On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:58:12 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:56 -0700, "Ashton Crusher"
wrote:

No, I don't think Trump is a hero. I think very very few so-called
heroes are hero's.. most are just doing their job.

I guess you've never faced danger or when a correctional officer stood
and witnessed, intervened in a brutal stabbing, at risk to
him/herself. Or another similar person in any capacity faced threat of
death in real time. Keep digging, the hole gets deep. Maybe you had a
horse kick you once? Tragic danger. I'm not sure you would know
heroics if you saw it.

They are doing their job. Doing what you were hired to do doesn't
make you a hero. If the guard threw himself on a bomb to save 4 other
people, that would make him a hero because throwing yourself on a bomb
is NOT what you are hired to do. But "keeping the peace" IS what they
are hired to do.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 5:45:28 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:58:12 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:56 -0700, "Ashton Crusher"
wrote:

No, I don't think Trump is a hero. I think very very few so-called
heroes are hero's.. most are just doing their job.

I guess you've never faced danger or when a correctional officer stood
and witnessed, intervened in a brutal stabbing, at risk to
him/herself. Or another similar person in any capacity faced threat of
death in real time. Keep digging, the hole gets deep. Maybe you had a
horse kick you once? Tragic danger. I'm not sure you would know
heroics if you saw it.

They are doing their job. Doing what you were hired to do doesn't
make you a hero. If the guard threw himself on a bomb to save 4 other
people, that would make him a hero because throwing yourself on a bomb
is NOT what you are hired to do. But "keeping the peace" IS what they
are hired to do.

Let's stick to the facts. Flying 23 combat missions over North Vietnam is sufficient to make anyone a hero in my book. If anyone at a public forum
said any of the naval aviators that flew those missions was a hero, I
would not jump up and say "No, they are not" or try to start a debate of who
is and who is not a war hero. What kind of lowlife does it take to launch
that kind of attack? Trump, who used it to attack McCain. It's
what Trump does. He did the same thing with that disabled reporter,
mimicking his disabilities in front of one of his rallies. Was that
cool with you too, would you sit there and watch, laugh instead
of walking out? And to top it off, while McCain
served, was shot down, tortured, and still suffers from disabilities from
his injuries today, Trump avoided the draft with student deferments and
an alleged bum foot that he can no longer remember. For him to say
that John McCain is no war hero may represent you and your values,
I find it shocking and despicable.

Speaking of walking out, that's what some of the folks did last night
at a Trump rally in Wisconsin when Trump started attacking Paul Ryan
and Governor Walker. Here is the guy that's calling for party unity,
and he goes around the state these two Republicans are from, attacking
them. Real smart. Last night he spent the first 10 mins of the GOP
town hall attacking and continuing to vilify Michelle Fields when it's
now be proven via videotape and audio recording that her account of
what happened is basically true. When the story of Lewandowski grabbing
her arm came up, he could have manned up and apologized. Instead he
followed the Trump method. He lied, saying he never touched her and
then he called her a liar, delusional, etc. He even questioned why
if it really happened, did she not report it to the police. So, she
obliged. And now with the video and audio, we know for !00% sure
that Lewandowski was lying. So, again following the Trump method,
he goes on to the next lie, now saying that OK, he did grab her,
but it was because she was a threat to Trump. This is the culture
that Trump has cultivated and it's not a good thing. And today,
Trump is campaigning all over Wisconsin, discussing this whole thing,
continuing to vilify the woman, give a total pass to his lying
campaign manager, etc. Like the voters want to hear another day of
this crap. You heard this here first, Trump will lose Wisconsin.
I think just maybe the Trump freak show has seen it's peak.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Let's stick to the facts. Flying 23 combat missions over North Vietnam is sufficient to make anyone a hero in my book. If anyone at a public forum
said any of the naval aviators that flew those missions was a hero, I
would not jump up and say "No, they are not" or try to start a debate of who
is and who is not a war hero. What kind of lowlife does it take to launch
that kind of attack? Trump, who used it to attack McCain. It's
what Trump does. He did the same thing with that disabled reporter,
mimicking his disabilities in front of one of his rallies. Was that
cool with you too, would you sit there and watch, laugh instead
of walking out? And to top it off, while McCain
served, was shot down, tortured, and still suffers from disabilities from
his injuries today, Trump avoided the draft with student deferments and
an alleged bum foot that he can no longer remember. For him to say
that John McCain is no war hero may represent you and your values,
I find it shocking and despicable.

Speaking of walking out, that's what some of the folks did last night
at a Trump rally in Wisconsin when Trump started attacking Paul Ryan
and Governor Walker. Here is the guy that's calling for party unity,
and he goes around the state these two Republicans are from, attacking
them. Real smart. Last night he spent the first 10 mins of the GOP
town hall attacking and continuing to vilify Michelle Fields when it's
now be proven via videotape and audio recording that her account of
what happened is basically true. When the story of Lewandowski grabbing
her arm came up, he could have manned up and apologized. Instead he
followed the Trump method. He lied, saying he never touched her and
then he called her a liar, delusional, etc. He even questioned why
if it really happened, did she not report it to the police. So, she
obliged. And now with the video and audio, we know for !00% sure
that Lewandowski was lying. So, again following the Trump method,
he goes on to the next lie, now saying that OK, he did grab her,
but it was because she was a threat to Trump. This is the culture
that Trump has cultivated and it's not a good thing. And today,
Trump is campaigning all over Wisconsin, discussing this whole thing,
continuing to vilify the woman, give a total pass to his lying
campaign manager, etc. Like the voters want to hear another day of
this crap. You heard this here first, Trump will lose Wisconsin.
I think just maybe the Trump freak show has seen it's peak.

Fully agree. Trump even made snide remarks about Charles Krauthammer,
something like "the man can't put on his paints" of similar. Charles
is paralyzed and in a wheel chair from a pool diving injury.

Yes, Cruz will stomp Trump in Wisconsin by large numbers. Trump is the
modern day Judas seeking his pieces of silver. Spit.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Let's stick to the facts. Flying 23 combat missions over North Vietnam is sufficient to make anyone a hero in my book. If anyone at a public forum
said any of the naval aviators that flew those missions was a hero, I
would not jump up and say "No, they are not" or try to start a debate of who
is and who is not a war hero. What kind of lowlife does it take to launch
that kind of attack? Trump, who used it to attack McCain. It's
what Trump does. He did the same thing with that disabled reporter,
mimicking his disabilities in front of one of his rallies. Was that
cool with you too, would you sit there and watch, laugh instead
of walking out? And to top it off, while McCain
served, was shot down, tortured, and still suffers from disabilities from
his injuries today, Trump avoided the draft with student deferments and
an alleged bum foot that he can no longer remember. For him to say
that John McCain is no war hero may represent you and your values,
I find it shocking and despicable.

Speaking of walking out, that's what some of the folks did last night
at a Trump rally in Wisconsin when Trump started attacking Paul Ryan
and Governor Walker. Here is the guy that's calling for party unity,
and he goes around the state these two Republicans are from, attacking
them. Real smart. Last night he spent the first 10 mins of the GOP
town hall attacking and continuing to vilify Michelle Fields when it's
now be proven via videotape and audio recording that her account of
what happened is basically true. When the story of Lewandowski grabbing
her arm came up, he could have manned up and apologized. Instead he
followed the Trump method. He lied, saying he never touched her and
then he called her a liar, delusional, etc. He even questioned why
if it really happened, did she not report it to the police. So, she
obliged. And now with the video and audio, we know for !00% sure
that Lewandowski was lying. So, again following the Trump method,
he goes on to the next lie, now saying that OK, he did grab her,
but it was because she was a threat to Trump. This is the culture
that Trump has cultivated and it's not a good thing. And today,
Trump is campaigning all over Wisconsin, discussing this whole thing,
continuing to vilify the woman, give a total pass to his lying
campaign manager, etc. Like the voters want to hear another day of
this crap. You heard this here first, Trump will lose Wisconsin.
I think just maybe the Trump freak show has seen it's peak.

Fully agree. Trump even made snide remarks about Charles Krauthammer,
something like "the man can't put on his paints" of similar. Charles
is paralyzed and in a wheel chair from a pool diving injury.

Yes, Cruz will stomp Trump in Wisconsin by large numbers. Trump is the
modern day Judas seeking his pieces of silver. Spit.

Latest breaking news is that new polls in Wisconsin has Cruz at 40,
Trump at 30, Kasich 21. Looks like all the Rubio voters went to
Cruz and Kasich. Trump was at 30 a month ago.

In the last 24 hours, Trump has:

Continued to go around talking about Lewandowski, continuing to attack
and go after Michelle Fields, while totally ignoring that clearly
Lewandowski is a total liar. Lewandowski said he never even touched
her. Now the video and audio show he's a liar. Best part to that is
that the video came from Trump National's security camera. Now, how
smart is it to start calling the woman a liar, delusional, without
checking the video that you have at a facility you control? ROFL.
This is the management skill that's going to solve problems, bring
people together, make America great. This whole thing would have
been solved the first day by a simple apology from Lewandowski.
Instead, they followed the Trump management methods, lie, attack and
question why if the woman was telling the truth she had not filed a
police report. So, she did what I would do at that point. She obliged
them and filed. Does team Trump feel better now?

Reinforced his position that NATO is obsolete, useless, saying that
we should withdraw from it, Russians in Ukraine, etc don't matter.

Advocated encouraging Japan and South Korea to develop nuclear weapons.
When asked how about Saudi Arabia? He said that was OK too. He went
from saying he was in favor of controlling nuclear proliferation to
saying that it doesn't matter, soon everyone will have them.

Said that a woman should be punished for having an illegal abortion,
then 24 hours later completely reversed himself on that.

I wonder how many people noticed his answer at the town hall about
how his path to great wealth was enabled by his father. He said,
"I started out with very little. All my father did was loan me
$1 mil". Adjusted for inflation, that's about $4 mil today. And
then he said his father's assets, which he later inherited, were
not that much. He was a builder in Brooklyn and Queens, not
Manhattan. I've seen estimates that it was ~$40 mil that he
inherited. I guess unless it's Manhattan scale wealth, it just
doesn't matter to the Donald.

He also managed to say "excuse me" 18 times in an hour to Anderson
Cooper. Probably qualifies for some kind of record. A person in
the audience asked him to give an example of when he apologized for
something. He meandered, "I'll apologize when I'm wrong".
When finally pressed by AC to give an example, he said he remembers
apologizing to his mother for using cuss words. Wow, only example
is from 60 years ago. I guess Michelle Fields or Heidi Cruz won't
be getting an apology anytime soon.

On 03/31/2016 07:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Reinforced his position that NATO is obsolete, useless, saying that
we should withdraw from it, Russians in Ukraine, etc don't matter.

NATO is obsolete. Eisenhower thought the US should withdraw after the
European nations got back on their feet and could handle their own
defense. Instead, after the breakup of the USSR, the US spearheaded the
effort to suck in the former satellite republics, right up the the
Russian border. Clinton and here minions engineered the situation in
Ukraine.

Many of the European nations see Russia as a worthwhile trading power,
not a threat. However the entrenched bureaucracy in the US is still
fighting the Cold War. There's money to be made. To justify a mess like
the F-35, which has more software bugs that Windows 10, you need an enemy.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 07:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Reinforced his position that NATO is obsolete, useless, saying that
we should withdraw from it, Russians in Ukraine, etc don't matter.

NATO is obsolete. Eisenhower thought the US should withdraw after the
European nations got back on their feet and could handle their own
defense. Instead, after the breakup of the USSR, the US spearheaded the
effort to suck in the former satellite republics, right up the the
Russian border. Clinton and here minions engineered the situation in
Ukraine.

Many of the European nations see Russia as a worthwhile trading power,
not a threat. However the entrenched bureaucracy in the US is still
fighting the Cold War. There's money to be made. To justify a mess like
the F-35, which has more software bugs that Windows 10, you need an enemy.

Sure, and I suppose those Russian troops that invaded half of Ukraine,
shot down MH17 are just there for a picnic, right? Wise up. We're
only at the point of a new Cold War because of Putin. And if that's
not the case, why are all those trading partners in Europe on board
with sanctions? Would be easy to just say, Go Putin Go!

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Latest breaking news is that new polls in Wisconsin has Cruz at 40,
Trump at 30, Kasich 21. Looks like all the Rubio voters went to
Cruz and Kasich. Trump was at 30 a month ago.

Betting odds are much higher number for Cruz in WI to win. 71.4% to
Trump's 21.4%.

Trump wins every thing trough March 26th. PA could be a problem for
him though because of the state laws. Delegates (some) are not bound
on the first convention ballot in July, IIUC.

The barn gets burned down in July

Karl Rove talks some numbers.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4825172882001/karl-rove-explains-how-a-contested-convention-would-work/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/hwkmg5d

Per Oren:
Trump wins every thing trough March 26th. PA could be a problem for
him though because of the state laws. Delegates (some) are not bound
on the first convention ballot in July, IIUC.

The barn gets burned down in July

Are there any critical "make-or-break" dates coming up within the next
couple of weeks? i.e. If the cards fall in his favor, could Trump
become a done deal anytime soon.
--
Pete Cresswell

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:58:12 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:56 -0700, "Ashton Crusher"
wrote:

No, I don't think Trump is a hero. I think very very few so-called
heroes are hero's.. most are just doing their job.

I guess you've never faced danger or when a correctional officer stood
and witnessed, intervened in a brutal stabbing, at risk to
him/herself. Or another similar person in any capacity faced threat of
death in real time. Keep digging, the hole gets deep. Maybe you had a
horse kick you once? Tragic danger. I'm not sure you would know
heroics if you saw it.

They are doing their job. Doing what you were hired to do doesn't
make you a hero. If the guard threw himself on a bomb to save 4 other
people, that would make him a hero because throwing yourself on a bomb
is NOT what you are hired to do. But "keeping the peace" IS what they
are hired to do.

I have the same view as AC. I definitely don't like the way the media and the rest of the Reps & Dems are all ganging up on Trump. That sounds like a conspiracy to me.

I just heard an interview with the guy running the "stop Trump" campaign in Calif. The question was - if so many people are voting for Trump, why do you want to stop him? And he never answered - he just kept saying 'we can't let him win' in various ways. And the reporter let him get away with it.

To me, Cruz looks good on paper and has the establishment Repo's behind him. I think the way he handled the Inquirer story did him in, though. Unless he comes out and says straight out that he did not have the affairs, he's toast.

Right now, I'm leaning toward Kasich because I don't think Clinton is seen as being trustworthy and a Sanders win could send the economy into a tailspin followed by a massive movement of capital and factories moving offshore.

So.... I've voting for Kasich. Looking at nearly all of the polls in a Kasich-Clinton or Kasich-Sanders race, Kasich is by far the winner.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...lls/president/

"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message ...
"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:58:12 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:56 -0700, "Ashton Crusher"
wrote:

No, I don't think Trump is a hero. I think very very few so-called
heroes are hero's.. most are just doing their job.

I guess you've never faced danger or when a correctional officer stood
and witnessed, intervened in a brutal stabbing, at risk to
him/herself. Or another similar person in any capacity faced threat of
death in real time. Keep digging, the hole gets deep. Maybe you had a
horse kick you once? Tragic danger. I'm not sure you would know
heroics if you saw it.

They are doing their job. Doing what you were hired to do doesn't
make you a hero. If the guard threw himself on a bomb to save 4 other
people, that would make him a hero because throwing yourself on a bomb
is NOT what you are hired to do. But "keeping the peace" IS what they
are hired to do.

I have the same view as AC. I definitely don't like the way the media and the rest of the Reps & Dems are all ganging up on Trump. That sounds like a conspiracy to me.

I just heard an interview with the guy running the "stop Trump" campaign in Calif. The question was - if so many people are voting for Trump, why do you want to stop him? And he never answered - he just kept saying 'we can't let him win' in various ways. And the reporter let him get away with it.

To me, Cruz looks good on paper and has the establishment Repo's behind him. I think the way he handled the Inquirer story did him in, though. Unless he comes out and says straight out that he did not have the affairs, he's toast.

Right now, I'm leaning toward Kasich because I don't think Clinton is seen as being trustworthy and a Sanders win could send the economy into a tailspin followed by a massive movement of capital and factories moving offshore.

So.... I've voting for Kasich. Looking at nearly all of the polls in a Kasich-Clinton or Kasich-Sanders race, Kasich is by far the winner.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...lls/president/

----

Forgot to say.... one side is down on Trump for supposedly dealing with the mob-controlled unions. The other side is down about how he supposedly hired non-union laborers to build Trump Tower. The old boy can't win.

On 03/31/2016 02:05 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Right now, I'm leaning toward Kasich because I don't think Clinton is seen as being trustworthy and a Sanders win could send the economy into a tailspin followed by a massive movement of capital and factories moving offshore.

You mean like the massive movement of capital and factories that moved
off shore under every president since GHWB?

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 9:09:39 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 02:05 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Right now, I'm leaning toward Kasich because I don't think Clinton is seen as being trustworthy and a Sanders win could send the economy into a tailspin followed by a massive movement of capital and factories moving offshore.

You mean like the massive movement of capital and factories that moved
off shore under every president since GHWB?

We've been losing factories, jobs, overseas since the 60s. What happened
to the auto makers, for example, in the 70s with competition from Japan?
It's what happens when the world slowly changes, countries that were
rubble after WWII become economic powers.

On 04/01/2016 07:34 AM, trader_4 wrote:
We've been losing factories, jobs, overseas since the 60s. What happened
to the auto makers, for example, in the 70s with competition from Japan?
It's what happens when the world slowly changes, countries that were
rubble after WWII become economic powers.

When both parties are in love with free trade and globalism they can
turn a nation into a third world country.

"rbowman" wrote in message ...
On 03/31/2016 02:05 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
Right now, I'm leaning toward Kasich because I don't think Clinton is seen as being trustworthy and a Sanders win could send the economy into a tailspin followed by a massive movement of capital and factories moving offshore.

You mean like the massive movement of capital and factories that moved
off shore under every president since GHWB?

Yes, the same, just different reasons. I'm a little worried what effect a socialist mentality would have on corp America.

If you owned a labor-intensive company and was staying in the US because of patriotism and loyalty to employees, and then a socialist took over talking about increasing corp taxes and promoting more labor unions....

On 04/01/2016 04:45 PM, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
If you owned a labor-intensive company and was staying in the US because of patriotism and loyalty to employees, and then a socialist took over talking about increasing corp taxes and promoting more labor unions....

First, you've got to find one of those unicorns. If companies had any
loyalty to anything but their profits you wouldn't have middle America
****ed off and supporting either Sanders or Trump depending on their
natural bent.

A lot of people have noticed the rising tide only floats yachts.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 4:03:04 PM UTC-4, Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:58:12 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:56:56 -0700, "Ashton Crusher"
wrote:

No, I don't think Trump is a hero. I think very very few so-called
heroes are hero's.. most are just doing their job.

I guess you've never faced danger or when a correctional officer stood
and witnessed, intervened in a brutal stabbing, at risk to
him/herself. Or another similar person in any capacity faced threat of
death in real time. Keep digging, the hole gets deep. Maybe you had a
horse kick you once? Tragic danger. I'm not sure you would know
heroics if you saw it.

They are doing their job. Doing what you were hired to do doesn't
make you a hero. If the guard threw himself on a bomb to save 4 other
people, that would make him a hero because throwing yourself on a bomb
is NOT what you are hired to do. But "keeping the peace" IS what they
are hired to do.

I have the same view as AC. I definitely don't like the way the media and the rest of the Reps & Dems are all ganging up on Trump. That sounds like a conspiracy to me.


And it has nothing at all to do with what Trump is saying, Trump is doing, etc,
right? I've provided a long list of the specifics of why Trump isn't a
real Republican, isn't a conservative, isn't fit to be president. Am I
part of that conspiracy too?



I just heard an interview with the guy running the "stop Trump" campaign in Calif. The question was - if so many people are voting for Trump, why do you want to stop him? And he never answered - he just kept saying 'we can't let him win' in various ways. And the reporter let him get away with it.

On 04/01/2016 07:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
And it has nothing at all to do with what Trump is saying, Trump is doing, etc,
right? I've provided a long list of the specifics of why Trump isn't a
real Republican, isn't a conservative, isn't fit to be president. Am I
part of that conspiracy too?

Yup.