My DW, approx 2 years old, is a Whirlpool. Not high end. Invoice read: WH-WDFS1DPAYW, whatever the hell THAT means. (Bottom of invoice said don't rely on number!) If it helps, DW with tax & installation, was $608.

It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.

When DW was installed, I studied the manual and set my preferences as follows:

NORMAL HIGH TEMP SANI-RINSE HEAT DRY.

I just re-consulted manual. It advises using rinse aid to get dishes dry. (I did that at first when using package of powdered detergent.)

But manual also advises using the little "pillows" or packets of detergent.
I switched to packets from Costco long ago; box says packets *contain rinse aid.*

Whatthehell??!!

All I want is dry damn dishes & cutlery.

Any advice?

TIA

HB

On Mon, 26 May 2014 11:59:08 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:

All I want is dry damn dishes & cutlery.

Any advice?

Why did you wait 2 years to complain about it now? I married my
dishwasher 28 years ago and have not gotten one single complaint. I
even have a mechanical dishwasher for backup.
--
"The definition of a liberal, a liberal is somebody that doesn't care what you do as long as it's mandatory". -- Charles Krauthammer

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:
My DW, approx 2 years old, is a Whirlpool. Not high end. Invoice read: WH-WDFS1DPAYW, whatever the hell THAT means. (Bottom of invoice said don't rely on number!) If it helps, DW with tax & installation, was $608.



It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.



When DW was installed, I studied the manual and set my preferences as follows:



NORMAL HIGH TEMP SANI-RINSE HEAT DRY.



I just re-consulted manual. It advises using rinse aid to get dishes dry. (I did that at first when using package of powdered detergent.)



But manual also advises using the little "pillows" or packets of detergent.

I switched to packets from Costco long ago; box says packets *contain rinse aid.*



Whatthehell??!!



All I want is dry damn dishes & cutlery.



Any advice?



TIA



HB

my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....

the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....

frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..

everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......

On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.

[...]

my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....


the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....

frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..

everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

The dishwasher before this one was a KitchenAid. A tank! Ran for 13 years with never a sneeze. Then hot water wouldn't go in. I FOOLISHLY thought it would be too expensive to pay for repairs ??? so for the next 4 years I handwashed.

Then circumstances dictated that I get a new DW, so I had the old one taken out. Guess why hot water wasn't going in? A ****ing MOUSE had chewed holes in the ****ing hot water hose!!!! Easily replaced for small bux!!!

I am still banging my head against the wall for sacrificing that great old KitchenAid for this plastic POS. KA would have run forever; was well made!!!
With 20-20 hindsight....!!!

HB

On 5/26/2014 8:24 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.

[...]

my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....


the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....

frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..

everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

The dishwasher before this one was a KitchenAid. A tank! Ran for 13 years with never a sneeze. Then hot water wouldn't go in. I FOOLISHLY thought it would be too expensive to pay for repairs ??? so for the next 4 years I handwashed.

Then circumstances dictated that I get a new DW, so I had the old one taken out. Guess why hot water wasn't going in? A ****ing MOUSE had chewed holes in the ****ing hot water hose!!!! Easily replaced for small bux!!!

I am still banging my head against the wall for sacrificing that great old KitchenAid for this plastic POS. KA would have run forever; was well made!!!
With 20-20 hindsight....!!!

HB

Funny thing. We've always had KAs in our previous house. But, each one
kept lasting fewer and fewer years. The 1st one lasted 23 years. The
last one, actually the 3rd, less than 5 years. It would have cost more
to fix it myself, than to replace it. KA actually gave me a $100
voucher to buy another KA. I did that and actually had to fix it a few
times before we moved. Now it's someone else's problem. In my new
house, now almost 5 years old, I have a WP, not top of the line. It is
the best dishwasher we've ever had, as far as cleaning. The only major
complaint is the silverware basket on the door. Because the new DWs
have a larger capacity, the door hinge is mounted much lower to the
floor, thus you almost have to sit on the floor to remove silverware.
If I had realized this, I would have had the cabinet maker mount it
higher, although you do loose some counter top space. I recommended
this to my niece, as she was building after me, and now likes the raised
DW. I realize that the basket is removable, with some difficulty, but
in either case, it's not ideal. So, I tie wrapped the basket to the
lower rack, and that seemed to fix some of the basket problems. I also
have an old KA basket which I use on the top rack for smaller stuff.
BTW, with the wonderful WP designed basket, you cannot put long items in
the left side of the basket because they will prevent the soap door from
opening! Nice going WP. As for drying, everything pretty much dries
with the exception of plastic. I wonder if rinse agent will help that?

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:42:17 AM UTC-7, Art Todesco wrote:
On 5/26/2014 8:24 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:



It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.



[...]



my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....





the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....



frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..



everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......



YOU ARE SO RIGHT!



The dishwasher before this one was a KitchenAid. A tank! Ran for 13 years with never a sneeze. Then hot water wouldn't go in. I FOOLISHLY thought it would be too expensive to pay for repairs ??? so for the next 4 years I handwashed.



Then circumstances dictated that I get a new DW, so I had the old one taken out. Guess why hot water wasn't going in? A ****ing MOUSE had chewed holes in the ****ing hot water hose!!!! Easily replaced for small bux!!!



I am still banging my head against the wall for sacrificing that great old KitchenAid for this plastic POS. KA would have run forever; was well made!!!

With 20-20 hindsight....!!!



HB



Funny thing. We've always had KAs in our previous house. But, each one

kept lasting fewer and fewer years. The 1st one lasted 23 years. The

last one, actually the 3rd, less than 5 years. It would have cost more

to fix it myself, than to replace it. KA actually gave me a $100

voucher to buy another KA. I did that and actually had to fix it a few

times before we moved. Now it's someone else's problem. In my new

house, now almost 5 years old, I have a WP, not top of the line. It is

the best dishwasher we've ever had, as far as cleaning. The only major

complaint is the silverware basket on the door. Because the new DWs

have a larger capacity, the door hinge is mounted much lower to the

floor, thus you almost have to sit on the floor to remove silverware.

If I had realized this, I would have had the cabinet maker mount it

higher, although you do loose some counter top space. I recommended

this to my niece, as she was building after me, and now likes the raised

DW. I realize that the basket is removable, with some difficulty, but

in either case, it's not ideal. So, I tie wrapped the basket to the

lower rack, and that seemed to fix some of the basket problems. I also

have an old KA basket which I use on the top rack for smaller stuff.

BTW, with the wonderful WP designed basket, you cannot put long items in

the left side of the basket because they will prevent the soap door from

opening! Nice going WP. As for drying, everything pretty much dries

with the exception of plastic. I wonder if rinse agent will help that?

Art, that's what I was asking at the outset! To repeat: WP manual says:

1. Little packets of detergent work best.

2. Use rinse agent.

BUT

3. Costco little packets say they *contain* rinse agent.

Who's on first?

Guess I'll just have to buy (expensive) bottles of rinse agent to see if it helps.
But ISTR that wet cutlery problem dates from installation of new DW when I WAS
using rinse agent. OK, launching experiment.

BTW, any chemistry folks around who know just whatthehell is in "rinse agent"???

HB

On 5/27/2014 9:07 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:42:17 AM UTC-7, Art Todesco wrote:
On 5/26/2014 8:24 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:



It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.



[...]



my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....





the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....



frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..



everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......



YOU ARE SO RIGHT!



The dishwasher before this one was a KitchenAid. A tank! Ran for 13 years with never a sneeze. Then hot water wouldn't go in. I FOOLISHLY thought it would be too expensive to pay for repairs ??? so for the next 4 years I handwashed.



Then circumstances dictated that I get a new DW, so I had the old one taken out. Guess why hot water wasn't going in? A ****ing MOUSE had chewed holes in the ****ing hot water hose!!!! Easily replaced for small bux!!!



I am still banging my head against the wall for sacrificing that great old KitchenAid for this plastic POS. KA would have run forever; was well made!!!

With 20-20 hindsight....!!!



HB



Funny thing. We've always had KAs in our previous house. But, each one

kept lasting fewer and fewer years. The 1st one lasted 23 years. The

last one, actually the 3rd, less than 5 years. It would have cost more

to fix it myself, than to replace it. KA actually gave me a $100

voucher to buy another KA. I did that and actually had to fix it a few

times before we moved. Now it's someone else's problem. In my new

house, now almost 5 years old, I have a WP, not top of the line. It is

the best dishwasher we've ever had, as far as cleaning. The only major

complaint is the silverware basket on the door. Because the new DWs

have a larger capacity, the door hinge is mounted much lower to the

floor, thus you almost have to sit on the floor to remove silverware.

If I had realized this, I would have had the cabinet maker mount it

higher, although you do loose some counter top space. I recommended

this to my niece, as she was building after me, and now likes the raised

DW. I realize that the basket is removable, with some difficulty, but

in either case, it's not ideal. So, I tie wrapped the basket to the

lower rack, and that seemed to fix some of the basket problems. I also

have an old KA basket which I use on the top rack for smaller stuff.

BTW, with the wonderful WP designed basket, you cannot put long items in

the left side of the basket because they will prevent the soap door from

opening! Nice going WP. As for drying, everything pretty much dries

with the exception of plastic. I wonder if rinse agent will help that?

Art, that's what I was asking at the outset! To repeat: WP manual says:

1. Little packets of detergent work best.

2. Use rinse agent.

BUT

3. Costco little packets say they *contain* rinse agent.

Who's on first?

Guess I'll just have to buy (expensive) bottles of rinse agent to see if it helps.
But ISTR that wet cutlery problem dates from installation of new DW when I WAS
using rinse agent. OK, launching experiment.

BTW, any chemistry folks around who know just whatthehell is in "rinse agent"???

HB

HB,
As for drying, my WP pretty much dries everything, with the exception of
the plastic, including the inside of the door, which is plastic. Of
course, anything with a dimple on the bottom, now on the top, will hold
water ... but I don't think anything can solve that except for buying
flat bottom cups and glasses. When we used to make our kids unload the
dw (we're empty nesters now), they used to complain about the bottoms
holding water. In some cases, they actually drilled drain holes in some
of the plastic stuff, where it wouldn't compromise the container. I
remember my daughter drilled small holes in the food processor bowl that
would drain through the side. When the cycle finishes, we usually open
the door and pull out the plastic stuff and leave the door open to
evaporate water on the inside of the door and anything that got splashed
when removing the plastic. We too, use the all in one detergent + rinse
agent (a commercial brand). We're definitely going to try the liquid to
see what happens with the plastic.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:07:00 AM UTC-7, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:42:17 AM UTC-7, Art Todesco wrote:

On 5/26/2014 8:24 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:



On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.


Thanks to all for opening door/evaporation option. Will try it & report.

[mucho snippage]

As for drying, everything pretty much dries with the exception of plastic. I wonder if rinse agent will help that?

Art, that's what I was asking at the outset! To repeat: WP manual says:

1. Little packets of detergent work best.

2. Use rinse agent.

BUT

3. Costco little packets say they *contain* rinse agent.

Who's on first?

Guess I'll just have to buy (expensive) bottles of rinse agent to see if it helps.

******BTW, any chemistry folks around who know just whatthehell is in "rinse agent"???******

TIA

HB

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:07:00 AM UTC-7, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:42:17 AM UTC-7, Art Todesco wrote:

On 5/26/2014 8:24 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:



On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:00:04 PM UTC-7, bob haller wrote:



On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:







It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.







[...]







my whirpool dishwasher is less than a year old, so far the main control panel faied and was replaced, then it quit drying dishes.....











the load i just removed was still wet. I just loaded the machine again but will call for more warranty service if they arent dry.....







frankly I think whirpool dishwashers are junk, I am going to stop at lowes tomorrow and talk with the store manager about having them replace the unit..







everyone is making everything so on the cheap its sad......







YOU ARE SO RIGHT!







The dishwasher before this one was a KitchenAid. A tank! Ran for 13 years with never a sneeze. Then hot water wouldn't go in. I FOOLISHLY thought it would be too expensive to pay for repairs ??? so for the next 4 years I handwashed.







Then circumstances dictated that I get a new DW, so I had the old one taken out. Guess why hot water wasn't going in? A ****ing MOUSE had chewed holes in the ****ing hot water hose!!!! Easily replaced for small bux!!!







I am still banging my head against the wall for sacrificing that great old KitchenAid for this plastic POS. KA would have run forever; was well made!!!



With 20-20 hindsight....!!!

[...]


.. As for drying, everything pretty much dries

with the exception of plastic. I wonder if rinse agent will help that?

Art, that's what I was asking at the outset! To repeat: WP manual says:


1. Little packets of detergent work best.



2. Use rinse agent.



BUT



3. Costco little packets say they *contain* rinse agent.



Who's on first?



Guess I'll just have to buy (expensive) bottles of rinse agent to see if it helps.

But ISTR that wet cutlery problem dates from installation of new DW when I WAS

using rinse agent. OK, launching experiment.

Update: Ran a load WITH rinSe agent added to Costco packets. Dried much better; even cutlery. So Costco saying their product contains rinse agent...??

BTW, any chemistry folks around who know just whatthehell is in "rinse agent"???

Update: I went to several DIY sites which recommended plain white vinegar instead of rin$se agent. Might that be a clue to what's in the commercial product? Anybody ever try it? B

HB

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:
My DW, approx 2 years old, is a Whirlpool. Not high end. Invoice read: WH-WDFS1DPAYW, whatever the hell THAT means. (Bottom of invoice said don't rely on number!) If it helps, DW with tax & installation, was $608.



It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.



When DW was installed, I studied the manual and set my preferences as follows:



NORMAL HIGH TEMP SANI-RINSE HEAT DRY.



I just re-consulted manual. It advises using rinse aid to get dishes dry. (I did that at first when using package of powdered detergent.)



But manual also advises using the little "pillows" or packets of detergent.

I switched to packets from Costco long ago; box says packets *contain rinse aid.*



Whatthehell??!!



All I want is dry damn dishes & cutlery.



Any advice?



TIA



HB

I never use the dry setting. When it's done, I just crack
open the door 6 inches or more and let the hot steam out.
A lot of the water goes out and I leave the door open until
it dries out, several hours or overnight, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised that the issue with the heated
dry option is that they are trying to meet govt mandates
for energy efficiency. Heated dry is going to hurt energy
efficiency, so they probably minimize it, where years ago
they ran it long enough to make sure they were dry.

On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:05:24 PM UTC-7, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

[...]

I never use the dry setting. When it's done, I just crack

open the door 6 inches or more and let the hot steam out.

A lot of the water goes out

What does that mean? "A lot..." has it drained?

and I leave the door open until

it dries out, several hours or overnight, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised that the issue with the heated

dry option is that they are trying to meet govt mandates

for energy efficiency. Heated dry is going to hurt energy

efficiency, so they probably minimize it, where years ago

they ran it long enough to make sure they were dry.

Hmmm...verry interesting. Where can I check further into your suggestion?

HB

On Monday, May 26, 2014 8:26:46 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 5:05:24 PM UTC-7, trader_4 wrote:

On Monday, May 26, 2014 2:59:08 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:



[...]



I never use the dry setting. When it's done, I just crack



open the door 6 inches or more and let the hot steam out.



A lot of the water goes out



What does that mean? "A lot..." has it drained?


Of course it's drained. But it's still hot and when
you open the door a lot of the remaining water comes
out as moist hot air. You get all that hot wet
air out and it gets replaced by normal air, helping
to dry the dishes out while they are still hot.
When they are hot, any water on them is going to
evaporate faster. Then you just leave it open for
a few hours or overnight and they are dry. No dry
cycle needed.








and I leave the door open until



it dries out, several hours or overnight, etc.



I wouldn't be surprised that the issue with the heated



dry option is that they are trying to meet govt mandates



for energy efficiency. Heated dry is going to hurt energy



efficiency, so they probably minimize it, where years ago



they ran it long enough to make sure they were dry.



Hmmm...verry interesting. Where can I check further into your suggestion?



HB

Check more? Just try it.

On 5/26/2014 8:05 PM, trader_4 wrote:

I never use the dry setting. When it's done, I just crack
open the door 6 inches or more and let the hot steam out.
A lot of the water goes out and I leave the door open until
it dries out, several hours or overnight, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised that the issue with the heated
dry option is that they are trying to meet govt mandates
for energy efficiency. Heated dry is going to hurt energy
efficiency, so they probably minimize it, where years ago
they ran it long enough to make sure they were dry.


Your method works if you are there to open the door when the cycle is
done.

Our new Kitchen Aid has heat as an option, but we use it all the time.
It has a Pro Wash and Pro Dry setting and does it all automatic. With
Cascade Platinum, dishes come out perfect and sparkling. But I also
paid 3X what the OP paid so it damned well better do a good job.

Oh, the new machines are energy saving, but take longer. Cycle is about
4 hours.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/26/2014 8:05 PM, trader_4 wrote:

I never use the dry setting. When it's done, I just crack
open the door 6 inches or more and let the hot steam out.
A lot of the water goes out and I leave the door open until
it dries out, several hours or overnight, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised that the issue with the heated
dry option is that they are trying to meet govt mandates
for energy efficiency. Heated dry is going to hurt energy
efficiency, so they probably minimize it, where years ago
they ran it long enough to make sure they were dry.


Your method works if you are there to open the door when the cycle is done.

Our new Kitchen Aid has heat as an option, but we use it all the time.
It has a Pro Wash and Pro Dry setting and does it all automatic. With
Cascade Platinum, dishes come out perfect and sparkling. But I also
paid 3X what the OP paid so it damned well better do a good job.

Oh, the new machines are energy saving, but take longer. Cycle is about
4 hours.
Hi,
Our Whirlpool DW lasted 20 years and was still running well when
replaced. Only thing in 20 years it needed new motor/pump assembly I
paid 40.00 at eBay. Now new one is Bosch which is dead quiet when running.
We just use normal wash cycle and cleans, drys very well. We did not
want cutlery basket on the door tho.

On Monday, May 26, 2014 9:46:27 PM UTC-7, Tony Hwang wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/26/2014 8:05 PM, trader_4 wrote:


Your method works if you are there to open the door when the cycle is done.



Our new Kitchen Aid has heat as an option, but we use it all the time.

It has a Pro Wash and Pro Dry setting and does it all automatic. With

Cascade Platinum, dishes come out perfect and sparkling. But I also

paid 3X what the OP paid so it damned well better do a good job.



Oh, the new machines are energy saving, but take longer. Cycle is about

4 hours.

Too ****ing long! I NEED those dishes.

Hi,

Our Whirlpool DW lasted 20 years and was still running well when

replaced. Only thing in 20 years it needed new motor/pump assembly I

paid 40.00 at eBay. Now new one is Bosch which is dead quiet when running.

We just use normal wash cycle and cleans, drys very well. We did not

want cutlery basket on the door tho.

I didn't either! POS; always falling out & getting in the way.

Anybody think that door cutlery basket not getting dry is because of position???

HB

On Tue, 27 May 2014 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:


I didn't either! POS; always falling out & getting in the way.

Anybody think that door cutlery basket not getting dry is because of position???

HB


A silverware basket in the door sounds like just about the stupidest
place for it; I'm sure there are reasons, but having everything
clatter around and fall as you open the door would be annoying, and it
can't possibly get them as clean as on the rack.

To second another suggestion; I'm pretty happy with our 12-year-old
Frigidaire Gallery dishwasher -- it's a higher end model with a
display showing the time remaining, which is GREAT, a feature I'd
never live without again.

I've never known a dishwasher that gets everything bone dry before
it's opened -- perhaps we just never had a good one when I was growing
up (we did have LOUD ones!), or perhaps it's the type of dishes
(dishes/cups with concave recesses when they're on the rack, and
plasticware are the most likely to have water in them). I don't
bother with the "power dry" at all; when I'm around I just pop the
door all the way open right after the last rinse (this is where the
time remaining is a huge benefit), pull out the racks and shake out
the things that have standing water. If the dishes are hot when I do
that, 15-30 minutes later everything's dry enough to put away. If I
do it the next day when it's cold, it can take hours for them to dry.

There are other philosophies (leave it closed, open it shake and
re-close, etc), but for me opening it all the way up and letting the
hot dishes evaporate into the relatively dry house works best.

This dishwasher takes ~90 minutes, and is reasonably quiet (can tell
that it's running in the same room, but not in the next). I wouldn't
trade it for those rumored 2-4 hour cycles some of the new ones take.
I don't need "pin-drop silent". So glad we've moved beyond the 1980s
Maytag "Rhuga Rhuga Rhuga" era that made us turn the TV up 2 rooms
away...

Josh

Higgs,

Check the heating element.

Dave M.

my non working heat dry also prevents the water from heating to clean during the wash cycle. the heater and thermistor have both been replaced once

on Mon, 26 May 2014 17:54:39 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

my non working heat dry also prevents the water from heating to clean during the wash cycle. the heater and thermistor have both been replaced once

I think Ed is correct. Quality has gone pretty much right down the
toilet.

We we redid our kitchen last summer we purchased a Kitchen Aide and
again, like Ed mentioned, it works great. Lots better than the
Kenmore Elite that it replaced. But I had to pay 3+ times what the
others cost. But it was most likely the last kitchen upgrade I'll
ever do.

Good luck.

BobMCT wrote:

on Mon, 26 May 2014 17:54:39 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

my non working heat dry also prevents the water from heating to clean during the wash cycle. the heater and thermistor have both been replaced once

I think Ed is correct. Quality has gone pretty much right down the
toilet.

We we redid our kitchen last summer we purchased a Kitchen Aide and
again, like Ed mentioned, it works great. Lots better than the
Kenmore Elite that it replaced. But I had to pay 3+ times what the
others cost. But it was most likely the last kitchen upgrade I'll
ever do.

Good luck.

Hmmm,
Really speaking of build quality of any thing, wife dropped her laptop
ending up with broken hinge on one side, B4 it quits altogether I went
out to try new laptops. Every one of them felt so flimsy I ended up
buying 4 year NOS Toshiba which is built like tank. Any one watched
Panasonic Tough Book and Motorola's equivalent one going through all
kinds of abuse? First driving a car over them, pouring water, sand, heat
them up under direct sun light. Lastly they blew them up with TNT
sticks. Still they remained in one piece but dead. Motorola one fared
better there. My field work laptop is Durabook semi-rugged mil-spec.
one. I can drop it or bang them around without any problems.

Higgs Boson posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


It has NEVER dried dishes properly;


I suppose you never complained when new. I would replace her with a newer
one and life will be better.

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Tekkie

On 5/26/2014 2:59 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
My DW, approx 2 years old, is a Whirlpool. Not high end. Invoice read: WH-WDFS1DPAYW, whatever the hell THAT means. (Bottom of invoice said don't rely on number!) If it helps, DW with tax & installation, was $608.

It has NEVER dried dishes properly; particularly cutlery in door basket is always wet.

When DW was installed, I studied the manual and set my preferences as follows:

NORMAL HIGH TEMP SANI-RINSE HEAT DRY.

I just re-consulted manual. It advises using rinse aid to get dishes dry. (I did that at first when using package of powdered detergent.)

But manual also advises using the little "pillows" or packets of detergent.
I switched to packets from Costco long ago; box says packets *contain rinse aid.*

Whatthehell??!!

All I want is dry damn dishes & cutlery.

Any advice?

TIA

HB

Reporting back, with use of rinse agent with our almost 5yo Whirlpool
dw. As I previously said, this wp cleans better than any of the KA that
we had in the past 40 years. We are using the all-in-one Finish Power
Ball (sounds like a lottery game). Without rinse agent everything dried
well, except for the depressions on the bottoms of glasses, etc.
Plastic was always wet. After the 1st load using the rinse agent, my
wife said this is much, much better. The only places where water
remained was in the cover groves and in the back side of the plastic
rolled over edges. BTW, after the cycle, I opened the dw to let it
completely cool. So, yes, it is a great improvement. Will it give you
cancer in 50 years .... I don't know.

Art Todesco posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

Finish Power Ball (sounds like a


real set of gonads! Charlie Harper would be proud!

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Tekkie