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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from
this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 15:44:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? Wrot copper fittings are cold formed in a mold. Pipe is extruded. If you don't lacquer them or something they will both tarnish. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On 3/26/2016 6:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Two factors. They use a slightly different alloy in each and the manufacturing process is different. I believe that is a bit of zinc in the fitting to make them easier to form. Not enough to be called brass though. May be some other alloys too. Many years since I was involved it that. We used different copper tubing to form return bends for coils than we used for the tubes but I did not buy the material so I don't know the specs. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:50:15 -0500, RonNNN wrote:
In article , says... I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Try Brasso. That wasn't the question. Sheesh. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On 3/26/16 7:25 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:50:15 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Try Brasso. That wasn't the question. Sheesh. Schools are increasingly emphasizing self-esteem building and inclusiveness indoctrination over reading comprehension and critical thinking skills... -- There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men. - Robert A. Heinlein |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 7:25:58 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:50:15 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Try Brasso. That wasn't the question. Sheesh. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 7:25:58 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:50:15 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Try Brasso. That wasn't the question. Sheesh. Well, in his defense, I did ask how to get the pipe to match the fittings. In fact, I even said that getting them to match was more important than why there was a difference in color. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
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says... On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 7:25:58 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:50:15 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg Try Brasso. That wasn't the question. Sheesh. Well, in his defense, I did ask how to get the pipe to match the fittings. In fact, I even said that getting them to match was more important than why there was a difference in color. Thank you. I did try and offer an answer to the "more important" question. -- RonNNN |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: Well, in his defense, I did ask how to get the pipe to match the fittings. In fact, I even said that getting them to match was more important than why there was a difference in color. Rub a section with ketchup or other acidic tomatoes sauce, let sit and clean after. Do they match? I have an old brass boat prop I may use it on. Dry and spray with shellac. I guess climate change makes things look different :) |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 19:48:31 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote: Schools are increasingly emphasizing self-esteem building and inclusiveness indoctrination over reading comprehension and critical thinking skills... A 12 year old girl in Florida was just arrested for pinching a boy on the butt. I quit government school at 16, went out into the real world and made my bones.. Times have changed. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
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says... On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: Well, in his defense, I did ask how to get the pipe to match the fittings. In fact, I even said that getting them to match was more important than why there was a difference in color. Rub a section with ketchup or other acidic tomatoes sauce, let sit and clean after. Do they match? I have an old brass boat prop I may use it on. Dry and spray with shellac. I guess climate change makes things look different :) Your apology noted. -- RonNNN |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On 3/26/2016 8:13 PM, Oren wrote:
I guess climate change makes things look different :) It's Al Gore's fault? - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 5:44:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe.. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg I think the fittings are put into a tumbler with some sort of shot or stones to clean and polish them a lot like you'd polish gems. My guess is that it's done to make the fittings easier to solder by cleaning all the oxidation off of them. The cleaner the fittings are to start with, the quicker you can prep the inside surface with a wire brush. When I was running a lot of copper pipe, I used sand cloth to clean the ends before soldering. When I built some control systems where I used 1/4" copper tubing to run to the gauges and valves, I used a brass polish that put a protective coating on the copper pipe which resisted further oxidation. The soft copper pipe I've polished was more red in color than the fittings. My guess is that the soft copper pipe is a different alloy than the fittings but the hard copper pipe is closer to the color of the fittings when polished. If you want to make your project pretty, you can use some fine sandpaper to start with to get the printing and oxidation off the pipe followed by some brass polish. If you have a bench grinder, put a buffer wheel on it and go nuts on the pipe. If you're making something pretty, you can get a tube of paste solder which is flux with solder powder mixed in. Put a little on the inside surface of the fitting and smear a bit on the end of the pipe. You can gently heat the joint to solder it without discoloring the copper and getting solder all over your fitting. ^_^ Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O [8~{} Uncle Pipe Monster. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:42:01 -0500, RonNNN wrote:
In article , says... Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O My guess is a moonshine still. not with soldered joints I hope |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg How do they compare after an acid wash? |
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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:16:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg How do they compare after an acid wash? Wrought copper fittings are c12200 alloy.12200 is 99.90% pure copper with phosphorous added to deoxidize.. Seamless copper pipe may be manufactured from any of five (5) copper alloys (C10200, C10300, C10800, C12000, C12200) that all conform to the chemical composition requirements of alloys containing a minimum of 99.9% Copper (Cu) and a maximum of 0.04% Phosphorous (P). About the only difference chemically between the alloys is the amount of phosphorous remaining in the alloy. The manufacturing process - drawn vs wrought, will produce varying grain structures, and the temper will also change the grain structure - which will cause variation in the colour of the copper as produced. Some of the colour variability can be reduced by removing the "mill finish" and oxides by polishing, but different grain structures will reflect light differently, producing different colour effects.. Soft drawn (flexible /annealed) copper tubing will more closely match the colour of the wrought copper fittings available today. Years ago the majority of copper plumbing fittings more closely matched the colour of Type K, L, and M hard copper, while today they more closely match the soft copper, leading me to believe they have changed the production method used for producing the fittings. I HAVE noticed the newer fittings are lighter and appear to be softer than the fittings I grew up with. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
Newer fittings are "lighter", in color or in weight or both?
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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:21:45 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:09:36 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:42:01 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O My guess is a moonshine still. not with soldered joints I hope Lead free silver solder. Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. I really like glass for this but the size is somewhat limited. I have used 5 gallon water bottles back when they were glass but you have to be real careful bringing up the heat slowly and more importantly, letting them cool down slowly. You can pour the mash out OK but let them sit on a dry block of wood or something until they are just warm to the touch before you load the next batch. I had a copper end cap that was just a nice friction fit in the hole, inverted and a hole in that for a 1/2" soft copper coil. I leaked a little but it worked. You can cascade another one behind that for a "thumper" if you really want to get sophisticated. The stuff coming out of the thumper will burn in your lighter. |
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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
wrote in message ... not with soldered joints I hope Lead free silver solder. Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. There is drinking whiskey and selling whiskey. If selling, they do not care about the lead that might come out of the solder. About 30 years ago the wife and I was watching some show about moonshing and they mentioned the lead solder. I told her that one day someone is going to complain about the lead in the solder in the pipes in many of the houses in the US. About 10 years later someone picked up on this. Now with all the lead scare, many of the electronic devices are going to last a few years and then quit because of the tin whiskers. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 5:44:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg ....might I suggest the look of this: http://tinyurl.com/h6g8chy |
SOME GUY CALLED DERBY DAD ASKS: "Why are copper fittings brighterthan copper pipe?"
On 3/26/2016 3:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Well, that's easily explained. The old copper is duller than the new stuff. I've done lotsa work with copper. You might even call me a copper buff. Any more questions? |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 12:37:04 PM UTC-4, bob_villain wrote:
On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 5:44:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg ...might I suggest the look of this: http://tinyurl.com/h6g8chy You might suggest it, but we've already decided on (and purchased) galvanized floor flanges, copper pipe and brass pot hooks. It's the look SWMBO wants and it's the look SWMBO is going to get. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:52:08 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:21:45 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:09:36 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:42:01 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O My guess is a moonshine still. not with soldered joints I hope Lead free silver solder. Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. Silver solder is used in commercial stills - along with brazing.. Pretty hard to make a "kettle" without soldering or brazing - an expert can roll and beed the joints and get them ALMOST hooch-tite - but any leak will cause the still to blow - so the outside of even a well rolled seam will be soldered. I really like glass for this but the size is somewhat limited. I have used 5 gallon water bottles back when they were glass but you have to be real careful bringing up the heat slowly and more importantly, letting them cool down slowly. You can pour the mash out OK but let them sit on a dry block of wood or something until they are just warm to the touch before you load the next batch. I had a copper end cap that was just a nice friction fit in the hole, inverted and a hole in that for a 1/2" soft copper coil. I leaked a little but it worked. You can cascade another one behind that for a "thumper" if you really want to get sophisticated. The stuff coming out of the thumper will burn in your lighter. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 07:58:08 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: So I ordered one of these which should allow for a nice flush hang. http://www.hooksandlattice.com/hanging-clips.html A 2' length is twice the cost of the OOK cleat, but it'll be worth the extra cost. The weakest point, regarding weight, is the attachment of the cleat to the frame in the routed out channel. That is the area where I will have the least wood, therefore the shortest screws. My plan is use some type of adhesive along with screws just to be safe. Cousin Hanging Monster Why not use a piece of hardwood lagged to the wall with a dovetail cut across the back of the frame - screw the frame to the hardwood cleat with screws behind the floor flanges. Cut the hardwood cleat with an angle to fit the dovetail cut.. You can blind dove-tail so it doesn't show at the end of the frame.. Every bit as strong as the hardware solution - and you can truthfully say you made it all yourself. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:12:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Newer fittings are "lighter", in color or in weight or both? my experience is both. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 12:37:04 PM UTC-4, bob_villain wrote: On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 5:44:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg ...might I suggest the look of this: http://tinyurl.com/h6g8chy You might suggest it, but we've already decided on (and purchased) galvanized floor flanges, copper pipe and brass pot hooks. It's the look SWMBO wants and it's the look SWMBO is going to get. Don't let her see the brass flanges or you'll end up with a "change order" and a trip to return the galvanized fittings. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 1:38:49 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 12:37:04 PM UTC-4, bob_villain wrote: On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 5:44:13 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: I'm going to be building something - not plumbing - with 3/4" copper pipe. As you can see from this image, the pipe is a different "color" than the fittings. The fittings are bright copper, the pipe itself is much duller. Anybody know why that is or more importantly, how to shine up the pipe so that it matches the fittings? http://tinyurl.com/CopperPipeColor Full link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psxbg1l4fw.jpg ...might I suggest the look of this: http://tinyurl.com/h6g8chy You might suggest it, but we've already decided on (and purchased) galvanized floor flanges, copper pipe and brass pot hooks. It's the look SWMBO wants and it's the look SWMBO is going to get. Certainly, don't show her...or she may change her mind! |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:01:09 -0400, wrote:
Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. Silver solder is used in commercial stills - along with brazing.. Pretty hard to make a "kettle" without soldering or brazing - an expert can roll and beed the joints and get them ALMOST hooch-tite - but any leak will cause the still to blow - so the outside of even a well rolled seam will be soldered. Plenty of information, videos, still kits, and recipes for shine. Legal to make but you can't sell it. This site now has a already made stainless steel still (new addition) http://www.clawhammersupply.com/) Easier now days to buy at the local shop (Apple & Peach pie shine) |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On 3/27/2016 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:52:08 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:21:45 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:09:36 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:42:01 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O My guess is a moonshine still. not with soldered joints I hope Lead free silver solder. Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. Silver solder is used in commercial stills - along with brazing.. Pretty hard to make a "kettle" without soldering or brazing - an expert can roll and beed the joi[When I did HVAC, we had lead free solder for water copper, such as replacing water heaters.]nts and get them ALMOST hooch-tite - but any leak will cause the still to blow - so the outside of even a well rolled seam will be soldered. I really like glass for this but the size is somewhat limited. I have used 5 gallon water bottles back when they were glass but you have to be real careful bringing up the heat slowly and more importantly, letting them cool down slowly. You can pour the mash out OK but let them sit on a dry block of wood or something until they are just warm to the touch before you load the next batch. I had a copper end cap that was just a nice friction fit in the hole, inverted and a hole in that for a 1/2" soft copper coil. I leaked a little but it worked. You can cascade another one behind that for a "thumper" if you really want to get sophisticated. The stuff coming out of the thumper will burn in your lighter. Center posted, as your reply was. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:34:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: Top posted. Center posted, as your reply was. Bottom posted. You fudged your sig line again. |
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Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 5:34:21 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/27/2016 4:01 PM, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 02:52:08 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:21:45 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 23:09:36 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:42:01 -0500, RonNNN wrote: In article , says... Oh yea, WTF are you building? o_O My guess is a moonshine still. not with soldered joints I hope Lead free silver solder. Even lead free solder will give the whiskey a nasty wang. Stills are usually solid copper with friction fittings. Silver solder is used in commercial stills - along with brazing.. Pretty hard to make a "kettle" without soldering or brazing - an expert can roll and beed the joi[When I did HVAC, we had lead free solder for water copper, such as replacing water heaters.]nts and get them ALMOST hooch-tite - but any leak will cause the still to blow - so the outside of even a well rolled seam will be soldered. I really like glass for this but the size is somewhat limited. I have used 5 gallon water bottles back when they were glass but you have to be real careful bringing up the heat slowly and more importantly, letting them cool down slowly. You can pour the mash out OK but let them sit on a dry block of wood or something until they are just warm to the touch before you load the next batch. I had a copper end cap that was just a nice friction fit in the hole, inverted and a hole in that for a 1/2" soft copper coil. I leaked a little but it worked. You can cascade another one behind that for a "thumper" if you really want to get sophisticated. The stuff coming out of the thumper will burn in your lighter. Center posted, as your reply was. If you are going to join the modern world and center post a response like normal people, at least learn how to do it neatly. What a mess you made of your response! |
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On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 7:55:54 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
old copper is duller Do you know the age of my copper or are you just tossing out a random piece of information! |
SOME GUY CALLED DERBY DAD ASKS: "Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?"
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:11:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 7:55:54 PM UTC-4, David wrote: old copper is duller Do you know the age of my copper or are you just tossing out a random piece of information! Derby, I'm glad you didn't cross post to the other groups -- alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.depression It is how the trolls attract other trolls here. See how many red belly brit clowns are here now. |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 07:58:08 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: So I ordered one of these which should allow for a nice flush hang. http://www.hooksandlattice.com/hanging-clips.html A 2' length is twice the cost of the OOK cleat, but it'll be worth the extra cost. The weakest point, regarding weight, is the attachment of the cleat to the frame in the routed out channel. That is the area where I will have the least wood, therefore the shortest screws. My plan is use some type of adhesive along with screws just to be safe. Cousin Hanging Monster Why not use a piece of hardwood lagged to the wall with a dovetail cut across the back of the frame - screw the frame to the hardwood cleat with screws behind the floor flanges. Cut the hardwood cleat with an angle to fit the dovetail cut.. You can blind dove-tail so it doesn't show at the end of the frame.. Every bit as strong as the hardware solution - and you can truthfully say you made it all yourself. I considered that, but I didn't want to remove that much of the frame. The frame is made from 5/4 pine and I figure the cleat would have to be a least 3/4. I'm sure that would have left enough wood, but I decided to go with a metal cleat. Besides, it's not like I made the pipe either. ;-) |
Why are copper fittings brighter than copper pipe?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 07:58:08 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: So I ordered one of these which should allow for a nice flush hang. http://www.hooksandlattice.com/hanging-clips.html A 2' length is twice the cost of the OOK cleat, but it'll be worth the extra cost. The weakest point, regarding weight, is the attachment of the cleat to the frame in the routed out channel. That is the area where I will have the least wood, therefore the shortest screws. My plan is use some type of adhesive along with screws just to be safe. Cousin Hanging Monster Why not use a piece of hardwood lagged to the wall with a dovetail cut across the back of the frame - screw the frame to the hardwood cleat with screws behind the floor flanges. Cut the hardwood cleat with an angle to fit the dovetail cut.. You can blind dove-tail so it doesn't show at the end of the frame.. Every bit as strong as the hardware solution - and you can truthfully say you made it all yourself. I considered that, but I didn't want to remove that much of the frame. The frame is made from 5/4 pine and I figure the cleat would have to be a least 3/4. I'm sure that would have left enough wood, but I decided to go with a metal cleat. Besides, it's not like I made the pipe either. ;-) 1 half inch birch or maple cleat will hold around 100 lbs with no problem. using a "fender washer" to spread the load of the rack/frame the 5/4 pine will also be more than adequate - particularly with the pipe flange carrying half of the load directly to the pine sitting ON the cleat, and the flange holding the pine together so it can'r split from the load. |
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