FrozenNorth submitted this idea :
On 2015-12-22 5:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:48:32 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2015-12-22 4:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:07:31 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

BTW - what is the current build number?

10586.36

Thanks.

11082.1000 here, but I am on the insiders program.

Is it free by just signing up? I'm guessing they are "preview" builds
you can activate. Buggy or stable versions?

Yep, free for the singup, they are beta builds, I have seen little odd
things, but no show stoppers, I seem to be getting a new entire build
every month or two.

They have three rings, Fast, Slow and Release, Fast is a bit more
bleeding edge, I am on that, but as I said, so far so good. Slow is
after the fast testing has happened, and will not get every build,
Release is obvious.

Is it possible to move from Vista 64 bit to Win10 64 bit and get
around that limitation? Saying I start with a clean install?

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for free, or
at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download a Win 10 ISO
file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would lose everything.

I have a Vista machine I had no problems with other than being slow,
but that was from the processor being a old AMD. I have an older tower
running XP with a Celeron processor that works still, but is slower
than cooter brown. My storage tower runs a P-3 with very little memory
and six 18 gig scsi drives. My W7 tower popped the cpu twice, so it
sits waiting for a differet mobo. My real estate agent gave Me this
Dell Inspiron 660, so I put it in line.

Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says you
can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do the W10
upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model you can
probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to download
the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

--
Snag

Eagle wrote:
TomR laid this down on his screen :
In ,
Eagle typed:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the
activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says
you can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do
the W10 upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model
you can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't
load, so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

I was assuming that since you are able to post here, you have access
to the Internet.

For the computer in question, does it only have a modem to access the
Internet, or does it also have a NIC card and/or WiFi capability?

Wireless wi-fi.

I don't think you can activate any Windows program without Internet
access since I think that Microsoft has to be able to "see" your
computer to do the activation so it can recognize the motherboard
and other components as part of the activation.

That was the problem with W7, the wi-fi ability wasn't loaded when I
installed My copy of W7 ultimate so no internet.

Maybe you could use whatever computer you are using to access the
Internet to post here and try to find the right driver for your
modem and then copy it via USB thumb drive to the problem computer.

Or, take the problem computer to a place that can access the
Internet via NIC card or WiFi or whatever. Or, beg, borrow, or
steal a NIC card from another computer or another person and put it
in the problem computer.

I have 5 other outdated computers here including one I use as data
storage using scci drives.

It doesn't matter how outdated the comp is , you can still use it to DL the
win7 driver you need and load it on a thumb drive . P4 and WIN2K/SP4 will do
that ...

--
Snag
BTDT

Terry Coombs brought next idea :
Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says you
can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do the W10
upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model you can
probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to download
the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

DUH? I have the driver on one of My 8 gig USB sticks, and it didn't do
any good DUH.

After serious thinking Terry Coombs wrote :
Eagle wrote:
TomR laid this down on his screen :
In ,
Eagle typed:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the
activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says
you can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do
the W10 upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model
you can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't
load, so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

I was assuming that since you are able to post here, you have access
to the Internet.

For the computer in question, does it only have a modem to access the
Internet, or does it also have a NIC card and/or WiFi capability?

Wireless wi-fi.

I don't think you can activate any Windows program without Internet
access since I think that Microsoft has to be able to "see" your
computer to do the activation so it can recognize the motherboard
and other components as part of the activation.

That was the problem with W7, the wi-fi ability wasn't loaded when I
installed My copy of W7 ultimate so no internet.

Maybe you could use whatever computer you are using to access the
Internet to post here and try to find the right driver for your
modem and then copy it via USB thumb drive to the problem computer.

Or, take the problem computer to a place that can access the
Internet via NIC card or WiFi or whatever. Or, beg, borrow, or
steal a NIC card from another computer or another person and put it
in the problem computer.

I have 5 other outdated computers here including one I use as data
storage using scci drives.

It doesn't matter how outdated the comp is , you can still use it to DL the
win7 driver you need and load it on a thumb drive . P4 and WIN2K/SP4 will do
that ...

And your point is?

Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs brought next idea :
Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says you
can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do the W10
upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model you
can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to
download the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

DUH? I have the driver on one of My 8 gig USB sticks, and it didn't do
any good DUH.

Duh, you have to point where your driver files are(your USB stick) make
sure none are zipped or compressed form. Sounds like you are not really
upto it. Just download mediacreationtool(64 bit or 32 bit version)
depending your upgrade candidate. Run this utility, follow up step by
step. If you are unable to do this, you need babysitting help holding
your hands..

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download
a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the jump.

Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix it."
She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating issues ...
probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan intake .
All XP , all the time .
--
Snag

Eagle wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote on 12/22/2015 :
On 12/22/2015 07:07 AM, Eagle wrote:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

As to "the built-in modem will not load", I suppose you mean the
driver for a "soft modem" that requires software.

As to activation, I'm wondering how much you actually lose by not
having W10 activated (other than that reminder).

So far I don't see much other than no beg to activate.
I'm thinking on installing My 40 gig HD and run linux. The new builds
look like they work more better now.

With the current atmosphere vis-a-vis Windows , Ubuntu is looking better
and better ... I wonder if they might be subtly sabotaging XP , seems odd
little quirks are popping up more and more often lately ...
Gotta win the wife over though for a change that big . GUI is pretty good
, but the "feel" is different .
--
Snag

Eagle wrote:
Tony Hwang explained on 12/22/2015 :
Eagle wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote on 12/22/2015 :
On 12/22/2015 07:07 AM, Eagle wrote:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7
activation to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get
the activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

As to "the built-in modem will not load", I suppose you mean the
driver for a "soft modem" that requires software.

As to activation, I'm wondering how much you actually lose by not
having W10 activated (other than that reminder).

So far I don't see much other than no beg to activate.
I'm thinking on installing My 40 gig HD and run linux. The new
builds look like they work more better now.

If you don't activate it, you don't get update, etc. You could just
update w7 to W10, if it can't it'll put back every back to W7.
Modem? You use it for faxing or modem? All my desk top, laptops
updated to W10 without a hitch. I manually updated to have
triboot(Linux, W7, W10) I need W7 and IE to flash blade for remote
starter kit. If you call MS, no warm body answers, just follow thru
accordig to the prerecorded message, you better have good hearing
and good typing speed or you'll spend quite a while to finish the
process.

Already done Tony. I like W7 more better, but I'm getting used to W10.
I like Edge over IE for sure. I use Chrome as well so IE doesn't get
used. I had an issue with email, but cured that by going with T-Bird.
All in all W10 gets the job done Ya Ya!

Have you turned off the spyware yet ?

--
Snag

Eagle wrote:
After serious thinking Terry Coombs wrote :
Eagle wrote:

I have 5 other outdated computers here including one I use as data
storage using scci drives.

It doesn't matter how outdated the comp is , you can still use it to
DL the win7 driver you need and load it on a thumb drive . P4 and
WIN2K/SP4 will do that ...

And your point is?

That getting the proper W7 wireless LAN driver for that comp and
installing it was not a problem .

--
Snag

Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs brought next idea :
Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the
activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says
you can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do
the W10 upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model
you can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't
load, so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to
download the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

DUH? I have the driver on one of My 8 gig USB sticks, and it didn't do
any good DUH.

Then you DL'ed the wrong driver DUH . Hey , I did the same thing just the
other day for the wife's laptop , took me 3 tries before I found one that
worked . Still can't figure out what happened , she's been using that comp
for months with no issues (other than overheating ...) .

--
Snag

Terry Coombs wrote:
Eagle wrote:
Tony Hwang explained on 12/22/2015 :
Eagle wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote on 12/22/2015 :
On 12/22/2015 07:07 AM, Eagle wrote:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7
activation to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get
the activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

As to "the built-in modem will not load", I suppose you mean the
driver for a "soft modem" that requires software.

As to activation, I'm wondering how much you actually lose by not
having W10 activated (other than that reminder).

So far I don't see much other than no beg to activate.
I'm thinking on installing My 40 gig HD and run linux. The new
builds look like they work more better now.

If you don't activate it, you don't get update, etc. You could just
update w7 to W10, if it can't it'll put back every back to W7.
Modem? You use it for faxing or modem? All my desk top, laptops
updated to W10 without a hitch. I manually updated to have
triboot(Linux, W7, W10) I need W7 and IE to flash blade for remote
starter kit. If you call MS, no warm body answers, just follow thru
accordig to the prerecorded message, you better have good hearing
and good typing speed or you'll spend quite a while to finish the
process.

Already done Tony. I like W7 more better, but I'm getting used to W10.
I like Edge over IE for sure. I use Chrome as well so IE doesn't get
used. I had an issue with email, but cured that by going with T-Bird.
All in all W10 gets the job done Ya Ya!

Have you turned off the spyware yet ?

Some things I do such as flashing blade for remote starter, Only IE is
compatible. (Using iDATA link web link flash utility) Omega link,
Compustar link is same.) When I am not on Linux, I use W7 Ultimate 64
bit. I even have to play with DOS....

Terry Coombs wrote:
Eagle wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote on 12/22/2015 :
On 12/22/2015 07:07 AM, Eagle wrote:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

As to "the built-in modem will not load", I suppose you mean the
driver for a "soft modem" that requires software.

As to activation, I'm wondering how much you actually lose by not
having W10 activated (other than that reminder).

So far I don't see much other than no beg to activate.
I'm thinking on installing My 40 gig HD and run linux. The new builds
look like they work more better now.

With the current atmosphere vis-a-vis Windows , Ubuntu is looking better
and better ... I wonder if they might be subtly sabotaging XP , seems odd
little quirks are popping up more and more often lately ...
Gotta win the wife over though for a change that big . GUI is pretty good
, but the "feel" is different .

Made wife addict to iPAD, LOL! Ubuntu is now charging some nice apps.
like W10.

Terry Coombs wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download
a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the jump.

Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix it."
She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating issues ...
probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan intake .
All XP , all the time .

Maybe you have to open it up, blow all the dust out, reapply HS paste
for the cpu. Old Toshiba is built very well.

Eagle wrote:
FrozenNorth submitted this idea :
On 2015-12-22 5:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:48:32 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2015-12-22 4:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:07:31 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

BTW - what is the current build number?

10586.36

Thanks.

11082.1000 here, but I am on the insiders program.

Is it free by just signing up? I'm guessing they are "preview" builds
you can activate. Buggy or stable versions?

Yep, free for the singup, they are beta builds, I have seen little odd
things, but no show stoppers, I seem to be getting a new entire build
every month or two.

They have three rings, Fast, Slow and Release, Fast is a bit more
bleeding edge, I am on that, but as I said, so far so good. Slow is
after the fast testing has happened, and will not get every build,
Release is obvious.

Is it possible to move from Vista 64 bit to Win10 64 bit and get
around that limitation? Saying I start with a clean install?

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download a
Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

I have a Vista machine I had no problems with other than being slow, but
that was from the processor being a old AMD. I have an older tower
running XP with a Celeron processor that works still, but is slower than
cooter brown. My storage tower runs a P-3 with very little memory and
six 18 gig scsi drives. My W7 tower popped the cpu twice, so it sits
waiting for a differet mobo. My real estate agent gave Me this Dell
Inspiron 660, so I put it in line.

You trying to set up a museum?, LOL! I think none of your stuff is good
candidate for W10 upgrade. You need minimum 8 GB memory for any thing
these days. My main laptop is quad i7, 16GB memory, SSD, and 7200rpm
SATA drives plus Blue ray writer. 17" screen. All desktop, laptops has
minimum 8GB memory. I have a small NAS for back up and storage, I don't
use cloud anything.

Tony Hwang wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10
for free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can
download a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install,
but you would lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the
jump. Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on
and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix
it." She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating
issues ... probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan
intake . All XP , all the time .

Maybe you have to open it up, blow all the dust out, reapply HS paste
for the cpu. Old Toshiba is built very well.

Apparently this era of Tosh laptops had overheat issues - this is one of
the early dual cores , an A215-S7437. I blow it out regularly to keep the
dust off the fins of the heat exchanger , but it still does spurious reboots
.. I've told her numerous times that she MUST leave the area of the fan open
but it seems to fall on deaf ears .
Oh , and I had it open just a couple of weeks ago doing a fan replacement
.. The fan wasn't dead yet but it had made noise a couple of times so it was
just a matter of time .
--
Snag

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:11:51 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:07:48 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem will
not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation to
activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?
Must activate 7 before upgrading to 10 or you are out of luck

Naaaaa....The call from MS took care of the problem, and now I have an
activated issue of W10 pro 64 bit. ^^
The one I was working on today wouldn't even install 10 because 7
wasn't activated - at least Win10 upgrade says it isn't activated.

I'll see when I get back to it - likely tomorrow.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:30:08 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Eagle wrote:
Tony Hwang explained on 12/22/2015 :
Eagle wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote on 12/22/2015 :
On 12/22/2015 07:07 AM, Eagle wrote:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7
activation to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get
the activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

As to "the built-in modem will not load", I suppose you mean the
driver for a "soft modem" that requires software.

As to activation, I'm wondering how much you actually lose by not
having W10 activated (other than that reminder).

So far I don't see much other than no beg to activate.
I'm thinking on installing My 40 gig HD and run linux. The new
builds look like they work more better now.

If you don't activate it, you don't get update, etc. You could just
update w7 to W10, if it can't it'll put back every back to W7.
Modem? You use it for faxing or modem? All my desk top, laptops
updated to W10 without a hitch. I manually updated to have
triboot(Linux, W7, W10) I need W7 and IE to flash blade for remote
starter kit. If you call MS, no warm body answers, just follow thru
accordig to the prerecorded message, you better have good hearing
and good typing speed or you'll spend quite a while to finish the
process.

Already done Tony. I like W7 more better, but I'm getting used to W10.
I like Edge over IE for sure. I use Chrome as well so IE doesn't get
used. I had an issue with email, but cured that by going with T-Bird.
All in all W10 gets the job done Ya Ya!

Have you turned off the spyware yet ?
Don't have to turn it off if you don't let it install. Do custom
install right from the start.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:05:31 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Eagle wrote:
FrozenNorth submitted this idea :
On 2015-12-22 5:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:48:32 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2015-12-22 4:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:07:31 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

BTW - what is the current build number?

10586.36

Thanks.

11082.1000 here, but I am on the insiders program.

Is it free by just signing up? I'm guessing they are "preview" builds
you can activate. Buggy or stable versions?

Yep, free for the singup, they are beta builds, I have seen little odd
things, but no show stoppers, I seem to be getting a new entire build
every month or two.

They have three rings, Fast, Slow and Release, Fast is a bit more
bleeding edge, I am on that, but as I said, so far so good. Slow is
after the fast testing has happened, and will not get every build,
Release is obvious.

Is it possible to move from Vista 64 bit to Win10 64 bit and get
around that limitation? Saying I start with a clean install?

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download a
Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

I have a Vista machine I had no problems with other than being slow, but
that was from the processor being a old AMD. I have an older tower
running XP with a Celeron processor that works still, but is slower than
cooter brown. My storage tower runs a P-3 with very little memory and
six 18 gig scsi drives. My W7 tower popped the cpu twice, so it sits
waiting for a differet mobo. My real estate agent gave Me this Dell
Inspiron 660, so I put it in line.

You trying to set up a museum?, LOL! I think none of your stuff is good
candidate for W10 upgrade. You need minimum 8 GB memory for any thing
these days. My main laptop is quad i7, 16GB memory, SSD, and 7200rpm
SATA drives plus Blue ray writer. 17" screen. All desktop, laptops has
minimum 8GB memory. I have a small NAS for back up and storage, I don't
use cloud anything.
Acer Aspire 1 with 1gb and an Atom 270 works just fine on Win10Pro -
surprisingly!!!

On 12/22/2015 08:32 AM, Eagle wrote:
Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Can you burn an iso and load from that?

On 12/22/2015 09:20 AM, Eagle wrote:
I tried that and it didn't work. I've been using W10 for well over two
months now and the activate bug is still on My desktop. I am going to MS
and get a key by phone.

Can you connect with the W10? There should be a place in the dialog to
switch activation keys that has a link to the MS website to purchase one.

On 12/22/2015 11:28 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 12/22/2015 09:20 AM, Eagle wrote:
I tried that and it didn't work. I've been using W10 for well over two
months now and the activate bug is still on My desktop. I am going to MS
and get a key by phone.

Can you connect with the W10? There should be a place in the dialog to
switch activation keys that has a link to the MS website to purchase one.

I'm declaring this thread to be on topic
for too long. No more on topic replies
will be permitted.

Does ultra low sulfur diesel damage engines?

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rbowman wrote:
On 12/22/2015 08:32 AM, Eagle wrote:
Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Can you burn an iso and load from that?

If it is clean install of W10. Modem? Cable modem? of land line modem?
Latter needs driver.

Terry Coombs submitted this idea :
Eagle wrote:
After serious thinking Terry Coombs wrote :
Eagle wrote:

I have 5 other outdated computers here including one I use as data
storage using scci drives.

It doesn't matter how outdated the comp is , you can still use it to
DL the win7 driver you need and load it on a thumb drive . P4 and
WIN2K/SP4 will do that ...

And your point is?

That getting the proper W7 wireless LAN driver for that comp and
installing it was not a problem .

It's all moot now since I have a registered copy of W10 now, and
everything works, including the wireless wi-fi. I still have a HD with
W7U so it will go into the tower with the new mobo and processor ASAP.

After serious thinking Tony Hwang wrote :
Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs brought next idea :
Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says you
can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do the W10
upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model you
can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to
download the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

DUH? I have the driver on one of My 8 gig USB sticks, and it didn't do
any good DUH.

Duh, you have to point where your driver files are(your USB stick) make sure
none are zipped or compressed form. Sounds like you are not really upto it.
Just download mediacreationtool(64 bit or 32 bit version) depending your
upgrade candidate. Run this utility, follow up step by step. If you are
unable to do this, you need babysitting help holding your hands..

lol You need to change that 'tude feller.
See you on the next topic.

Terry Coombs submitted this idea :
Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs brought next idea :
Eagle wrote:
TomR formulated the question :
In ,
Eagle typed:
wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem
will not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation
to activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the
activation reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?

If you have a valid W7 software and license key, I the trick is to
first just put the W7 on. Then do all of the automatic security
updates and within a week or so, you will get a notice that says
you can upgrade to W10. When you get that W10 upgrade notice, do
the W10 upgrade from there.
Do not go online and download a W10 software or upgrade directly
since your W7 license key won't work for that. The built-in valid
W7 license key will only work for the W10 upgrade notice that you
get from Microsoft after you have had W7 installed for a while (a
week or so). With your W7 installed, the problem with the modem is
probably a
driver problem. I found a free driver updater software online that
checks for the correct drivers, but the free version only lets you
update up to two drivers per day. I can't remember the name of the
free program right now. Or, if you know the modem make and model
you can probably go to a
support website and download the correct driver.

If you post a reply back here in response to the above, I'll give
you the info for a very good newsgroup for computer questions like
the ones you have. It is a news.annexcafe.com newsgroup called
annexcafe.general.user2user .

Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't
load, so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Unless , like me , you have another computer that you can use to
download the correct driver and load it onto a USB stick . DUH .

DUH? I have the driver on one of My 8 gig USB sticks, and it didn't do
any good DUH.

Then you DL'ed the wrong driver DUH . Hey , I did the same thing just the
other day for the wife's laptop , took me 3 tries before I found one that
worked . Still can't figure out what happened , she's been using that comp
for months with no issues (other than overheating ...) .

The problem is dealt with and is no longer a problem.
Thanks for your input Terry. ^^

on 12/22/2015, rbowman supposed :
On 12/22/2015 08:32 AM, Eagle wrote:
Only problem with your solution is that the internal modem won't load,
so it's impossible to do all you wrote Tom. :/

Can you burn an iso and load from that?

I did that when I DL'd W10 onto a USB stick, then to a DVD. The W7
number is all I had t the time, and it wouldn't work so a call to MS
resulted in a # that DID work, and now no more activation bug. ^^

Tony Hwang has brought this to us :
Eagle wrote:
FrozenNorth submitted this idea :
On 2015-12-22 5:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:48:32 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 2015-12-22 4:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:07:31 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

BTW - what is the current build number?

10586.36

Thanks.

11082.1000 here, but I am on the insiders program.

Is it free by just signing up? I'm guessing they are "preview" builds
you can activate. Buggy or stable versions?

Yep, free for the singup, they are beta builds, I have seen little odd
things, but no show stoppers, I seem to be getting a new entire build
every month or two.

They have three rings, Fast, Slow and Release, Fast is a bit more
bleeding edge, I am on that, but as I said, so far so good. Slow is
after the fast testing has happened, and will not get every build,
Release is obvious.

Is it possible to move from Vista 64 bit to Win10 64 bit and get
around that limitation? Saying I start with a clean install?

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download a
Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

I have a Vista machine I had no problems with other than being slow, but
that was from the processor being a old AMD. I have an older tower
running XP with a Celeron processor that works still, but is slower than
cooter brown. My storage tower runs a P-3 with very little memory and
six 18 gig scsi drives. My W7 tower popped the cpu twice, so it sits
waiting for a differet mobo. My real estate agent gave Me this Dell
Inspiron 660, so I put it in line.

You trying to set up a museum?, LOL! I think none of your stuff is good
candidate for W10 upgrade. You need minimum 8 GB memory for any thing these
days. My main laptop is quad i7, 16GB memory, SSD, and 7200rpm SATA drives
plus Blue ray writer. 17" screen. All desktop, laptops has
minimum 8GB memory. I have a small NAS for back up and storage, I don't use
cloud anything.

Museum? lol I have a few more in the garage that use the GIANT P-2
processor as well as a couple of laptops that use the external wireless
wi-fi plug-in card. My P-1 tower runs W95 and the P-2 runs W98. ^^
The old and heavy CRT monitors are long gone.
I saved them to play games like DESCENT, but I think it's time to clear
out the old stuff and recycle.

It happens that Tony Hwang formulated :
Terry Coombs wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download
a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the jump.

Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix it."
She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating issues ...
probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan intake .
All XP , all the time .

Maybe you have to open it up, blow all the dust out, reapply HS paste
for the cpu. Old Toshiba is built very well.

Block the fan on that old laptop and you have overheating fo sho. The
plug-in wi-fi card was a pain if you left it pluged in and accidentally
smash it. They are a bit hard to find now.

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:11:51 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:07:48 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem will
not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation to
activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?
Must activate 7 before upgrading to 10 or you are out of luck

Naaaaa....The call from MS took care of the problem, and now I have an
activated issue of W10 pro 64 bit. ^^
The one I was working on today wouldn't even install 10 because 7
wasn't activated - at least Win10 upgrade says it isn't activated.

I'll see when I get back to it - likely tomorrow.

OK, it's tomorrow Clare...

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:21:22 AM UTC-6, Eagle wrote:
It happens that Tony Hwang formulated :
Terry Coombs wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download
a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the jump.

Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix it.."
She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating issues ...
probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan intake .
All XP , all the time .

Maybe you have to open it up, blow all the dust out, reapply HS paste
for the cpu. Old Toshiba is built very well.

Block the fan on that old laptop and you have overheating fo sho. The
plug-in wi-fi card was a pain if you left it pluged in and accidentally
smash it. They are a bit hard to find now.

I put my laptop on one of those auxiliary fan pads. I got a big one for my 17" laptop and with the fan pads under my laptops, I can watch the temps drop when the pads are plugged in. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cool Monster

on 12/23/2015, Uncle Monster supposed :
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 10:21:22 AM UTC-6, Eagle wrote:
It happens that Tony Hwang formulated :
Terry Coombs wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:28:14 -0500, FrozenNorth
wrote:

I am not even sure you can upgrade directly from Vista to Win 10 for
free, or at all, I did see with a quick google that you can download
a Win 10 ISO file, burn to DVD and do a fresh install, but you would
lose everything.

My wife has some "sewing" software that may not be compatible. (her
Vista machine) Everything else would work if I'm correct. I could
check if it runs in "some" compatibility mode before I make the jump.

Or leave it alone for now. All she does is turn the machine on and
expects everything to work

Sounds like my wife . "Honey , the flubbernixer won't work , fix it."
She's using an older Tosh laptop , and it has overheating issues ...
probably because she sits it in her lap blocking the fan intake .
All XP , all the time .

Maybe you have to open it up, blow all the dust out, reapply HS paste
for the cpu. Old Toshiba is built very well.

Block the fan on that old laptop and you have overheating fo sho. The
plug-in wi-fi card was a pain if you left it pluged in and accidentally
smash it. They are a bit hard to find now.

I put my laptop on one of those auxiliary fan pads. I got a big one for my
17" laptop and with the fan pads under my laptops, I can watch the temps drop
when the pads are plugged in. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cool Monster

I used one of them thangs to air out My sheets... 8-o

Airborn Eagle

On 12/23/2015 10:57 AM, Eagle wrote:
After serious thinking Tony Hwang wrote :
Duh, you have to point where your driver files are(your USB stick)
make sure none are zipped or compressed form. Sounds like you are not
really upto it. Just download mediacreationtool(64 bit or 32 bit
version) depending your upgrade candidate. Run this utility, follow up
step by step. If you are unable to do this, you need babysitting help
holding your hands..

lol You need to change that 'tude feller.
See you on the next topic.

Computer problems can most easily be solved by
teenage boys.

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On 12/23/2015 11:00 AM, Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs submitted this idea :
Then you DL'ed the wrong driver DUH . Hey , I did the same thing
just the other day for the wife's laptop , took me 3 tries before I
found one that worked . Still can't figure out what happened , she's
been using that comp for months with no issues (other than overheating
...) .

The problem is dealt with and is no longer a problem.
Thanks for your input Terry. ^^

This thread has been on topic for too
long. Why, Godwin must be rolling over
in his grave.

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learn more about Jesus
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After serious thinking Stormin Mormon wrote :
On 12/23/2015 11:00 AM, Eagle wrote:
Terry Coombs submitted this idea :
Then you DL'ed the wrong driver DUH . Hey , I did the same thing
just the other day for the wife's laptop , took me 3 tries before I
found one that worked . Still can't figure out what happened , she's
been using that comp for months with no issues (other than overheating
...) .

The problem is dealt with and is no longer a problem.
Thanks for your input Terry. ^^

This thread has been on topic for too
long. Why, Godwin must be rolling over
in his grave.

If he did, he rolled over onto hitler.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:22:59 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:11:51 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:07:48 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem will
not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation to
activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?
Must activate 7 before upgrading to 10 or you are out of luck

Naaaaa....The call from MS took care of the problem, and now I have an
activated issue of W10 pro 64 bit. ^^
The one I was working on today wouldn't even install 10 because 7
wasn't activated - at least Win10 upgrade says it isn't activated.

I'll see when I get back to it - likely tomorrow.

OK, it's tomorrow Clare...
Didn't get to it yet.

On 12/22/2015 03:51 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:

[snip]

If you don't activate it, you don't get update, etc. You could just
update w7 to W10, if it can't it'll put back every back to W7.
Modem? You use it for faxing or modem? All my desk top, laptops updated
to W10 without a hitch. I manually updated to have triboot(Linux, W7,
W10) I need W7 and IE to flash blade for remote starter kit. If you call
MS, no warm body answers, just follow thru accordig to the prerecorded
message, you better have good hearing and good typing speed or you'll
spend quite a while to finish the process.

I have 2 W10 installations. One is an update from W8.1, and shows as
activated. The other is a clean installation that shows as not
activated. Both have been there since summer. There seems to be NO
difference in the updates available and installed on them.

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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:06:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I have 2 W10 installations. One is an update from W8.1, and shows as
activated. The other is a clean installation that shows as not
activated. Both have been there since summer. There seems to be NO
difference in the updates available and installed on them.

Don't you need to activate in a certain number of days?

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:31:50 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:22:59 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:11:51 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

explained :
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:07:48 -0800, "Eagle"
wrote:

wiped My HD and tried to load W7 ultimate, but the built-in modem will
not load. I then loaded w10 and tried to use My W7 activation to
activate W10, and was refused. W10 works, but get the activation
reminder on the desktop.

Any thoughts on working this issue?
Must activate 7 before upgrading to 10 or you are out of luck

Naaaaa....The call from MS took care of the problem, and now I have an
activated issue of W10 pro 64 bit. ^^
The one I was working on today wouldn't even install 10 because 7
wasn't activated - at least Win10 upgrade says it isn't activated.

I'll see when I get back to it - likely tomorrow.

OK, it's tomorrow Clare...
Didn't get to it yet.
Got to it - something wrong with the win7 install - it does not see
the key as valid - get 0xc004e003 error.

Reinstalling win 7 pro - see what happens this time. It's an older
computer - with an AMD processor - so I'm not going to waste much time
on it. If it doesn't work this time I'll "bin" it.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:17:38 -0500, wrote:

Got to it - something wrong with the win7 install - it does not see
the key as valid - get 0xc004e003 error.

Reinstalling win 7 pro - see what happens this time. It's an older
computer - with an AMD processor - so I'm not going to waste much time
on it. If it doesn't work this time I'll "bin" it.

This applies to Vista and likely Win 7 / 10

1. Click on the Start button and in the Start Search box type in:
slui.exe 4

2. Press the Enter key on your keyboard.

3. Select your Country.

4. Follow the instructions for phone activation (no charge).

NOTE: When you call that number, you will first hear an Automated
Voice. If the Automated Voice gives you an option to talk to a
Live Activation Rep, select that option. If not, do not enter any
numbers. This should force the Automated Voice to transfer you to
a Live Activation Rep. Trying to activate thru the Automated Voice
will not work, in your case, only thru the Live Activation Rep
will your activation be successful.


Only other thing I can think of there were a number of hardware
changes?