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I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions.
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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 10:07:48 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote:
I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. ? http://tinyurl.com/gqwhj7u |
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:07:39 -0700 (PDT), Deodiaus
wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. Any 530GX ros will fit |
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain
wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 10:07:48 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. ? http://tinyurl.com/gqwhj7u Won't fit. Only Fits Specific Honda GX140, GX160 & GX200 Series Engines |
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On 07/10/2016 09:07 PM, Deodiaus wrote:
Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? I'd give that about a 0% probability of success. If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. Worst case you find one that matches the crank and piston pin diameters but is about .100 longer between the centerlines and the head has a .030 squish band. |
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The crank case gas a 4" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it welded. I was watching youtube about using JB Weld?
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The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60.
Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? |
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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 11:57:21 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote:
The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? AL alloy...excuse me for chuckling about JB! 8^) |
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Deodiaus wrote:
The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? Your obvious lack of expertise in this field leads me to recommend you just buy another motor . The chances of a successful repair -in light of your questions - are between slim and none . I recently rebuilt a Kohler KT17Q opposed twin that had a broken rod . It took a new crank , rods , pistons , and a machine shop and TIG welder to repair . I have all these tools , you don't or you wouldn't be talking about using JB Weld ... -- Snag |
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On 07/10/2016 10:57 PM, Deodiaus wrote:
The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Does your boat need an anchor because that is what you have. |
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rbowman wrote:
On 07/10/2016 10:57 PM, Deodiaus wrote: The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Does your boat need an anchor because that is what you have. Not necessarily ... I had to weld a plug in the side of my Kohler opposed twin after it tossed a rod - the difference being that I have a full machine shop and a TIG welder . That wasn't my first choice though . I bought a case half and when it arrived I discovered that some yokel had ground the gaskets off the precision machined sealing surface at the case joint . Instant refund , and I still have the case to be melted down and recast into something else . In this guy's case though I agree with you . From the questions he's asking he's in over his head . -- Snag |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote:
I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. -- A group of white South Africans recently killed a black lawyer because he was black. That was wrong. They should have killed him because he was a lawyer. |
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On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:53 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. -- What's soft and warm when you go to bed, but hard and stiff when you wake up? Vomit. |
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On 07/11/2016 07:45 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
In this guy's case though I agree with you . From the questions he's asking he's in over his head . I figure the next step will be "The piston is cracked too. Will eutectic brazing work or should I just use JB Weld like I saw on the internet?" Then we can move on to the state of the valves. Then there was the post with the 4" crack -- I guess it's spreading. |
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On 7/11/2016 7:03 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:53 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. I just can't see you as the laughing type. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:24:02 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 7/11/2016 7:03 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:53 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. I just can't see you as the laughing type. I laugh at people with busted lawnmower engines. -- "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, 1949 |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman
wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. |
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On 7/11/2016 9:27 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. don't forget to replace the engine block. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:28:13 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:27 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. don't forget to replace the engine block. How much would it cost the OP to buy a "short block"? |
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On 7/11/2016 9:36 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:28:13 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:27 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. don't forget to replace the engine block. How much would it cost the OP to buy a "short block"? I am sure we are about to find out, in about 1000 posts and several weeks time. |
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Deodiaus
wrote: The crank case gas a 4" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it welded. I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? The crank is steel. If the crankcase has a 4 inch hole in it, there is a good chance it's "tweaked" too. If I was in the bush in Africa I'd likely try fixing it, but around hrere, realistically, it's really not worth fixing. If I was going to fix it, I'd have it welded. You need to bake all the oil out before either welding or gluing the hole shut. It is NOT a simple repair. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain
wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 11:57:21 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote: The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? AL alloy...excuse me for chuckling about JB! 8^) The crankCASE is aluminum alloy. The crankSHAFT is steel I know guys who have used JB Weld on crankcases. The repair has often started leaking oil within a year or there-abouts. You NEED to get it CLEAN before patching to stand even half a chance. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:57:53 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I'd like to see him mow the yard at my friend's farm - or any place that NEEDS a 13HP or larger mower - with an electric - corded or cordless. It's about a 7 hour job with a 42 inch rider including the banks of the drainage ditch at the road. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:05:39 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 07/11/2016 07:45 AM, Terry Coombs wrote: In this guy's case though I agree with you . From the questions he's asking he's in over his head . I figure the next step will be "The piston is cracked too. Will eutectic brazing work or should I just use JB Weld like I saw on the internet?" Then we can move on to the state of the valves. Then there was the post with the 4" crack -- I guess it's spreading. On one post he said a 2X crack, on the other a 4X crack - so mabee it'd a 2X4 hole??? |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:28:13 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:27 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. don't forget to replace the engine block. Why replace it - he's got a 2X tube of "chewing gum" |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:41:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:36 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:28:13 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:27 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:33:26 -0600, rbowman wrote: The plot thickens... So the crankcase is damaged too? Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. Go ahead and include a gouged cylinder, broken rings, damaged crank, etc.. don't forget to replace the engine block. How much would it cost the OP to buy a "short block"? I am sure we are about to find out, in about 1000 posts and several weeks time. And what is he going to use it on when he's finished? Sounds like he picked up a scap engine and thinks he can make SOMETHING out of it. (based on his thinking $64 for a con-rod is too expensive for the application) |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:19:32 +0100, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:57:53 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:07:39 +0100, Deodiaus wrote: I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I'd like to see him mow the yard A yard is made of concrete. We mow lawns. at my friend's farm - or any place that NEEDS a 13HP or larger mower - with an electric - corded or cordless. It's about a 7 hour job with a 42 inch rider including the banks of the drainage ditch at the road. That much land should have animals grazing it. -- More people in the UK are injured by standing on upturned mains plugs than by electric shocks. |
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On 7/10/16 11:07 PM, Deodiaus wrote:
I have a Honda 530 GXV engine for a riding mower with a broken piston rod (13200-Z0A-801). I found ones on the internet, but they go for $60, which is a lot for this. Does anyone have an idea of how close are the tolerances for other onces that I might find? If I go to a junk auto yard, do I have a reasonable chance of finding one in a car with the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I'm not trying to hurt your feeling here but if your level of mechanical knowledge requires you to ask if a car engine and a lawnmower engine might use the same size piston rod, that repair is probably above your pay grade. Take it to the shop, dude ;-) -- DUI crash killing 9 teens in a church van is the fault of the drunk driver-- but a mass shooting is somehow blamed on the gun. Huh? |
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On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:12:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 11:57:21 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote: The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? AL alloy...excuse me for chuckling about JB! 8^) The crankCASE is aluminum alloy. The crankSHAFT is steel I know guys who have used JB Weld on crankcases. The repair has often started leaking oil within a year or there-abouts. You NEED to get it CLEAN before patching to stand even half a chance. I said aluminum because you mentioned using lye to remove it! 'member? |
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On 7/11/2016 9:36 AM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:24:02 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 7:03 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:53 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: [snip] the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. I just can't see you as the laughing type. I laugh at people with busted lawnmower engines. How long does it take you with that electric lawnmower, James? Granted, you can cover 100 square feet of lawn (or do you insist on using metric equivalent) in a short amount of time. |
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:44:18 +0100, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 7/11/2016 9:36 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:24:02 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 7:03 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:53 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 7/11/2016 6:51 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: [snip] the same dimensions, or do cars use much bigger ones? If I look around for lawn mowers, with a Honda engine, how much of a chance is there that I'd find one which fits, or are they really propriatary with custom dimensions. I like to laugh at people having trouble with old fashioned petrol mowers. Electricity is the future. go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. I just can't see you as the laughing type. I laugh at people with busted lawnmower engines. How long does it take you with that electric lawnmower, James? Granted, you can cover 100 square feet of lawn (or do you insist on using metric equivalent) in a short amount of time. Size of mower is not equal to type of mower power unit. -- Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques. |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:01:56 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain
wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:12:54 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:16:07 -0700 (PDT), bob_villain wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 11:57:21 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote: The crank case gas a 2" X crack. Is crank made from steel or Al? I was thinking of having it professionally welded if less than $60. Or using a Mg sparkler ; I was watching youtube about using JB Weld? AL alloy...excuse me for chuckling about JB! 8^) The crankCASE is aluminum alloy. The crankSHAFT is steel I know guys who have used JB Weld on crankcases. The repair has often started leaking oil within a year or there-abouts. You NEED to get it CLEAN before patching to stand even half a chance. I said aluminum because you mentioned using lye to remove it! 'member? Yes - but the question was " Is crank made from steel or Al?" Might not be what he MEANT, but it is what he ASKED |
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On 07/11/2016 10:36 AM, Oren wrote:
How much would it cost the OP to buy a "short block"? Do they make short blocks for lawnmowers? |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:33:29 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 07/11/2016 10:36 AM, Oren wrote: How much would it cost the OP to buy a "short block"? Do they make short blocks for lawnmowers? Yes they do - long blocks too |
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I was thinking if he can, so can I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_4Y9j93UDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCycms8wVC4 |
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On 7/11/2016 8:02 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:44:18 +0100, Unquestionably Confused wrote: On 7/11/2016 9:36 AM, James Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:24:02 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: [snip] go ahead and laugh, until the generator throws a rod. I don't have a generator. I just can't see you as the laughing type. I laugh at people with busted lawnmower engines. How long does it take you with that electric lawnmower, James? Granted, you can cover 100 square feet of lawn (or do you insist on using metric equivalent) in a short amount of time. Size of mower is not equal to type of mower power unit. Of course it isn't equal. It is, however, dependent upon the size. Try running a 60" ZTR mower with either a battery or electrical cord. Electric mowers are just the thing for a table top "city" lawn. When you start keeping acres manicured. . . not so much. |
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On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:01:20 PM UTC-5, Deodiaus wrote:
I was thinking if he can, so can I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_4Y9j93UDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCycms8wVC4 Should I propane weld Al crankcase cover from the inside ? |
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