 100a plug on it.
Anything from Buford T Justice is totally unadulterated BS. You can
bet on it.

Aww you poor thing, would it help you if we
did more pictures, perhaps just lines you could color?

Responding to an article by Burfurd****head, writes:




I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.

Did you read the industry report instead of the idiots spam post?

Read it, then comment.


http://www.semiconductors.org/main/2... uctors_itrs/

Ollie writes:
On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Three words: Do the Math:

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...-scale-energy/

burfordTjustice brought next idea :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

Yes, and they always have been.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:11:20 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Ollie writes:
On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Three words: Do the Math:

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...-scale-energy/

The bottom line of all of this, energy, global warming, water shortage
and just about every other projected calamity, is population.
There are just too damned many people on the planet and they all want
a home with inside plumbing, electricity, heat and a car parked in the
driveway.
One data point to ponder, global CO2 concentration tracks population
as closely as any other metric for the last 8000 years. Farming is as
big a contributor as SUVs.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:22:56 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

burfordTjustice brought next idea :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

Yes, and they always have been.

Go to bed early huh?

writes:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:22:56 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

burfordTjustice brought next idea :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

Yes, and they always have been.

Go to bed early huh?

Electricity can be stored via several mechanisms such as
batteries, flywheels or pumped storage to cover times when direct solar
is insufficient. But I'm sure you're aware of that, so why
the snarky reply?

It was not unusual 60 years ago for one to rise with the
sun and set with the sun (perhaps augmented by candles
or oil lamps).

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:53:44 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:22:56 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

burfordTjustice brought next idea :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

Yes, and they always have been.

Go to bed early huh?

Electricity can be stored via several mechanisms such as
batteries, flywheels or pumped storage to cover times when direct solar
is insufficient. But I'm sure you're aware of that, so why
the snarky reply?

I know there are a number of schemes but they are not really
practical.
Solar starts at around 15% efficiency and mechanical storage cuts that
by at least half making the collector price very un attractive.
Batteries are very expensive with a relatively short life.
The only viable option these days is "grid storage" that still depends
on the utility and only works because you are being subsidized by your
neighbors. It is basically welfare for the rich.

It was not unusual 60 years ago for one to rise with the
sun and set with the sun (perhaps augmented by candles
or oil lamps).

.... and they went to bed early.

Scott Lurndal presented the following explanation :
writes:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:22:56 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

burfordTjustice brought next idea :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?

Yes, and they always have been.

Go to bed early huh?

Electricity can be stored via several mechanisms such as
batteries, flywheels or pumped storage to cover times when direct solar
is insufficient. But I'm sure you're aware of that, so why
the snarky reply?

Actually, for snarky, it was quite funny.

It was not unusual 60 years ago for one to rise with the
sun and set with the sun (perhaps augmented by candles
or oil lamps).

Solar power covers more than just photovoltaic systems too. It also
covers the heat energy which can be stored and later converted to
electricity by thermocouples. I extended this idea somewhat in a reply
to an 'I'll bite' response in another group. If you're interested, the
post is in the scorched-earth group. I'll warn you though, you might
think it is a bit of a stretch.

Message-ID:

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:52:04 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Solar power covers more than just photovoltaic systems too. It also
covers the heat energy which can be stored and later converted to
electricity by thermocouples.

Yikes, talk about inefficiency!
Solar has good uses. It may be a good alternative for modest users of
electricity off the grid but don't plan on having much at night unless
you are a millionaire.
Heating water is am excellent use as long as you can store it for that
morning shower and pool/spa heaters are great (what I do).
It starts going down hill fast from there unless you are in a special
spot. Out in the western deserts, heating up the thermal mass of a
home during the day to get you through a cold night has been around
for 10,000 years although trombe walls and such are 20th century
technologies. I have been studying this since the Carter
administration but I still can't get the numbers to work out for most
of it.
I was close to a PV system a couple years ago but Florida ran out of
incentive money. It was really going to make sense with a $4 a watt
subsidy plus 30% from the feds, even if I was stealing from my
neighbors.

On 2016-07-26, Scott Lurndal wrote:

sun and set with the sun (perhaps augmented by candles or oil
lamps).

Priced either, lately?

Alladin usta make the best kerosene mantle lamps. A top-of-the-line
Alladin lamp could put out the equivalent of a 100W electric light
bulb. Then kerosene went thru the roof and has never come down.

I usta get no. 1 kerosene from local gas stations fer about $1.57 gal.
Last time I went to a local feed store, they wanted $8.50 gal! I
ended up throwing a 35K BTU kerosene heater away. It was a nearly
new $225 htr. I couln't give it away! 8|

Candles? Beeswax candles are about $5 ea fer a 6" finger-sized
candle! I've never lit them, so do not know their burn time, but it's
gotta be waaaay less $$$$ than a 75W CFL/LED.

nb

It happens that formulated :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:52:04 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Solar power covers more than just photovoltaic systems too. It also
covers the heat energy which can be stored and later converted to
electricity by thermocouples.

Yikes, talk about inefficiency!
Solar has good uses. It may be a good alternative for modest users of
electricity off the grid but don't plan on having much at night unless
you are a millionaire.
Heating water is am excellent use as long as you can store it for that
morning shower and pool/spa heaters are great (what I do).
It starts going down hill fast from there unless you are in a special
spot. Out in the western deserts, heating up the thermal mass of a
home during the day to get you through a cold night has been around
for 10,000 years although trombe walls and such are 20th century
technologies. I have been studying this since the Carter
administration but I still can't get the numbers to work out for most
of it.
I was close to a PV system a couple years ago but Florida ran out of
incentive money. It was really going to make sense with a $4 a watt
subsidy plus 30% from the feds, even if I was stealing from my
neighbors.

On another note, I had seen a news story some time ago about Hawaii
after having offered incentives for homeowners to embrace Solar Power
Systems for homes, the power utility (grid) started to suffer from a
lack of money for the upkeep of the infrastructure the homeowners
relied on to sell or buy the energy they didn't or did need during
local solar feast or famine times and ended up having to charge them
for it. I never did follow up to see how they eventually worked that
out. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:06:07 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

It happens that formulated :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:52:04 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Solar power covers more than just photovoltaic systems too. It also
covers the heat energy which can be stored and later converted to
electricity by thermocouples.

Yikes, talk about inefficiency!
Solar has good uses. It may be a good alternative for modest users of
electricity off the grid but don't plan on having much at night unless
you are a millionaire.
Heating water is am excellent use as long as you can store it for that
morning shower and pool/spa heaters are great (what I do).
It starts going down hill fast from there unless you are in a special
spot. Out in the western deserts, heating up the thermal mass of a
home during the day to get you through a cold night has been around
for 10,000 years although trombe walls and such are 20th century
technologies. I have been studying this since the Carter
administration but I still can't get the numbers to work out for most
of it.
I was close to a PV system a couple years ago but Florida ran out of
incentive money. It was really going to make sense with a $4 a watt
subsidy plus 30% from the feds, even if I was stealing from my
neighbors.

On another note, I had seen a news story some time ago about Hawaii
after having offered incentives for homeowners to embrace Solar Power
Systems for homes, the power utility (grid) started to suffer from a
lack of money for the upkeep of the infrastructure the homeowners
relied on to sell or buy the energy they didn't or did need during
local solar feast or famine times and ended up having to charge them
for it. I never did follow up to see how they eventually worked that
out. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

Grid tie systems really only work well when there are only a few tied
in. If you get a significant number of people feeding the system and
demanding money back all day, it is hard to maintain the
infrastructure for them at night without raising prices for everyone.

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:26:44 -0400, burfordTjustice
wrote:

Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can generate
by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

But the current digital big bang could end with a disappointing whimper because humanity may be unable to produce enough power to keep computers running, experts have warned.

A leading technical organised called the Semiconductor Industry Association has produced a study which said that computer-crazy society will be running short of electricity by 2040

It wrote: €œComputing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated worlds energy production.€�

The Semiconductor Industry Association meets every year to discuss how electronic components called transistors €“ which power computer circuits €“ can be made ever smaller.

Now the organisation is conceding that they probably wont get any tinier, heralding the end of an era where computers got faster and faster as transistors shrunk to every tinier sizes.

This means tech firms will have to think of new ways to make computers powerful enough to keep up with demands.

€œDriverless cars and personalised medicine along with countless other applications of intelligent systems are on the horizon, the Semiconductor Industry Association added.

The year 2040 carries a huge resonance in the tech world, because some people believe thats when artificial intelligence will become as clever as us humans €“ a moment known as the singularity.

This is unlikely to happen if we keep suffering power cuts because our computers are taking up too much energy.

Whats the best way to make sure a malign computer doesnt wipe us all out?
Make sure its not plugged in.


I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.
Your smart phone that can take a whole day's worth of charge from a 5v
1 amp USB port in less than an hour, has the power of a mainframe that
had a 208v 100a plug on it.

I used to build DC power supplies that used shunt regulators. Now we have switching power supplies that waste a lot less power. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Shunt Monster

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university. The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Tech Monster

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and it still amazes me. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Board Monster

On 07/26/2016 06:09 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:27:39 -0400
Ollie wrote:

On 07/25/2016 03:26 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Computers will use more electricity than the entire world can
generate by 2040, tech experts claim

Nightmare scenario means humanity will be simply unable to power the
systems which keep us alive

One word: SOLAR POWER

Is your home and auto completely powered by solar now?


What if everyone had solar panels to power their air conditioning/heat pump units. That would take a huge load off the grid, right?

Why does a solution have to be all or nothing?

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and it still amazes me. ^_^


The 360 line was all SLT card on board technology. The logic was all
on cards with silver cans over the similar to TTL silicon. It was
similar to 74xx but different packaging. The boards were about 13" x
10" and only contained interconnects, either printed on two layers of
the board or discrete wire wraps.
There were a few controllers that used older 1401 type technology that
had SMS card on board. (discrete components AKA STDTL)
All of them had core storage and an assortment of capacitive ROM using
punched mylar sheets in various configurations for the firmware.

The 370 series introduced reloadable storage for the firmware but it
was first introduced in the crossover M25 and M85 systems. The 370 was
also the first time the world saw the 8" floppy to load that code.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:20:43 -0400, Al Gore
wrote:



What if everyone had solar panels to power their air conditioning/heat pump units. That would take a huge load off the grid, right?

Why does a solution have to be all or nothing?

It helps on the A/C part but it doesn't do much for the heat part
since you use more heat at night.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and it still amazes me. ^_^


The 360 line was all SLT card on board technology. The logic was all
on cards with silver cans over the similar to TTL silicon. It was
similar to 74xx but different packaging. The boards were about 13" x
10" and only contained interconnects, either printed on two layers of
the board or discrete wire wraps.
There were a few controllers that used older 1401 type technology that
had SMS card on board. (discrete components AKA STDTL)
All of them had core storage and an assortment of capacitive ROM using
punched mylar sheets in various configurations for the firmware.

The 370 series introduced reloadable storage for the firmware but it
was first introduced in the crossover M25 and M85 systems. The 370 was
also the first time the world saw the 8" floppy to load that code.

I had some IBM boards out of a Selectric terminal that had the little square silver cans the size of a thumbnail. Of course I pried some of them open because I wanted to see what was inside. I had some NASA surplus from the Apollo Saturn V program that I took apart too. I wish I'd kept all that stuff in one piece but eBay wasn't around in the 1960's. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle IBM Monster

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and it still amazes me. ^_^



Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:34:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

That is still using integrated circuit technology

This is discrete technology
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...px-SMScard.jpg

I would guess that there are 2 gates on this card but that is just a
wild guess based on transistor count. It might just be a flip flop
with gates on the input.

Scott Lurndal laid this down on his screen :
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series
and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and
I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember
having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had
written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers
like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning
new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be
fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a
CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but
I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I
think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full
sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and
it still amazes me. ^_^



Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

Cool! Would you call that Large Scale Dis-integration?

writes:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:34:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

That is still using integrated circuit technology


From the webpage:

Like all modern processors the Megaprocessor is built from
transistors. It's just that instead of using teeny-weeny ones
integrated on a silicon chip it uses discrete individual ones
like those below. Thousands of them. And loads of LEDs.

http://megaprocessor.com/Cost_Materials.html

Not an IC in the bunch.

wrote in message

I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.

Agree. Typical alarmist BS. Remember the predictions a few decades ago
that we would run out of oil by now? Peak Oil? More BS.

--
Bobby G.

"Robert Green" writes:
wrote in message

I call bull**** on this. You just have to look what happened in the
last 25 years. Computing power skyrocketed and the electrical power
used plummeted.

Agree. Typical alarmist BS. Remember the predictions a few decades ago
that we would run out of oil by now? Peak Oil? More BS.

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...l-perspective/

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 11:34:20 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:31:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:15:40 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Those 100 amp mainframes used switchers. Huge ones obviously. IBM
stopped using shunt regulators, and pass regulators by the mid 60s.. We
did have at least one machine (3705 communication controller) that
used a strange SCR supply that took the 208vac and made the DC
voltages directly by using PWM and a buttload of big capacitors.
They were scary noisy on the power line side tho.

The computers I played with when I was young were the Univac 1100 series and the IBM 360/50 RAX systems back in 1965-1966 at the university.

The mod 50 used a 208 3p 60 amp plug. That was a switcher PS machine
too. I had a couple in my territory

The university was replacing the Univac with the IBM during that time and I had a lot of fun learning about computers and programming. I remember having boxes of punch cards as a way of carrying around a program I had written. My country sent astronauts to the Moon and back with computers like that. I've never lost my love of science, technology and learning new things. ^_^

Yup, They actually assembled a special s/360 just for NASA that was a
multiprocessor M/95.
I saw a lot of Univac 1108s that the Navy used but I never messed with
them.

We think of a CPU today as something smaller than a fingernail. It would be fun to show a kid who has never picked up an encyclopedia in book form a CPU composed of discrete components. I haven't looked at eBay for them but I remember seeing some IBM 360 processor boards on the site years ago. I think the darn things were bigger than the motherboard in any of my full sized tower PC's. I know it took a lot of those boards to makeup a CPU and it still amazes me. ^_^

Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

That is so cool! ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Impressed Monster

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:02:52 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:34:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

That is still using integrated circuit technology

This is discrete technology
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...px-SMScard.jpg

I would guess that there are 2 gates on this card but that is just a
wild guess based on transistor count. It might just be a flip flop
with gates on the input.

That looks like some of the old military surplus I had. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Surplus Monster

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 1:00:46 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:34:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Discrete computer:

http://www.megaprocessor.com/

That is still using integrated circuit technology

From the webpage:

Like all modern processors the Megaprocessor is built from
transistors. It's just that instead of using teeny-weeny ones
integrated on a silicon chip it uses discrete individual ones
like those below. Thousands of them. And loads of LEDs.

http://megaprocessor.com/Cost_Materials.html

Not an IC in the bunch.

The guy must be quite wealthy? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Poor Monster