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Four socket in old house not powering devices
A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's
house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 8:03:04 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. OT would help...considering this is mindless blogging! |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? Technician error? WTF is B-N, B-G, etc? B? There are hot, neutral and ground. Never seen a tester with B on it. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? Technician error? WTF is B-N, B-G, etc? B? There are hot, neutral and ground. Never seen a tester with B on it. B = black N = neutral G = Gnd Mine does. In black Sharpie. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 10:26:48 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/28/2016 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? Technician error? WTF is B-N, B-G, etc? B? There are hot, neutral and ground. Never seen a tester with B on it. B = black N = neutral G = Gnd Mine does. In black Sharpie. -- Then why isn't it Black, White, Green? |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
Stormin Mormon writes:
New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:02:59 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. Orange is 10 ga |
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Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:41:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. +1 Most of the breakers here are 15A, maybe 20% are 20A. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 10:30 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 10:26:48 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/28/2016 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote: Technician error? WTF is B-N, B-G, etc? B? There are hot, neutral and ground. Never seen a tester with B on it. B = black N = neutral G = Gnd Mine does. In black Sharpie. -- Then why isn't it Black, White, Green? Cause that's not what I was thinking at that moment. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:18:27 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:51:35 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:02:59 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. Orange is 10 ga Not always. There is still no mandated standard for cable sheath colours. I have seen lots of romex and I have never seen orange that was anything but 10 gauge. There is white, blue and black romex out there over the years that can be any size. When Southwire came out with yellow and orange, it became the defacto industry standard. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:48:08 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: trader_4 writes: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:41:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. +1 Most of the breakers here are 15A, maybe 20% are 20A. Whereas here, everything except the two lighting circuits are 20A. That was true in the upper midwest when I worked for a electrical supply wholesaler in the 70's as well. That sounds like poor design. Using 20a circuits does allow the installer to use fewer circuits to achieve the 3va per sq/ft but fewer is not better when the breaker trips. There is no requirement that fixed lighting and receptacles be on separate circuits and a single 20 might cover one whole end of a house if the installer was being stingy. (800 square feet) The only time I ever saw that was when the AFCIs first started showing up (2002 cycle) and installers tried to put everything in all of the bedrooms on one AFCI. We couldn't tag it but if the guy was cutting corners this badly, there was always something else wrong. It just made us look harder. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. Bubba hung his new 65 inch TeeVee on the wall using 16 penny nails and hit a wire? |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
wrote in message ... That sounds like poor design. Using 20a circuits does allow the installer to use fewer circuits to achieve the 3va per sq/ft but fewer is not better when the breaker trips. There is no requirement that fixed lighting and receptacles be on separate circuits and a single 20 might cover one whole end of a house if the installer was being stingy. (800 square feet) The only time I ever saw that was when the AFCIs first started showing up (2002 cycle) and installers tried to put everything in all of the bedrooms on one AFCI. We couldn't tag it but if the guy was cutting corners this badly, there was always something else wrong. It just made us look harder. Sounds like the wiring in a duplex apartment I was renting. It was built just before WW2. In each side was a fuse box with 2 20 amp fuses. That was for the lights and recepticals. There was a living room, 2 bed rooms, kitchen and bath. There was a seperate fuse pair for the stove and water heater. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/28/2016 9:14 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? Technician error? WTF is B-N, B-G, etc? B? There are hot, neutral and ground. Never seen a tester with B on it. B = black N = neutral G = Gnd Mine does. In black Sharpie. Why not Black, White, Green or Copper |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:18:27 -0500, wrote: Orange is 10 ga Not always. There is still no mandated standard for cable sheath colours. I have seen lots of romex and I have never seen orange that was anything but 10 gauge. There is white, blue and black romex out there over the years that can be any size. When Southwire came out with yellow and orange, it became the defacto industry standard. My color vision is very poor. More likely yellow, and reasonably sure it's 14 ga. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:22:39 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 1/28/2016 1:17 PM, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:18:27 -0500, wrote: Orange is 10 ga Not always. There is still no mandated standard for cable sheath colours. I have seen lots of romex and I have never seen orange that was anything but 10 gauge. There is white, blue and black romex out there over the years that can be any size. When Southwire came out with yellow and orange, it became the defacto industry standard. My color vision is very poor. More likely yellow, and reasonably sure it's 14 ga. Look at the writing on it. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
My color vision is very poor. More likely yellow, and reasonably sure it's 14 ga. Fat, bald, color-blind, left-handed, single, Mormon, lived in a trailer...no wonder your dead! ٩(×̯×)۶ |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:48:08 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: trader_4 writes: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:41:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. +1 Most of the breakers here are 15A, maybe 20% are 20A. Whereas here, everything except the two lighting circuits are 20A. That was true in the upper midwest when I worked for a electrical supply wholesaler in the 70's as well. So all of the outlets are the 20 amp type??? 15 amp outlets on 20 amp breaker doesn't meet code. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:17:25 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:18:27 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:51:35 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:02:59 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. Orange is 10 ga Not always. There is still no mandated standard for cable sheath colours. I have seen lots of romex and I have never seen orange that was anything but 10 gauge. There is white, blue and black romex out there over the years that can be any size. When Southwire came out with yellow and orange, it became the defacto industry standard. But Southwire doesn't make ALL the wire used in North America There was orange jacketed cloth covered Romex 40 or more years ago. It was 14 guage IIRC - definitely no more than 12 guage - and it was used for baseboard electric heaters. On a 240 circuit it was good for 3500 watts of heat on a 15 amp breaker - generally used on 3000 watt (2 1500 watt units) If it was 12 guage it was good for 4500 watts - or 3 units. I know it wasn't "10 because I pulled several hundred feet of it. Thinking back - likely closer to 45 years ago - when I worked some with my dad - an electrician. The plastic stuff is likely more standardized |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:30 -0800 (PST), bob_villain
wrote: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: My color vision is very poor. More likely yellow, and reasonably sure it's 14 ga. Fat, bald, color-blind, left-handed, single, Mormon, lived in a trailer...no wonder your dead! ?(×?×)? Not dead. Undead. Zombie |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:30 -0800 (PST), bob_villain wrote: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: My color vision is very poor. More likely yellow, and reasonably sure it's 14 ga. Fat, bald, color-blind, left-handed, single, Mormon, lived in a trailer....no wonder your dead! ?(в?в)? Not dead. Undead. Zombie Oh Yea! That's what he used the electricity for! Reanimation! Franken Mormon! o_O [8~{} Uncle Animated Monster |
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Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:41:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. BTW if he backstabbed 10 ga wire (orange romex) into a receptacle he probably needed to drill out the hole. They are designed to only take 14ga wire. I have seen 12 ga jammed in there but they really had to work to do it. (speaking about the spring capture back stabber, not the spec grade where you tighten the screw) Doesn't it suck that we have to keep qualifying all mentions of "backstab" receptacles? |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
A couple days ago, I got called to a friend's house to troubleshoot a four outlet wall socket, which wasn't operating plug in devices. My three bulb tester said B-N was barely there, neon bulb was flickering. B-G was not powered, and of course N had no power, so N-G was show no neon bulb light. New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. -- This reminds of the wonderful story you told about the Harbor Freight employee and your "humorous" use of the N-word. Once again, you bring race into situations that have nothing whatsoever to do with race and then you claim that you are not a racist. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:51:20 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:54:31 -0500, wrote: When Southwire came out with yellow and orange, it became the defacto industry standard. But Southwire doesn't make ALL the wire used in North America Perhaps you missed the "defacto industry standard" part. Find me someone who has made orange 14 gauge romex since the Eisenhower administration. (about the time plastic NM cable appeared) Most of the paper asphalt NM was silver but it might have had red or orange writing on it. Up here it was brown, black, orange, and occaisionally silver. Our early plastic stuff was black, white, brown, or orange. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
B = black N = neutral G = Gnd Mine does. In black Sharpie. Why not Black, White, Green or Copper Why not call them what they are? It's scary that there's no realization that wire labeling scheme is dangerous: Hot, Neutral and Ground are the proper terms. Labeling one as "black" is bound to lead to confusion because electricians sometimes mark white wires with with black tape in 3 or 4 way switch setups, etc. -- Bobby G. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:48:08 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: trader_4 writes: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:41:28 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. +1 Most of the breakers here are 15A, maybe 20% are 20A. Whereas here, everything except the two lighting circuits are 20A. That was true in the upper midwest when I worked for a electrical supply wholesaler in the 70's as well. So all of the outlets are the 20 amp type??? 15 amp outlets on 20 amp breaker doesn't meet code. Wrong again. 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp circuit are permitted, in US NEC. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 10:41 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Stormin Mormon writes: New socket (recently put in) with orange 14 ga romex. Circuit panel was fairly new, and this circuit was supplied with new orange 14-2 Romex. I think I found the problem. Anyone want to guess what it was? 14-2? Generally receptacles are wired to a 20A breaker. 14-2 has an ampacity of 15A (or less depending on fill ratio). Guess: Backstabs were used Ah, well. So the last guy used the wrong wire gage. What I found was in between the socket romex and the romex at the panel is about 40 feet of metal pipe, with two conductors which are probably cloth wrap. Certainly, they are ancient. The metal pipe acts as the ground. Not very efffectively so. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 11:43 AM, wrote:
General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. BTW if he backstabbed 10 ga wire (orange romex) into a receptacle he probably needed to drill out the hole. They are designed to only take 14ga wire. I have seen 12 ga jammed in there but they really had to work to do it. (speaking about the spring capture back stabber, not the spec grade where you tighten the screw) I've not looked at the backs of the socket. Who knows? May very well be backstabbed. I hope not, those are a PIA to release the wire. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 1:34 PM, My 2 Cents wrote:
On 1/28/2016 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: I'm going back to work on it in a couple days, will post follow up. Bubba hung his new 65 inch TeeVee on the wall using 16 penny nails and hit a wire? They do have a large flat, but it's plugged into outlet strip, then to the outlet. The large flat sits on a piece of furniture. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 7:54 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5, wrote: BTW if he backstabbed 10 ga wire (orange romex) into a receptacle he probably needed to drill out the hole. They are designed to only take 14ga wire. I have seen 12 ga jammed in there but they really had to work to do it. (speaking about the spring capture back stabber, not the spec grade where you tighten the screw) Doesn't it suck that we have to keep qualifying all mentions of "backstab" receptacles? There's back stab, and back clamp. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/28/2016 8:18 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. -- This reminds of the wonderful story you told about the Harbor Freight employee and your "humorous" use of the N-word. Once again, you bring race into situations that have nothing whatsoever to do with race and then you claim that you are not a racist. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. I do not protest too much! That's a false accusation, and I want you to take it back! You're too sensetive. Might that indicate you have some hidden guilt? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
Stormin Mormon writes:
On 1/28/2016 11:43 AM, wrote: General lighting receptacles in dwellings are usually 15a. You have 20s in kitchens, laundry and bathrooms. Homeowners may wire 20s everywhere but builders usually do not. You just have to look at the balance if 15 to 20 amp breakers in the panel to see that. BTW if he backstabbed 10 ga wire (orange romex) into a receptacle he probably needed to drill out the hole. They are designed to only take 14ga wire. I have seen 12 ga jammed in there but they really had to work to do it. (speaking about the spring capture back stabber, not the spec grade where you tighten the screw) I've not looked at the backs of the socket. Who knows? May very well be backstabbed. I hope not, those are a PIA to release the wire. You don't have a wire cutters? Cut them, discard the cheap receptacle and replace it with spec-grade. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On 1/29/2016 11:00 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Stormin Mormon writes: I've not looked at the backs of the socket. Who knows? May very well be backstabbed. I hope not, those are a PIA to release the wire. You don't have a wire cutters? Cut them, discard the cheap receptacle and replace it with spec-grade. Might work, if there is enough wire in the wall. At present, looks like I'll be taking out some steel pipe section of wire, and put in new Romex, so I should have some wire to work with. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Four socket in old house not powering devices
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/28/2016 8:18 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote: BTW, I'm not being racist when I say that N had no power, and N-G is open. -- This reminds of the wonderful story you told about the Harbor Freight employee and your "humorous" use of the N-word. Once again, you bring race into situations that have nothing whatsoever to do with race and then you claim that you are not a racist. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. I do not protest too much! That's a false accusation, and I want you to take it back! We all want something. We don't always get what we want. You're too sensetive. Might that indicate you have some hidden guilt? Nope...I'm not the one that keeps bringing race into situations where no one but you would have thought of it. When I hear "BTW, I'm not being racist..." my first thought is always "No one thought you were...until you said that." |
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