anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

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On 4/13/2016 9:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


Not sure about the inverters. I have little
experience with those.

As to the scissors jack, you may need to
use an impact driver, as scissor jack
needs a lot of torque.

I wonder if 12 volt DC jacks are made? I've
not seen one. Guess I'm full of non-answers
today? Or maybe not?

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On 4/13/2016 8:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/13/2016 9:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


Not sure about the inverters. I have little
experience with those.

As to the scissors jack, you may need to
use an impact driver, as scissor jack
needs a lot of torque.

I wonder if 12 volt DC jacks are made? I've
not seen one. Guess I'm full of non-answers
today? Or maybe not?

I have a impact driver with a cigarette lighter port. It works very well
getting the lug nuts off the wheel. But not so much for scissors jack.
I experimentally with it to see how well it works. it works sort of but
not very effectively... too slow.

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On 4/14/2016 8:47 PM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
I wonder if 12 volt DC jacks are made? I've
not seen one. Guess I'm full of non-answers
today? Or maybe not?

I have a impact driver with a cigarette lighter port. It works very well
getting the lug nuts off the wheel. But not so much for scissors jack.
I experimentally with it to see how well it works. it works sort of but
not very effectively... too slow.

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Well, there goes another good idea out the
window. I wish someone made a 12 volt jack,
with long enough cord to reach the far
corners of the vehicle. It probably can be
made, but out of the price range of most
peoples needs. Why spend a pile of money on
a jack when you can get AAA and have some
one else change the flat tire?

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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 8:39:23 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/14/2016 8:47 PM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
I wonder if 12 volt DC jacks are made? I've
not seen one. Guess I'm full of non-answers
today? Or maybe not?

I have a impact driver with a cigarette lighter port. It works very well
getting the lug nuts off the wheel. But not so much for scissors jack.
I experimentally with it to see how well it works. it works sort of but
not very effectively... too slow.

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Dilbert Firestorm



Well, there goes another good idea out the
window. I wish someone made a 12 volt jack,
with long enough cord to reach the far
corners of the vehicle. It probably can be
made, but out of the price range of most
peoples needs. Why spend a pile of money on
a jack when you can get AAA and have some
one else change the flat tire?


Please define a "pile of money". Is $60 - $80 a pile of money? (might be
to some, not to others) This is just one of many options available.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Bull-EJ2.../dp/B0027Z6F3W

Some come with cables, some don't. Check the specs before buying a cable.

I don't know if the accessory port can handle the draw, so once again,
check the specs on both the vehicle and the jack. I saw one with the
standard accessory port plug, but the description did not include the
power requirements. I don't know if it will work in a "modern" accessory
port, often rated at just 10 Amps.

Oh, wow. What a pile of money.

That's a real pile of money, for sure.


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On 4/15/2016 9:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 8:39:23 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:


Well, there goes another good idea out the
window. I wish someone made a 12 volt jack,
with long enough cord to reach the far
corners of the vehicle. It probably can be
made, but out of the price range of most
peoples needs. Why spend a pile of money on
a jack when you can get AAA and have some
one else change the flat tire?


Please define a "pile of money". Is $60 - $80 a pile of money? (might be
to some, not to others) This is just one of many options available.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Bull-EJ2.../dp/B0027Z6F3W

Some come with cables, some don't. Check the specs before buying a cable.

I don't know if the accessory port can handle the draw, so once again,
check the specs on both the vehicle and the jack. I saw one with the
standard accessory port plug, but the description did not include the
power requirements. I don't know if it will work in a "modern" accessory
port, often rated at just 10 Amps.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:23:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 8:39:23 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/14/2016 8:47 PM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
I wonder if 12 volt DC jacks are made? I've
not seen one. Guess I'm full of non-answers
today? Or maybe not?

I have a impact driver with a cigarette lighter port. It works very well
getting the lug nuts off the wheel. But not so much for scissors jack.
I experimentally with it to see how well it works. it works sort of but
not very effectively... too slow.

--
Dilbert Firestorm



Well, there goes another good idea out the
window. I wish someone made a 12 volt jack,
with long enough cord to reach the far
corners of the vehicle. It probably can be
made, but out of the price range of most
peoples needs. Why spend a pile of money on
a jack when you can get AAA and have some
one else change the flat tire?


Please define a "pile of money". Is $60 - $80 a pile of money? (might be
to some, not to others) This is just one of many options available.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Bull-EJ2.../dp/B0027Z6F3W

Some come with cables, some don't. Check the specs before buying a cable.

I don't know if the accessory port can handle the draw, so once again,
check the specs on both the vehicle and the jack. I saw one with the
standard accessory port plug, but the description did not include the
power requirements. I don't know if it will work in a "modern" accessory
port, often rated at just 10 Amps.
Says right on the jack - maximum current 18 amps. MOST cars fuse the
"accessory port" at 20 amps. so it SHOULD work - I wouldn't use it on
a truck - max load is 2000 lbs so if you only lift one wheel an inch
or two to change tires it could theoretically work on a 7000 lb
vehicle if weight distribution was close (8000 if it was perfect)

On 4/13/2016 6:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to use as
a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

It would help if you knew the sort of load involved.
Motors tend to be poorly behaved loads.

On 4/13/2016 9:52 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/13/2016 6:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck
to use as
a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

It would help if you knew the sort of load involved.
Motors tend to be poorly behaved loads.


Watt?

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On 4/13/2016 8:52 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/13/2016 6:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck
to use as
a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

It would help if you knew the sort of load involved.
Motors tend to be poorly behaved loads.

this is actually an open question. I don't know the loads need to
run/power a corded power drill. I've yet to get a corded power drill.

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On 4/13/2016 9:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


I bid on two inverters on Ebay. Some how, I had
two winning bids. Both 750 watt. One Husky, and
one Vector. They looked identical, except for
the brand. This was my old furnace, which got
replaced in 2004. The plan was to use a marine
battery to power the furnace for an hour or so,
if the power was out. Find out that the inverter
didn't have enough power to run the blower fan
on the furnace. Makes me wonder what size of
inverter and drill would run a scissor jack?

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:59:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 4/13/2016 9:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


I bid on two inverters on Ebay. Some how, I had
two winning bids. Both 750 watt. One Husky, and
one Vector. They looked identical, except for
the brand. This was my old furnace, which got
replaced in 2004. The plan was to use a marine
battery to power the furnace for an hour or so,
if the power was out. Find out that the inverter
didn't have enough power to run the blower fan
on the furnace. Makes me wonder what size of
inverter and drill would run a scissor jack?

I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.

On 4/13/2016 11:35 AM, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:59:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
if the power was out. Find out that the inverter
didn't have enough power to run the blower fan
on the furnace. Makes me wonder what size of
inverter and drill would run a scissor jack?

I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.


Since that time, I think I've found out that the
12 volt DC wires they supply are under sized. One
other friend had similar problem, using under size
DC wires. I wonder if you had under sized DC wires?

If you have VOM and a clamp on ammeter for AC, perhaps
you can do some tests, and we can all learn.

I'd do a test on my new furnace, but don't want to risk
frying a circuit board on modified sine power.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:41:23 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 4/13/2016 11:35 AM, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:59:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
if the power was out. Find out that the inverter
didn't have enough power to run the blower fan
on the furnace. Makes me wonder what size of
inverter and drill would run a scissor jack?

I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.


Since that time, I think I've found out that the
12 volt DC wires they supply are under sized. One
other friend had similar problem, using under size
DC wires. I wonder if you had under sized DC wires?

Well the rating on the converter was far less than that simple drill
required. I had underestimated what the drill needed.

If you have VOM and a clamp on ammeter for AC, perhaps
you can do some tests, and we can all learn.

I'd do a test on my new furnace, but don't want to risk
frying a circuit board on modified sine power.

On 4/13/2016 6:11 PM, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:41:23 -0400, Stormin Mormon

Since that time, I think I've found out that the
12 volt DC wires they supply are under sized. One
other friend had similar problem, using under size
DC wires. I wonder if you had under sized DC wires?

Well the rating on the converter was far less than that simple drill
required. I had underestimated what the drill needed.

Motors can be rough on invertes. Big start
up current. What was the rating of the
inverter, and of the drill?



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"Micky" wrote in message

stuff snipped

I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.

There's always more than one way to pare a possum!

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:52:01 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Micky" wrote in message

stuff snipped

I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.

There's always more than one way to pare a possum!

One could say that I should have touched it first, and found right
away that it came off, but I was eager to use my inverter ($10 iirc)
and I did learn about its limitations, which I would not have
otherwise.

On 4/14/2016 2:18 PM, Micky wrote:
One could say that I should have touched it first, and found right
away that it came off, but I was eager to use my inverter ($10 iirc)
and I did learn about its limitations, which I would not have
otherwise.


Many of my life's memories have been from experience.
I'd post one now and again to this list, but few
would learn from it. And those few are the ones
who already know what they are doing.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:35:27 -0400, Micky
wrote:


I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.

Same thing happened to me years ago. I have a small inverter that runs
my laptop computer just fine. But I wanted to drill a hole in my
mailbox, to replace the cheap plastic flag with a sturdy metal one I
saved from another mailbox that was junk. The drill just kicked the
inverters reset.

At the time I did not have a cordless drill, but that would have worked
fine. I just removed the mailbox from the post and took it to the garage
to install the flag. More work that way, but it did the job.

Motors have high starting current. Maybe the drill says 6 amps, but it
may need double that amount to start. Drills are not as bad as big
motors though. Motors with a start-capacitor need less amps to start,
but all of them still have a high draw when they start. Thats why your
house lights may flicker when a well pump, air compressor or other large
motor kicks on.

Read the amps on your drill, get an inverter that is double that amount,
and add a little more. Example, if the drill needs 6A, get a 15A
inverter.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:35:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:35:27 -0400, Micky
wrote:


I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.

Same thing happened to me years ago. I have a small inverter that runs
my laptop computer just fine. But I wanted to drill a hole in my
mailbox, to replace the cheap plastic flag with a sturdy metal one I
saved from another mailbox that was junk. The drill just kicked the
inverters reset.

At the time I did not have a cordless drill, but that would have worked
fine. I just removed the mailbox from the post and took it to the garage
to install the flag. More work that way, but it did the job.

Motors have high starting current. Maybe the drill says 6 amps, but it
may need double that amount to start. Drills are not as bad as big
motors though. Motors with a start-capacitor need less amps to start,
but all of them still have a high draw when they start. Thats why your
house lights may flicker when a well pump, air compressor or other large
motor kicks on.

Read the amps on your drill, get an inverter that is double that amount,
and add a little more. Example, if the drill needs 6A, get a 15A
inverter.

Generally the very inefficient "universal" motors in drills do not
draw as much extra starting current as AC motors do. Induction motors
are the big culprits. (Universal motors are basically compounded
mnotors - mostly series but with a shunt component that helps regulate
speed - and the series resistance (which is part of the reason they
are about as efficient as an infernal combustion motor) of the motor
helps limit starting current.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:35:13 -0400, wrote:


Motors have high starting current. Maybe the drill says 6 amps, but it
may need double that amount to start. Drills are not as bad as big
motors though. Motors with a start-capacitor need less amps to start,
but all of them still have a high draw when they start. Thats why your
house lights may flicker when a well pump, air compressor or other large
motor kicks on.

Read the amps on your drill, get an inverter that is double that amount,
and add a little more. Example, if the drill needs 6A, get a 15A
inverter.

Good to know. Around my townhouse with the little yard, and even
going to the car which would be right in front of most of the houses
but is farther away in my case, I have a 100' extension cord. Reaches
all the way from the front of the house to the back corner of the back
yard. Of course that wouldn't reach to the woods 10 blocks away, but
that project is over.

On 4/14/2016 2:21 PM, Micky wrote:
Good to know. Around my townhouse with the little yard, and even
going to the car which would be right in front of most of the houses
but is farther away in my case, I have a 100' extension cord. Reaches
all the way from the front of the house to the back corner of the back
yard. Of course that wouldn't reach to the woods 10 blocks away, but
that project is over.


Gasoline power generator can sure be
handy to have. Might be able to borrow
one from a friend, if not already
owned. My generator helped keep me
warm during the 2003 ice storm. Wire the
furnace to a power cord which I cut of
a curbside device of some kind, years
ago. Extension cords. Generator outdoors
away from the house. Chained down.

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On 4/13/2016 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:35:27 -0400, Micky
wrote:

I bought some tiny inverter because it was cheap, and took it out to
the edge of the woods to run an electric drill. How much could a
small drill use, I thought. The inverter was nowhere near big enough.
I was going to drill a hole in the pine-cone shaped post cap of a
chain link fence. When the drill didnt' work, I touched it and
realized it would come right off with no effort. So I took it home
and drilled the hole.
Same thing happened to me years ago. I have a small inverter that runs
my laptop computer just fine. But I wanted to drill a hole in my
mailbox, to replace the cheap plastic flag with a sturdy metal one I
saved from another mailbox that was junk. The drill just kicked the
inverters reset.

At the time I did not have a cordless drill, but that would have worked
fine. I just removed the mailbox from the post and took it to the garage
to install the flag. More work that way, but it did the job.

Motors have high starting current. Maybe the drill says 6 amps, but it
may need double that amount to start. Drills are not as bad as big
motors though. Motors with a start-capacitor need less amps to start,
but all of them still have a high draw when they start. Thats why your
house lights may flicker when a well pump, air compressor or other large
motor kicks on.

Read the amps on your drill, get an inverter that is double that amount,
and add a little more. Example, if the drill needs 6A, get a 15A
inverter.


that's a good tip to know.

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:59:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 4/13/2016 9:46 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


I bid on two inverters on Ebay. Some how, I had
two winning bids. Both 750 watt. One Husky, and
one Vector. They looked identical, except for
the brand. This was my old furnace, which got
replaced in 2004. The plan was to use a marine
battery to power the furnace for an hour or so,
if the power was out. Find out that the inverter
didn't have enough power to run the blower fan
on the furnace. Makes me wonder what size of
inverter and drill would run a scissor jack?
Easy enoiugh to figure out. What is the peak power draw on a half
inch low speed drill? My Makita is rated at 6.3 amps - so 750 watts.
Being a universal brush type motor it MIGHT draw1500 watts starting
into a load. I'd say a 2500 watt inverter would work just fine. Might
get away with a 1750

About the same as would be required to run a coleman furnace in a
trailer.

"dilbert firestorm" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.


YOu may just want to look for a 12 volt impact driver.

On 4/13/2016 9:18 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"dilbert firestorm" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

YOu may just want to look for a 12 volt impact driver.


I have one, it does not work that well on scissors jack. Lug nuts, yes.

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:56:44 -0500, dilbert firestorm
wrote:

On 4/13/2016 9:18 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"dilbert firestorm" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

YOu may just want to look for a 12 volt impact driver.


I have one, it does not work that well on scissors jack. Lug nuts, yes.
I bought one, tried it once and returned it. Nowhere nEAR what I
nhave grown accustomed to with an air impact. . .

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 9:46:23 AM UTC-4, dilbert firestorm wrote:
anyone recommend a good power invertor?

just looking for something to power a corded power drill from a truck to
use as a sort of a power jack on the scissors jack.

These guys do cars (not trucks) with cordless drills. Seems like no trouble
at all for the drill. Not sure how big your truck is...

http://lifehacker.com/5766205/lift-y...r-with-a-drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTSsGaHXTlA

If you really want to use a corded drill you would need to know how much
power the drill will draw and then match the inverter to that.

You'll also need to know how you are going to attach the invert to
the truck. Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to. It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

I'm not recommending HF inverters, but this page shows what I mean. Anything
above 80 watts continuous either comes with clip leads or no leads at all,
meaning that you have to come up with your own connection scheme.

http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...inverters.html

I just bought this one, but it is only used to power the Fast Charger
for my smartphone, which requires AC. (USB only charges at the slow rate)

http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...ter-66944.html

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

To what end? How many people actually need more power than the modern
accessory sockets provide?

Oh, BTW, do you think that they would just give away that "tiny bit of
money"? No, they would raise the price of the vehicle. I don't need to
pay more for my vehicles just because you plan on (stinking up your's by)
taking up cigars.



And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

On 4/13/2016 11:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

To what end? How many people actually need more power than the modern
accessory sockets provide?

Oh, BTW, do you think that they would just give away that "tiny bit of
money"? No, they would raise the price of the vehicle.[And if they make a zillion units of the vehicle, the gross exense to the company is sizable.] I don't need to
pay more for my vehicles just because you plan on (stinking up your's by)
taking up cigars.



And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

Posted inline, as your comment also was.

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On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/13/2016 11:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

To what end? How many people actually need more power than the modern
accessory sockets provide?

Oh, BTW, do you think that they would just give away that "tiny bit of
money"? No, they would raise the price of the vehicle.[And if they make a zillion units of the vehicle, the gross exense to the company is sizable.] I don't need to
pay more for my vehicles just because you plan on (stinking up your's by)
taking up cigars.



And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

Posted inline, as your comment also was.


Are you bragging that you've finally *come close* to posting correcting?

I say *come close* because I did not post my response the middle of a
paragraph like you did. I posted in the appropriate section, on a line
by itself.

You'll figure it out, eventually. Feel free to brag when you do.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:04:39 -0400, Stormin Moron
wrote:



Posted inline, as your comment also was.
Posted inline??
You didn't post ANYTHING of an value - inline or not
And you didn't trim anything either.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

To what end? How many people actually need more power than the modern
accessory sockets provide?

I do.

Oh, BTW, do you think that they would just give away that "tiny bit of
money"? No, they would raise the price of the vehicle. I don't need to
pay more for my vehicles just because you plan on (stinking up your's by)
taking up cigars.

If you're going to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs.



And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 6:13:28 PM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

To what end? How many people actually need more power than the modern
accessory sockets provide?

I do.

....and that's why they sell inverters and the cables required to hook them to the battery:
for those that need extra power. (BTW I have a 1000 watt inverter and the cables required
to hook it to the battery. However, I don't think that everyone should pay extra for a heavy
duty accessory port just because some of us need more power.)

Oh, BTW, do you think that they would just give away that "tiny bit of
money"? No, they would raise the price of the vehicle. I don't need to
pay more for my vehicles just because you plan on (stinking up your's by)
taking up cigars.

If you're going to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs.

....and how does that apply to this situation?




And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

On 4/13/2016 5:13 PM, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

If you're going to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs.

are you cooking for us?

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:40:12 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.
A lot of the "heavy" wires years ago just had thicker insulation. The
newer insulation is thinner for the same effectiveness.

Everything today is built as lightly as possible - with the American
manufacturers being every bit as "guilty" as the Japanese.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:09:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:40:12 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

A lot of the "heavy" wires years ago just had thicker insulation. The
newer insulation is thinner for the same effectiveness.

I've stripped and spliced and soldered wires in most of my cars and
the metal part of these new wires are definitely thinner.

Everything today is built as lightly as possible - with the American
manufacturers being every bit as "guilty" as the Japanese.

That's what I was afraid of.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:15:27 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:09:01 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:40:12 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Most accessory plugs these days can't able handle the loads
they used to.

That stinks. They can't spend a tiny bit of money on a thicker
wire?

And I was going to take up cigars.

My 2000 Toyota has pretty much nothing but thin wires, while the 95
Chrysler and everything before it had much heavier wires everywhere.
Have American cars degenerated too? Or is it just Toyota and maybe
Japanese?


It seems like most inverter manufacturers have taken this
into account and no longer offer "accessory plugs" on anything other than
their smallest models. Anything of decent size has to be connected directly
to the battery or to wires from the battery that are of substantial gauge.

A lot of the "heavy" wires years ago just had thicker insulation. The
newer insulation is thinner for the same effectiveness.

I've stripped and spliced and soldered wires in most of my cars and
the metal part of these new wires are definitely thinner.

Everything today is built as lightly as possible - with the American
manufacturers being every bit as "guilty" as the Japanese.

That's what I was afraid of.
You want to see the wires in an airplane. The wiring in most older
cars - American or not, was grossly over-sized - to make sure there
was enough conductor left after corrosion attacked the conductors.

With newer sealed connectors that is less of a problem.. The wires in
today's vehicles are sized for the anticipated load.

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Everything today is built as lightly as possible - with the American
manufacturers being every bit as "guilty" as the Japanese.

Got some alleged 12ga speaker wire from Ebay. It was the right diameter
OUTSIDE for 12ga wire, but inside was perhaps 18ga wire. The thick jacket
was just for show . . .

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