I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.

The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.

I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.

The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.

As I see it I have two options:

1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall.. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.

2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).

One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?

Any help is appreciated!

On 02/10/2014 07:37 AM, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.

The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall.


snip


But if it has an outlet (or plate) it's ok.


I believe you are referring to a junction box with no access to
it...which is not code.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 8:37:45 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I've never seen a framed mirror where the small thickness of a blank
plate would matter. I have two such mirrors over blanked over outlets
here.





I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.


The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.


Even if it's through the studs, there should be evidence in the
outlet boxes. One must be the last one and have only one cable
coming in. It's likely the other two will have one cable
coming in, one going out. And if they are existing GFCI protected,
one of them must be the GFCI. So the wiring should be GFCI is
first, other outlet with two cables is in the middle, last one
has only one cable. You can tap on to any one of those. If
you tap onto the one that has a GFCI, you tap onto the load side.




As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.


You don't say where the existing GFCI is in the circuit. I assume
it's at one of the 3 existing outlets? Assuming
this plan results in you tying into the GFCI protected circuit,
ie downstream of the GFCI, then it will work and you just use
regular outlets for the new ones.




2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



Why can't you access where you need to tie in from the attic by
going down inside the wall to one of the existing outlets directly
without first going down to the crawlspace and then back up?





One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?


A properly installed box in a crawl space should not trip a
GFCI.





Any help is appreciated!

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker. Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

I appreciate any help!

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:13:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.







The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.







I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.







The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.







As I see it I have two options:







1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.







2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).







One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?







Any help is appreciated!



My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.



What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker.

20 amps is 2400 watts, so I think if they are both reasonable size ones
and on high at the same time, they would trip it. Check the actual ones
for wattage.

Also, for a bathroom, since you're getting rid of one outlet, be
aware that there must be an outlet near each sink, i believe it's
within 3ft. If you have 2 sinks, one outlet can serve both if it's
between them.


Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?


No, it's not stupid to have one outlet on it's own breaker.
In your example, if you had several outlets in a bathroom on one
breaker and you were running into concerns like you have over
hair dryer load, etc, nothing wrong with separating an outlet
by one sink onto it's own breaker.

regular 12/2 NM, ie Romex, is fine. If running along a joist, they
should be stapled to the sides. When running at an angle, I believe
for a crawlspace it needs to be either through holes or use running
boards.







I appreciate any help!

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

Is there a minimum distance an outlet can be from a bathtub?

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:13:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker. Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

I appreciate any help!
Separate cercuits to each bathroom GFCI would make sense. Only
problem might be getting 20 amp GFCI. Romex stapled to the sides of
the joist bay and drilled across the joists is the proper way to do
it. If you are worried about moisture use NMW instead of NWD cable -
designed for danp or weather exposed installation.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 2:20:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.







The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.







I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.







The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.







As I see it I have two options:







1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.







2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).







One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?







Any help is appreciated!



Is there a minimum distance an outlet can be from a bathtub?

It looks to me like code says you can't have it in the bathtub footprint
area extended up vertically. So, can't put it on a wall around the
bathtub, which is kind of obvious. But on the wall just past the
bathtub, or around the corner is OK. I'd still use some common
sense, like close but around a corner would be better than on a
wall 2" past the bathtub that you could easily reach. Has to be
GFCI too, of course.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

Is there a minimum distance an outlet can be from a bathtub?
Without a GFCI, yess. 6 feet IIRC. With GFCI I don't think so.

" wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 2:20:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:

....snip...


Is there a minimum distance an outlet can be from a bathtub?

It looks to me like code says you can't have it in the bathtub footprint
area extended up vertically. So, can't put it on a wall around the
bathtub, which is kind of obvious. But on the wall just past the
bathtub, or around the corner is OK. I'd still use some common
sense, like close but around a corner would be better than on a
wall 2" past the bathtub that you could easily reach. Has to be
GFCI too, of course.

Just to be clear, it would be better to say "Has to be GFCI _protected_"

On 2/10/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new

outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents

acess past it.

SM: SOmething called a "drill" they used to make.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one

of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going

at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker.

SM: Two 15 amp dryers, together tripping a 20 amp breaker?
I can imagine that.

Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it
be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker?

SM: No, I'd leave a couple outlets on the same breaker.
When the girls get tired of tripping the breaker, they
will take turn on one hair dryer. You don't want to be
paying for 30 amps of electric heat, every day of the
year as they figure they can run em all at the same time.


If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use
regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2?

SM: I thought conduit used THNN? Stranded single conductor
wire. In any case, Romex is good unless you have critters
who chew on wires.

Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists

SM: Should be fine.

or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

Sm: More work.


I appreciate any help!

SM: Quite all right.

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:37:45 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.

The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.

I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.

The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.

As I see it I have two options:

1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.

2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).

One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?

Any help is appreciated!

Newer codes requires that each bathroom has a 20A GFCI outlet. Since
you don't normally have but one (blow dryer) in use at a time, you
could have many bathrooms on the same circuit without any problem.
If you do have more than one person using a blow dryer at a time, the
breaker trips and you have to reset it. It is really not a hazard,
but it could be a nuisance. It just depends on how much of a nuisance
you consider it to whether you want to spend more money on having more
than one circuit.

If you delete the box behind the mirror (and you should if you can't
make the box accessible), all you need to do is make sure the
downstream circuit is still GFCI protected and it meets code.

I would not consider under the house moisture to be a problem for a
GFCI. A receptacle you add outside might be different.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:30:41 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:13:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker. Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

I appreciate any help!
Separate cercuits to each bathroom GFCI would make sense. Only
problem might be getting 20 amp GFCI. Romex stapled to the sides of
the joist bay and drilled across the joists is the proper way to do
it. If you are worried about moisture use NMW instead of NWD cable -
designed for danp or weather exposed installation.

I would think all GFCIs would be 20A since they are required to be on
20A circuits for kitchen and bath.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:18:13 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:30:41 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:13:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker. Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

I appreciate any help!
Separate cercuits to each bathroom GFCI would make sense. Only
problem might be getting 20 amp GFCI. Romex stapled to the sides of
the joist bay and drilled across the joists is the proper way to do
it. If you are worried about moisture use NMW instead of NWD cable -
designed for danp or weather exposed installation.

I would think all GFCIs would be 20A since they are required to be on
20A circuits for kitchen and bath.

Correction
I would think all GFCIs "should" be 20A, but they are not.

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:48:58 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/10/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:

My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new

outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents

acess past it.

SM: SOmething called a "drill" they used to make.

What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one

of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going

at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker.

SM: Two 15 amp dryers, together tripping a 20 amp breaker?
I can imagine that.

Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it
be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker?

SM: No, I'd leave a couple outlets on the same breaker.
When the girls get tired of tripping the breaker, they
will take turn on one hair dryer. You don't want to be
paying for 30 amps of electric heat, every day of the
year as they figure they can run em all at the same time.


If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use
regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2?

SM: I thought conduit used THNN? Stranded single conductor
wire. In any case, Romex is good unless you have critters
who chew on wires.

Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists

SM: Should be fine.

or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?

Sm: More work.


I appreciate any help!

SM: Quite all right.
Stapled on the bottom and across the joists is not code compliant.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

Is it code compliant to run romex in conduit? Is it proper to do? Just trying to make the installation as protected as possible. Nothing should happen but I have a lot of moisture in the crawlspace. More than should be. My duct work is dripping wet in the summer. I need to figure out something on that.

Also, a lot of large city's require nothing but metal conduit and don't even allow romex. Is EMT with individual wires inside the ultimate installation in terms od longevity and protection?

Just wondering. I tend to overthink/overbuild stuff when I do it.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:23:48 PM UTC-5, Metspitzer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:18:13 -0500, Metspitzer

wrote:



On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:30:41 -0500, wrote:



On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:13:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.







The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.







I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.







The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.







As I see it I have two options:







1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.







2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).







One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?







Any help is appreciated!



My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents acess past it.



What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker. Especially since they are using curling irons too.. Would it be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker? If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2? Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?



I appreciate any help!

Separate cercuits to each bathroom GFCI would make sense. Only

problem might be getting 20 amp GFCI. Romex stapled to the sides of

the joist bay and drilled across the joists is the proper way to do

it. If you are worried about moisture use NMW instead of NWD cable -

designed for danp or weather exposed installation.



I would think all GFCIs would be 20A since they are required to be on

20A circuits for kitchen and bath.



Correction

I would think all GFCIs "should" be 20A, but they are not.

Suppose you had an old outdoor outlet on a 15A circuit
and you wanted to replace it with a GFCI to make it safer?
If they only came in 20A, then what?

Also, you can put a 15A GFCI on a 20 amp circuit, just like
you can put 15A outlets on a 20 amp circuit. Both are rated
for 20A feed-through.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 8:48:58 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/10/2014 12:13 PM, wrote:



My upstairs is a finished bonus room. Above where my new



outlet will go is a finished floor with a joist that prevents



acess past it.



SM: SOmething called a "drill" they used to make.



What I am thinking now is just running a new circuit to one



of the new outlets. Someone told me with two hair dryers going



at the same time might trip the 20 amp breaker.



SM: Two 15 amp dryers, together tripping a 20 amp breaker?

I can imagine that.



Especially since they are using curling irons too. Would it

be stupid to have one outlet on its own breaker?



SM: No, I'd leave a couple outlets on the same breaker.

When the girls get tired of tripping the breaker, they

will take turn on one hair dryer. You don't want to be

paying for 30 amps of electric heat, every day of the

year as they figure they can run em all at the same time.



So, if they run them sequentially for 5 mins each, instead
of for 5 mins at the same time they will save energy?







If you were to run wire in your crawl space, would you use

regular 12/2 or conduit with 12/2?



SM: I thought conduit used THNN? Stranded single conductor

wire. In any case, Romex is good unless you have critters

who chew on wires.



Should the wire be stapled to the bottom of the floor joists



SM: Should be fine.


Not from my understanding of the code. IDK why you'd want to
staple them there anyway, on the sides of the joists is easier
if you're going along the joist.
Most logical reason to staple cable on the bottom of the joists
would be to run them at angles to the joist, which is not
allowed. You need a running board or drill holes in the joists.






or inside the joist bay with holes drilled across joists?



Sm: More work.


Yes, it's more work, but it's a code violation to go across
joists by just stapling to the bottom.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:10:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:

I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.







The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.







I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.







The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.







As I see it I have two options:







1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.







2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).







One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?







Any help is appreciated!



Is it code compliant to run romex in conduit? Is it proper to do? Just trying to make the installation as protected as possible. Nothing should happen but I have a lot of moisture in the crawlspace. More than should be. My duct work is dripping wet in the summer. I need to figure out something on that.



Yes and no. AFAIK, you can run romex in conduit as long as it's
a dry location. Romex however is not rated for wet, whether in a conduit
or not. However, I doubt the joist area of your crawlspace qualifies
as a wet location. If it does, you have bigger problems. The moisture
you're seeing on ducts in the summer I presume is condensation with
the AC running? Are the ducts insulated? Wire going anywhere near
them?

The other alternative I guess would be to run UF cable. But I
don't see the need and it would probably stand out and attract attention
during any inspections.






Also, a lot of large city's require nothing but metal conduit and don't even allow romex. Is EMT with individual wires inside the ultimate installation in terms od longevity and protection?


Depends. Conduit offers great protection from physical damage.
If you're running wire down an exposed garage wall for example.
But romex is used in millions of homes and when used correctly
is perfectly safe. Is there any existing wire in the crawlspace now?
It's what you'd expect to find there.




Just wondering. I tend to overthink/overbuild stuff when I do it.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:27:06 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:10:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:



I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.















The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.















I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.















The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.















As I see it I have two options:















1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.















2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).















One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?















Any help is appreciated!







Is it code compliant to run romex in conduit? Is it proper to do? Just trying to make the installation as protected as possible. Nothing should happen but I have a lot of moisture in the crawlspace. More than should be. My duct work is dripping wet in the summer. I need to figure out something on that.







Yes and no. AFAIK, you can run romex in conduit as long as it's

a dry location. Romex however is not rated for wet, whether in a conduit

or not. However, I doubt the joist area of your crawlspace qualifies

as a wet location. If it does, you have bigger problems. The moisture

you're seeing on ducts in the summer I presume is condensation with

the AC running? Are the ducts insulated? Wire going anywhere near

them?



The other alternative I guess would be to run UF cable. But I

don't see the need and it would probably stand out and attract attention

during any inspections.













Also, a lot of large city's require nothing but metal conduit and don't even allow romex. Is EMT with individual wires inside the ultimate installation in terms od longevity and protection?





Depends. Conduit offers great protection from physical damage.

If you're running wire down an exposed garage wall for example.

But romex is used in millions of homes and when used correctly

is perfectly safe. Is there any existing wire in the crawlspace now?

It's what you'd expect to find there.









Just wondering. I tend to overthink/overbuild stuff when I do it.

The duct is insulated and the moisture is when the ac is running. Suprissingly, all my electrical connections come from the top. There are very few, if any wires in the crawl space.

Sorry I am overly anal sometimes when it comes to doing something. I just want to do a good job that will last and not cause a danger or problem for me or my family. I thought maybe conduit would add protection. I don't think the line would cross duct work but it might. Thanks,

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 05:10:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:37:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!

Is it code compliant to run romex in conduit? Is it proper to do? Just trying to make the installation as protected as possible. Nothing should happen but I have a lot of moisture in the crawlspace. More than should be. My duct work is dripping wet in the summer. I need to figure out something on that.

Also, a lot of large city's require nothing but metal conduit and don't even allow romex. Is EMT with individual wires inside the ultimate installation in terms od longevity and protection?

Just wondering. I tend to overthink/overbuild stuff when I do it.
No, it is not. Just a good way to keep union electricians employed.
Romex is far simpler, and every bit as good as far as long like unless
you have a rat problem.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:09:58 PM UTC-5, Metspitzer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:37:45 -0800 (PST), wrote:



I am trying to add a few GFI outlets to my wife's bathroom. I also have to move one of the outlets because of a larger mirror that I will be installing to make wife and daughter happy.



The problem is, I know it is against code to put a junction box inside the wall. And I think leaving it outside will cause my framed mirror to not sit flat.



I spent all weekend trying to track down wires. I figured out the entire breaker is dedicated to the bathroom GFI's only. I have only 3 outlets currently on this entire 20 amp circuit.



The power goes to the outlet I want to move from above in the attic. However, from this outlet it goes to two other bathrooms and I cant find the wires that branch the outlets together. I am guessing it is through the studs when they built the house and as such, they may be inaccessible or if they do go into the attic are covered under the floor of my bonus room to which I have no access because the bonus room is finished.



As I see it I have two options:



1. somehow leave the current outlet and make it into a junction box and somehow recess a new box so that the access cover would be flush with the wall. Then run a wire from this box into the crawl space then to the two new outlets in the bathroom.



2. Maybe more work but a more proper solution would be to install a junction box in the attic where the current feed is to the existing outlet, run a wire from this junction box down the entire length of the wall into the crawl space. Install another junction box in the crawl space and make the connection to the new outlets here. I would also have to run new wires from the two other outlets in the two other bathrooms into the crawl space to tie into the junction box. (Doing it this way requires new wiring on the entire circuit but eliminates an accessible junction box being required in the wall).



One thing I wondered. This is a GFI circuit. The breaker is not GFI but the outlets are. If I have connections in the crawl space where sometimes there is a little moisture after a lot of rain, will I have trouble with the GFI tripping? My idea would be to use one of those outside metal moisture proof boxes but just run regular 12/2 wire to this junction. Would using conduit to this junction be a better idea?



Any help is appreciated!



Newer codes requires that each bathroom has a 20A GFCI outlet.

I don't believe that is true. What is required is that the *circuit*
be rated at 20 amps and the outlets be GFCI protected.
The outlets can be either 15A or 20A.





Since

you don't normally have but one (blow dryer) in use at a time, you

could have many bathrooms on the same circuit without any problem.

If you do have more than one person using a blow dryer at a time, the

breaker trips and you have to reset it. It is really not a hazard,

but it could be a nuisance. It just depends on how much of a nuisance

you consider it to whether you want to spend more money on having more

than one circuit.


There is another aspect to it. I believe if you have a 20 amp
circuit supplying one bathroom, then you can have the lights, fan,
etc in that bathroom on the same circuit. If you supply more than
one bathroom with the same 20 amp circuit, then only the outlets
can be on it.

writes:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 05:10:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:


Is it code compliant to run romex in conduit? Is it proper to do? Just trying to make the installation as protected as possible. Nothing should happen but I have a lot of moisture in the crawlspace. More than should be. My duct work is dripping wet in the summer. I need to figure out something on that.

Also, a lot of large city's require nothing but metal conduit and don't even allow romex. Is EMT with individual wires inside the ultimate installation in terms od longevity and protection?

Just wondering. I tend to overthink/overbuild stuff when I do it.
No, it is not. Just a good way to keep union electricians employed.
Romex is far simpler, and every bit as good as far as long like unless
you have a rat problem.

Using pipe does make it easier to rewire or augment the circuit later,
however. FWIW.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 05:52:30 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:
Correction

I would think all GFCIs "should" be 20A, but they are not.

Suppose you had an old outdoor outlet on a 15A circuit
and you wanted to replace it with a GFCI to make it safer?
If they only came in 20A, then what?

A 15A GFCI offers no more over current protection than a 20A.
A 15A GFCI is inferior to a 20A. That's why they cost less.

Also, you can put a 15A GFCI on a 20 amp circuit, just like
you can put 15A outlets on a 20 amp circuit. Both are rated
for 20A feed-through.

If possible, it is good to run light fixtures in any room on a different circuit than wall outlets, so that if you trip the wall outlet breaker, you will not kill the lights in that room. Thiis is especially good to note when the bathroom is an interior room with no outside windows.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:43:48 PM UTC-5, Metspitzer wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 05:52:30 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:

Correction



I would think all GFCIs "should" be 20A, but they are not.



Suppose you had an old outdoor outlet on a 15A circuit

and you wanted to replace it with a GFCI to make it safer?

If they only came in 20A, then what?



A 15A GFCI offers no more over current protection than a 20A.


So what? No one said they did. But you can put a 15A GFCI on a
15A circuit. You can't put a 20A GFCI on a 15A circuit.


A 15A GFCI is inferior to a 20A. That's why they cost less.



Define inferior. Again, if I have an outdoor receptacle in
an older home that is not GFCI protected and it's on a 15 amp
circuit, if I want to make it GFCI, what's wrong with using
a 15A one? Or if I have an old home with receptacles with no ground
on 15 amp circuits. What's wrong with using a 15A GFCI there?




Also, you can put a 15A GFCI on a 20 amp circuit, just like

you can put 15A outlets on a 20 amp circuit. Both are rated

for 20A feed-through.