On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code violation?
If so, I think we are violating!

Likely a fire rated solid door (entry from garage to house).

On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 04:23:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:



Thanks! I would not want a window. But I would get either Fiberglass
or
steel. I was just wondering about the wood ones. I did not think they
were
common any more but the person I was talking to seemed to think that
they
were.

What's "common?" I bought a wooden door Saturday.
Replacing the garage entry, which is falling apart.

Hi,
Door to enter the garage from outside? If from inside
isn't that fire code violation?

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code violation?
If so, I think we are violating!
If it is a solid core wooden door, it is code.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:32:45 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message

...

"Julie Bove" wrote in message





Are these common any more? Looking online, it would seem

not.



You must not have looked very far...

https://www.google.com/search?client...hannel=suggest





As I said in other replies, I was wrong. When I looked at Lowes, I did not

see a category for wood doors. They do in fact have them. Not a lot but

they're there. I stand corrected.

It's not like Lowes is the only place that sells doors. Just
for the hell of it I looked at their closest competitor, you probably
have one right down the street from your Lowes: Home Depot

On the HD website they not only have a category for front wood
doors, they have 323 products in that category. As others have
said, local lumber companies will have boat loads of wood entry
doors they will sell you. Many you'll have to order, but you
can surely get virtually anything you want and are willing to
pay for.

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 21:59:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
| I do stand corrected on this. When I looked again, Lowes does have a
couple
| of cheap wood doors listed but there is no category for wood exterior
doors.
|

You didn't distinguish between slabs and prehung.
They may not have prehung, but any 1 3/4 slab should
be exterior grade. They have those on the shelf. It
sounds like that's what Vic Smith bought.

I didn't really look to see what they were because I am not interested. I
just wanted to correct my error in saying that they didn't sell them.

Yeah, but it's good for the rest of us to know why your imprression is
so far off from Vic's, for example. And Mayayana explained it.

If this were an english usage group, I'd comment on the phrase "prehung
door". It sounds like it's about the door, but the difference is really
the door frame. Practical people like most of those here might not
care about that, but some of the English usage folk find that sort of
thing very interesting.

Here's what I did.

I went to the Lowes website and used the search term, "Exterior doors". I
will go there now and list the categories that come up. Actually the term
they use is "Entry doors".

Oh duh! And now I see when I look at the left side of the screen, there
are 4 listings for wood entry doors. I had not seen that before. I just
looked at the big pictures that say: In-Stock, Steel, Fiberglass, Energy
Star, Decorative and Hardware.

But still... They sell 748 Fiberglass and 464 Steel doors. Only 4 wood?
Seems that wood is not so popular now. Then when I used my Swagbucks search
engine, the first hit I got was for a site that sells really fancy doors
that cost over $1,000.

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code
violation?
If so, I think we are violating!

Likely a fire rated solid door (entry from garage to house).

You don't know this house! There is much in here not up to code. The
garage certainly isn't so why would the door be? It appears to be a cheap
door of some kind that they have painted. On the garage side, they tacked
up a piece of that plastic that is similar to what they used as covers for
the fluorescent lights in the laundry room. Perhaps they were making a kick
plate? You should see what they concocted as a screen door in the kitchen!
It has some clear plastic on it as well.

At any rate, when this house was inspected, we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start in there, (which it
did). the house would be swallowed up quickly. Thankfully I caught the fire
right as it started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and they came
quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of the lights in the laundry room
and while smoldering, it caught the insulation on fire which is above the
entry door to the garage. That space is all open up there and we were told
that it needed to be enclosed with wall board plus the ceiling as well.

The ceiling is nothing but a mess of wires. Former owner was an electrician
and a bad one at that! Don't even get me started on the electrician
problems we've had.

We were given a quote of $2,000 to put the garage right and that is what we
based the price we paid for the house on. But... When the guy came back to
do the work, he hurriedly said that his partner said there was no way they
could feasibly do the job for any amount of money and they just left. So...
That's where we are with that.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2014 04:23:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:



Thanks! I would not want a window. But I would get either Fiberglass
or
steel. I was just wondering about the wood ones. I did not think
they
were
common any more but the person I was talking to seemed to think that
they
were.

What's "common?" I bought a wooden door Saturday.
Replacing the garage entry, which is falling apart.

Hi,
Door to enter the garage from outside? If from inside
isn't that fire code violation?

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code
violation?
If so, I think we are violating!
If it is a solid core wooden door, it is code.

It's a very lightweight door which is why I think they put the jury rigged
plastic kickplate on it.

Daughter and I came home once and I was in a hurry to get into the house. I
pushed the door open quickly, not realizing that my husband was in the
laundry room. I still snicker as I remember this. The door is lightweight
enough not to injure him but it did send him flying into the wall. Our
laundry room isn't very big so my daughter and I saw him splat sort of
splayed out and flat into the wall. We thought it was hilarious. Husband?
Not so much.

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:32:45 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message

...

"Julie Bove" wrote in message





Are these common any more? Looking online, it would seem

not.



You must not have looked very far...

https://www.google.com/search?client...hannel=suggest





As I said in other replies, I was wrong. When I looked at Lowes, I did
not

see a category for wood doors. They do in fact have them. Not a lot but

they're there. I stand corrected.

It's not like Lowes is the only place that sells doors. Just
for the hell of it I looked at their closest competitor, you probably
have one right down the street from your Lowes: Home Depot

No. I know this. It's just the closest place to my house, unless Dunn
Lumber sells doors. I should go in there one day and see what they do sell.
Dunn would be the closest place and then Lowes. Then probably Ace but I'm
not sure if they have doors. At any rate, the repair people I have hired
generally go to Dunn or Lowes due to their proximity.

On the HD website they not only have a category for front wood
doors, they have 323 products in that category. As others have
said, local lumber companies will have boat loads of wood entry
doors they will sell you. Many you'll have to order, but you
can surely get virtually anything you want and are willing to
pay for.

Okay. I wasn't actually looking for a wood door, was just curious as to how
common they were now. When I sold building materials, we only sold wood
doors. But aside from the house where my mom is moving out of and a few
older places where I lived, I only ever had steel doors. So I figured that
steel was more common now.

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:32:45 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message

...

"Julie Bove" wrote in message





Are these common any more? Looking online, it would seem

not.



You must not have looked very far...

https://www.google.com/search?client...r&sourceid=ope
ra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest





As I said in other replies, I was wrong. When I looked at Lowes, I did
not

see a category for wood doors. They do in fact have them. Not a lot but

they're there. I stand corrected.

It's not like Lowes is the only place that sells doors. Just
for the hell of it I looked at their closest competitor, you probably
have one right down the street from your Lowes: Home Depot

No. I know this. It's just the closest place to my house, unless Dunn
Lumber sells doors. I should go in there one day and see what they do sell.
Dunn would be the closest place and then Lowes. Then probably Ace but I'm
not sure if they have doors.

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?


At any rate, the repair people I have hired
generally go to Dunn or Lowes due to their proximity.

On the HD website they not only have a category for front wood
doors, they have 323 products in that category. As others have
said, local lumber companies will have boat loads of wood entry
doors they will sell you. Many you'll have to order, but you
can surely get virtually anything you want and are willing to
pay for.

Okay. I wasn't actually looking for a wood door, was just curious as to how
common they were now. When I sold building materials, we only sold wood
doors. But aside from the house where my mom is moving out of and a few
older places where I lived, I only ever had steel doors. So I figured that
steel was more common now.

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code
violation?
If so, I think we are violating!

Likely a fire rated solid door (entry from garage to house).

You don't know this house! There is much in here not up to code. The
garage certainly isn't so why would the door be? It appears to be a cheap
door of some kind that they have painted. On the garage side, they tacked
up a piece of that plastic that is similar to what they used as covers for
the fluorescent lights in the laundry room. Perhaps they were making a kick
plate? You should see what they concocted as a screen door in the kitchen!
It has some clear plastic on it as well.

At any rate, when this house was inspected,

your house was inspected and they didn't tell you that your doors were
code violators? what did the bank say when you failed your home
inspection?


we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start in there, (which it
did). the house would be swallowed up quickly. Thankfully I caught the fire
right as it started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and they came
quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of the lights in the laundry room
and while smoldering, it caught the insulation on fire which is above the
entry door to the garage.

the insulation caught fire? how? what kind of insulation catches fire?


That space is all open up there and we were told
that it needed to be enclosed with wall board plus the ceiling as well.

The ceiling is nothing but a mess of wires. Former owner was an electrician
and a bad one at that! Don't even get me started on the electrician
problems we've had.

We were given a quote of $2,000 to put the garage right and that is what we
based the price we paid for the house on. But... When the guy came back to
do the work, he hurriedly said that his partner said there was no way they
could feasibly do the job for any amount of money and they just left. So...
That's where we are with that.

and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 21:59:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
| I do stand corrected on this. When I looked again, Lowes does have a
couple
| of cheap wood doors listed but there is no category for wood exterior
doors.
|

You didn't distinguish between slabs and prehung.
They may not have prehung, but any 1 3/4 slab should
be exterior grade. They have those on the shelf. It
sounds like that's what Vic Smith bought.

I didn't really look to see what they were because I am not interested. I
just wanted to correct my error in saying that they didn't sell them.

Yeah, but it's good for the rest of us to know why your imprression is
so far off from Vic's, for example. And Mayayana explained it.

If this were an english usage group, I'd comment on the phrase "prehung
door". It sounds like it's about the door, but the difference is really
the door frame. Practical people like most of those here might not
care about that, but some of the English usage folk find that sort of
thing very interesting.

Here's what I did.

I went to the Lowes website and used the search term, "Exterior doors". I
will go there now and list the categories that come up. Actually the term
they use is "Entry doors".

Oh duh! And now I see when I look at the left side of the screen, there
are 4 listings for wood entry doors. I had not seen that before. I just
looked at the big pictures that say: In-Stock, Steel, Fiberglass, Energy
Star, Decorative and Hardware.

But still... They sell 748 Fiberglass and 464 Steel doors. Only 4 wood?
Seems that wood is not so popular now. Then when I used my Swagbucks search
engine, the first hit I got was for a site that sells really fancy doors
that cost over $1,000.

of course. how else could they afford to pay you for using their search
engine if they didn't direct you to the high end of every search?

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds"
wrote in message

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start
in there, (which it did). the house would be swallowed
up quickly. Thankfully I caught the fire right as it
started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and
they came quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of
the lights in the laundry room and while smoldering, it
caught the insulation on fire which is above the entry
door to the garage.

the insulation caught fire? how? what kind of insulation
catches fire?

Celluose.

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On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY* house.

On Thu, 8 May 2014 01:20:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


It's a very lightweight door which is why I think they put the jury rigged
plastic kickplate on it.

I've never seen a plastic kickplate.

I put a brass kickplate on mine outside because the veneer was chipping
at the bottom. The inside needs one too now. I'm trying to decide how
tacky it looks, if at all, but I think it's common and no one will
notice.

Daughter and I came home once and I was in a hurry to get into the house. I
pushed the door open quickly, not realizing that my husband was in the
laundry room. I still snicker as I remember this. The door is lightweight
enough not to injure him but it did send him flying into the wall.

I don't think it works that way. It it was heavy enough to send him
into the wall, it's heavy or maybe you were continuing to push on it. .
It didnt' injure him because instead of standing still while he was hit,
he moved away from the door, whether propelled by the door or by his own
reflex and muscles.

To see if the door is solid or not, I'd tap on it. A solid door will
make a different sound from your interior hollow doors, like for the
bedroom and bathroom.

No one has pointed out that if your door was code when the house was
built, or later for that matter, it's probably grandfathered in, and
okay. Even if newly constructed houses in the same jurisdiction would
have have to have a better door.

I think one could count on less than one hand the number of things that
people have been forced to change on a house that was up to code when
built.

I can only think of one, a fence around a swimming pool. That is,
there might be some place where swiimming pools were built and no fence
was required around it at the time. Maybe Hollywood in 1925. Or some
all farm area which suddenly got suburbanite "subdivisions" and pools
before they could change the laws.

Are there others?

I'm not talking about banning slaughterhouses or pig farming or oil
drilling in an area that used to allow them, but about physical
construction of the house.

My friend 5 years ago bought a house with knob and tube wiring. It was
still legal in that house, though my friend replaced it anyhow.


Our
laundry room isn't very big so my daughter and I saw him splat sort of
splayed out and flat into the wall. We thought it was hilarious. Husband?
Not so much.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 21:59:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"

wrote:


"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
| I do stand corrected on this. When I looked again, Lowes does have
a
couple
| of cheap wood doors listed but there is no category for wood
exterior
doors.
|

You didn't distinguish between slabs and prehung.
They may not have prehung, but any 1 3/4 slab should
be exterior grade. They have those on the shelf. It
sounds like that's what Vic Smith bought.

I didn't really look to see what they were because I am not interested.
I
just wanted to correct my error in saying that they didn't sell them.

Yeah, but it's good for the rest of us to know why your imprression is
so far off from Vic's, for example. And Mayayana explained it.

If this were an english usage group, I'd comment on the phrase "prehung
door". It sounds like it's about the door, but the difference is
really
the door frame. Practical people like most of those here might not
care about that, but some of the English usage folk find that sort of
thing very interesting.

Here's what I did.

I went to the Lowes website and used the search term, "Exterior doors".
I
will go there now and list the categories that come up. Actually the
term
they use is "Entry doors".

Oh duh! And now I see when I look at the left side of the screen, there
are 4 listings for wood entry doors. I had not seen that before. I just
looked at the big pictures that say: In-Stock, Steel, Fiberglass, Energy
Star, Decorative and Hardware.

But still... They sell 748 Fiberglass and 464 Steel doors. Only 4 wood?
Seems that wood is not so popular now. Then when I used my Swagbucks
search
engine, the first hit I got was for a site that sells really fancy doors
that cost over $1,000.

of course. how else could they afford to pay you for using their search
engine if they didn't direct you to the high end of every search?

What? Lowes doesn't pay me!

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 22:01:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code
violation?
If so, I think we are violating!

Likely a fire rated solid door (entry from garage to house).

You don't know this house! There is much in here not up to code. The
garage certainly isn't so why would the door be? It appears to be a
cheap
door of some kind that they have painted. On the garage side, they
tacked
up a piece of that plastic that is similar to what they used as covers
for
the fluorescent lights in the laundry room. Perhaps they were making a
kick
plate? You should see what they concocted as a screen door in the
kitchen!
It has some clear plastic on it as well.

At any rate, when this house was inspected,

your house was inspected and they didn't tell you that your doors were
code violators? what did the bank say when you failed your home
inspection?


we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start in there, (which
it
did). the house would be swallowed up quickly. Thankfully I caught the
fire
right as it started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and they
came
quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of the lights in the laundry
room
and while smoldering, it caught the insulation on fire which is above the
entry door to the garage.

the insulation caught fire? how? what kind of insulation catches fire?

No clue. Looks like fiberglass. You can still see the blackened part where
it was smoldering.


That space is all open up there and we were told
that it needed to be enclosed with wall board plus the ceiling as well.

The ceiling is nothing but a mess of wires. Former owner was an
electrician
and a bad one at that! Don't even get me started on the electrician
problems we've had.

We were given a quote of $2,000 to put the garage right and that is what
we
based the price we paid for the house on. But... When the guy came back
to
do the work, he hurriedly said that his partner said there was no way
they
could feasibly do the job for any amount of money and they just left.
So...
That's where we are with that.

and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

I didn't file a claim.

"0ren" wrote in message
...
On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*
house.

Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built
well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things were
not up to code.

We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of vents
that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code which
is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It gets
very damp in there.

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 May 2014 01:20:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


It's a very lightweight door which is why I think they put the jury rigged
plastic kickplate on it.

I've never seen a plastic kickplate.

Well, I can only assume that is what it is because it is on the lower part
of the door. They (former owners) stuck the plastic on there.

I put a brass kickplate on mine outside because the veneer was chipping
at the bottom. The inside needs one too now. I'm trying to decide how
tacky it looks, if at all, but I think it's common and no one will
notice.

Daughter and I came home once and I was in a hurry to get into the house.
I
pushed the door open quickly, not realizing that my husband was in the
laundry room. I still snicker as I remember this. The door is
lightweight
enough not to injure him but it did send him flying into the wall.

I don't think it works that way. It it was heavy enough to send him
into the wall, it's heavy or maybe you were continuing to push on it. .
It didnt' injure him because instead of standing still while he was hit,
he moved away from the door, whether propelled by the door or by his own
reflex and muscles.

I didn't really push on it. I just flung it. And it is very lightweight.

To see if the door is solid or not, I'd tap on it. A solid door will
make a different sound from your interior hollow doors, like for the
bedroom and bathroom.

This door sounds very hollow.

No one has pointed out that if your door was code when the house was
built, or later for that matter, it's probably grandfathered in, and
okay. Even if newly constructed houses in the same jurisdiction would
have have to have a better door.

I think one could count on less than one hand the number of things that
people have been forced to change on a house that was up to code when
built.

I can only think of one, a fence around a swimming pool. That is,
there might be some place where swiimming pools were built and no fence
was required around it at the time. Maybe Hollywood in 1925. Or some
all farm area which suddenly got suburbanite "subdivisions" and pools
before they could change the laws.

Are there others?

I'm not talking about banning slaughterhouses or pig farming or oil
drilling in an area that used to allow them, but about physical
construction of the house.

My friend 5 years ago bought a house with knob and tube wiring. It was
still legal in that house, though my friend replaced it anyhow.

Okay. I just know when the house was inspected, nothing was said about
doors.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:32:45 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message

...

"Julie Bove" wrote in message





Are these common any more? Looking online, it would seem

not.



You must not have looked very far...

https://www.google.com/search?client...r&sourceid=ope
ra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest





As I said in other replies, I was wrong. When I looked at Lowes, I
did
not

see a category for wood doors. They do in fact have them. Not a lot
but

they're there. I stand corrected.

It's not like Lowes is the only place that sells doors. Just
for the hell of it I looked at their closest competitor, you probably
have one right down the street from your Lowes: Home Depot

No. I know this. It's just the closest place to my house, unless Dunn
Lumber sells doors. I should go in there one day and see what they do
sell.
Dunn would be the closest place and then Lowes. Then probably Ace but
I'm
not sure if they have doors.

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the Internet? I
don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door right now. I was just
looking to see what is available.

On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the Internet? I
don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door right now. I was just
looking to see what is available.

No it can't. Malformed is different from normal people.

I have a fan boy, posing a "0ren". He/she/it uses Linux.

Mr. Dufas also has some followers - his fan boy.

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 May 2014 21:59:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"

wrote:


"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
| I do stand corrected on this. When I looked again, Lowes does have
a
couple
| of cheap wood doors listed but there is no category for wood
exterior
doors.
|

You didn't distinguish between slabs and prehung.
They may not have prehung, but any 1 3/4 slab should
be exterior grade. They have those on the shelf. It
sounds like that's what Vic Smith bought.

I didn't really look to see what they were because I am not interested.
I
just wanted to correct my error in saying that they didn't sell them.

Yeah, but it's good for the rest of us to know why your imprression is
so far off from Vic's, for example. And Mayayana explained it.

If this were an english usage group, I'd comment on the phrase "prehung
door". It sounds like it's about the door, but the difference is
really
the door frame. Practical people like most of those here might not
care about that, but some of the English usage folk find that sort of
thing very interesting.

Here's what I did.

I went to the Lowes website and used the search term, "Exterior doors".
I
will go there now and list the categories that come up. Actually the
term
they use is "Entry doors".

Oh duh! And now I see when I look at the left side of the screen, there
are 4 listings for wood entry doors. I had not seen that before. I just
looked at the big pictures that say: In-Stock, Steel, Fiberglass, Energy
Star, Decorative and Hardware.

But still... They sell 748 Fiberglass and 464 Steel doors. Only 4 wood?
Seems that wood is not so popular now. Then when I used my Swagbucks
search
engine, the first hit I got was for a site that sells really fancy doors
that cost over $1,000.

of course. how else could they afford to pay you for using their search
engine if they didn't direct you to the high end of every search?

What? Lowes doesn't pay me!

but swagbucks does and where do you think swagbucks gets the money to do
that?

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What? The door from the inside made of wood would be a fire code
violation?
If so, I think we are violating!

Likely a fire rated solid door (entry from garage to house).

You don't know this house! There is much in here not up to code. The
garage certainly isn't so why would the door be? It appears to be a
cheap
door of some kind that they have painted. On the garage side, they
tacked
up a piece of that plastic that is similar to what they used as covers
for
the fluorescent lights in the laundry room. Perhaps they were making a
kick
plate? You should see what they concocted as a screen door in the
kitchen!
It has some clear plastic on it as well.

At any rate, when this house was inspected,

your house was inspected and they didn't tell you that your doors were
code violators? what did the bank say when you failed your home
inspection?


we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start in there, (which
it
did). the house would be swallowed up quickly. Thankfully I caught the
fire
right as it started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and they
came
quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of the lights in the laundry
room
and while smoldering, it caught the insulation on fire which is above the
entry door to the garage.

the insulation caught fire? how? what kind of insulation catches fire?

No clue. Looks like fiberglass. You can still see the blackened part where
it was smoldering.

it's impossible to set fiberglass insulation on fire, it's impossible to
set cellulose insulation on fire. in fact it's impossible to set any
modern legitimate insulation on fire




That space is all open up there and we were told
that it needed to be enclosed with wall board plus the ceiling as well.

The ceiling is nothing but a mess of wires. Former owner was an
electrician
and a bad one at that! Don't even get me started on the electrician
problems we've had.

We were given a quote of $2,000 to put the garage right and that is what
we
based the price we paid for the house on. But... When the guy came back
to
do the work, he hurriedly said that his partner said there was no way
they
could feasibly do the job for any amount of money and they just left.
So...
That's where we are with that.

and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

I didn't file a claim.

and when you do file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

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"Julie Bove" wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message
...
On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*
house.

Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built
well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things were
not up to code.

and some of those things need to be upgraded when ownership changes,
like earthquake straps for water heaters


We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of vents
that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code which
is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It gets
very damp in there.

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"Julie Bove" wrote:

we were told that there is too
much air space in the garage and if a fire should start
in there, (which it did). the house would be swallowed
up quickly. Thankfully I caught the fire right as it
started, the fire station is perhaps 2 blocks away and
they came quickly. We had a ballast burn from one of
the lights in the laundry room and while smoldering, it
caught the insulation on fire which is above the entry
door to the garage.

the insulation caught fire? how? what kind of insulation
catches fire?

Celluose.

not if it's been properly treated with borate as it's supposed to be

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Are these common any more? Looking online, it would seem

not.



You must not have looked very far...

https://www.google.com/search?client...d+entry+door&s
ourceid= ope ra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest





As I said in other replies, I was wrong. When I looked at
Lowes, I did not

see a category for wood doors. They do in fact have them. Not
a lot but

they're there. I stand corrected.

It's not like Lowes is the only place that sells doors. Just for
the hell of it I looked at their closest competitor, you
probably have one right down the street from your Lowes: Home
Depot

No. I know this. It's just the closest place to my house, unless
Dunn Lumber sells doors. I should go in there one day and see
what they do sell. Dunn would be the closest place and then Lowes.
Then probably Ace but I'm not sure if they have doors.

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the
Internet?

you really do think that much of yourself, don't you.


I don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door
right now. I was just looking to see what is available.

then why start a thread about such doors and phrase it as if it were
important to you?

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Oren wrote:

On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the Internet? I
don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door right now. I was just
looking to see what is available.

No it can't. Malformed is different from normal people.

yes, I'm much better



I have a fan boy, posing a "0ren". He/she/it uses Linux.

Mr. Dufas also has some followers - his fan boy.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message
...
On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*
house.

Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built
well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things
were
not up to code.

and some of those things need to be upgraded when ownership changes,
like earthquake straps for water heaters

My mom has those. We do too.

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the Internet? I
don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door right now. I was
just
looking to see what is available.

No it can't. Malformed is different from normal people.

I have a fan boy, posing a "0ren". He/she/it uses Linux.

Mr. Dufas also has some followers - his fan boy.

Good grief!

On Thu, 8 May 2014 22:54:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 May 2014 18:51:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

so your search engine is broke and you can't make your phone work?

Don't you have something better to do than stalking me on the Internet? I
don't *want* a wood door! I don't even want any door right now. I was
just
looking to see what is available.

No it can't. Malformed is different from normal people.

I have a fan boy, posing a "0ren". He/she/it uses Linux.

Mr. Dufas also has some followers - his fan boy.

Good grief!

I know. It is terrible. They have rings on their fingers and bells on
their shoes. Just awful.

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"0ren" wrote in message

...

On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will

notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim



If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.



A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*

house.



Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built

well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things were

not up to code.



We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of vents

that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code which

is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It gets

very damp in there.


Who says you have to change things to make it up to code? Are you
confusing what a "home inspector" squaks about with what is actually
required by code? Normally, probably 90%+ of what was built to code
at the time it was built is not required by law to be brought up to
current code, meaning you could get a CO and sell the house to a
buyer. An example of an exception would be smoke detectors. But the
town isn't going to require you to bring the electrical system up to
current code. A home inspector is free to squak about anything he
wants to. And if you want to sell the house to his buyer, then you
may have to fix what he's squaking about or give a discount, but if
what they are squaking about is unreasonable, you could also find
another buyer.

In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message
...
On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*
house.

Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built
well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things
were
not up to code.

and some of those things need to be upgraded when ownership changes,
like earthquake straps for water heaters

My mom has those. We do too.

will wonders never cease

On 05/08/2014 05:47 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message ...
On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will
notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim

If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.

A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY* house.

Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things were not up to code.

We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of vents that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code which is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It gets very damp in there.

Some building codes, like venting a roof, are useful. As I'm sure you are aware, without proper venting, the life of the building structure will be drastically shortened.

Other codes, like mandatory residential fire sprinkler systems, are of dubious value. Their main purpose is to enrich the pockets of the fire sprinkler manufacturers.

"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"0ren" wrote in message

...

On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will

notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim



If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.



A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*

house.



Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built

well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things
were

not up to code.



We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of
vents

that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code
which

is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It
gets

very damp in there.


Who says you have to change things to make it up to code? Are you
confusing what a "home inspector" squaks about with what is actually
required by code? Normally, probably 90%+ of what was built to code
at the time it was built is not required by law to be brought up to
current code, meaning you could get a CO and sell the house to a
buyer. An example of an exception would be smoke detectors. But the
town isn't going to require you to bring the electrical system up to
current code. A home inspector is free to squak about anything he
wants to. And if you want to sell the house to his buyer, then you
may have to fix what he's squaking about or give a discount, but if
what they are squaking about is unreasonable, you could also find
another buyer.


This was the inspector that we hired prior to buying the house.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:55:52 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

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On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message



...



On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:



and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector will



notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your claim







If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.







A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually *ANY*


And a bad one can find multiple "alleged" code violations too.





house.







Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was built



well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some things

were



not up to code.







We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of

vents



that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code

which



is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It

gets



very damp in there.





Who says you have to change things to make it up to code? Are you

confusing what a "home inspector" squaks about with what is actually

required by code? Normally, probably 90%+ of what was built to code

at the time it was built is not required by law to be brought up to

current code, meaning you could get a CO and sell the house to a

buyer. An example of an exception would be smoke detectors. But the

town isn't going to require you to bring the electrical system up to

current code. A home inspector is free to squak about anything he

wants to. And if you want to sell the house to his buyer, then you

may have to fix what he's squaking about or give a discount, but if

what they are squaking about is unreasonable, you could also find

another buyer.





This was the inspector that we hired prior to buying the house.

It sounds like you are conflating several things. Let's take the
example of roof venting. If a house was built to the code at the time,
in most jurisdictions, as long as the roof venting met the code at the
time the roof went on, then the house is grandfathered because most of the
codes are not applied retroactively. So, I'm guessing you hired a
home inspector and he looked at the roof. He might have said that the
roof looks like it's in the middle of it's life, but that in his opinion,
it should have more venting. In that case, as long as the roof venting
met the code at the time it was built, it's not a code violation. You
could get a CO and buy the house if you chose to. You can probably choose
to not buy the house unless the seller increases the venting, but the
seller can also say he's not doing it and there is very likely no code
that says he or you has to bring it up to current code.

Or he could have said that it needs a new roof and that the venting is
inadequate. In that case, when you put a new roof on, the venting
most likely would have to be increased if it doesn't meet today's reqts
for venting.

Note that I'm not arguing that if the roof venting is inadequate,
increasing it isn't a good idea. If it doesn't have adequate venting
I'd increase it. I'm just saying that if it was built
to code at the time, it's unlikely you have to bring it up to code.
If you applied that to all the various things in houses, there would
be a huge amount of expensive work required on houses that were even
just 20 years old. There are some things that are required to be up
to current new code, eg smoke detectors, but those things are the
exceptions.

"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:55:52 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

...

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

"0ren" wrote in message



...



On 05/08/2014 01:40 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:



and now when you file an insurance claim, the insurance inspector
will



notice all of the code violations and you won't get paid on your
claim







If that were true then no one would ever have their claims paid.







A good inspector can find multiple code violations in virtually
*ANY*


And a bad one can find multiple "alleged" code violations too.





house.







Yes. My mom is selling her house. It was built in 1962. It was
built



well. It's just that codes have changed over the years and some
things

were



not up to code.







We are getting a new roof. We don't have any vents. Or the kind of

vents



that a roof needs. We have to have those put in to make it up to code

which



is a good thing. He said the garage in particular was quite bad. It

gets



very damp in there.





Who says you have to change things to make it up to code? Are you

confusing what a "home inspector" squaks about with what is actually

required by code? Normally, probably 90%+ of what was built to code

at the time it was built is not required by law to be brought up to

current code, meaning you could get a CO and sell the house to a

buyer. An example of an exception would be smoke detectors. But the

town isn't going to require you to bring the electrical system up to

current code. A home inspector is free to squak about anything he

wants to. And if you want to sell the house to his buyer, then you

may have to fix what he's squaking about or give a discount, but if

what they are squaking about is unreasonable, you could also find

another buyer.





This was the inspector that we hired prior to buying the house.

It sounds like you are conflating several things. Let's take the
example of roof venting. If a house was built to the code at the time,
in most jurisdictions, as long as the roof venting met the code at the
time the roof went on, then the house is grandfathered because most of the
codes are not applied retroactively. So, I'm guessing you hired a
home inspector and he looked at the roof. He might have said that the
roof looks like it's in the middle of it's life, but that in his opinion,
it should have more venting. In that case, as long as the roof venting
met the code at the time it was built, it's not a code violation. You
could get a CO and buy the house if you chose to. You can probably choose
to not buy the house unless the seller increases the venting, but the
seller can also say he's not doing it and there is very likely no code
that says he or you has to bring it up to current code.

Yes. At the time we bought the house, no houses had vents like we will be
getting. I only began to notice them a few years ago. However, if they
will fix the problem of the damp garage, I'm all for it!

Or he could have said that it needs a new roof and that the venting is
inadequate. In that case, when you put a new roof on, the venting
most likely would have to be increased if it doesn't meet today's reqts
for venting.

Yes.

Note that I'm not arguing that if the roof venting is inadequate,
increasing it isn't a good idea. If it doesn't have adequate venting
I'd increase it. I'm just saying that if it was built
to code at the time, it's unlikely you have to bring it up to code.
If you applied that to all the various things in houses, there would
be a huge amount of expensive work required on houses that were even
just 20 years old. There are some things that are required to be up
to current new code, eg smoke detectors, but those things are the
exceptions.

Agree. But when he said that it needed vents, particularly over the garage,
I did tell him that indeed that was where we were having problems.