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Water Heater again!
Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where
our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. |
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On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. |
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"philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 02:41:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: "philo " wrote in message (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. I agree that venting may be the problem (bird nest?) but usually, it would light and then go out once the burner was on. Could be the overheating burned out the thermocouple or something though. Be sure they check the vent at both ends and run something through it. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 02:41:02 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "philo " wrote in message (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. I agree that venting may be the problem (bird nest?) but usually, it would light and then go out once the burner was on. Could be the overheating burned out the thermocouple or something though. Be sure they check the vent at both ends and run something through it. They are working on it now. There is a bad part. Something to do with letting the gas in. Also the venting may not be right. They were given the International venting code but the guy wants to check the Washington Code before doing anything because changing the venting will be expensive. There is no Thermocouple on this kind. It's newer. It has a Thermo...something else. Can't remember the name but it's fine. |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:13:54 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
There is no Thermocouple on this kind. It's newer. It has a Thermo...something else. Can't remember the name but it's fine. Thermopile...perhaps? |
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Water Heater again!
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:13:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: They are working on it now. There is a bad part. Something to do with letting the gas in. Also the venting may not be right. They were given the International venting code but the guy wants to check the Washington Code before doing anything because changing the venting will be expensive. There is no Thermocouple on this kind. It's newer. It has a Thermo...something You can't count on there being a couple these days. There might be three of them, or four, or two of the same kind. If there are two of the same kind, it won't bend when it gets hot, because they expand at the same rate. else. Can't remember the name but it's fine. |
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Water Heater again!
On 09/04/2014 04:41 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
"do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Maybe have a chimney expert look at it. |
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Water Heater again!
"philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 04:41 AM, Julie Bove wrote: "do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Maybe have a chimney expert look at it. They may have to redo the venting. We'll see. |
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Water Heater again!
Julie Bove wrote: "philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Perhaps have the gas company check? If it won't light at all it's probably not a chimney/draft issue. Are there other gas appliances that are working properly? |
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"Pete C." wrote in message news Julie Bove wrote: "philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Perhaps have the gas company check? If it won't light at all it's probably not a chimney/draft issue. Are there other gas appliances that are working properly? Plumber got it to light right away but he had difficulty moving the button. I said that happens. It's either easy to move or it's sticky. There are no other gas appliances. He does think the venting may be wrong for this kind of water heater but may have been fine for the old one. |
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Julie Bove wrote:
"philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Hi, For now light a candle and stick it in the burner chamber, does it stay lit? If so, gas sup[ply is OK? Venting or gas supply, what else could be the trouble? How is the venting done? Tied into furnace stack or all by itself? Often we tend to over look most simple basic things experts do that all the time too wasting time. What kinda chimney? |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Julie Bove wrote: "philo " wrote in message ... On 09/04/2014 02:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. X (Snip if it was not drafting properly, then it was senseless to attempt a repair or replacement...the venting must be fixed! The venting was either done wrong or your chimney may be plugged. I have no clue and apparently neither do they. It did work for a while. Now it simply will not light at all. I did try again twice. Hi, For now light a candle and stick it in the burner chamber, does it stay lit? If so, gas sup[ply is OK? Venting or gas supply, what else could be the trouble? How is the venting done? Tied into furnace stack or all by itself? Often we tend to over look most simple basic things experts do that all the time too wasting time. What kinda chimney? By itself. Don't know what kind of chimney. But they did the flame test before and said that it wasn't drafting right. |
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On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. Any evidence of condensation dripping on pilot light? If in the end you can't get it to work and have to replace the water heater, get one with a pilot-less ignition. |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:03:14 AM UTC-4, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. Any evidence of condensation dripping on pilot light? If in the end you can't get it to work and have to replace the water heater, get one with a pilot-less ignition. We went through this same situation with Julie months ago. Suggestions were made about checking the venting, how it's vented, any wind blowing into garage where the WH is located, possible bad thermocouples, ie all the obvious things. As I recall, the TC had been replaced at least once and the gas control valve had also been replaced. And I think it happened with the garage door open or shut, ruling out some sudden gusts blowing into the garage. I don't recall hearing how or if it was resolved then. But it's kind of surprising that she would pay for a plumber to come out, again, and still no one has checked the venting? How about some pics at least of the venting? IDK exactly how venting could cause this either. Even if the vent were blocked, the pilot light wouldn't go out. It doesn't even need the vent for the pilot light to remain lit. For it to go out, I would think it would need the venting to be arranged so that somehow it results in a sudden gust hitting the pilot light. I presume the pilot orifice, tube between the valve and orifice have been carefully checked? If she can't find someone competent, then the other option is to just bite the bullet and get a new WH, one that doesn't use a pilot light. |
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"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:03:14 AM UTC-4, Retirednoguilt wrote: On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. Any evidence of condensation dripping on pilot light? If in the end you can't get it to work and have to replace the water heater, get one with a pilot-less ignition. We went through this same situation with Julie months ago. Suggestions were made about checking the venting, how it's vented, any wind blowing into garage where the WH is located, possible bad thermocouples, ie all the obvious things. As I recall, the TC had been replaced at least once and the gas control valve had also been replaced. And I think it happened with the garage door open or shut, ruling out some sudden gusts blowing into the garage. I don't recall hearing how or if it was resolved then. But it's kind of surprising that she would pay for a plumber to come out, again, and still no one has checked the venting? How about some pics at least of the venting? IDK exactly how venting could cause this either. Even if the vent were blocked, the pilot light wouldn't go out. It doesn't even need the vent for the pilot light to remain lit. For it to go out, I would think it would need the venting to be arranged so that somehow it results in a sudden gust hitting the pilot light. I presume the pilot orifice, tube between the valve and orifice have been carefully checked? If she can't find someone competent, then the other option is to just bite the bullet and get a new WH, one that doesn't use a pilot light. Because the garage is so small, the venting goes at an odd angle. It's complicated to explain but basically it needs to have a good 6 feet going straight up and this doesn't. |
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"Retirednoguilt" wrote in message ... On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. Any evidence of condensation dripping on pilot light? If in the end you can't get it to work and have to replace the water heater, get one with a pilot-less ignition. Nope. |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:02:28 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. a realtive of mine had this problem, turned out to be low gas pressure in her neighborhood, it was a intermittenly bad regulat owned by the gas company..... this occured many states away so i am sorry but lack details. OP should call their gas supplier to get the homes gad pressure checked. simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. van got towed to garage I told the garage check to make sure it has gas.. 880 bucks later with a new battery and new fuel pump, the garage gave up and said we dont know whats wrong. hadvan towed to dealer, they were very busy. van sat for 5 days.. dealer noted gas gauge showed empty, put in one gallon of gas, van started right up.... conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. |
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On 9/4/2014 7:40 AM, bob haller wrote:
simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. van got towed to garage I told the garage check to make sure it has gas.. 880 bucks later with a new battery and new fuel pump, the garage gave up and said we dont know whatswrong. had van towed to dealer, they were very busy. van sat for 5 days.. dealer noted gas gauge showed empty, put in one gallon of gas, van started right up.... conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. I had two similar moments. One time I took apart a carb on a friend's car, looking for the clog. Finally noticed the absence of gasoline. Second was when I stopped to help a guy with the hood up, in a parking lot. Truck was only a couple days old. Didn't want to start. Asked him to check the gas gauge.... add gal of gas. There was a gas station a couple hundred yards away. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 9/4/2014 7:01 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/4/2014 7:40 AM, bob haller wrote: simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. I had two similar moments. One time I took apart a carb on a friend's car, looking for the clog. Finally noticed the absence of gasoline. Second was when I stopped to help a guy with the hood up, in a parking lot. Truck was only a couple days old. Didn't want to start. Asked him to check the gas gauge.... add gal of gas. There was a gas station a couple hundred yards away. Back when I was a young 'un, I drove an old beater with an unreliable gas gauge. I got in the habit of setting the trip odometer every time I filled up and noting the miles I'd used on that tankful. I knew when I'd put about 250 miles on, it was getting close to time to fill the tank. It's now a habit. I never look at the gas gauge, I check my trip odometer. |
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On 9/4/2014 8:31 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Back when I was a young 'un, I drove an old beater with an unreliable gas gauge. I got in the habit of setting the trip odometer every time I filled up and noting the miles I'd used on that tankful. I knew when I'd put about 250 miles on, it was getting close to time to fill the tank. It's now a habit. I never look at the gas gauge, I check my trip odometer. I figure when the trip gets to over 100, it's time to look for gas station. Of course, if I know I'm going past the cheap gas next day, I'll let it go. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Back when I was a young 'un, I drove an old beater with an unreliable gas gauge. I got in the habit of setting the trip odometer every time I filled up and noting the miles I'd used on that tankful. I knew when I'd put about 250 miles on, it was getting close to time to fill the tank. It's now a habit. I never look at the gas gauge, I check my trip odometer. The gas guage causes me to look at the trip odometer. That decides if It's time to get gas. The trip odometer is a way more accurate indicator of how much gas is in the tank. |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:32:05 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: Moe DeLoughan wrote: Back when I was a young 'un, I drove an old beater with an unreliable gas gauge. I got in the habit of setting the trip odometer every time I filled up and noting the miles I'd used on that tankful. I knew when I'd put about 250 miles on, it was getting close to time to fill the tank. It's now a habit. I never look at the gas gauge, I check my trip odometer. The gas guage causes me to look at the trip odometer. That decides if It's time to get gas. The trip odometer is a way more accurate indicator of how much gas is in the tank. Unless you left the vehicle idle, or it sprung a leak, or someone used a "mexican credit card", or your brakes started to drag, or you pulled a heavy load or had heand - all of which will cause the vehicle to run out of gas sooner than the odo would indicate. |
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Water Heater again!
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 04:40:50 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: a realtive of mine had this problem, turned out to be low gas pressure in her neighborhood I replaced my WH and could not get it lit. Closed the ball valve, disconnected the line at the valve and opened the valve until I smelled the odor. Closed the valve, connected the line and opened the valve - presto, the WH fired right up. |
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On 9/4/2014 12:12 PM, Oren wrote:
I replaced my WH and could not get it lit. Closed the ball valve, disconnected the line at the valve and opened the valve until I smelled the odor. Closed the valve, connected the line and opened the valve - presto, the WH fired right up. It's not a total waste of usenet. At least the rest of us get ideas how to keep a WH going. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:30:14 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: It's not a total waste of usenet. At least the rest of us get ideas how to keep a WH going. A blonde goes to a auto parts store and asks for a Seven Ten cap. |
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On 9/4/2014 1:07 PM, Oren wrote:
A blonde goes to a auto parts store and asks for a Seven Ten cap. Is that like why they stopped describing the emergency number as nine eleven? -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 9/4/2014 1:07 PM, Oren wrote:
A blonde goes to a auto parts store and asks for a Seven Ten cap. What do polish Coke bottles say on the bottom? -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/4/2014 12:12 PM, Oren wrote: I replaced my WH and could not get it lit. Closed the ball valve, disconnected the line at the valve and opened the valve until I smelled the odor. Closed the valve, connected the line and opened the valve - presto, the WH fired right up. It's not a total waste of usenet. At least the rest of us get ideas how to keep a WH going. Hi, I don't think Oren is blonde. |
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Water Heater again!
bob haller wrote:
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:02:28 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. a realtive of mine had this problem, turned out to be low gas pressure in her neighborhood, it was a intermittenly bad regulat owned by the gas company..... this occured many states away so i am sorry but lack details. OP should call their gas supplier to get the homes gad pressure checked. simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. van got towed to garage I told the garage check to make sure it has gas.. 880 bucks later with a new battery and new fuel pump, the garage gave up and said we dont know whats wrong. hadvan towed to dealer, they were very busy. van sat for 5 days.. dealer noted gas gauge showed empty, put in one gallon of gas, van started right up.... conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. Hi, Most experienced techs often over look simplest basic things. Some times green horns are better at trouble-shooting. Rule of thumb, don't leave out any even slightest possibility. |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... bob haller wrote: On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:02:28 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. a realtive of mine had this problem, turned out to be low gas pressure in her neighborhood, it was a intermittenly bad regulat owned by the gas company..... this occured many states away so i am sorry but lack details. OP should call their gas supplier to get the homes gad pressure checked. simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. van got towed to garage I told the garage check to make sure it has gas.. 880 bucks later with a new battery and new fuel pump, the garage gave up and said we dont know whats wrong. hadvan towed to dealer, they were very busy. van sat for 5 days.. dealer noted gas gauge showed empty, put in one gallon of gas, van started right up.... conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. Hi, Most experienced techs often over look simplest basic things. Some times green horns are better at trouble-shooting. Rule of thumb, don't leave out any even slightest possibility. I have two of them now. They seem to be checking everything. |
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"bob haller" wrote in message ... On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:02:28 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. a realtive of mine had this problem, turned out to be low gas pressure in her neighborhood, it was a intermittenly bad regulat owned by the gas company..... this occured many states away so i am sorry but lack details. OP should call their gas supplier to get the homes gad pressure checked. simple stuff can screw stuff up. my step sons van broke down. he called me in the middle of the night saying it just quit. The gas gauge was flakey in that van, but he assured me it wasnt out of gas. van got towed to garage I told the garage check to make sure it has gas.. 880 bucks later with a new battery and new fuel pump, the garage gave up and said we dont know whats wrong. hadvan towed to dealer, they were very busy. van sat for 5 days.. dealer noted gas gauge showed empty, put in one gallon of gas, van started right up.... conclusions..... van ran out of gas, stepson and garage didnt catch that van was out of gas. dealer was nice only charged for gasoline.. The gas pressure actually checked out fine. |
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On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. They never could find out what was wrong with it. They replaced every part they could and finally just gave us a new one. And it was fine at first. But the same problems started happening up until now! I just relight it perhaps 2 hours ago when daughter took a shower and ran out of hot water. I had gotten to the point of being OCD in checking it to make sure it was still lit. And it had been the last time I looked. And even though it is a 50 gallon tank, apparently when it goes out, the water cools very quickly. So I relit it, called the plumber because it was getting to where I had to light it daily. Plumber asked me some questions about it and I had to go out there to look at it. And it it wasn't lit! So it went out less than 20 minutes after I lit it. And now it won't light at all. Grrr... Grrr... Grrr... I am sick of this. And they can't do anything about it tonight. Guy said he could come out here but I would have to pay $150 just to get him out as it would be after hours charges. But he had no clue whether or not he could do anything about it tonight. So... We wait. Only thing I can figure is that it might be the venting. That is the only thing they didn't check. They did say that the last one wasn't drafting properly or something like that. I thought maybe that it had something to do with humidity. We had a few humid days lately and it seemed to go out when it was humid. Then the torrential downpour throughout the night last night that knocked the power out. Amazingly enough the thing stayed lit through all that. I'm very sorry to hear. Must be annoying. Did you want to ask the folks on this list for ideas? Maybe someone will have ideas what to check. I can think of one or two, but you didn't ask. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running.
I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running. I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. Julie went through this whole thing months ago. WH is in the garage. And back then she said it made no difference if the garage door is open or closed. I wonder if there is a chance the garage is so airtight that shutting the garage door to the house could blow it out? I've never seen a garage that tight, but who knows. |
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trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-4, nestork wrote: I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running. I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. Julie went through this whole thing months ago. WH is in the garage. And back then she said it made no difference if the garage door is open or closed. I wonder if there is a chance the garage is so airtight that shutting the garage door to the house could blow it out? I've never seen a garage that tight, but who knows. If the garage has a swing down door, closing that quickly (or opening quickly) could blow the pilot out. |
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"Bob F" wrote in message ... trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-4, nestork wrote: I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running. I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. Julie went through this whole thing months ago. WH is in the garage. And back then she said it made no difference if the garage door is open or closed. I wonder if there is a chance the garage is so airtight that shutting the garage door to the house could blow it out? I've never seen a garage that tight, but who knows. If the garage has a swing down door, closing that quickly (or opening quickly) could blow the pilot out. It's one of those with the hinged pieces on an opener. |
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"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:04:42 AM UTC-4, nestork wrote: I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running. I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. Julie went through this whole thing months ago. WH is in the garage. And back then she said it made no difference if the garage door is open or closed. I wonder if there is a chance the garage is so airtight that shutting the garage door to the house could blow it out? I've never seen a garage that tight, but who knows. We have been having really wacky weather. We did lose power late Tues. into Wed. morning. Plumber said a lot of people did have trouble during that time because of weird winds. And that makes sense. But it doesn't explain the pattern of it going out every three months, then two months, then monthly, weekly, daily, etc. And I had to relight it every day for at least a week. I didn't keep a record. There is a bad part but... Is the part bad because the wrong venting made it go bad? That remains to be seen. |
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"nestork" wrote in message ... I would watch the pilot light flame with all the windows and doors in the house closed and the dryer and bathroom ceiling fan running. I'm thinking that if the dryer is blowing air out of the house, make up air needs to get into the house somewhere, and we may have a situation where the downdraft through the water heater flue gas ducting may be causing a down draft through the water heater. The water heater may be fitted with a safety device which detects that "roll out" and shuts off the water heater, including gas to the pilot light. I'm thinking that with the warm weather lately, people have their A/C running and would close their windows and doors to prevent the loss of that cooling to the outside, thereby preventing make-up air coming in anywhere except the water heater flue duct. No other gas appliances and no AC. |
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On 9/4/2014 7:03 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/4/2014 3:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: Oh so annoying! I had called the plumber because it was getting to where our replacement water heater had to be lit once a day. Initially we had a new one installed on New Year's Eve, 2009. It worked for a while but then I had to keep relighting it. At first it was perhaps every three months, then every week then like every half an hour. I'm very sorry to hear. Must be annoying. Did you want to ask the folks on this list for ideas? Maybe someone will have ideas what to check. I can think of one or two, but you didn't ask. Ha, Stormy, you nailed it - and her. Julie is into playing games. The game she plays is the classic "Yeah, but". That's the one where a person complains about something in order to get another person to reply with a suggested solution. But the complainer will shoot down every single suggestion with a "yeah, but", until the other person gives up in frustration. The longer the complainer can keep the game running, the more points she scores. Julie's not here for solutions. She's here to play her game. |
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