November 18, 2014

76 inches snow, in 24 hours, with as much
as 25 inches more snow expected in the
next 24 hours.

Mostly south of Buffalo, in the snow belt.
Thruway shut down from PA line to Henrietta,
NY. Really rare the Thruway is shut down,
and even more rare for two days in a row.

Wonder if that's going to result in collapsed
roofs, and houses turned to match sticks?

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Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

November 18, 2014

76 inches snow, in 24 hours, with as much
as 25 inches more snow expected in the
next 24 hours.

Mostly south of Buffalo, in the snow belt.
Thruway shut down from PA line to Henrietta,
NY. Really rare the Thruway is shut down,
and even more rare for two days in a row.

Wonder if that's going to result in collapsed
roofs, and houses turned to match sticks?


I lived in Utica, NY 1989-1994 and saw my fair share of snow, even more
snow than I saw in Caribou, ME, mostly due to the lake effect stuff.
The Blizzard of '93 dumped a massive amount of snow on top of all the
other stuff we already had. Then it all immediately freezed and pretty
much turned into ice.

I have never seen a collapsed roof in that area of New York. Maybe
they're constructed differently or maybe people clean them off more
often. One thing most roofs up there had that I haven't seen elsewhere
is metal flashing that replaces the first couple rows of roof shingles
at the eave. I believe that helps the snow slide off the roof easier
and faster.

In situations like this, people pull together to help each other out.

We seldom get blizzards like that here in Manitoba, but when we do the local radio and TV stations serve as public billboards. They ask people with snowmobiles to ferry doctors, nurses and patients to and from the hospitals, and to get prescriptions filled for people that otherwise couldn't get their meds. The TV and radio stations all announce closures and cancellations for public events and stuff, as well as keeping people up to date on what roads are open and which are being cleared.

The good thing is that during a heavy snow fall, the snow doesn't accumulate on the telephone wires so communications are still intact. People can still phone each other if they need help. It's during ice storms that ice accumulates on telephone wires and tree branches causing both to come down and interrupt communications. That's even worse because then people that need help or need to go to the hosptial can't communicate with anyone to let people know they need help.

Last winter there was a similar situation in the Tennessee and surrounding states where the roads became extremely slippery with ice and driving anywhere became very dangerous.

On 2014-11-19, badgolferman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

November 18, 2014

76 inches snow, in 24 hours, with as much

I lived in Utica, NY 1989-1994 and saw my fair share of snow, even more

I ended up stranded in UofB parking lot in Mar of '70, during the
first big blizzard of the season. I haunted the student union bldg,
where they hadda ride share map. I needed a rider to CA to share gas.
The thruway was closed fer 1-2 days (I forget), while I slept in my
'64 Dodge in the UB prkg lot. Big snow in Buffalo is nothing new.

nb

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
wrote:

The Blizzard of '93 dumped a massive amount of snow on top of all the
other stuff we already had. Then it all immediately freezed and pretty
much turned into ice.

Central Pennsylvania looked like a Tundra after a few days, during
that "perfect storm". People sleeping at work, working through the
night keeping sidewalks cleared (a prison, feeding the critters).

Snow blowers were in constant use by inmates (supervised) and a little
"thawing" in the shop for a spark plug change, helped.

Snow, freeze and do it all over gain and again for a couple of days. A
hard packed "Tundra".

On 2014-11-19, Oren wrote:

Central Pennsylvania looked like a Tundra....

Central PA looked like a Japanese pickup?

nb

On 19 Nov 2014 19:47:12 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2014-11-19, Oren wrote:

Central Pennsylvania looked like a Tundra....

Central PA looked like a Japanese pickup?

nb

No. More like this frozen Tundra:

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/frozen-tundra-wallpapers_31042_1920x1200.jpg

....freezin' is the reason

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:08:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

November 18, 2014

76 inches snow, in 24 hours, with as much
as 25 inches more snow expected in the
next 24 hours.

Mostly south of Buffalo, in the snow belt.
Thruway shut down from PA line to Henrietta,
NY. Really rare the Thruway is shut down,
and even more rare for two days in a row.

Wonder if that's going to result in collapsed
roofs, and houses turned to match sticks?


Hey Jr., wait until Niagara Falls freezes over.

Buffalo gets cold
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.-- James Madison

On 11/19/2014 3:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:08:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
Wonder if that's going to result in collapsed
roofs, and houses turned to match sticks?


Hey Jr., wait until Niagara Falls freezes over.

Buffalo gets cold


I bet Texas has a workman who can clear all the snow
in about an hour?

NF scheduled to freeze over soon? Neat!

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Christopher A. Young
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On 11/19/2014 12:04 PM, nestork wrote:

In situations like this, people pull together to help each other out.

CY: Ideally, much same here.


We seldom get blizzards like that here in Manitoba, but when we do the
local radio and TV stations serve as public billboards. They ask people
with snowmobiles to ferry doctors, nurses and patients to and from the
hospitals, and to get prescriptions filled for people that otherwise
couldn't get their meds. The TV and radio stations all announce
closures and cancellations for public events and stuff, as well as
keeping people up to date on what roads are open and which are being
cleared.

CY: We used to have a radio that did that. Perhaps they still do.


The good thing is that during a heavy snow fall, the snow doesn't
accumulate on the telephone wires so communications are still intact.
People can still phone each other if they need help. It's during ice
storms that ice accumulates on telephone wires and tree branches causing
both to come down and interrupt communications. That's even worse
because then people that need help or need to go to the hosptial can't
communicate with anyone to let people know they need help.

CY: Agree, I'm not much fond of ice storms.



Last winter there was a similar situation in the Tennessee and
surrounding states where the roads became extremely slippery with ice
and driving anywhere became very dangerous.


CY: Doesn't that global warming stuff happen more
often, now?

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Christopher A. Young
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:28:11 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 11/19/2014 3:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:08:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
Wonder if that's going to result in collapsed
roofs, and houses turned to match sticks?


Hey Jr., wait until Niagara Falls freezes over.

Buffalo gets cold


I bet Texas has a workman who can clear all the snow
in about an hour?


Amarillo, Texas?

NF scheduled to freeze over soon? Neat!

One day. Then they turn on the colored light fixtures behind the ice
or was I tricked :?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

CY: Doesn't that global warming stuff happen more often, now?

The first decade we lived out of town (from 1973) we could count
on excellent trail skiing conditions 1 Dec. to March 31 every year:
Then things started to change, e.g. we had a green Christmas
one year and frequent winter rain (which later froze, wrecking the
snow.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I was watching a TV show a few days ago and one of the supposed experts on that show says that carbon emissions into our atmosphere are expected to continue increasing until about 2080 before they begin to subside.

The reason for this is that countries like China, India and Brazil all have a growing middle class that are now being able to afford cars, and all those cars will be burning fossil fuels of one sort or another (like propane or methane instead of gasoline).

Also, many emerging countries that can't afford to import gasoline and LNG from other countries have large reserves of coal. Those countries will be using their coal reserves to produce electricity for as far into the future as anyone can see.

So, I you consider how much fossil fuel was being burned over the last 65 years, or since 1950, we're likely to burn at least twice that by 2080, and so if Global Warming exists, it's really just only begun.

On 11/19/14, 10:03 AM, badgolferman wrote:
I have never seen a collapsed roof in that area of New York. Maybe
they're constructed differently or maybe people clean them off more
often. One thing most roofs up there had that I haven't seen elsewhere
is metal flashing that replaces the first couple rows of roof shingles
at the eave. I believe that helps the snow slide off the roof easier
and faster.


When I was a kid in Vermont, steep slate roofs were still popular. Snow
would slide off before long, but huge icicles were generated.

The biggest I saw were at my 19th Century grade school. Each day at
about 8:50 AM and about 12:30 PM, we'd be ordered to line up along the
front of the school. A line of icicles 6" in diameter and 8 feet long
hung 30 feet over our heads.

8:50 was an active time because the roof was warming in response to
turning up the thermostat. 12:30 was another active time because the
sun was just getting around to warm the west eaves, over our heads. We
tried to remember to stand two feet farther from the wall than normal so
the icicles would hit by our right foot and not on our head.

That may explain why two of the most noted Marine heroes of WWII, Evans
Carlson and Merritt Edson, came from Vermont. Edson must have attended
my school because his house was 50 yards up the street. With an
educational background like that, of course he wasn't fazed by shellfire
from a Japanese battleship.

The day we finished 6th grade, in June, we hopped on our bikes, rode 3
miles out of town, and had a snowball fight in t-shirts.

from 1974


http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=892,1415566

Mark

The weather forecast for the area south of Buffalo NY that was hit with 6 feet of snow is for milder temperatures with rain.

That rain is going to potentially cause lots more roofs to collapse. When the rain falls on the roof, it's going to get frozen by the existing snow and add to the weight of the snow already on the roof. I can see that rain causing more roofs to collapse.

I'm just hoping that homeowner's insurance will cover that.

On 11/21/2014 11:33 PM, nestork wrote:
The weather forecast for the area south of Buffalo NY that was hit with
6 feet of snow is for milder temperatures with rain.

That rain is going to potentially cause lots more roofs to collapse.
When the rain falls on the roof, it's going to get frozen by the
existing snow and add to the weight of the snow already on the roof. I
can see that rain causing more roofs to collapse.

I'm just hoping that homeowner's insurance will cover that.




As with some things, the real disaster happens after
the event, when the cameras are gone else where.

Rain for snow weight, and next week might warm up,
and cause mass flooding.

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