I went to a big city "big box" home repair store yesterday. I got most
of the stuff from my list, into my shopping cart, but I could not find
an outdoor thermometer (the old one I had outside my window broke
recently). The store is busy but lacks enough staff on duty. I had
already wasted a half hour in the electrical dept. trying to locate some
special parts, because there was no one there to assist. I finally find
a guy in the plumbing dept. and ask him where I can find an outdoor
thermometer. He tells me "thats not a plumbing item" [NO ****], but says
he will get someone to help me. 10 minutes go by, and finaly some young
guy arrives. I ask him "where in the store can I find some outdoor
thermometers". He replies "WE DONT HAVE THEM THIS TIME OF YEAR, BECAUSE
THEY ARE A SEASONAL ITEM". Trying to remain calm, I said "Then find me a
seasonal thermometer for the Winter Season". He looks at me with a very
puzzled expresion and says "that's a *SUMMER ITEM*", but they might be
in the garden center. Being a little annoyed by this time, I say
"There's temperature all year long, regardless of season". He tells me
to go look in the "garden center". Then walks away.

I go to the garden center (which is unheated), and it's very dark in
there. So I go to the nearby lumber desk, and have to wait another 10
minutes to find an employee. After waving my arms and nearly doing a
dance to get a guy's attention, he finally comes over. I tell him I was
told to go to the garden center to find thermometers and it's too dark
in there to see, "could you please turn the lights on". He says "I dont
know if we have them this time of year, but I'll look on the computer".
He looks them up, even goes on the store's website, and finally finds
them, and says "it looks like we have lots of them, which one do you
want (showing me the pictures on the screen). I said "can we just go see
them on the shelf". He flips on some lights in the garden center and we
find a whole shelf full of thermometers. -FINALLY-. I grab the one I
want and go back to the last of the shopping.

That's when I went to the "Closeout Lumber" section. I always like to
look in there for bargains. In there, I found a piece of metal trim made
for metal siding, and it's something I can use. It's marhed 25 cents per
foot. I grab it, and it's 10 foot long, and walk with it, back to the
lumber desk, knowing they have to print up a "slip" for these items.
After another long wait, I finally find someone who works there and it's
another young guy. He says "what do you need". I tell him this was in
the bargain area and I just need a slip for it.

He goes to the computer, and says "how much is it". I say, "it's a
quarter a foot". He says, "but what is the price" I said "I just told
you, it's a quarter a foot". He looks very puzzled.... I say, "It's 25
cents per foot, and it's 10 feet long". (He finally seems to
understand). Thats when he says, "hold on a minute, while I find a
calculator, so I get this right". He grabs a calculator from a desk, and
starts to push buttons, a minute later, he says "wow, this cant be
right.... lets try this again......". I tell him, "25 cents times 10 is
$2.50, simple math, just take the zero from the 10 and put it at the end
of the 25". He looks me straight in the eye, and says "are you sure?".
About the same moment his calculator says $2.50, and he says "you're
right, that will be $2.50. I did not say a word, (and I wont say what I
was thinking).....

With that accomplished, he enters the price into the computer, and asks
"what is it called". I said "it just says METAL TRIM on the sign. He
enters those words. Then I tell him I also need two pieces of vinyl
siding trim, from the outside building, it looks like *and I point to a
display on the wall*. He looks at the display, and says "I'll have to
look up the item number". He goes to the computer, when I tell him to
look at the sign on the wall, right next to the display, and it's says
the item number and the price right there. He says "Oh wow, it does".
Then for the 3rd time he asks me how many of them I want. I said TWO. I
did not say another word, because I felt like saying, "Dude, you're
"DUMBER THAN HELL".....

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

wrote:
I went to a big city "big box" home repair store yesterday. I got most
of the stuff from my list, into my shopping cart, but I could not find
an outdoor thermometer (the old one I had outside my window broke
recently). The store is busy but lacks enough staff on duty. I had
already wasted a half hour in the electrical dept. trying to locate some
special parts, because there was no one there to assist. I finally find
a guy in the plumbing dept. and ask him where I can find an outdoor
thermometer. He tells me "thats not a plumbing item" [NO ****], but says
he will get someone to help me. 10 minutes go by, and finaly some young
guy arrives. I ask him "where in the store can I find some outdoor
thermometers". He replies "WE DONT HAVE THEM THIS TIME OF YEAR, BECAUSE
THEY ARE A SEASONAL ITEM". Trying to remain calm, I said "Then find me a
seasonal thermometer for the Winter Season". He looks at me with a very
puzzled expresion and says "that's a *SUMMER ITEM*", but they might be
in the garden center. Being a little annoyed by this time, I say
"There's temperature all year long, regardless of season". He tells me
to go look in the "garden center". Then walks away.

I go to the garden center (which is unheated), and it's very dark in
there. So I go to the nearby lumber desk, and have to wait another 10
minutes to find an employee. After waving my arms and nearly doing a
dance to get a guy's attention, he finally comes over. I tell him I was
told to go to the garden center to find thermometers and it's too dark
in there to see, "could you please turn the lights on". He says "I dont
know if we have them this time of year, but I'll look on the computer".
He looks them up, even goes on the store's website, and finally finds
them, and says "it looks like we have lots of them, which one do you
want (showing me the pictures on the screen). I said "can we just go see
them on the shelf". He flips on some lights in the garden center and we
find a whole shelf full of thermometers. -FINALLY-. I grab the one I
want and go back to the last of the shopping.

That's when I went to the "Closeout Lumber" section. I always like to
look in there for bargains. In there, I found a piece of metal trim made
for metal siding, and it's something I can use. It's marhed 25 cents per
foot. I grab it, and it's 10 foot long, and walk with it, back to the
lumber desk, knowing they have to print up a "slip" for these items.
After another long wait, I finally find someone who works there and it's
another young guy. He says "what do you need". I tell him this was in
the bargain area and I just need a slip for it.

He goes to the computer, and says "how much is it". I say, "it's a
quarter a foot". He says, "but what is the price" I said "I just told
you, it's a quarter a foot". He looks very puzzled.... I say, "It's 25
cents per foot, and it's 10 feet long". (He finally seems to
understand). Thats when he says, "hold on a minute, while I find a
calculator, so I get this right". He grabs a calculator from a desk, and
starts to push buttons, a minute later, he says "wow, this cant be
right.... lets try this again......". I tell him, "25 cents times 10 is
$2.50, simple math, just take the zero from the 10 and put it at the end
of the 25". He looks me straight in the eye, and says "are you sure?".
About the same moment his calculator says $2.50, and he says "you're
right, that will be $2.50. I did not say a word, (and I wont say what I
was thinking).....

With that accomplished, he enters the price into the computer, and asks
"what is it called". I said "it just says METAL TRIM on the sign. He
enters those words. Then I tell him I also need two pieces of vinyl
siding trim, from the outside building, it looks like *and I point to a
display on the wall*. He looks at the display, and says "I'll have to
look up the item number". He goes to the computer, when I tell him to
look at the sign on the wall, right next to the display, and it's says
the item number and the price right there. He says "Oh wow, it does".
Then for the 3rd time he asks me how many of them I want. I said TWO. I
did not say another word, because I felt like saying, "Dude, you're
"DUMBER THAN HELL".....

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Alternative is on line shopping. Dumber than dumber. Dummies never go to
hell.

On 2015-12-20, Tony Hwang wrote:
Alternative is on line shopping. Dumber than dumber. Dummies never go to
hell.

Another alternative is a good local hardware store that has knowledgeable
staff. Fortunately the big box guys haven't managed to put them all out
of business. In fact I'll normally go to the local hardware store first
to avoid the kind of scenario painted by the OP.

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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2015-12-20, Tony Hwang wrote:
Alternative is on line shopping. Dumber than dumber. Dummies never go to
hell.

Another alternative is a good local hardware store that has knowledgeable
staff. Fortunately the big box guys haven't managed to put them all out
of business. In fact I'll normally go to the local hardware store first
to avoid the kind of scenario painted by the OP.

One thing worth knowing, the HD, which used to have a computer that
was only good for applying for a job, I think, and another that only
the staff could use, now has a computer, at least the one near me
does, that has the HD webpage. You can search for what you want and
once it finds it it shows the aisle and the bay. The bays are maked
on the posts, even if one doesn't normally notice that. It works
pretty well. And you can do this before you leave home, but many
times you don't know there's a problem until you're there.

OTOH Microcenter near me used to have computers for customers to check
their stock, but they took them out The helpful employee didnt' know
why. And it's a computer store.

On 12/20/2015 05:27 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

Another alternative is a good local hardware store that has knowledgeable
staff. Fortunately the big box guys haven't managed to put them all out
of business. In fact I'll normally go to the local hardware store first
to avoid the kind of scenario painted by the OP.


There used to be a couple of local hardware stores around here. Both
old. There were good places to go when you needed to ask someone who knows.

Neither lasted long after Lowes moved in.

--
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AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"By simple common sense, I don't believe in God." -- Charlie Chaplin

"Mark Lloyd"
4 days until Christmas (Friday December 25, 2015 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd

On 12/20/2015 5:58 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Alternative is on line shopping. Dumber than dumber. Dummies never go to
hell.

Online is frequented by full quoters.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:58:53 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Alternative is on line shopping. Dumber than dumber. Dummies never go to
hell.

You cant buy lumber, sheets of plywood, concrete blocks, plumbing pipes,
or 10 foot long pieces of metal trim online.... -OR- If you can, I would
not want to pay the shipping prices.... Nor am I willing to wait for the
shipping time to receive common items such as electrical items.

I might buy electronic/computer parts, clothing, movies, music, books
and that sort of thing online, but NOT most home repair stuff.

I WILL buy a DAMPER online, for my bathroom exhaust fan, if I can find
one (from another thread). The stores dont have them.

Online shopping is over rated in my opinion. I like to see and feel what
I buy. Plus some stuff just cant be shipped (at least not affordably).
I recently bought a computer keyboard online. When I got it, I hated the
"feel" of it. So, I'm still using my old keyboard which has most of the
letters worn off of it, while that new one sits in my closet....

Then too, last winter I bought a computer monitor online. The shipper
refused to deliver it, because my almost one mile long driveway was icy.
(I clean it as best I can, and I drive on it daily). After waiting over
2 months, I finally had to go thru a long and difficult process of
excessive paperwork to modify the shipping address, so it would be
delivered to a friends house (in town). Finally, 3.5 months later it
arrived at his house, and then I had to drive there to get it.
In the end, I saved about $25 off the shelf price of buying it at a
store, but had to spend at least 3 hours of time filling out forms,
reading emails about their refusal to deliver it, mailing stuff (which
costs postage), and then being without my monitor for 3.5 months. Then
finally driving to get it which costs me for gas.

The monitor was fine, but if my time is only worth "minimum wages" plus
my other costs incurred, it cost me more than the savings, not to
mention the annoyance factor.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:40:41 -0600, wrote:

The monitor was fine, but if my time is only worth "minimum wages" plus
my other costs incurred, it cost me more than the savings, not to
mention the annoyance factor.

**** dude. The world is against you. Go hang yourself, miserable
*******.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600, wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600,
wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout,
hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked
me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire
'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all
your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

you've noticed that, too, huh?
I see a trend........

ChairMan wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600,
wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout,
hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked
me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire
'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all
your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

you've noticed that, too, huh?
I see a trend........


Today's kids are so lazy. They don't work hard to go ahead of pack.
I spent more than 25 years at university. About 85% kids should nt be
there. I don't know what they're learning or taught. They better go to
tech school to make a decent living. Son teaches guitar and drum for
kids part time on week end. He says some of them never practice. Quite a
few doesn't even have drum set or guitar to practice at home. What their
parents thinking? Music studio as a baby sitting place? No practice no
progress.
Best students are pre-teens under 10 years old. Older kids are mostly
no good.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:51:24 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Today's kids are so lazy. They don't work hard to go ahead of pack.

They have poor supervision and management. Clerks are not the problem
if they haven't been trained to provide good customer service.

I hand picked people on my shift - inmates didn't get to run the
asylum. I pawned them off on the other shifts.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:54:46 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600,
wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout,
hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked
me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire
'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all
your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

you've noticed that, too, huh?
I see a trend........


Home Gay has changed nyms

Same style of being miserable, though.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:54:46 -0600, "ChairMan"

wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600,
wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout,
hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she
checked
me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire
'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all
your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

you've noticed that, too, huh?
I see a trend........


Home Gay has changed nyms

he does so, regularly


Same style of being miserable, though.

true

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:25:00 -0800, Oren wrote in


On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600, wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

+1
--
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600, wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

Long too. He likes to write.

"dadiOH" wrote in :

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600, wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with
no problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten
Dropouts' at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

Long too. He likes to write.

Probably doesn't have anything else to do with his life.

Oren posted for all of us...



On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:36:00 -0600, wrote:

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

Sounds like you can qualify for the position. Most all your postings
are about bitching and ranting about others.

I think he should shoot to the top. Customer relations or district manager.
That way he would be in contact with more customers whom would mutter
"asshole" to themselves when leaving. Spread the goodness.

--
Tekkie

On 12/20/2015 5:36 PM, wrote:
I went to a big city "big box" home repair store yesterday. I got most
of the stuff from my list, into my shopping cart, but I could not find
an outdoor thermometer (the old one I had outside my window broke
recently). The store is busy but lacks enough staff on duty. I had
already wasted a half hour in the electrical dept. trying to locate some
special parts, because there was no one there to assist. I finally find
a guy in the plumbing dept. and ask him where I can find an outdoor
thermometer. He tells me "thats not a plumbing item" [NO ****], but says
he will get someone to help me. 10 minutes go by, and finaly some young
guy arrives. I ask him "where in the store can I find some outdoor
thermometers". He replies "WE DONT HAVE THEM THIS TIME OF YEAR, BECAUSE
THEY ARE A SEASONAL ITEM". Trying to remain calm, I said "Then find me a
seasonal thermometer for the Winter Season". He looks at me with a very
puzzled expresion and says "that's a *SUMMER ITEM*", but they might be
in the garden center.

Simple solution that I seem to be using more and more. If you enter
"outdoor thermometer" in the search box at Amazon you get over 31,000 to
choose from. I think I placed 6 orders just this week for both gifts
and personal items not easily found elsewhere.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:51:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Simple solution that I seem to be using more and more. If you enter
"outdoor thermometer" in the search box at Amazon you get over 31,000 to
choose from. I think I placed 6 orders just this week for both gifts
and personal items not easily found elsewhere.

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.

I reserve my online shopping to parts and rare items I can get no other
way, and that is a LAST RESORT. Something common, like a thermometer is
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.

wrote in message
...
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.


Credit cards are not safe in stores either. Just look at what hapened at
the Target stores last Christmas, or maybe it was the one before.
My son for one had his debit card info stolen from them.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:29:10 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.


Credit cards are not safe in stores either. Just look at what hapened at
the Target stores last Christmas, or maybe it was the one before.
My son for one had his debit card info stolen from them.


I rarely use credit/debit cards in stores too. I use cash, or if it's a
large priced item, I write a check.

I use my credit cards to pay utility bills, and sometimes at the local
gas station, because I KNOW them, and I dont always have enough cash in
my pocket when I need gas.

I feel much safer using a C.C at a local store than a large chain store
like Target, Home Depot, Walmart, or other such places. When I buy farm
items from our local Farm Supply, I feel pretty safe using my C.C. They
use the same bank I do, and if they were to cheat me, both I and my bank
would know right away who did it.

Another thing I wont even consider is online banking. What a stupid
idea! I may as well just post my credit card # on this newsgroup along
with all my other identity info, and say "Help Yourself".

On 12/20/2015 7:52 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:29:10 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.


Credit cards are not safe in stores either. Just look at what hapened at
the Target stores last Christmas, or maybe it was the one before.
My son for one had his debit card info stolen from them.


I rarely use credit/debit cards in stores too. I use cash, or if it's a
large priced item, I write a check.

Bad idea.

For higher priced items, the extra year of warranty that is offered by
many credit cards is well worth the small hassle if a credit card is
compromised. And it's not like a debit card where you can lose money
from your account and then have to fight to get it back, it's just the
hassle of getting a new credit card.

I recently called Amex because a point and shoot camera with a one year
warranty had stopped working on a trip. I expected a hassle. There was
none. They looked up the transaction and they did not even want the
camera back, they just credited my account for the full cost. On higher
value items they want some verification though, a quote for the repair cost.

There's also the 2% cash back on a good credit card. It really adds up
over a year. We get back close to $1000 per year. Remember, the credit
card company's commissions are essentially built in to all retail
pricing already, so unless a company offers a cash discount it's better
off financially to pay with a credit card.

On 12/20/2015 9:52 PM, wrote:

Another thing I wont even consider is online banking. What a stupid
idea! I may as well just post my credit card # on this newsgroup along
with all my other identity info, and say "Help Yourself".


Your banking information is already online. Are you under the delusion
that banks aren't using computer networks to store and transmit
everyone's banking information?

posted for all of us...



I feel much safer using a C.C at a local store than a large chain store
like Target, Home Depot, Walmart, or other such places. When I buy farm
items from our local Farm Supply, I feel pretty safe using my C.C. They
use the same bank I do, and if they were to cheat me, both I and my bank
would know right away who did it.



From experience, is it true if you are going to sodomize a farm animal it
should be a horse? Because you at least have a ride home? Does the horse
take CC's?

--
Tekkie is

On 12/20/2015 7:52 PM, wrote:

snip

I rarely use credit/debit cards in stores too. I use cash, or if it's a
large priced item, I write a check.

Checks carry a far greater risk to you than credit cards.

On 12/20/2015 9:29 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
wrote in message
...
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.


Credit cards are not safe in stores either. Just look at what hapened at
the Target stores last Christmas, or maybe it was the one before.
My son for one had his debit card info stolen from them.

Exactly! Folks are shy about using their credit cards on a commercial
site with SSL security and the "blessing" from MOST credit card issuers
that they will NOT be held liable for any unauthorized charges. Yet,
these same individuals will hand their credit card over to some kid
working for minimum wage and tips at a restaurant or bar, leaving the
card out of sight for several minutes not knowing that the waiter could
either copy down the information off the card or scan it and clone it.

On 12/20/2015 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:51:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Simple solution that I seem to be using more and more. If you enter
"outdoor thermometer" in the search box at Amazon you get over 31,000 to
choose from. I think I placed 6 orders just this week for both gifts
and personal items not easily found elsewhere.

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.


I've shopped in real stores for over 60 years too. Many have gone to
crap as you noted, thus my reason to go on line to do a lot of shopping.

As for returning things, Ive never had to. In my entire life I've only
ever had to return three or four items as I'm careful with my purchases.

There is no other solution for you, I'm afraid so you can keep
complaining and nothing will improve. It will, however, get worse.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:45:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I've shopped in real stores for over 60 years too. Many have gone to
crap as you noted, thus my reason to go on line to do a lot of shopping.

As for returning things, Ive never had to. In my entire life I've only
ever had to return three or four items as I'm careful with my purchases.

There is no other solution for you, I'm afraid so you can keep
complaining and nothing will improve. It will, however, get worse.

The store had my needs, but the help was horrible. You're right, there
is nothing I can do about it, but I have complained to store management
often, and I may have a word with their main office this week. I've had
to return lots of stuff both online and at stores. I just returned a
shovel to that same store yesterday, because the handle broke off after
an hours use. I had no problem with that return.

For me to shop online requires many hours of my time. On dialup it takes
a long time to load webpages. Then I get my total and have to go buy a
disposible card. Then I place my order and wait. With any luck I wont
have hassles getting my item.

How can you say "I'm careful with my purchases", when you buy online?
You cant see the stuff or feel if it's durable... My shovel "looked"
durable, but it had a hidden defect. I might buy a book or movie or
music online. That stuff usually dont have defects, but unless the price
is WAY below the store price, I'm spending more online, by the time I
pay $5 for my disposible card and S&H and everything else. And I still
have to wait for the item. I dont mind waiting for a book or movie, but
if I have to wait for a part for my car, I cant drive it until my part
arrives..... Or i cant proceed with my home repairs while waiting for
online parts.

I could have waited for my thermometer, but I paid $8 for it. Online,
I'd already have the $5 fee for the disposible card, so the thermometer
would have to cost less than $3 to even justify it. I guess I'd rather
waste a half hour in a store, than spend 4 hours waiting for websites to
load. Even if I wanted to spend close to $100 a month MORE than I pay
now, to get FAST internet, I could not justify that amount on the
savings I may get shopping online, since I am not a big consumer.

The stores will continue to have poor workers and I'll continue to call
their main offices and complain.... This instance was much worse than
most..... Generally I'm fairly satisfied in stores!

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:17:55 -0600, wrote:

I just returned a
shovel to that same store yesterday, because the handle broke off after
an hours use. I had no problem with that return.

I forgot. Last week I returned a newspaper, at the supermarekt. I
bought it Wednesay and it was Tuesday's paper. That would be okay,
but I'd also bought Tuesday's paper, the previous day.

I told them I donn't mind you selling old papers but you've never done
it before, so I ddin't check. I had no problem with the return.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:45:22 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 12/20/2015 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:51:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Simple solution that I seem to be using more and more. If you enter
"outdoor thermometer" in the search box at Amazon you get over 31,000 to
choose from. I think I placed 6 orders just this week for both gifts
and personal items not easily found elsewhere.

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.


I've shopped in real stores for over 60 years too. Many have gone to

I don't think I started shopping in stores until I was 5, and that was
only Bush's, a corner grocery. They had two-for-a-penny candy, but I
didn't like it. I woudl get one-for-a-penny candy which truly was
twice as good. For one thing, it might be made of chocolate, which
the other stuff never was. When there was a premium in a box of
cereal, but the supermarket didnt' have any more, we'd go to Bush's.

It was only about 300 feet from my back yard. It's changed and it
sells medical supplies now.

There was also a toy store on the far corner away from the JHS. The
JHS was a long block and a half from the front yard, to their property
and another 800 feet across their lot to the school, but I only went
in when I was taking swimming. I would look in the toy store, but
even though my family had enough money, I had none, so I never bought
anything. It's changed and it sells medical supplies now.

Populatoin of the town has gone from 50,000 in 1955 to 22,000 now. No
new people moving in, no need for toys, much need for medical
supplies.

The high school is now a combination JHS/HS and the JHS is now 3 to 6,
the only school in the whole town for those grades. If I were 8
again, it would still be in easy walking distance, though my
girlfriend thinks no one would let his little kid walk their alone.
She doesn't know what small towns are like.

Though now she lives ina new expensive development in a rural county
and one mother drives her 10 year old 300 feet and then waits with him
until the school bus comes, even in warm weather. Meets him the
afternoon too. The county is the next one from me. If there were
child abductions I'd hear about it, and there aren't. It's pitiful.

crap as you noted, thus my reason to go on line to do a lot of shopping.

As for returning things, Ive never had to. In my entire life I've only
ever had to return three or four items as I'm careful with my purchases.

I've never returned anything online. I had something fail in 88 days,
but by tthe time I determined it had failed, it was 92 days and they
wouldnt' warrant it. Later I found out it hadn't failed. I'd rushed
because I knew the 90 days was close to expiring.

In person I've returned 30 or 40 or more things, just aboutr all of
them y hardware.

There is no other solution for you, I'm afraid so you can keep
complaining and nothing will improve. It will, however, get worse.

On 12/20/2015 8:57 PM, wrote:

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.


Are you by chance married to Julie Bove? Your attention-troll
whine-style is exactly like hers.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 08:41:33 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

On 12/20/2015 8:57 PM, wrote:

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.


Are you by chance married to Julie Bove? Your attention-troll
whine-style is exactly like hers.

No. It's Home Guy, the other troll. Different trailer park.

Oren posted for all of us...



On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 08:41:33 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

On 12/20/2015 8:57 PM, wrote:

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.


Are you by chance married to Julie Bove? Your attention-troll
whine-style is exactly like hers.

No. It's Home Guy, the other troll. Different trailer park.

I was thinking this guy has his own Dumpster.

--
Tekkie

posted for all of us...



On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:51:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Simple solution that I seem to be using more and more. If you enter
"outdoor thermometer" in the search box at Amazon you get over 31,000 to
choose from. I think I placed 6 orders just this week for both gifts
and personal items not easily found elsewhere.

NOT a "simple solution" at all, when you only have dialup internet....
And I think I was clear when I said I dont care to shop online, because
I cant see or feel the items. I've shopped in REAL stores for over 60
years, and dont want or need to change now, to he hassles of online
shopping and dealing with the shipping and postage and hassled to return
stuff that is not what I wanted, or junk.

WE don't care. The only thing you feel is through the hole in your pants
pocket. The real stores muttered "asshole" when you left. You are a
dinosaur, have you changed your panties lately?

I reserve my online shopping to parts and rare items I can get no other
way, and that is a LAST RESORT. Something common, like a thermometer is
NOT something "Rare". And the store DID have lots of them. Not to
mention I bought it yesterday and am already using it. Not waiting a
week or more to get it. Additionally, everytime I order something
online, I still have to go to a store to buy a prepaid disposible credit
card, because i'm not stupid enough to give out my REAL Credit card #
over the internet. NOTHING is safe or secure on the internet, even
though these companies want you to believe it is.

How's the rectal thermometer taste after being left outside overnight? Does
your dog slam and lock the door when you head out. You probably have a
Bitchen. The cops keep a special watch on your credit card because they
don't want to deal with you any more. Nothing is secure any more. Get used
to it. The are special markings outside to warm the home invaders where you
live; even they don't want to listen to you.

--
Tekkie

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-6, wrote:
I went to a big city "big box" home repair store yesterday. I got most
of the stuff from my list, into my shopping cart, but I could not find
an outdoor thermometer (the old one I had outside my window broke
recently). The store is busy but lacks enough staff on duty. I had
already wasted a half hour in the electrical dept. trying to locate some
special parts, because there was no one there to assist. I finally find
a guy in the plumbing dept. and ask him where I can find an outdoor
thermometer. He tells me "thats not a plumbing item" [NO ****], but says
he will get someone to help me. 10 minutes go by, and finaly some young
guy arrives. I ask him "where in the store can I find some outdoor
thermometers". He replies "WE DONT HAVE THEM THIS TIME OF YEAR, BECAUSE
THEY ARE A SEASONAL ITEM". Trying to remain calm, I said "Then find me a
seasonal thermometer for the Winter Season". He looks at me with a very
puzzled expresion and says "that's a *SUMMER ITEM*", but they might be
in the garden center. Being a little annoyed by this time, I say
"There's temperature all year long, regardless of season". He tells me
to go look in the "garden center". Then walks away.

I go to the garden center (which is unheated), and it's very dark in
there. So I go to the nearby lumber desk, and have to wait another 10
minutes to find an employee. After waving my arms and nearly doing a
dance to get a guy's attention, he finally comes over. I tell him I was
told to go to the garden center to find thermometers and it's too dark
in there to see, "could you please turn the lights on". He says "I dont
know if we have them this time of year, but I'll look on the computer".
He looks them up, even goes on the store's website, and finally finds
them, and says "it looks like we have lots of them, which one do you
want (showing me the pictures on the screen). I said "can we just go see
them on the shelf". He flips on some lights in the garden center and we
find a whole shelf full of thermometers. -FINALLY-. I grab the one I
want and go back to the last of the shopping.

That's when I went to the "Closeout Lumber" section. I always like to
look in there for bargains. In there, I found a piece of metal trim made
for metal siding, and it's something I can use. It's marhed 25 cents per
foot. I grab it, and it's 10 foot long, and walk with it, back to the
lumber desk, knowing they have to print up a "slip" for these items.
After another long wait, I finally find someone who works there and it's
another young guy. He says "what do you need". I tell him this was in
the bargain area and I just need a slip for it.

He goes to the computer, and says "how much is it". I say, "it's a
quarter a foot". He says, "but what is the price" I said "I just told
you, it's a quarter a foot". He looks very puzzled.... I say, "It's 25
cents per foot, and it's 10 feet long". (He finally seems to
understand). Thats when he says, "hold on a minute, while I find a
calculator, so I get this right". He grabs a calculator from a desk, and
starts to push buttons, a minute later, he says "wow, this cant be
right.... lets try this again......". I tell him, "25 cents times 10 is
$2.50, simple math, just take the zero from the 10 and put it at the end
of the 25". He looks me straight in the eye, and says "are you sure?".
About the same moment his calculator says $2.50, and he says "you're
right, that will be $2.50. I did not say a word, (and I wont say what I
was thinking).....

With that accomplished, he enters the price into the computer, and asks
"what is it called". I said "it just says METAL TRIM on the sign. He
enters those words. Then I tell him I also need two pieces of vinyl
siding trim, from the outside building, it looks like *and I point to a
display on the wall*. He looks at the display, and says "I'll have to
look up the item number". He goes to the computer, when I tell him to
look at the sign on the wall, right next to the display, and it's says
the item number and the price right there. He says "Oh wow, it does".
Then for the 3rd time he asks me how many of them I want. I said TWO. I
did not say another word, because I felt like saying, "Dude, you're
"DUMBER THAN HELL".....

Finally I'm done shopping, and proceed to the checkout, hoping the
checkout clerk has a brain..... (Thankfully, she checked me out with no
problems).

I've come to the conclusion that they only hire 'Kindergarten Dropouts'
at that store......

The educational system was infested long ago by Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks who's goal was to implement their agenda which was to cause,"The Dumbassification Of America". Their reason being that a poorly educated less intelligent population is more easily manipulated into falling for the nonsense Democrats are selling. How else could a completely unqualified, unvetted, Affirmative Action moron be elected President? Š™.˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Stumped Monster

On 12/21/2015 12:19 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

The educational system was infested long ago by Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks who's goal was to implement their agenda which was to cause,"The Dumbassification Of America". Their reason being that a poorly educated less intelligent population is more easily manipulated into falling for the nonsense Democrats are selling. How else could a completely unqualified, unvetted, Affirmative Action moron be elected President? Š™.˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Stumped Monster


You will love this column by Walter Williams:

http://townhall.com/columnists/walte...ation-n2090157

He points out that most college students do not belong there but more
interesting is a similar comment about professors.

Most professors have never really left school. They might get a PhD and
just go to teach college with no real knowledge of the real world.

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-6, Frank wrote:
On 12/21/2015 12:19 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

The educational system was infested long ago by Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks who's goal was to implement their agenda which was to cause,"The Dumbassification Of America". Their reason being that a poorly educated less intelligent population is more easily manipulated into falling for the nonsense Democrats are selling. How else could a completely unqualified, unvetted, Affirmative Action moron be elected President? Š™..˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Stumped Monster


You will love this column by Walter Williams:

http://townhall.com/columnists/walte...ation-n2090157

He points out that most college students do not belong there but more
interesting is a similar comment about professors.

Most professors have never really left school. They might get a PhD and
just go to teach college with no real knowledge of the real world.

When I left college, I quickly transformed from a Liberal into a not so sure then slowly morphed into a Conservative. Reality bites. If someone never leaves college, they never grow up. In college they don't have to produce anything in order to obtain money. College professors don't actually produce anything except more potential college professors. (€¢€¿€¢)

[8~{} Uncle Conservative Monster

On 12/21/2015 11:57 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 7:38:07 AM UTC-6, Frank wrote:
On 12/21/2015 12:19 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

The educational system was infested long ago by Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks who's goal was to implement their agenda which was to cause,"The Dumbassification Of America". Their reason being that a poorly educated less intelligent population is more easily manipulated into falling for the nonsense Democrats are selling. How else could a completely unqualified, unvetted, Affirmative Action moron be elected President? Š™.˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Stumped Monster


You will love this column by Walter Williams:

http://townhall.com/columnists/walte...ation-n2090157

He points out that most college students do not belong there but more
interesting is a similar comment about professors.

Most professors have never really left school. They might get a PhD and
just go to teach college with no real knowledge of the real world.

When I left college, I quickly transformed from a Liberal into a not so sure then slowly morphed into a Conservative. Reality bites. If someone never leaves college, they never grow up. In college they don't have to produce anything in order to obtain money. College professors don't actually produce anything except more potential college professors. (€¢€¿€¢)

[8~{} Uncle Conservative Monster


I left college to go into R&D at the formerly worlds largest chemical
company - campus like setting, predominated by liberals and socialists.

If you moved to the actual business operations, like the plant sites,
folks were conservative.

I had been a registered Democrat but rapidly converted when I saw I was
paying ~40% of my income in taxes. A fellow grad student who had
returned from industry to get an advanced degree had predicted to me
that my politics would change when I left college. He was right.