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for the 2016 Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and the Buick Enclave. ABC News article he http://alturl.com/kgqfx -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 08:59:52 -0500
"Dean Hoffman" wrote: for the 2016 Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and the Buick Enclave. ABC News article he http://alturl.com/kgqfx They state what the government tells them to. |
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 10:57:06 -0500, burfordTjustice
wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2016 08:59:52 -0500 "Dean Hoffman" wrote: for the 2016 Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and the Buick Enclave. ABC News article he http://alturl.com/kgqfx They state what the government tells them to. The auto makers do their own testing. From the article: "All automakers do their own testing for mileage under EPA guidelines and submit figures to the agency, which does spot checks to verify the figures. In 2012, the agency found that Hyundai and Kia had overstated mileage on 13 models from 2011 through 2013 that totaled about 1.2 million vehicles. Mileage on one vehicle was overstated by six mpg." -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:10:20 -0500
"Dean Hoffman" wrote: EPA guidelines That tells you the other two did not state what the EPA told them to. Testing is done of paper not on the road. |
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On 5/14/2016 6:59 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
for the 2016 Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and the Buick Enclave. ABC News article he http://alturl.com/kgqfx Amusing in that AFAICT, most folks get BETTER mileage than the data published for their vehicles. E.g., our vehicle is ("up to") 20/29 yet we've consistently averaged better than the "20" in town -- despite the fact that the car claims our average speed to be about 19MPH (over the last 10 months). My trip to the local library this morning clocked in at 29.7 (no "highway" driving involved) |
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On 05/14/2016 05:12 PM, Don Y wrote:
Amusing in that AFAICT, most folks get BETTER mileage than the data published for their vehicles. E.g., our vehicle is ("up to") 20/29 yet we've consistently averaged better than the "20" in town -- despite the fact that the car claims our average speed to be about 19MPH (over the last 10 months). According to the ScanGauge my Toyota does better than the EPA rating unless I'm running 80 mph or so. |
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On 5/14/2016 6:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/14/2016 05:12 PM, Don Y wrote: Amusing in that AFAICT, most folks get BETTER mileage than the data published for their vehicles. E.g., our vehicle is ("up to") 20/29 yet we've consistently averaged better than the "20" in town -- despite the fact that the car claims our average speed to be about 19MPH (over the last 10 months). According to the ScanGauge my Toyota does better than the EPA rating unless I'm running 80 mph or so. We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious driving! : Might be fun to actually play with some of its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at the next corner... |
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On 5/14/2016 7:12 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 5/14/2016 6:59 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: for the 2016 Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia, and the Buick Enclave. ABC News article he http://alturl.com/kgqfx Amusing in that AFAICT, most folks get BETTER mileage than the data published for their vehicles. E.g., our vehicle is ("up to") 20/29 yet we've consistently averaged better than the "20" in town -- despite the fact that the car claims our average speed to be about 19MPH (over the last 10 months). My trip to the local library this morning clocked in at 29.7 (no "highway" driving involved) Where are you getting the numbers? Since you are talking a trip this morning are you using what the car is telling you? If so, it is probably wrong. The last five cars (different brands) had the computer that gave you the mpg of a trip and since the last fill up. I've checked the old method of filling the tank and calculating. The car computer ranged from 2 to 6 mpg too high In reality, it is very rare to really get what the official rating is. Verified over hndreds of tanks of gas on many cars. |
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On 5/14/2016 7:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Where are you getting the numbers? Since you are talking a trip this morning are you using what the car is telling you? If so, it is probably wrong. The last five cars (different brands) had the computer that gave you the mpg of a trip and since the last fill up. I've checked the old method of filling the tank and calculating. The car computer ranged from 2 to 6 mpg too high Ours has been really close. We record the odometer reading and the gallons of fuel that the *pump* claims to have dispensed. We compare this to the total that the car reports for each tankful along with the running average. The car always reports *lower* MPG than we calculate. E.g., car reports 190.3 miles on the last tank. (the car decides when it has been "filled"; we don't "tell it"). Car claims 20.5 MPG. Simple arithmetic suggests the actual efficiency was 21.29 MPG. For a car that claims to get "up to" 20MPG in city driving. Of course, if car was claiming 29 MPG for each "trip" -- then reporting an average of 20 for the tank, we would be suspicious. OTOH, when we see it report *5.8* MPG for a trip down the block (*a* block), we don't start sweating! In reality, it is very rare to really get what the official rating is. Verified over hndreds of tanks of gas on many cars. Perhaps you should buy a "smarter" car? : Our vehicle currently has ~4300 miles on it. As of the last fillup (at 4259), we'd pumped 214.402 gallons into it. That's 19.86 MPG over the life of the car. If the manufacturer told me "up to 20 MPG" and I calculate 19.86 -- while the car claims 19 (doesn't display tenths) as its average -- I'm not going to gripe that "I'm not getting what the official rating is"! |
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On 05/14/2016 07:25 PM, Don Y wrote:
We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious driving! : Might be fun to actually play with some of its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at the next corner... In Montana it's hard to come up with anyplace to go that does not require serious driving :) |
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On 05/14/2016 08:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The last five cars (different brands) had the computer that gave you the mpg of a trip and since the last fill up. I've checked the old method of filling the tank and calculating. The car computer ranged from 2 to 6 mpg too high I go by a ScanGauge plugged into the ODB. When I fill up it is usually within a tenth of a gallon on how much will take to fill the tank and the tank mpg numbers jibe with the odometer. |
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On 5/14/2016 10:01 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/14/2016 07:25 PM, Don Y wrote: We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious driving! : Might be fun to actually play with some of its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at the next corner... In Montana it's hard to come up with anyplace to go that does not require serious driving :) Well, once "out of town", that's the way it would be, here (as you know). Unfortunately, *getting* out of town is a major challenge from our location (I10 goes south and west of town; we're north and east). So, the better part of an hour to get *on* the interstate (if headed to feenigs) OTOH, you can do 45 on many of the roads in town -- just not for very FAR (before encountering yet-another-traffic-signal). A bit over 4000 miles on the car -- at an average speed of 18 MPH (I think). |
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On 05/14/2016 07:25 PM, Don Y wrote: We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious driving! : Might be fun to actually play with some of its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at the next corner... We have different lifestyles. Last week I took my wife out to dinner for our anniversary. I chose the restaurant. Three days, nearly two tanks of gas and 745 miles. Next month we are joining friends for their anniversary. Three days, at least 450 miles. |
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On 5/15/2016 4:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 05/14/2016 07:25 PM, Don Y wrote: We've not yet had the car "on the highway" so no idea what it will do with the chance to "cruise" (instead of the stop-n-go that we experience in town). Hard to come up with anyplace we'd want to *go* that would require any sort of serious driving! : Might be fun to actually play with some of its toys while not having to watch for the stop sign at the next corner... We have different lifestyles. Last week I took my wife out to dinner for our anniversary. I chose the restaurant. Three days, nearly two tanks of gas and 745 miles. Next month we are joining friends for their anniversary. Three days, at least 450 miles. Neither of us enjoy time traveling; nothing gets done beyond changing your position on the globe -- "We'll wait for it to come out on DVD..." A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just be "yet another credit card charge". The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake, biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment of *time*. Unfortunately, a special dinner for *me* ALSO requires *me* to prepare it : |
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On 5/15/2016 7:29 AM, Don Y wrote:
Neither of us enjoy time traveling; nothing gets done beyond changing your position on the globe -- "We'll wait for it to come out on DVD..." We enjoy travel. Meeting people, seeing things, experiencing local customers, especially in foreign countries. A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just be "yet another credit card charge". I often do the same, but again, it is the dining experience we enjoy. We went to the Culinary Institute for our 50th. This is just one of the restaurants they have http://www.ristorantecaterinademedici.com/ others can be seen here http://www.ciarestaurantgroup.com/ The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake, biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment of *time*. Agree. Home made is the only way to go. |
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On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Don Y wrote:
A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just be "yet another credit card charge". The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake, biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment of *time*. Strongly disagree! If I was on your guest list, you'd want me to bring a professionally prepared dish. Trust me on this. ;-) |
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On 5/15/2016 6:24 AM, fakeid wrote:
On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Don Y wrote: A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just be "yet another credit card charge". The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake, biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment of *time*. Strongly disagree! If I was on your guest list, you'd want me to bring a professionally prepared dish. Trust me on this. ;-) LOL. But then what would we talk about? |
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:26:19 -0500, burfordTjustice
wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:10:20 -0500 "Dean Hoffman" wrote: EPA guidelines That tells you the other two did not state what the EPA told them to. Testing is done of paper not on the road. It looks like it's done in a lab according to this: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml The first paragraph says: "Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles€”usually pre-production prototypes€”and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 10%€“15% of them through their own tests at the National Vehicles and Fuel Emissions Laboratory." -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Sun, 15 May 2016 10:34:58 -0500
"Dean Hoffman" wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:26:19 -0500, burfordTjustice wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:10:20 -0500 "Dean Hoffman" wrote: EPA guidelines That tells you the other two did not state what the EPA told them to. Testing is done of paper not on the road. It looks like it's done in a lab according to this: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml The first paragraph says: "Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles€”usually pre-production prototypes€”and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 10%€“15% of them through their own tests at the National Vehicles and Fuel Emissions Laboratory." Believe what you wish...the system is NOT what you think it appears to be. |
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On 5/15/2016 4:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2016 7:29 AM, Don Y wrote: Neither of us enjoy time traveling; nothing gets done beyond changing your position on the globe -- "We'll wait for it to come out on DVD..." We enjoy travel. Meeting people, seeing things, experiencing local customers, especially in foreign countries. I traveled A LOT when I was younger (work, leisure, etc.). Now, I would welcome a "transporter" (star trek). We engage lots of different people due to our "social" schedules, groups with which we are involved, etc. Not the sort of people that *I* would seek out (being far more "technical" by nature) but often interesting, nonetheless. Thankfully, I'm a "quick study" so I can usually dive into a discussion of some brand new topic/field in short order. IME, people much prefer having YOU ask them about stuff than the other way around... A "special dinner" is *me* spending the day to prepare one of her favorites -- along with suitable desserts. If she could buy it in a restaurant (or bakery), it wouldn't be special -- it would just be "yet another credit card charge". I often do the same, but again, it is the dining experience we enjoy. We went to the Culinary Institute for our 50th. This is just one of the restaurants they have http://www.ristorantecaterinademedici.com/ others can be seen here http://www.ciarestaurantgroup.com/ If the 'experience' is waiting for someone to take your order, bring your drinks, bring you a clean piece of silverware, etc., I'm not keen on it! : Growing up, "hospitality" was usually indicated by how willing you were to give folks access to your refrigerator. I.e., "Help yourself". (It was always forbidden to access someone *else's* refrigerator without their consent -- you waited for them to GET you what you wanted). So, when we have folks over, everyone gravitates towards the kitchen almost magically. As if they lived here. The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. OTOH, making something special *for* them (cheesecake, ice cream, coffee cake, biscotti, lasagna, electronic doorbell, etc.) represents an investment of *time*. Agree. Home made is the only way to go. Many of the things that I make can't be found in stores. Or, are of much higher quality/intensity. E.g., I'll make cavatelli (a sort of "dense shell" macaroni) from scratch -- the *day* they will be served. Or, a batch of ice cream ripened just enough to be firm without being *frozen* -- in time for dessert. Or, a unique clock/timepiece. etc. So, it's not like a homemade version of something you could have bought at a local store. (E.g., my butter pecan ice cream has 1/4 pound of butter in a 2 pint batch: "Wow! This is really buttery!") At times, it is distressing if the host/hostess *hides* what I've brought (so THEY could have it for themselves -- after the guests have left!). But, I've learned not to fret over this as I *gave* it to them and have no right to decide how *they* "use" it. OTOH, it can be embarassing when a guest makes a point of asking me what I brought -- knowing it would be something good. Then starts *looking* for it. Esp if they ask the host/hostess about it ("Oh, we didn't put it out; there's so much OTHER stuff here...") shrug Not my problem. What's annoying is the stranger who will inevitably ask you to make some for them: "I'll pay you..." (do you really think I want to do this for a living??) |
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On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Don Y wrote:
The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. In my mother's circle the surest way to become a target of derision was to try to doll up a purchased item and pass it off as your own. Even a cake that originated from a box was pushing acceptability. While my mother was a good cook, there were the inevitable failures. The family got to eat those while she tried again to produce something for public consumption. |
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On 5/15/2016 11:23 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2016 05:29 AM, Don Y wrote: The same is true when we are invited to friends' for a party, meal, etc. Walking in with something *purchased* is a cop-out -- a few extra minutes on the weekly shopping trip and a few extra dollars. In my mother's circle the surest way to become a target of derision was to try to doll up a purchased item and pass it off as your own. Even a cake that originated from a box was pushing acceptability. I used to bake things for SWMBO to share with her fellow coworkers. One day, she tried to pass off my coffee cake as her own. And, of course, was asked for the Rx: "I'll have to bring it in to you, tomorrow". Except, Don wasn't eager to share his secrets. Leaving her to explain why she 'forgot' to bring it in! : While my mother was a good cook, there were the inevitable failures. The family got to eat those while she tried again to produce something for public consumption. I leave notes to myself each time I make something to give me an idea of how it might improve. E.g., my biscotti Rx has changed A LOT over the years (making a batch every two weeks gives you a lot of opportunities to tweak it!). Ditto cheesecake and coffeecake, particularly. [Ice cream is FUN to experiment with! "No such thing as a bad batch of ice cream!"] I've noticed that, lately, far more effort is spent on perfecting the process/technique than the ingredients. E.g., my coffeecake is really difficult to determine when it's "done". It's about 4+" tall (ring) so hard to probe the interior for "doneness" (LOTS of sour cream makes it susceptible to being UNDER cooked; over cooking makes it dry -- defeating the whole purpose!). So, my notes involve more detailed observations of times, temperatures and subjective measures ("how sticky a toothpick inserted into it comes out") Cheesecake is 5 hours on your feet. So, the notes for that deal with ways of reducing that time. Or, breaking it up into two or more "sessions" (it's hard to set aside a 5 hour block of time for ONE task -- esp given that I don't like cheesecake! : ) |
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On 05/15/2016 12:54 PM, Don Y wrote:
Cheesecake is 5 hours on your feet. So, the notes for that deal with ways of reducing that time. Or, breaking it up into two or more "sessions" (it's hard to set aside a 5 hour block of time for ONE task -- esp given that I don't like cheesecake! : ) I like cheesecake but my enthusiasm for making it dried up with 'take a springform pan'... |
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On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 7:56:36 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2016 7:29 AM, Don Y wrote: Neither of us enjoy time traveling; nothing gets done beyond changing your position on the globe -- "We'll wait for it to come out on DVD..." We enjoy travel. Meeting people, seeing things, experiencing local customers, especially in foreign countries. Not only do I enjoy all of those things, I enjoy the driving also. I seem to have passed that gene onto one of my daughters. We're trying to talk her out of driving 5 hours each way to attend her sister's graduation next weekend. 10 hours of driving for a 1.5 hour ceremony and a meal. That's all she'll really have time for. Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue." I guess I raised her right. ;-) |
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On 5/15/2016 1:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2016 12:54 PM, Don Y wrote: Cheesecake is 5 hours on your feet. So, the notes for that deal with ways of reducing that time. Or, breaking it up into two or more "sessions" (it's hard to set aside a 5 hour block of time for ONE task -- esp given that I don't like cheesecake! : ) I like cheesecake but my enthusiasm for making it dried up with 'take a springform pan'... Ah, mine is rectangular -- in a ~9x13 glass baking dish. Very "light" (far less calories than a New York style) The problem is that the crust takes an hour to make. It can chill while you spend an hour and a half reducing the pineapple. The filling requires another hour -- assuming you've taken the ingredients out ahead of time to let them come to room temperature (cream cheese is remarkably dense!). But, the pineapple can cool while you're doing that. Baking takes an hour and a half -- which you will spend cleaning the various bowls and pots that you used. Then, packaging it (for transport) yet another hour. And, it's "gone" in a matter of minutes! :-/ I bring one to my PCP around the holidays. His eyes light up when he sees the cooler accompanying me into his office. First one I made for him he was surprised/pleased. When I told him, "Oh, this is GOOD! You can trade it for sexual favors!!" he turned red clear to the top of his head! I've not bothered to ask what he "gets" from his wife for sharing it... |
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On 5/15/2016 1:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2016 12:54 PM, Don Y wrote: Cheesecake is 5 hours on your feet. So, the notes for that deal with ways of reducing that time. Or, breaking it up into two or more "sessions" (it's hard to set aside a 5 hour block of time for ONE task -- esp given that I don't like cheesecake! : ) I like cheesecake but my enthusiasm for making it dried up with 'take a springform pan'... I actually went looking for a large (HUGE!) springform pan for *pizza*. Always hard to find something deep enough for the pie, yet easy enough to cut and remove slices. |
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On 05/15/2016 03:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue." After you drive 12,000 miles a month for a few years ,the thrill wears off. I get back into it after the first couple of hundred miles but getting up the enthusiasm to start off is difficult. |
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On 5/15/2016 2:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
After you drive 12,000 miles a month for a few years ,the thrill wears off. I get back into it after the first couple of hundred miles but getting up the enthusiasm to start off is difficult. When I was younger, I used to like "driving". Not "sightseeing" but driving. E.g., climb in the car on one coast, climb out on the next coast -- with nothing but stops for gas along the way. (e.g., the colorado-boston trips were 40 hours, start to finish) Now, I don't have the patience to deal with all the other bozos on the roads, the uncertainties of traffic, construction, etc. "Are we there, yet?" |
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On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 5:09:15 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2016 03:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue." After you drive 12,000 miles a month for a few years ,the thrill wears off. I get back into it after the first couple of hundred miles but getting up the enthusiasm to start off is difficult. Well, it's not 12K a month, but my daughter had to do an internship for her Master's degree this past semester. 100 mile round trip, 4 days a week. Toss in a few weekend trips to visit friends at her undergrad school, trips home for the holidays, etc. and I think she's driven over 30K in the past year. The (not so) funny part of this is that she's driving her mom's 2005 Taurus wagon. (I kid her that she's "the coolest kid on campus" but she loves that car.) Anyway, before we gave her the car we never used it for long trips. We always took my newer vehicle or rented a car if Mom was traveling on her own. Now my daughter has driven that beast all over New England for the past year and a half. She had it inspected at a trusted indy shop before heading off to spend the summer working in Vermont and the owner said not to worry: "It's old, but it's in great shape. I'd let my daughter drive it if it was hers." |
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On 5/15/2016 5:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Not only do I enjoy all of those things, I enjoy the driving also. I seem to have passed that gene onto one of my daughters. We're trying to talk her out of driving 5 hours each way to attend her sister's graduation next weekend. 10 hours of driving for a 1.5 hour ceremony and a meal. That's all she'll really have time for. Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue." I guess I raised her right. ;-) You did. My daughter lives 5 hours away and she does it in 4 1/2 hours. She also has three cross country round trips to her credit. Twice with 3 kids. Some of us just like to drive. Anywhere, any time except blizzards. |
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On 5/15/2016 5:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2016 03:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: Her response to me was "If it's about putting the milage on the car, I agree. If it's about me driving 10 hours, you know that's not an issue." After you drive 12,000 miles a month for a few years ,the thrill wears off. I get back into it after the first couple of hundred miles but getting up the enthusiasm to start off is difficult. I can understand that. For us, the first 100 miles can be boring because we've gone most routes out of town frequently. Given the time we try to avoid the highways as they can be boring. The pat weekend I knew the route from Hyde Park NY to Lake George and the to Waterbury VT. For a change I used the NAV and set it to avoid freeways and toll roads. Took us much longer but we saw a lot more. Took us on roads I never would have guessed at. |
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On 05/15/2016 07:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I can understand that. For us, the first 100 miles can be boring because we've gone most routes out of town frequently. Given the time we try to avoid the highways as they can be boring. The pat weekend I knew the route from Hyde Park NY to Lake George and the to Waterbury VT. For a change I used the NAV and set it to avoid freeways and toll roads. Took us much longer but we saw a lot more. Took us on roads I never would have guessed at. One of the things I miss about back east are the alternative routes, even for a short drive. In much of the west, you take the interstate, end of story. There are frontage roads along I90 that I take for variety but you're just paralleling I90 and they are seldom more than ten miles before you have to get back on the big road. |
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On 5/15/2016 9:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
One of the things I miss about back east are the alternative routes, even for a short drive. In much of the west, you take the interstate, end of story. There are frontage roads along I90 that I take for variety but you're just paralleling I90 and they are seldom more than ten miles before you have to get back on the big road. And, they're (west) just straight slogs! I remember the first time I drove cross country. Got to kansas: "OK, this is interesting" (I was being generous... flat is anything BUT interesting!) After 30 minutes of that, I was ready for "the next state". I joked that I didn't dare pull off the road for fear that I'd get back on, headed in the wrong direction, and not realize it until I saw the CO or MO state line! |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On 5/16/2016 12:45 AM, rbowman wrote:
One of the things I miss about back east are the alternative routes, even for a short drive. In much of the west, you take the interstate, end of story. There are frontage roads along I90 that I take for variety but you're just paralleling I90 and they are seldom more than ten miles before you have to get back on the big road. Many years ago, I went to a funeral in Indiana. The highway was clogged with road construction. 20 MPH instead of 65. I had a look at my USA map, and found a parallel route. Had to stop for the towns, but the travel progress was so much better. The one time I went to Salt Lake City, we took I-80, think it was. The fellow riding with me said that Nebraska is endless. I have to agree, every 50 miles were cattle guards, and a small town. took about six hours to cross the state. We were lucky to have someone to talk with. I did wish for cruise control. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On 05/15/2016 11:03 PM, Don Y wrote:
I remember the first time I drove cross country. Got to kansas: "OK, this is interesting" (I was being generous... flat is anything BUT interesting!) After 30 minutes of that, I was ready for "the next state". The country would be a lot more interesting if Denver fronted on the Mississippi. On one trip I forgot Oklahoma was between Arkansas and Texas on I40. I was disappointed when i hit the OK line. Of course, Arkansas and Texas do adjoin at Texarkana but then you have a day and a half of Texas. Just can't win. |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On 05/16/2016 06:06 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Many years ago, I went to a funeral in Indiana. The highway was clogged with road construction. 20 MPH instead of 65. I had a look at my USA map, and found a parallel route. Had to stop for the towns, but the travel progress was so much better. I worked in Ft. Wayne for a year. I'd ride my bicycle 15 or 20 miles looking at soybeans, turn around, and ride back looking at the other side of the soybeans. The wind shifted as soon as I turned too. Flying was even worse. When the scenery all looks the same you have plenty of time to think about the wings falling off or the engine stopping. The Tomahawk only did 100 knots happily so it wasn't much better than driving. |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 8:55:53 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 05/16/2016 06:06 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Many years ago, I went to a funeral in Indiana. The highway was clogged with road construction. 20 MPH instead of 65. I had a look at my USA map, and found a parallel route. Had to stop for the towns, but the travel progress was so much better. I worked in Ft. Wayne for a year. I'd ride my bicycle 15 or 20 miles looking at soybeans, turn around, and ride back looking at the other side of the soybeans. The wind shifted as soon as I turned too. Flying was even worse. When the scenery all looks the same you have plenty of time to think about the wings falling off or the engine stopping. The Tomahawk only did 100 knots happily so it wasn't much better than driving. How long did the trip take you by bicycle? I was in the best shape of my life when I was getting around by bicycle. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Peddling Monster |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On 5/16/2016 9:57 AM, rbowman wrote:
I worked in Ft. Wayne for a year. I'd ride my bicycle 15 or 20 miles looking at soybeans, turn around, and ride back looking at the other side of the soybeans. The wind shifted as soon as I turned too. Flying was even worse. When the scenery all looks the same you have plenty of time to think about the wings falling off or the engine stopping. The Tomahawk only did 100 knots happily so it wasn't much better than driving. My sister made friends with a girl scout from Canada. Sister asked friend how fast they drove, on the way to visit. Friend said "we didn't go very fast, we only went about a hundred". Sister exclaims how fast that was, we only go about sixty or sixty five. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
On 5/16/2016 9:57 AM, rbowman wrote:
I worked in Ft. Wayne for a year. I'd ride my bicycle 15 or 20 miles looking at soybeans, turn around, and ride back looking at the other side of the soybeans. The wind shifted as soon as I turned too. I'm not sure the modern generation knows how food is produced, and how it gets to the store. Just as happy to see all those soybeans plowed under, and put up a theme park. "Starving clueless kids park". You ever see bumper stickers "No farms; no food". Guess they never went hunting or fishing. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
OT. GM fuel mileage overstated
Stormin Mormon writes:
You ever see bumper stickers "No farms; no food". Guess they never went hunting or fishing. You may wish to consider researching hunter-gatherer societies and the transition to agriculture and the advancements made possible thereby (such as the ability to support much larger populations). If you had to survive on hunting and fishing, you'd not have the abundant leisure time to support your voluminous useless posting and evangelizing. |
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