Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:57:49 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.


Beats me. It could be a drive controller on the MB going bad. Could
be other things - lost setting in the BIOS. When you hit DEL on
reboot it found the master again.

- check the cable on the drive, disconnect from the MB & drive and
connect it again

- Boot sector corruption on the drive?

- Do a virus scan

Run Belarc Advisor http://www.belarc.com/ a free product. Do the
definition update. Cut and paste the OS, Drives, Controllers & Virus
Protection parts of the report back here.

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Snuffy Hub Cap McKinney wrote:
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(?)_/¯

True. If dead it would likely ask for a date and time, but the BIOS
found his drive, showed up again as the master when he hit DEL into
the BIOS.

On 08/14/2015 01:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(?)_/¯

True. If dead it would likely ask for a date and time, but the BIOS
found his drive, showed up again as the master when he hit DEL into
the BIOS.




I'd correct the settings in the BIOS and if they don't stick, then it's
time for a new CMOS battery

"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message ...
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

------

"philo" wrote in message ...

I'd correct the settings in the BIOS and if they don't stick, then it's
time for a new CMOS battery

------

Thanks, philo. No time/date or other errors seen, but this system is 9 years old and past due for a new battery. I found this info that might help someone else....

http://ccm.net/faq/625-replacing-the...d-cmos-battery

Symptoms

If your computer is experiencing problems with the date and time or you see the following error messages:

- bios cmos checksum error defaults loaded
- bios cmos battery low cmos wrong memory size
- no operating system
- CPU overclocking failed
- New CPU has been installed

Replacement sequence
It is recommended that you change the CMOS battery every 5 years.

Saving the BIOS data
Open the BIOS screen and note all the information on a piece of paper. It's important that you don't make any modifications. Once completed this document will be useful to check out if all the parameters are correctly inserted after replacing the battery.


Removing the discharged battery
First of all, be sure that your System unit is laid down horizontally. The positive pole of the battery should be visible. Remove the battery, but avoid forcing it and any contact with other parts of your motherboard (refer to the manual provide with your motherboard). Go to your local retailer any buy a battery of the same model or something equivalent.


Installing the new battery
Be sure that the battery is placed correctly (firmly) in the slot allocated
Verify the BIOS data and resetting the clock

Once the operation complete, it is important to configure the BIOS settings:
- Start your PC.
- Enter the BIOS.
- Modify the date.
- Check the parameters are the same as the ones noted in step 1. Perform any modifications required if not
- Save and quit BIOS.

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:17:15 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

No time/date or other errors seen, but this system is 9 years old and past due for a new battery.

Given that age, the BIOS likely has an auto-detect feature. Replace
the battery, enter the BIOS and select auto-detect (hardware). Save
and exit.

YMMV

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. Å»\_(?)_/Å»

True. If dead it would likely ask for a date and time, but the BIOS
found his drive, showed up again as the master when he hit DEL into
the BIOS.

If the voltage gets low, the date and time may remain unaffected but I've seen weird behavior that's mitigated when a new battery is installed. Sometimes you must default the BIOS and start over. There are also cosmic rays and Bush you can blame it on. O_o

[8~{} Uncle BIOS Monster

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ?\_(?)_/?

True. If dead it would likely ask for a date and time, but the BIOS
found his drive, showed up again as the master when he hit DEL into
the BIOS.

If the voltage gets low, the date and time may remain unaffected but I've seen weird behavior that's mitigated when a new battery is installed. Sometimes you must default the BIOS and start over. There are also cosmic rays and Bush you can blame it on. O_o

[8~{} Uncle BIOS Monster

You used to have to set the drives manually, later the BIOS would
auto-detect them. Maybe Hillary wiped his BIOS out :-\

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Snuffy Hub Cap McKinney wrote:
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

How could he boot if that is the case?

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 7:23:49 PM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Snuffy Hub Cap McKinney wrote:
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

How could he boot if that is the case?

Most computers I've dealt with will boot without a BIOS battery. It comes up in a default configuration with the date the BIOS was published. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle
Monster wrote:

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 7:23:49 PM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Snuffy Hub Cap McKinney wrote:
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. ¯\_(?)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

How could he boot if that is the case?

Most computers I've dealt with will boot without a BIOS battery. It comes up in a default configuration with the date the BIOS was published. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

Yes. The Mac 2, and maybe other macs?, is an exception to that rule.
Even though a moderately handy person can replace the soldered in bios
battery of a mac2 with a battery holder and a cheap-enough battery, I'll
bet most took it to a mac repairman and endured a high service bill.

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 6:28:06 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle
Monster wrote:

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 7:23:49 PM UTC-5, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Snuffy Hub Cap McKinney wrote:
Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up.. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master.. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I wonder if your Bios battery could be dead or dying. Something like that can cause computer dementia. Å»\_(?)_/Å»

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

How could he boot if that is the case?

Most computers I've dealt with will boot without a BIOS battery. It comes up in a default configuration with the date the BIOS was published. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

Yes. The Mac 2, and maybe other macs?, is an exception to that rule.
Even though a moderately handy person can replace the soldered in bios
battery of a mac2 with a battery holder and a cheap-enough battery, I'll
bet most took it to a mac repairman and endured a high service bill.

Those lithium coin cell battery holders have the same lead locations as solder in lithium coin cells. I've installed many of them in all sorts of digital electronic equipment that has programmable features especially commercial electronic/digital telephone systems which have a much longer life cycle than a desktop or laptop computer and some of those phone systems can have been in service for 25 years after going through numerous battery replacements. (¬€¿Â¬)

[8~{} Uncle Coin Monster

On 8/15/15 7:28 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:23:48 -0700 (PDT), Uncle
Monster wrote:


Most computers I've dealt with will boot without a BIOS battery. It
comes up in a default configuration with the date the BIOS was
published. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle CPU Monster

Yes. The Mac 2, and maybe other macs?, is an exception to that
rule. Even though a moderately handy person can replace the soldered
in bios battery of a mac2 with a battery holder and a cheap-enough
battery, I'll bet most took it to a mac repairman and endured a high
service bill.


What Macintosh ever had BIOS? The Mac II had a lithium backup battery.
If it failed 10 or 20 years down the road, I suppose you'd have to set
the date and time each time you booted.

The only Mac I know that needed a PRAM battery to start wasn't made by
Apple. It was the Tanzania-based StarMax, a Motorola clone. It's also
the only Mac I know whose battery would die before the owner. It was a
4.5 V alkaline in a plastic case with a velcro strip and a connector on
leads several inches long.

I don't know why you PC guys use a term so un-PC as "master-slave." BDSM
is no laughing matter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:57:49 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub
Cap\" McKinney" wrote:

Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I confess. When you were eating I was modifying your settings. Sorry.

I regret what I did. I'm glad everything turned out all right

You'd be better off posting to xp.general than xp help.

And uncle, why did you remove the other ng from the list? Does your
software make you do that or did you want to exclude them? It would
help Snuffy (What a name. Reminds me of Snuffy Smith. That's why I
attacked your computer in the first place.)

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 5:16:15 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:57:49 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub
Cap\" McKinney" wrote:

Pardon the cross-posting. win2000 newsgroup is practically dead.

What could have happened to cause this problem? Master and slave drives were switched without me doing anything.....

The system has Windows 2000 Prof. Today I shut down powered down the system as usual - Start Shut down, etc. The an hour later powered up. When the first screen came up, I noticed the slave drive mfr/model was listed as master and vice versa. I let it start up as normal, and the desktop was like when first installed. Opened Windows Explorer and c: drive was in fact the former slave. Former master was now one of the other drive letters. All the other drives were there, but with different letters.

I also noticed something in the recycle bin - which is normally empty. It has a couple of backup folders that had been on the original master. They were 1-2 GB each, and there's no way I would have deleted those accidentally. If they were deleted it would take a minute on this machine to go thru the deletion process. So I moved them back to a safe place on a drive.

Then I hit start shutdown restart. Hit DEL and sure enough they were showing up as being switched. I set it up to manually set them back, rebooted and all came up normally again.

Now all is back to normal.

I confess. When you were eating I was modifying your settings. Sorry.

I regret what I did. I'm glad everything turned out all right

You'd be better off posting to xp.general than xp help.

And uncle, why did you remove the other ng from the list? Does your
software make you do that or did you want to exclude them? It would
help Snuffy (What a name. Reminds me of Snuffy Smith. That's why I
attacked your computer in the first place.)



Duh, wut? I'm powerless to harm anyone with my Chromebook and Google Groups.. I feel naked and alone, err, wait, let me pull up my shorts. These big boy disposable pull-ups don't fit that well. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Chrome Monster