On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:55:55 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/19/2014 11:08 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:55:52 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

It's a pretty good read. And as a couple of commenters on his
article noted, steel roofing doesn't have ice dam issues, since the
snow slides right off.

Not only that, the people and satellites above you can't read your mind
waves when you have a steel roof.

Wonder how long till NSA and DHS outlaw steel roofs?
They've already outlawed lead paint --------

On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:15:58 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

On 2/20/2014 5:53 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/19/2014 9:29 PM, Oren wrote:

Would this work?

http://media2.wtnh.com/photo/2011/01/31/Roof_rakes_near_imposs8eff3a79-142d-40c8-9f3a-654d4b2e6af50000_20110131222344_640_480.JPG

Might work on my trailer. But, my parents house
has a pitched roof, and the machine would slide
off.


One of my next-door neighbors actually had a roofing company drag up
snowblower onto her pitched roof and blow the snoff in order to
complete a roofing job. Damnedest thing I ever saw.
I have an electric snow blower we used to take the snow off the
cottage roof. Use it on the deck since the cottage is sold.

the hockey puck shaped salt things didn't
appear to do much.

The heater tape in the back did some thing,
there was snow missing where the tape went
zigzag, and might have been some channels
through the ice dam.

On the front, not much visible change. There
is one channel through the ice where I chipped
and propane torched. Rest of it looks much
the same.

I used the pole rig to put up some rock salt.
Rock salt on the slippery ice dam slides off
to the ground. Salt on the snow above the ice
dam sticks in place. Might melt through the
ice dam, or might melt and run under the ice
dam and come through the ceiling.

Not sure what to do, now. Might take a torch
or propane heater, and try to melt some of the
ice off. Might try and find a roof rake, so I
can remove the fresh snow before it remelts.

Might try and get Mom to let me put up some
heat tape on the front, also. Meantime, not
much to do but worry and wait.


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On 2/20/2014 1:05 PM, wrote:
That really sucked for her. o_O

TDD
Lucas should make vacuum cleaners. With
their record it would be their
only product that didn't suck - - - -


Not many Americans will get the subtle
humor, there.

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On 2/20/2014 12:27 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/20/2014 1:05 PM, wrote:
That really sucked for her. o_O

TDD
Lucas should make vacuum cleaners. With their record it would be
their only product that didn't suck - - - -


Not many Americans will get the subtle humor, there.

You mean the technology disease Lucasitis? ^_^

TDD

Todd writes:

On 02/20/2014 04:50 AM, BurfordTJustice wrote:
-- perhaps Jesus can fix that for you, if you ask real nice.

Hi Burford,

You put your response under the "--", which tells
our readers that it is part of your "signature"
block and it displays in very lite gray. Put
you response above the "--" and others will see
what you wrote.

Most people don't type those dashes by hand,
but if you check, the signature separator is
"-- ", not "--".

There must be a single trailing space or it won't work.

--
Dan Espen

On 2/20/2014 1:49 PM, Todd wrote:
I can see when the ice is getting thin,
and not bang as hard. Non issue.


Actually, the ice is transmitting the force of the blow
through to your roof. Your roof is taking a pounding.
You might be avoiding the claw hitting it, but the
"thud" still goes through. And, who doesn't get
careless when they are tired, cold, and swearing up a
storm? (Don't let your mom hear you. She still has
"that" bar of soap at the ready.)

The pounding is spread out, and not concentrated.

With the thick ice, been wondering if a sawzall
with coarse tooth blade might move ice. Likely
to spray me with ice particles. Get down about
an inch thick, get the rest with a torch.

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On 2/20/2014 4:18 PM, Todd wrote:

Hi Stormin,

Now you risk burning your roof! How about just tossing
a bucket of blistering hot water at spots to break the dam?

Course, if you burn your roof, you may actually find out
from your mom if your really were adopted or not.

-T


The affected area is covered in ice. And there is
plenty of snow to put on anything that lights up.

The torch doesn't have a very large flame, and it's
possible to keep the flame onto ice.

Throwing bucket of hot water would splash, run off,
and do nearly no change. I'd be better off to run a
garden hose off the laundry sink in the cellar, and
run a gentle but long lasting stream.

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Feb 20, 2014, 4:38 PM

Mom called. Says the guy who cleared the gutters
last time, she called him out. He cleared them
again. Again? The last time she was going to call
the guy, it was about 15 degrees out.

When I was there today, there were several inches
of ice. Asked how he managed that. She's not sure.
But he cleared them out again, "chopped it out some
how" and we're all set. I asked her to ask the guy
how he did that, I'm curious.

With any luck, I'll never know.

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On 2/20/2014 4:27 PM, Todd wrote:

Not to ask too stupid a question, but did you sweep the
rest of the snow off her roof and sweep the water build
up out of her dam? Ice hanging over the eves with no water
behind it shouldn't be an issue


I don't have a roof rake, but I may buy one some
day. There was only a little snow remaining up
there over the ice dams. We're expecting rain
tonight, and that rain might go under the ice
dams.

Of course, Mom said "the guy" chopped off the ice,
and cleared the gutters. Not sure how he did that.

I may take a roll by tonight or tomorrow, and have
a look see.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Mom's house has ice dams. That's been every
year, Dad used to be on a ladder every year.

Well, it's my turn. I was on a ladder, today.

Ice pick didn't do much. It does clear ice, but
throws chips that go right up my coat sleeves.

Claw hammer clears ice, but the chips hit my face.
propane torch melts ice, but it's slow.

Home Depot had some buckets of salt pellets (about
size of hockey puck) you throw up there to melt a
channel. I'm going to try those. Hope they work.
Going to tape a plastic container of some kind on
the end of telescoping pole, so I can put the pellets
where they are most needed.

I couldn't make myself read all of the posts so far in this thread.

Did you say somewhere that the ice dams were causing leaks? If not, maybe
the roof already has ice shield along the edges underneath the asphalt
shingles and that is preventing leaks as it should.

So, is it leaking? Is that why you are trying to get rid of the ice dams?

On 2/20/2014 4:47 PM, TomR wrote:
Did you say somewhere that the ice dams were causing leaks?

SM: Yes, we have had leaks through the indoor ceiling.
Most notably in the back room off the kitchen.

If not, maybe
the roof already has ice shield along the edges underneath the asphalt
shingles and that is preventing leaks as it should.

SM: Would be nice. I'm not sure.


So, is it leaking? Is that why you are trying to get rid of the ice dams?


SM: I've not asked Mom if it has leaked so far this
year, but she's very concerned about water coming
into the house and causing damage. Yes, that's why
we are trying to get rid of the ice dams.

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On 2/20/2014 4:52 PM, Todd wrote:

Just an idea, run the hose directly off your water heater.
You can drain the gunk out of it at the same time.
Suppose to do it once a year anyway.


That would drain cold from the bottom.

Mom called someone, and says the ice dams
have been chopped off, and the gutters
cleared. I've got to roll by some time,
see this for myself.

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Christopher A. Young
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On 2/20/2014 4:53 PM, Todd wrote:
When I was there today, there were several inches
of ice. Asked how he managed that. She's not sure.
But he cleared them out again, "chopped it out some
how" and we're all set. I asked her to ask the guy
how he did that, I'm curious.

With any luck, I'll never know.


No roast beef dinner!?!?!? Why, why, MOMS THESE DAYS!


Well, she did take me for pizza yesterday.
And I got to take some slices home.

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The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On 2/19/2014 10:07 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:50:37 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Used to know a guy with a "steam jenny". Puffed fuel oil fire and
belched smoke, but provided good stream of super hot water. That
would likely do the job, if the machine was kept warm between jobs.
The carpet steamer sounds like a good off season use of the
machine. I know my church has carpet steamer guys come in twice a
year. They get some dirt, but not as complete as the extractor
machine the church has.

OT, but good. My ex-girlfriend, who ran a business by herself and
is usually very competent, would vacuum her carpets every week or
so. Finally her new boyfriend pointed out that the belt that runs the
brush in her vacuum was broken (and probably had been for months or
years) and she was barely getting any of the dirt out. She thought
that was so funny.

That really sucked for her. o_O

TDD

That was below the belt.

--
Tekkie

Moe DeLoughan posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On 2/20/2014 5:55 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/19/2014 11:08 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:55:52 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

It's a pretty good read. And as a couple of commenters on his
article noted, steel roofing doesn't have ice dam issues, since the
snow slides right off.

Not only that, the people and satellites above you can't read your mind
waves when you have a steel roof.

Wonder how long till NSA and DHS outlaw steel roofs?


On a serious note, I gather the insurance industry thinks steel roofs
are pretty darned great. Much more resistant to wind and hail damage
than asphalt shingles, fire-resistant, longer lifespan. Anything that
reduces their likelihood of paying a claim is going to make them very
happy.

Steel roofing began showing up around here a year or so after I last
roofed my house, dammit. I'd have chosen it in a heartbeat. The next
time I roof will be the last time I roof, and I'll use steel. It'll
outlast me.

Anything that lasts until tomorrow will outlast me.

--
Tekkie

On 2/20/2014 2:55 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/20/2014 1:49 PM, Todd wrote:
I can see when the ice is getting thin, and not bang as hard. Non
issue.


Actually, the ice is transmitting the force of the blow through to
your roof. Your roof is taking a pounding. You might be avoiding
the claw hitting it, but the "thud" still goes through. And, who
doesn't get careless when they are tired, cold, and swearing up a
storm? (Don't let your mom hear you. She still has "that" bar of
soap at the ready.)

The pounding is spread out, and not concentrated.

With the thick ice, been wondering if a sawzall with coarse tooth
blade might move ice. Likely to spray me with ice particles. Get down
about an inch thick, get the rest with a torch.

I wonder if a hot wire cutter like that used for slicing Styrofoam could
be used to cut vertical slices which could help break up the ice like it
was glass with a grove scratched in it? ^_^

TDD

On 2/20/2014 9:08 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...

OT, but good. My ex-girlfriend, who ran a business by herself and
is usually very competent, would vacuum her carpets every week or
so. Finally her new boyfriend pointed out that the belt that runs the
brush in her vacuum was broken (and probably had been for months or
years) and she was barely getting any of the dirt out. She thought
that was so funny.

That really sucked for her. o_O

TDD

That was below the belt.

Lets not beat this one.


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On 2/20/2014 9:19 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I wonder if a hot wire cutter like that used for slicing Styrofoam could
be used to cut vertical slices which could help break up the ice like it
was glass with a grove scratched in it? ^_^

TDD

Dunno. might work, or might refreeze
behind the lines.

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Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/20/2014 4:52 PM, Todd wrote:

Just an idea, run the hose directly off your water heater.
You can drain the gunk out of it at the same time.
Suppose to do it once a year anyway.


That would drain cold from the bottom.

Mom called someone, and says the ice dams
have been chopped off, and the gutters
cleared. I've got to roll by some time,
see this for myself.


If the ice dams are gone, what's to see...empty gutters? Might as well wait
till spring. They"ll look the same and you won't be so cold.

Ice dam can be prevented with the regular cleaning of the roof but you must ensure the quality of roof coating applied on the roof. Only this way the damage will be minimum otherwise the damage will be maximum and you have to spend more money to recover the damages.

wrote:
Ice dam can be prevented with the regular cleaning of the roof but you
must ensure the quality of roof coating applied on the roof. Only this
way the damage will be minimum otherwise the damage will be maximum and
you have to spend more money to recover the damages.

Where is krw when we need him? Oh, well...I'll say it for him:

Idiot

Ice dam can be prevented with the regular cleaning of the roof but you must ensure the quality of roof coating applied on the roof. Only this way the damage will be minimum otherwise the damage will be maximum and you have to spend more money to recover the damages. For more information http://www.epdmcoatings.com/liquid-rubber.html

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Albert Mclaren
wrote:

Ice dam can be prevented with the regular cleaning of the roof but you must ensure the quality of roof coating applied on the roof. Only this way the damage will be minimum otherwise the damage will be maximum and you have to spend more money to recover the damages. For more information http://wWWWWWWWWWWWww.epdmcoatings.c...id-rubber.html

More advice from Pakistan. Oh my!

On 03/27/2014 08:38 AM, Albert Mclaren wrote:
Ice dam can be prevented with

insulation of the living space and proper ventilation of the roof

On 3/27/2014 4:32 PM, Jon wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:38 AM, Albert Mclaren wrote:
Ice dam can be prevented with

insulation of the living space and proper ventilation of the roof

I agree. I've mentioned the concept to Mom, and see
if she allows that.

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On 03/27/2014 06:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/27/2014 4:32 PM, Jon wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:38 AM, Albert Mclaren wrote:
Ice dam can be prevented with

insulation of the living space and proper ventilation of the roof

I agree. I've mentioned the concept to Mom, and see
if she allows that.


Tell her if she doesn't. the dam water will freeze along the dam eves and you'll have a bunch of dam ice and when the dam ice melts, the dam water will ruin her
dam ceilings and that would be a dam mess her son would have to fix.