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I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least
for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy”. Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky
wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy”. Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 6:00:34 AM UTC-4, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. Heating the phone with a hair dryer set on low also works, since it evaporates the water quickly.... |
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On 07/13/2015 08:10 AM, bob haller wrote:
I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. Heating the phone with a hair dryer set on low also works, since it evaporates the water quickly.... My reservation about all these suggested methods of drying out the phone is that they do nothing about whatever dissolved salts that were in the water, the residue of which could be conductive or otherwise harmful to delicate electronics. My inclination would be to rinse it with deionized or distilled water first, and only then dry it out by whatever method is safest. Perce |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:10:46 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 6:00:34 AM UTC-4, Seymore4Head wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. Heating the phone with a hair dryer set on low also works, since it evaporates the water quickly.... You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a removable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electronics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a problem that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for phones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-) http://www.droid-life.com/2015/07/02...phone-cooling/ http://archive.ksdk.com/rss/article/...ve-heat-stroke [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote: You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a re= movable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electr= onics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets= too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a proble= m that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for ph= ones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-) So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment, warmed by the heater? http://www.droid-life.com/2015/07/02...phone-cooling/ "The system only runs when drivers turn on the HVAC system." This is ambigous. If it had said only runs when drivers turn on the AC**, that woudl answer my question, but they include the heat. So if it's cold out and people are using the heat, that means the HVAC system is on. **I suppose this is what they mean but I just wish people woudl pay more attenttion to what they say. http://archive.ksdk.com/rss/article/...e-heat=-stroke [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster Why can't they use that semiconductor cooler, with no moving parts, like is used in picnic coolers? Don't those work? |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 1:29:15 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster wrote: You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a re= movable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electr= onics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets= too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a proble= m that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for ph= ones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-) So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment, warmed by the heater? http://www.droid-life.com/2015/07/02...phone-cooling/ "The system only runs when drivers turn on the HVAC system." This is ambigous. If it had said only runs when drivers turn on the AC**, that woudl answer my question, but they include the heat. So if it's cold out and people are using the heat, that means the HVAC system is on. **I suppose this is what they mean but I just wish people woudl pay more attenttion to what they say. http://archive.ksdk.com/rss/article/...e-heat=-stroke [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster Why can't they use that semiconductor cooler, with no moving parts, like is used in picnic coolers? Don't those work? I'm not sure about their design but if I were designing such a system, I'd line the enclosure with something that would keep it cold when you shut down the AC and left your vehicle. Something like the gel packs you put in your freezer at home then drop them in your Igloo cooler to keep your dead animal flesh from spoiling before grilling it at the picnic. Then there's that thermoelectric Peltier cooler like you mentioned. You could rig your own from one of those small thermoelectric single beverage coolers that plugs into a cigarette liter socket. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Cool Monster |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:29:08 -0400, micky
wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster wrote: You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a re= movable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electr= onics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets= too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a proble= m that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for ph= ones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-) So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment, warmed by the heater? http://www.droid-life.com/2015/07/02...phone-cooling/ "The system only runs when drivers turn on the HVAC system." The AC compressor on most vehicles today runs any time the HVAC system is in the defrost mode, unless it is VERY cold. This is ambigous. If it had said only runs when drivers turn on the AC**, that woudl answer my question, but they include the heat. So if it's cold out and people are using the heat, that means the HVAC system is on. **I suppose this is what they mean but I just wish people woudl pay more attenttion to what they say. http://archive.ksdk.com/rss/article/...e-heat=-stroke [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster Why can't they use that semiconductor cooler, with no moving parts, like is used in picnic coolers? Don't those work? You mean a Peltier cooler? They work, but are not terribly efficient and can only transfer a limitted amount of heat (cause a limitted temperature reduction) |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 2:29:15 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster wrote: You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a re= movable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electr= onics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets= too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a proble= m that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for ph= ones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-) So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment, warmed by the heater? ....snip... There is nothing wrong with using the A/C in the winter. The owner's manual for both of my Hondas (and maybe my other cars too, I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to remove moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear. In fact, the Honda manuals state that the A/C automatically comes on when the Defroster setting is selected. |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:10:42 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 6:00:34 AM UTC-4, Seymore4Head wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. Heating the phone with a hair dryer set on low also works, since it evaporates the water quickly.... Evaporating the water leaves any disolved solids behind. Absorbing the water with a dessicant leaves less behind, as it can absorb the solids as well. The secret is to get the battery out as soon as possible, and shake out as much water as possible - avoid "wet shorts" that put voltage where it does not belong - which can permanently kill the phone. |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:10:42 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 6:00:34 AM UTC-4, Seymore4Head wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. Heating the phone with a hair dryer set on low also works, since it evaporates the water quickly.... Evaporating the water leaves any disolved solids behind. Absorbing the water with a dessicant leaves less behind, as it can absorb the solids as well. Really? Inquiring minds want to know when the water molecule leaves the circuit board inside the phone, how does it know if it's going to just wander off with the air into the breeze, or if it's going to wind up in the desiccant that's outside the phone so it needs to bring it's buddy solid molecules along? Does it phone ahead? I'm sure I'll now be on Clare's double secret ignore list. Just the facts. |
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On 7/13/2015 3:18 PM, micky wrote:
Once my stream flooded and my basement laundry room got wet, and the next day the water heater started leaking, so I thought it was just the first water not evaporating and the laundry room floor stayed wet for a week or more, leading to mold and smell. So I bought a 50 pound bag of calcium chloride or maybe calcium carbonate? Whichever is a desicant. I put a piece of filigreed Chloride. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-5, Seymore4Head wrote:
I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. The best thing is remove the battery and SIM card quickly, as most, if not all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off). |
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On 07/13/2015 07:26 AM, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-5, Seymore4Head wrote: I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. The best thing is remove the battery and SIM card quickly, as most, if not all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off). Considering "off", I once measured the electrical power used by a cable box when "off". It was indistinguishable from the power it used when on. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Fierce invectives against women form a conspicuous and grotesque portion of the writings of the Church fathers." -- William E. H. Lecky (1838-1903), Irish historian |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:10:10 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/13/2015 07:26 AM, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-5, Seymore4Head wrote: I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. The best thing is remove the battery and SIM card quickly, as most, if not all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off). Considering "off", I once measured the electrical power used by a cable box when "off". It was indistinguishable from the power it used when on. One of my cell phones would go weeks without needing a charge when off OTOH, my cordless phones don't even have a switch to turn them off. They last 2 or 3 days now but they'd last 10 days or more if I could turn them off. I'd still hear the ringers on the base station and the western electric phone in the basement. |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:26:24 AM UTC-5, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-5, Seymore4Head wrote: I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. The best thing is remove the battery and SIM card quickly, as most, if not all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off). Odd thing today, we all went swimming a the local State Park...was in the water more than a half hour...then I noticed something in my baggy swim shorts, you guessed it...flip-phone. Remove battery and SIM, dried it, shook it, blew it out with air and put it in rice...we'll see what happens. micky gave me bad karma... |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:44:16 PM UTC-5, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 7:26:24 AM UTC-5, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-5, Seymore4Head wrote: I have read that the best thing to do if you get your phone wet is to not turn it on. Turning it on while wet could damage it more easily. Use a vacuum cleaner and then bowl of rice. The best thing is remove the battery and SIM card quickly, as most, if not all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off). Odd thing today, we all went swimming a the local State Park...was in the water more than a half hour...then I noticed something in my baggy swim shorts, you guessed it...flip-phone. Remove battery and SIM, dried it, shook it, blew it out with air and put it in rice...we'll see what happens. micky gave me bad karma... I see you are all interested in my cell's function after a half-hour submersion? Well may be not, but it still works... |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 1:37:11 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy". Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. I've been using the rice method for a number of years. I don't recall that it has ever failed me. My most recent use was when the remote sensor for my indoor-outdoor thermometer fell out of its mount and laid in the rain for at least 8 hours. When I picked it up the water literally poured out of it. Luckily, the batteries popped out when it hit the ground so I don't think it was ever powered up while wet. 24 hours in glass of rice and it powered right up and starting sending signals to the base unit. The previous time was when I left a cooking thermometer/timer on the deck next to the grill. There was water sloshing around inside the LCD display. The switch was in the On position, but the display was blank. This unit does not time out, so I was a bit worried. I turned the unit off (before even moving it) then took out the battery, shook out as much water as I could and buried it in rice for a few days. I popped the batteries back in and I've been using it for about 6 months now. |
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[snip of the rice suggestion. Also hair dryers..]
A basic air flow from any type of fan, including sitting it in the vent of an air conditioner or a spare 12VDC computer fan, or pretty much anything, will work every bit as well as a hot air stream (from that hair dryer). It just means taking a bit longer. Much safer. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 10:07:36 AM UTC-5, danny burstein wrote:
[snip of the rice suggestion. Also hair dryers..] A basic air flow from any type of fan, including sitting it in the vent of an air conditioner or a spare 12VDC computer fan, or pretty much anything, will work every bit as well as a hot air stream (from that hair dryer). It just means taking a bit longer. I worked for a company that maintained POS systems for Walgreen (when they were in IL mainly, before they expanded nationally). If we had repair PCB's that had smoke, rodent or bug feces, or spills...it was common practice to hot water power wash (not high pressure) and compressor air dry. I had and never heard of a board not surviving the procedure. |
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:07:31 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote: [snip of the rice suggestion. Also hair dryers..] A basic air flow from any type of fan, including sitting it in the vent of an air conditioner or a spare 12VDC computer fan, or pretty much anything, will work every bit as well as a hot air stream (from that hair dryer). It just means taking a bit longer. Much safer. The advantage of an air conditioner is it is "dry" air. (and won't overheat anything) |
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On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:07:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:07:31 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein wrote: [snip of the rice suggestion. Also hair dryers..] A basic air flow from any type of fan, including sitting it in the vent of an air conditioner or a spare 12VDC computer fan, or pretty much anything, will work every bit as well as a hot air stream (from that hair dryer). It just means taking a bit longer. Much safer. The advantage of an air conditioner is it is "dry" air. (and won't overheat anything) Wow, you figured that out? |
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Wet phone . . . or wet pussy--which would you prefer?
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:51:13 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:37:06 -0400, micky wrote: I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least for me. A friend writes: Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge. At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy”. Silica gel would even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item. Silica gel works a whole lot better. You can get in bulk. https://www.sorbentsystems.com/bulksorbents.html If anyone should have that, it shoudl be T-mobile or a fix-it shop. Are there any fix-it shops? For my friend, it was more important to use the rice right away than wait for the stuff to come in the mail. BTW, I've heard of absorbents, but never sorbents. I'm sure there's a joke there somewhere. But thanks for the link. I'll send it to him. He won't likely buy any, but I'm sure he's interested. |
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