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I have no water
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix
upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg |
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:02:03 +0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote: About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg Roger. Code 8. |
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On 2/7/2014 5:02 PM, gregz wrote:
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg That sounds like totally no fun. NYS is doing the deep freeze again, and we should be down to about 5F tonight. I'm planning to leave the hot dripping at my kitchen sink. But, that does not sound like an option for you, if your line is frozen. Around here, I think water dept uses blue paint, yellow for natural gas lines. I hope you don't have a burst line, and that things work out for you when it warms up. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/7/2014 5:02 PM, gregz wrote: About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg That sounds like totally no fun. NYS is doing the deep freeze again, and we should be down to about 5F tonight. I'm planning to leave the hot dripping at my kitchen sink. But, that does not sound like an option for you, if your line is frozen. Around here, I think water dept uses blue paint, yellow for natural gas lines. I hope you don't have a burst line, and that things work out for you when it warms up. Be a long wait for warmth. Im mentally unstable. I'm tired of cleaning snow and ice off car, cleaning driveway, huddled in living room with space heater. I got cabin fever. Wish I was in a cabin so I could play with fire. Greg |
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On 2/7/2014 10:15 PM, gregz wrote:
Be a long wait for warmth. Im mentally unstable. I'm tired of cleaning snow and ice off car, cleaning driveway, huddled in living room with space heater. I got cabin fever. Wish I was in a cabin so I could play with fire. Greg Yes, I can understand that. Time to saw a hole in the roof and blow the dust off your old surplus rifle? You know, the one you brought home from Cambodia in your duffel bag? -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:02:03 PM UTC-5, Gz wrote:
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg Most of the time the shutoff is at the meter. Do you have a meter? I think if you can push a snake or wire through then there is equipment that can trace it. |
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jamesgang wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:02:03 PM UTC-5, Gz wrote: About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg Most of the time the shutoff is at the meter. Do you have a meter? I think if you can push a snake or wire through then there is equipment that can trace it. Not sure how run is installed. I'm guessing everything is ok on my end. I was thinking of pushing camera through, but I would have to take off inside shutoff valve inside next to meter. I could not locate outside shutoff valve today. Going to use metal detector tomorrow. Greg |
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On 2/8/2014 10:25 PM, gregz wrote:
Not sure how run is installed. I'm guessing everything is ok on my end. I was thinking of pushing camera through, but I would have to take off inside shutoff valve inside next to meter. I could not locate outside shutoff valve today. Going to use metal detector tomorrow. Greg The water company's main valve is not at the meter? Usually they are in the same underground enclosure, but I have seen all sorts of stupid things... |
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"Steve F." wrote:
On 2/8/2014 10:25 PM, gregz wrote: Not sure how run is installed. I'm guessing everything is ok on my end. I was thinking of pushing camera through, but I would have to take off inside shutoff valve inside next to meter. I could not locate outside shutoff valve today. Going to use metal detector tomorrow. Greg The water company's main valve is not at the meter? Usually they are in the same underground enclosure, but I have seen all sorts of stupid things... Not at my house. There's a shutoff just before the meter, both of which are in my basement. There's also a "main shutoff" out in the front yard. Just the other day, a co-worker was describing a problem he had with the shutoff near the meter in his basement. He called the town's water authority and they closed the "main shutoff" in his yard so he could repair the shut off in his basement. My dad's house, and my sister's house, which are in a different state than me, are both setup the same way. I don't think any of those setups are "stupid". |
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On 2/8/2014 11:40 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I don't think any of those setups are "stupid". That's because you are a disagreable sort. |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
"Steve F." wrote: On 2/8/2014 10:25 PM, gregz wrote: Not sure how run is installed. I'm guessing everything is ok on my end. I was thinking of pushing camera through, but I would have to take off inside shutoff valve inside next to meter. I could not locate outside shutoff valve today. Going to use metal detector tomorrow. Greg The water company's main valve is not at the meter? Usually they are in the same underground enclosure, but I have seen all sorts of stupid things... Not at my house. There's a shutoff just before the meter, both of which are in my basement. There's also a "main shutoff" out in the front yard. Just the other day, a co-worker was describing a problem he had with the shutoff near the meter in his basement. He called the town's water authority and they closed the "main shutoff" in his yard so he could repair the shut off in his basement. My dad's house, and my sister's house, which are in a different state than me, are both setup the same way. I don't think any of those setups are "stupid". The gas hookup is similar here. The meter has it's own shutoff, and is now always outside. New installations also have the main shutoff inline with meter, so it's easier to find. On my space, the main shutoff are about 25 feet away. The problem house has shutoffs, not even 15 feet from house. Greg |
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On 2/9/2014 12:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
There's a shutoff just before the meter, both of which are in my basement. There's also a "main shutoff" out in the front yard. Just the other day, a co-worker was describing a problem he had with the shutoff near the meter in his basement. He called the town's water authority and they closed the "main shutoff" in his yard so he could repair the shut off in his basement. My dad's house, and my sister's house, which are in a different state than me, are both setup the same way. I don't think any of those setups are "stupid". At my parents house, valve on either side of the meter in the cellar. Out near the street is the curb valve. Much the same setup, a friend of mine has or had a house across the city from my parents. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"Steve F." wrote:
On 2/8/2014 10:25 PM, gregz wrote: Not sure how run is installed. I'm guessing everything is ok on my end. I was thinking of pushing camera through, but I would have to take off inside shutoff valve inside next to meter. I could not locate outside shutoff valve today. Going to use metal detector tomorrow. Greg The water company's main valve is not at the meter? Usually they are in the same underground enclosure, but I have seen all sorts of stupid things... Here, water meters were always inside. They still have some walk up, outside inductive read points. My current house was converted to radio transmission. Truck just goes down the street. They were trying that with some electric meters, but I think there were problems. A small outside water leak could suck up water companies water without payment. That would be stupid. Greg |
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"jamesgang" wrote in message ... On Friday, February 7, 2014 5:02:03 PM UTC-5, Gz wrote: About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg Most of the time the shutoff is at the meter. Do you have a meter? I think if you can push a snake or wire through then there is equipment that can trace it. Mine wasn't. It was under the house. The contractor I had who replaced the broken pipe to the mainline after the repair two years ago didn't hold, put a new one in for me near the front door. He said there was no way I would have ever found it. And there is no way I am going under that house! |
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gregz,
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. A week ago? Have you been paying your bill? What does the water company say about this? Dave M. |
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"David L. Martel" wrote:
gregz, About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. A week ago? Have you been paying your bill? What does the water company say about this? Dave M. I have not contacted company yet. Trying to troubleshoot my end. Had they shut It off, I would have seen digging through ice and gravel. Greg |
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On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28:33 PM UTC-5, Gz wrote:
"David L. Martel" wrote: gregz, About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. A week ago? Have you been paying your bill? What does the water company say about this? Dave M. I have not contacted company yet. Trying to troubleshoot my end. Had they shut It off, I would have seen digging through ice and gravel. Greg I'm all for troubleshooting a reasonable amount before calling a utility company, but the water has been off for a week and it sounds like you've done a lot more than most people would do before calling the water company. They have gear and lots of experience in this kind of thing. Plus you're apparently saying this coincided with a new cut/patch in the asphalt with a blue mark across the street. |
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On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28:33 PM UTC-5, Gz wrote: "David L. Martel" wrote: gregz, About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. A week ago? Have you been paying your bill? What does the water company say about this? Dave M. I have not contacted company yet. Trying to troubleshoot my end. Had they shut It off, I would have seen digging through ice and gravel. Greg I'm all for troubleshooting a reasonable amount before calling a utility company, but the water has been off for a week and it sounds like you've done a lot more than most people would do before calling the water company. They have gear and lots of experience in this kind of thing. Plus you're apparently saying this coincided with a new cut/patch in the asphalt with a blue mark across the street. The patch is visible. I have no idea when that was done, or why. Th house was also vacant for two years. The blue and yellow marks were first done when th gas line was replaced. The second time when I had the garage shed torn down. Today we found the gas and water points with metal detector. About 3 gallons of warm sal****er, and a lot of picking around the frozen gravel. The points were flush until contractor tore garage down and added gravel. Greg |
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stuff snipped I'm all for troubleshooting a reasonable amount before calling a utility company, but the water has been off for a week and it sounds like you've done a lot more than most people would do before calling the water company. They have gear and lots of experience in this kind of thing. Plus you're apparently saying this coincided with a new cut/patch in the asphalt with a blue mark across the street. We agree again. When my faucets produced nothing but whistling air last week at 1AM, I checked the shut off valve (no sound difference between open and closed) and then opened the outside hose bib slightly to see if I could hear something. No sound. Then I called the water company at 1:30AM and after talking to the billing answering system for a while, rechecked the number and called the emergency service number and the guy who answered said there was a water main break on my street and they were already on it. I think that's were GregZ should be at right now - calling the water people. FWIW, it was fixed by 6AM and almost none of my neighbors knew it had been off - except for the requisite "spitting up" that occurs when water service is restored. Apparently the break drained all the water in all the connected house lines. On a positive note, it encouraged me to set up my old darkroom 5 gal tanks to store some emergency water. When I first moved in and the plumbing needed constant repair/replacing I had them set up on a stand over the toilet fill tank to provide at least four flushes with the water turned off. One good thing about low-volume toilets is that if you have to flush them with stored water, a 100 oz empty laundry detergent bottle provides the necessary volume and flow rate (with the pour spout removed) to get a good flush. -- Bobby G. |
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"Robert Green" wrote:
wrote in message news:eee996d2-057a-4929-8926- stuff snipped I'm all for troubleshooting a reasonable amount before calling a utility company, but the water has been off for a week and it sounds like you've done a lot more than most people would do before calling the water company. They have gear and lots of experience in this kind of thing. Plus you're apparently saying this coincided with a new cut/patch in the asphalt with a blue mark across the street. We agree again. When my faucets produced nothing but whistling air last week at 1AM, I checked the shut off valve (no sound difference between open and closed) and then opened the outside hose bib slightly to see if I could hear something. No sound. Then I called the water company at 1:30AM and after talking to the billing answering system for a while, rechecked the number and called the emergency service number and the guy who answered said there was a water main break on my street and they were already on it. I think that's were GregZ should be at right now - calling the water people. FWIW, it was fixed by 6AM and almost none of my neighbors knew it had been off - except for the requisite "spitting up" that occurs when water service is restored. Apparently the break drained all the water in all the connected house lines. On a positive note, it encouraged me to set up my old darkroom 5 gal tanks to store some emergency water. When I first moved in and the plumbing needed constant repair/replacing I had them set up on a stand over the toilet fill tank to provide at least four flushes with the water turned off. One good thing about low-volume toilets is that if you have to flush them with stored water, a 100 oz empty laundry detergent bottle provides the necessary volume and flow rate (with the pour spout removed) to get a good flush. -- Bobby G. Water company came. The outside valve is not frozen shut. I guess they are going to TEAR up the street. Circles and arrows drawn. I can't believe it's going to be digging time in this weather. 5 degrees tonight. The street is a fairly low point in my terrain. There is a stream, wash, 15 feet lower, about 50 feet away. It's not the ideal layout. Greg |
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On 2/7/2014 4:02 PM, gregz wrote:
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Sounds to me like it froze the supply...or, I once't had a house where the contractor buried the pressure reducing valve inline about 5-ft from the meter and it failed shut. That was a real joy as he couldn't remember having done so so didn't even know which end of the feedline it was located but "sorta' thought" they'd put one in, somewhere... That was in spring a day after brought home the new baby in a period of nearly a week of solid rain. Great fun to dig in soaked red E TN clay--not. At least it was 40F+, not -10F. -- |
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gregz wrote:
About a week ago my water stopped coming into house. This is another fix upper which I shut the water off when I leave. This was at the end the extreme Cold spell average zero, two weeks ago. been looking for water each day inside. There is no dripping out of inside shutoff ball valve. I listened to pipe, no sounds. No visible outside water accumulation. I'm trying t find the outside shutoff, since some gravel was added, and now iced up. Today I pushed plastic tubing thru ball and feed pipe. I think it went all the way to outside shutoff. Next week calling water company after I locate shutoff. Mystified. In see a cutout of laid asphalt across street. Blue arrow on top. The gas and water lines were marked by first call in the fall. I had to get new gas lined installed about 15 foot or less. Greg There won't be water running inside while the pipes are still frozen. The ice in the pipe is sealing the crack, if there is one. When the outside temps start rising above freezing, The ice in the pipe will melt and unseal the crack. That's when the water will pour into the house. Years ago, there was a similar situation when there was a long spell of below freezing weather (I don't think it was as long as the current spell) pipes in numerous houses belonging to 'snowbirds' (people who spend the winters in Florida) froze because no one was home to see that there was no water running which would indicate a frozen pipe. When the warmer weather replaced the freezing weather, the ice in the pipes melted and the water flowed out of the pipes. Neighbors noticed water running out of the houses from under the garage doors and burst sillcocks. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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On 2/9/2014 10:32 AM, willshak wrote:
The ice in the pipe is sealing the crack, if there is one. When the outside temps start rising above freezing, The ice in the pipe will melt and unseal the crack. That's when the water will pour into the house. pipes in numerous houses belonging to 'snowbirds' (people who spend the winters in Florida) froze because no one was home to see that there was no water running which would indicate a frozen pipe. When the warmer weather replaced the freezing weather, the ice in the pipes melted and the water flowed out of the pipes. Neighbors noticed water running out of the houses from under the garage doors and burst sillcocks. Sounds expensive, to me. I help take care of a couple trailers, for the church. Have to blow out the lines, and then pump pink stuff through, to chase any traces of water. Drain the small water heater. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"willshak" wrote in message news:ld872c$n21$1@dont-
stuff snipped house. Years ago, there was a similar situation when there was a long spell of below freezing weather (I don't think it was as long as the current spell) pipes in numerous houses belonging to 'snowbirds' (people who spend the winters in Florida) froze because no one was home to see that there was no water running which would indicate a frozen pipe. I remember that. If you own a second home, it really pays to have some kind of alarm/monitoring system for such events. These days with smartphones you can get all sorts of remote monitoring setups, from water/smoke/fire/intrusion detection to video monitoring. If I had a second home I would make sure I could remotely answer the door/video cam. I've learned through bad experience that burglars often ring the bell to make sure no one's home before they break in. If I were young enough to start a new business, I'd been selling "remote video doorbell/intercom" packages to homeowners with smartphones. I don't think a burglar would know if he was talking to someone actually inside the house or 1,000 miles away and I doubt they would break into a house they thought was occupied. I'll bet you wouldn't even need a high speed connection, just a dial up line. -- Bobby G. |
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"Robert Green" wrote:
"willshak" wrote in message news:ld872c$n21$1@dont- stuff snipped house. Years ago, there was a similar situation when there was a long spell of below freezing weather (I don't think it was as long as the current spell) pipes in numerous houses belonging to 'snowbirds' (people who spend the winters in Florida) froze because no one was home to see that there was no water running which would indicate a frozen pipe. I remember that. If you own a second home, it really pays to have some kind of alarm/monitoring system for such events. These days with smartphones you can get all sorts of remote monitoring setups, from water/smoke/fire/intrusion detection to video monitoring. If I had a second home I would make sure I could remotely answer the door/video cam. I've learned through bad experience that burglars often ring the bell to make sure no one's home before they break in. If I were young enough to start a new business, I'd been selling "remote video doorbell/intercom" packages to homeowners with smartphones. I don't think a burglar would know if he was talking to someone actually inside the house or 1,000 miles away and I doubt they would break into a house they thought was occupied. I'll bet you wouldn't even need a high speed connection, just a dial up line. -- Bobby G. I had the furnace fail 3 months ago. Around 40 degrees inside. I should have a sister living there soon. Greg |
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On 2/10/2014 11:12 PM, gregz wrote:
I had the furnace fail 3 months ago. Around 40 degrees inside. I should have a sister living there soon. Greg Not many sisters will live in a 40 degree house. You have a real winner. I hope you leave her a box of chocolates. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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