On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:11:26 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
"Neil Macdonald" "Neil wrote in message

...

Note to the reader:



You will see below that a journalist writing for Canada's national

broadcaster (CBC) has no problems pointing out Israel's occupation of

the West Bank when drawing parallels with Russia and Ukraine. You will

not see such mention of Israel in the US media. This is an example of

something I pointed out a week or two ago - how Canada ranked so high on

the recent global scale of journalistic freedom - and the US was far

down on that list.



Of course it's par for the course that american media and "news" outlets

would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can invade

other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of

"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".



================================

/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980



.

There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the USA

took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.



In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence the

Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)



Kettle Pot Black.

Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are
relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly
conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in
the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?

wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:11:26 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
"Neil Macdonald" "Neil wrote in message

...

Note to the reader:



You will see below that a journalist writing for Canada's national

broadcaster (CBC) has no problems pointing out Israel's occupation of

the West Bank when drawing parallels with Russia and Ukraine. You will

not see such mention of Israel in the US media. This is an example of

something I pointed out a week or two ago - how Canada ranked so high
on

the recent global scale of journalistic freedom - and the US was far

down on that list.



Of course it's par for the course that american media and "news"
outlets

would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can
invade

other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of

"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".



================================

/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980



.

There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the
USA

took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.



In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence the

Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)



Kettle Pot Black.

Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are
relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly
conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in
the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?

1959 ****-fer-brains.
Don't you know your own history?
The USA was always as bad as the USSR.
Worse than ever nowadays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#...2.80.931959.29
http://www.freehawaii.org/

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, harry wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:11:26 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:

"Neil Macdonald" "Neil wrote in message



...



Note to the reader:







You will see below that a journalist writing for Canada's national



broadcaster (CBC) has no problems pointing out Israel's occupation of



the West Bank when drawing parallels with Russia and Ukraine. You will



not see such mention of Israel in the US media. This is an example of



something I pointed out a week or two ago - how Canada ranked so high

on



the recent global scale of journalistic freedom - and the US was far



down on that list.







Of course it's par for the course that american media and "news"

outlets



would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can

invade



other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of



"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".







================================



/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980







.



There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the

USA



took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.







In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence the



Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)







Kettle Pot Black.



Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are

relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly

conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in

the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?



1959 ****-fer-brains.

Don't you know your own history?


Yes I know history and obviously you don't. 1959 is when it
became a *state*, idiot after a free referendum in Hawaii of 17-1 to do so.
Also note that the vote was not held with US troops, tanks, mines
deployed all over HI, refusing to let media, observors, in. HI was
annexed as a US territory in the
19th century and I thought that was what you were referring to, but
you're obviously even more stupid than I thought.




The USA was always as bad as the USSR.


If it wasn't for the USA, you'd be speaking Geramn, or even
better, the Nazis would have shoved you or your brain
damaged predecessors into an oven. Eugenics was quite popluar
back then and clearly something is wrong in your gene pool.

outlets



would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can

invade



other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of



"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".







================================



/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980







.



There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the

USA



took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.







In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence
the



Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)







Kettle Pot Black.



Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are

relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly

conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in

the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?



1959 ****-fer-brains.

Don't you know your own history?


Yes I know history and obviously you don't. 1959 is when it
became a *state*, idiot after a free referendum in Hawaii of 17-1 to do
so.
Also note that the vote was not held with US troops, tanks, mines
deployed all over HI, refusing to let media, observors, in. HI was
annexed as a US territory in the
19th century and I thought that was what you were referring to, but
you're obviously even more stupid than I thought.




The USA was always as bad as the USSR.


If it wasn't for the USA, you'd be speaking Geramn, or even
better, the Nazis would have shoved you or your brain
damaged predecessors into an oven. Eugenics was quite popluar
back then and clearly something is wrong in your gene pool.

Eugenics was invented in the USA and is still up and running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eugenics_Society
You are an evil race.

There was no free vote in Hawaii.
As with Crimea, Hawaii was stuffed with foreigners from mainland USA before
the "vote". (Including members of the armed forces and a large naval base.)

Acknowledged in the USA (finally).
http://www.freehawaii.org/bill103.html

You were kicked out of the Philipines, you will be kicked out of Hawaii.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

Don't you know your own history?

Yes I do. Sons of Liberty beat the British Empire.

The USA was always as bad as the USSR.

Bull****

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:57:30 PM UTC-4, harry wrote:


If it wasn't for the USA, you'd be speaking Geramn, or even

better, the Nazis would have shoved you or your brain

damaged predecessors into an oven. Eugenics was quite popluar

back then and clearly something is wrong in your gene pool.



Eugenics was invented in the USA and is still up and running.


Liar, it was invented by a kinght in your own country, imbecile:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

"Eugenics, as a modern concept, was originally developed by Francis Galton. It has roots in France, Germany, Great Britain and the United States in the 1860s-1870s.[5]"

"Sir Francis Galton, FRS was an English Victorian polymath: anthropologist, eugenicist, tropical explorer, geographer, inventor, meteorologist, proto-geneticist, psychometrician, and statistician. He was knighted in 1909. "

And clearly the Nazis were the ones that carried to the greatest
extremes. The record of the 6 mil Jews, homosexuals, handicapped that
they shoved in ovens speaks for itself, idiot.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eugenics_Society

You are an evil race.


Further proof that you're an idiot. This is the firs time
that I've heard that a USA "race" exists.






There was no free vote in Hawaii.

As with Crimea, Hawaii was stuffed with foreigners from mainland USA before

the "vote". (Including members of the armed forces and a large naval base.)



Acknowledged in the USA (finally).

http://www.freehawaii.org/bill103.html



That's back in the 19th century, exactly as I said, not 1959.
Again, if you want to go back there and use that as an excuse
for Russian invading Crimea in 2014, then you can just as easily
justify slavery anywhere in the world today, because it existed
in a similar timeframe. You really are an idiot.



You were kicked out of the Philipines, you will be kicked out of Hawaii.

Maybe it't time to look closer to home at the collapse of the
UK empire on which the sun never set. How many major countries have you
been "kicked" out of? And that whole argument is the exact opposite
of what you're claiming, but you're too stupid to realize it. If
a country wants us to take our bases out, like Philipines, we've done
that, we didn't send troops and tanks in to conquer them like Putin did.
The US has never sought to invade and conquer. Our record of defeating
enemies of the world, ie Germany, Italy, Japan, then rebuilding them
and setting them free speaks for itself. You truly are the village
idiot and totally deranged.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:30 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

There was no free vote in Hawaii.

What did the King or Queen say about that?

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

You were kicked out of the Philipines, you will be kicked out of Hawaii.

Maybe it't time to look closer to home at the collapse of the
UK empire on which the sun never set.

harry is really ****ed off about us beating the British Empire. Sent
their asses home with their coat tail sucked into the crack of their
asses. Huh harry?

We defeated the British - the first and only nation to perform the
task. Some Vikings and Romans may debate this.

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

Don't you know your own history?

Yes I do. Sons of Liberty beat the British Empire.

The USA was always as bad as the USSR.

Bull****

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...MCNEWEML6619I2

wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:11:26 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
"Neil Macdonald" "Neil wrote in message

...

Note to the reader:



You will see below that a journalist writing for Canada's national

broadcaster (CBC) has no problems pointing out Israel's occupation of

the West Bank when drawing parallels with Russia and Ukraine. You
will

not see such mention of Israel in the US media. This is an example
of

something I pointed out a week or two ago - how Canada ranked so high
on

the recent global scale of journalistic freedom - and the US was far

down on that list.



Of course it's par for the course that american media and "news"
outlets

would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can
invade

other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of

"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".



================================

/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980



.

There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the
USA

took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.



In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence the

Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)



Kettle Pot Black.

Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are
relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly
conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in
the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?

1959 ****-fer-brains.
Don't you know your own history?
The USA was always as bad as the USSR.
Worse than ever nowadays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#...2.80.931959.29
http://www.freehawaii.org/


Harry, I guess you didn't real the link you posted

"In the 1950s the power of the plantation owners was finally broken by
descendants of immigrant laborers. Because they were born in a U.S.
territory, they were legal U.S. citizens. The Hawaii Republican Party,
strongly supported by plantation owners, was voted out of office. The
Democratic Party of Hawaii dominated politics for 40 years. Eager to
gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for
statehood."


The white colonial ones that was.

"In 1993 President Bill Clinton and the U.S. Congress signed Public Law
103-150 where the Government of the United States of America formally
apologized to the Hawaiian People for falsely imprisoning their Queen and
conquering the nation of Hawaii, They did not, in any way, promise the
restoration of the Sovereign Nation of Hawaii or reparations for the 100
years of occupation."

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:08:00 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:





wrote in message

...

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:11:26 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:

"Neil Macdonald" "Neil wrote in message



...



Note to the reader:







You will see below that a journalist writing for Canada's national



broadcaster (CBC) has no problems pointing out Israel's occupation of



the West Bank when drawing parallels with Russia and Ukraine. You

will



not see such mention of Israel in the US media. This is an example

of



something I pointed out a week or two ago - how Canada ranked so high

on



the recent global scale of journalistic freedom - and the US was far



down on that list.







Of course it's par for the course that american media and "news"

outlets



would not dare point out how ludicrous it is that only the US can

invade



other countries to perform "regime change" under the pretense of



"preemtive war" while protecting their "strategic interests".







================================



/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980







.



There is an almost exact parallel far closer to home here with how the

USA



took over and forcibly integrated Hawaii with even less excuse.







In this case the Hawaiians wanted to join the British empire (hence the



Union "jack" incorporated into their state flag.)







Kettle Pot Black.



Unbelievable. You're claiming that events from 125 years ago are

relevant today? Following similar logic, you could quickly

conclude that slavery today is justified and OK, because it existed in

the USA and other countries 150 years ago. See how that works?



1959 ****-fer-brains.

Don't you know your own history?

The USA was always as bad as the USSR.

Worse than ever nowadays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#...2.80.931959.29

http://www.freehawaii.org/





Harry, I guess you didn't real the link you posted



"In the 1950s the power of the plantation owners was finally broken by

descendants of immigrant laborers. Because they were born in a U.S.

territory, they were legal U.S. citizens. The Hawaii Republican Party,

strongly supported by plantation owners, was voted out of office. The

Democratic Party of Hawaii dominated politics for 40 years. Eager to

gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for

statehood."





The white colonial ones that was.



"In 1993 President Bill Clinton and the U.S. Congress signed Public Law

103-150 where the Government of the United States of America formally

apologized to the Hawaiian People for falsely imprisoning their Queen and

conquering the nation of Hawaii, They did not, in any way, promise the

restoration of the Sovereign Nation of Hawaii or reparations for the 100

years of occupation."

What he apologized for was 125 years ago. That is what I pointed
out to you, that you're trying to apply what went on 125 years ago to
the world today. You could just as easily justify slavery today using
your logic. And when I pointed that out you said:

"1959 ****-fer-brains.
Don't you know your own history? "

So, gfre quickly pointed out that your reference to 1959 is BS,
because that is when Hawaii became a state after their govt, citizens,
lobbied for it for years.

See the difference now? And why does your penis envy focus on
the USA? Why aren't you here bitching about the many countries that
the UK acquired as part of it's Empire, in one way or another 100+
years ago? And like the USA, in the case of the UK, I think you'd have to go
back a hell of a long way to find a case where they sent troops
into a sovereign nation that they had no conflict with, that wasn't
bothering them, etc. like Putin just did with Crimea.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:02:44 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"
wrote:

Don't you know your own history?

Yes I do. Sons of Liberty beat the British Empire.

The USA was always as bad as the USSR.

Bull****

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...MCNEWEML6619I2


That story does not support your claim. What happened in this case was
judicial misconduct and suppression of evidence by local officials in
one county, in one state.

Your claim comparing the USA to the USSR remains bull****.

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:13:34 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:02:44 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:





"Oren" wrote in message

.. .

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:



Don't you know your own history?



Yes I do. Sons of Liberty beat the British Empire.



The USA was always as bad as the USSR.



Bull****



http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...MCNEWEML6619I2





That story does not support your claim. What happened in this case was

judicial misconduct and suppression of evidence by local officials in

one county, in one state.



Your claim comparing the USA to the USSR remains bull****.

For what goes on in Russia, 60 Mins ran a story about a month ago,
before their invasion of Crimea. It was about an American businessman
who started a venture fund in the 90s to invest in Russia. The idea was
to buy govt owned companies at a price where they could make a
reasonable profit as they existed. And then to make them efficient, get
rid of the waste, incompetence, corruption, etc and thereby make more
money for themselves, the employees, etc. If you had invested $1 when
it started, a decade later the fund was worth $35.

Problem was, they were too successful and got the wrong people ****ed
off. This guy came back to the USA for a trip and when he tried to
go back to Russia, at immigrations there they told him he had been
kicked out of the country and could not enter. The police raided 3
of his companies that were worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Using the documents from the police seizure, they then falsified
records as if the companies had been legally sold. To whom?
Essentially the Russian mafia. Whereupon the new "owners" applied
for a tax refund from the Russian govt. They got it, $250mil, the
largest ever in russia. And you know that didn't just involve some
low level Russian tax officials, it had to go to the top.

So, he hired the best tax attorney in Russia, a 35 year old with
a record of winning cases, honest, guy. He starts to pursue it
and next his offices and house are searched and he's arrested for
tax fraud. Normally, someone like that would be out in a couple
of days on bail. They denied him bail and put him in an unheated
jail cell in the middle of winter. He was there mistreated for
almost a year despite 20 attempts by his lawyer to get him medical
treatment. Finally they took him to the prison hospital and 4 hours
later, he was dead. Heart attack, they claimed. No autopsy allowed.
And when this caused a bit of controversy, they have a nice video
tape of Putin saying basically, "nothing unusual here, people die
in prison all the time. Don't they die in American jails too..."
So they stole 3 companies worth maybe a billion, another $250 mil from
the Russian treasury and killed an innocent man.

So, you know how Putin acquired his $70bil in wealth. I keep
saying instead of pretending, being nice, it's time we had someone
like Reagan who would speak the truth and tell the world that Putin
is indeed evil. If we started to do that, undermine the SOB at home,
maybe it would start a second Russian revolution. Instead, the ****ant
is part of the G8? With an economy that's 1/16 of the USA? Good grief.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:13:34 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:02:44 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:





"Oren" wrote in message

.. .

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:24:45 -0000, "harryagain"

wrote:



Don't you know your own history?



Yes I do. Sons of Liberty beat the British Empire.



The USA was always as bad as the USSR.



Bull****



http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...MCNEWEML6619I2





That story does not support your claim. What happened in this case was

judicial misconduct and suppression of evidence by local officials in

one county, in one state.



Your claim comparing the USA to the USSR remains bull****.

For what goes on in Russia, 60 Mins ran a story about a month ago,
before their invasion of Crimea. It was about an American businessman
who started a venture fund in the 90s to invest in Russia. The idea was
to buy govt owned companies at a price where they could make a
reasonable profit as they existed. And then to make them efficient, get
rid of the waste, incompetence, corruption, etc and thereby make more
money for themselves, the employees, etc. If you had invested $1 when
it started, a decade later the fund was worth $35.

Problem was, they were too successful and got the wrong people ****ed
off. This guy came back to the USA for a trip and when he tried to
go back to Russia, at immigrations there they told him he had been
kicked out of the country and could not enter. The police raided 3
of his companies that were worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Using the documents from the police seizure, they then falsified
records as if the companies had been legally sold. To whom?
Essentially the Russian mafia. Whereupon the new "owners" applied
for a tax refund from the Russian govt. They got it, $250mil, the
largest ever in russia. And you know that didn't just involve some
low level Russian tax officials, it had to go to the top.

So, he hired the best tax attorney in Russia, a 35 year old with
a record of winning cases, honest, guy. He starts to pursue it
and next his offices and house are searched and he's arrested for
tax fraud. Normally, someone like that would be out in a couple
of days on bail. They denied him bail and put him in an unheated
jail cell in the middle of winter. He was there mistreated for
almost a year despite 20 attempts by his lawyer to get him medical
treatment. Finally they took him to the prison hospital and 4 hours
later, he was dead. Heart attack, they claimed. No autopsy allowed.
And when this caused a bit of controversy, they have a nice video
tape of Putin saying basically, "nothing unusual here, people die
in prison all the time. Don't they die in American jails too..."
So they stole 3 companies worth maybe a billion, another $250 mil from
the Russian treasury and killed an innocent man.

So, you know how Putin acquired his $70bil in wealth. I keep
saying instead of pretending, being nice, it's time we had someone
like Reagan who would speak the truth and tell the world that Putin
is indeed evil. If we started to do that, undermine the SOB at home,
maybe it would start a second Russian revolution. Instead, the ****ant
is part of the G8? With an economy that's 1/16 of the USA? Good grief.



Has anyone heard from (former) Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych? He
went to "safe keeping" in Russia and suddenly had a heart attack.

In fact, I'm not sure where Putin sent the Russian hockey team, yet

Maybe harry can enlighten us with a dash of brilliance.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:47:53 -0400, wrote:

Do you really want to go back 100-200 years and talk about abusing
the natives?

The Brits were no slouches when it came to wiping out local cultures
for their own profits.

Maybe harry can tell us about the British participation in slave
trading. The money they made from it. About how the British pressed
Americans into slavery aboard their Nave ships.

Nah. Not a chance he knows some of his own history.