Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

On 2/2/2014 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.



Wait... just wait!

Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old
and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled",
not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are in, not
morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

Well , I'm only 62 - in 2 weeks . But the only meds I take are over the
counter for back pain , and I don't take those every day . Actually , since
I made the decision to heat with wood I've dropped about 10-15 pounds and
toned everything up . I'm almost back down to where I was for 30+ years
before I quit smoking cigs , at a svelte 135 lbs . Swinging a sledge at a
wedge is good exercise , and swinging a splitting maul could be considered
aerobic !
--
Snag

Perfect health.

On 02/02/2014 07:17 AM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
Perfect health.




Yep , me too.

Other than being over 60 and having had both of my knees replaced, I'm
in perfect health. The last time I had anything worse than a cold was 1955.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:00:31 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 02/02/2014 07:17 AM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
Perfect health.

Yep , me too.

Other than being over 60 and having had both of my knees replaced, I'm
in perfect health. The last time I had anything worse than a cold was 1955.

I caught that one too. I remember it well. Boss sent me home
early from the coal-mines. Said I was spoiling the merchandize with my
sneezes. Who wants snotty coal ?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 02/02/2014 08:54 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:00:31 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/02/2014 07:17 AM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
Perfect health.

Yep , me too.

Other than being over 60 and having had both of my knees replaced, I'm
in perfect health. The last time I had anything worse than a cold was 1955.

I caught that one too. I remember it well. Boss sent me home
early from the coal-mines. Said I was spoiling the merchandize with my
sneezes. Who wants snotty coal ?
[]'s




Well in my case it was bacterial meningitis and they loaded me up with
penicillin and I was fine.

The doctor had been very busy and told my dad he could not make it until
afternoon...but on a hunch came early.

He told my dad that by afternoon it would have been too late.

Sheesh, I did not see what the big deal was. I woke up paralyzed but was
not too worried about it.

On 2/2/2014 7:17 AM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
Perfect health.

Except for his/her/its mental health. Poor killer Loon. ^_^

TDD

You still collecting welfare hypocrite? We aready know you bailed out of paying hospital bills and hiding from bill collectors ..how can you explain Internet service when you live month to month on welfare?

On 2/2/2014 6:02 PM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock of Killer Loon wrote:
You still collecting welfare hypocrite? We aready know you bailed
out of paying hospital bills and hiding from bill collectors ..how
can you explain Internet service when you live month to month on
welfare?

Oh Killer Loon, you poor demented thing. You forgot that I've paid into
the system longer than you've been alive. Are you Asian now? "We aready
know you...." from your post is so funny. Anyway who is "We" and you've
never defined this "TeaBillie on welfare" thing you call yourself. I'm
sure everyone would like to know about your fabulous job that allows you
to live in luxury. I barter for a lot of things, help people out and
receive help in return which is something a putrid P.L.L.C.F. like you
will never understand. I keep an eye on my roommates home, office,
handle a lot of paperwork for him and keep the computers up and in good
repair. I get to use the Internet service in return. I don't get paid
but I share the bills. I'm no longer able to climb and crawl like I used
to but I've a technical skill set which far exceeds any you may have
that allows me to do things that don't require a lot of physical
activity. I've been disable longer than you've been alive Killer Loon
but I kept working and paying into the system until I no longer could.
Killer Loon, you're young, in good health and believe you're invincible
but you're not. I guessing you're in your early 20's and one day when
you grow up, assuming the dope you smoke and the alcohol you drink
doesn't kill you, your attitude and political beliefs will change if
you're a normal human being. I really wonder if you'll last another 4 or
5 decades. I know it's hard for a human/livestock hybrid such as
yourself to grok many concepts but keep trying and you may one day get
something better than the minimum wage food service job you now have. ^_^

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 2/2/2014 6:02 PM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock of Killer Loon wrote:

will never understand. I keep an eye on my roommates home, office,
handle a lot of paperwork for him and keep the computers up and in good
Hi,
Roommates home? Are you resident in an institution?

On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 05:17:11 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite
TeaBillie on welfare" wrote:

Perfect health.

At 12, you should be.

On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I presume you are not taking mental health into consideration
? If you were, you would have to tick yourself off the list.
IMHO
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Shadow wrote in
:

On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old
and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not
cripped, not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly
obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I presume you are not taking mental health into consideration
? If you were, you would have to tick yourself off the list.
IMHO
[]'s

Correct :-)

On 2/2/2014 8:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.
I presume you are not taking mental health into consideration ? If
you were, you would have to tick yourself off the list. IMHO []'s


Hey pal, you noticed that too eh? ^_^

What's up Shadow? Do you find the whack jobs posting here to be more
amusing than those in the other groups I see you in? I even have a
fanboy, Killer Loon, who's using part of my nym, sort of a junior
Hatter. I do have fun here. ^_^

TDD

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:14:46 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/2/2014 8:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.
I presume you are not taking mental health into consideration ? If
you were, you would have to tick yourself off the list. IMHO []'s


Hey pal, you noticed that too eh? ^_^

What's up Shadow? Do you find the whack jobs posting here to be more
amusing than those in the other groups I see you in? I even have a
fanboy, Killer Loon, who's using part of my nym, sort of a junior
Hatter. I do have fun here. ^_^

Yep. The Off Topic here is nice. Has an earthy smell to it.
Not metallic as in the NSA_most_watched groups.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Adam Kubias wrote in
:

On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old
and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled",
not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are in, not
morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.


Certainly not philo's ass, and he is much older.

On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my case, I
would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face in while you
were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really ****ed off about it,
I would gouge out your eyes so you could no longer be a threat but since
I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just put a few rounds in your head from
my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ...

On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my case, I
would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face in while you
were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really ****ed off about it,
I would gouge out your eyes so you could no longer be a threat but since
I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just put a few rounds in your head from
my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD What .380 do you have? WW

On 2014-02-02 1:17 PM, WW wrote:


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ...
On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my case, I
would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face in while you
were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really ****ed off about it,
I would gouge out your eyes so you could no longer be a threat but since
I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just put a few rounds in your head from
my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD What .380 do you have? WW

I don't pick fights. Every now and then you need to swing though.

On 2/2/2014 3:18 PM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 1:17 PM, WW wrote:


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
... On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias
wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60
years old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds,
not "disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain
they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my
case, I would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face
in while you were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really
****ed off about it, I would gouge out your eyes so you could no
longer be a threat but since I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just
put a few rounds in your head from my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD What .380 do you have? WW

I don't pick fights. Every now and then you need to swing though.

That's a good policy Adam but a crowbar or tire tool is sometimes called
for when an attitude adjustment is necessary. ^_^

TDD

On 2/2/2014 1:17 PM, WW wrote:


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
... On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias
wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they
are in, not morbidly obese)?
mm
Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my
case, I would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face
in while you were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really
****ed off about it, I would gouge out your eyes so you could no
longer be a threat but since I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just put
a few rounds in your head from my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD What .380 do you have? WW

I bought an inexpensive Hi-Point CF-380 HC which is a lot of gun for the
money. It came with an 8 round magazine but I'll have to get the 10
round magazine so it will fit my hand better. The last pistol I owned
was a Belgian made NATO issue 9mm Browning Hi-Power. There are a lot of
pro/con videos on YouTube about Hi-Point but it's a basic simple firearm
with a lifetime warranty. The CF-380 is kind of heavy for its caliber so
when you run out of ammo, you can bash in a dobad's head with it. ^_^

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hand...ns_380acp.html

TDD

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:37:52 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote in


I bought an inexpensive Hi-Point CF-380 HC which is a lot of gun for the
money. It came with an 8 round magazine but I'll have to get the 10
round magazine so it will fit my hand better. The last pistol I owned
was a Belgian made NATO issue 9mm Browning Hi-Power. There are a lot of
pro/con videos on YouTube about Hi-Point but it's a basic simple firearm
with a lifetime warranty. The CF-380 is kind of heavy for its caliber so
when you run out of ammo, you can bash in a dobad's head with it. ^_^

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hand...ns_380acp.html

That's a nice piece.
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On 02/02/2014 12:50 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 2/2/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.

Kid, never pick a fight with an old man, he will kill you. In my case, I would bring my cane up between your legs and kick your face in while you were on the floor groaning in pain. If I was really ****ed off about it, I would gouge out your eyes so you could no longer be a threat but since I'm kind of lazy, I'd probably just put a few rounds in your head from my .380 pistol. ^_^

TDD

Hah! You can't even change your own Depends.

Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-02-02 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not
cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

I'm not even 30 and I can kick ass.


Hi,
What is your time for 100 yard dash? What? one minute? No? Couldn't
finish?, LOL!

Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

Hi,
How about over 70? Except for me? No known family history?
I am talking abbout your gene, how did your dad die?
Was he healthy like you? Are you knocking on the wood?

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:07 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

Hi,
How about over 70? Except for me? No known family history?
I am talking abbout your gene, how did your dad die?
Was he healthy like you? Are you knocking on the wood?

My father drank like a fish. He died really young, at 79. All
my other relatives have not yet reached 100, or died trying to get
there, except my 2 grandmothers. Is that good ? Hum , probably not.
I'm already bored.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 2/3/2014 6:14 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:07 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

Hi, How about over 70? Except for me? No known family history? I am
talking abbout your gene, how did your dad die? Was he healthy like
you? Are you knocking on the wood?

My father drank like a fish. He died really young, at 79. All my
other relatives have not yet reached 100, or died trying to get
there, except my 2 grandmothers. Is that good ? Hum , probably not.
I'm already bored. []'s

Shad, you must find a hobby such as trudging through the rain forest and
searching for treasure or unusual new species down there in The Southern
Hemisphere. You could go to the beach and watch all the cute
topless girls show off their assets. The only problem with going to the
beach to girl watch is that some really fat ugly ones walk around half
naked too. My Southern Hillbilly grandmother, Granny, lived to be 95 and
one can only wonder about the history she witnessed throughout her long
life. ^_^

TDD

On 2/4/2014 11:14 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Shad, you must find a hobby such as trudging through the rain forest and
searching for treasure or unusual new species down there in The Southern
Hemisphere. You could go to the beach and watch all the cute
topless girls show off their assets. The only problem with going to the
beach to girl watch is that some really fat ugly ones walk around half
naked too. My Southern Hillbilly grandmother, Granny, lived to be 95 and
one can only wonder about the history she witnessed throughout her long
life. ^_^

TDD

I have a dream. That one day women will be judged
by the content of their character, not the perkiness
of their tits.

95 years of history, ought have seen a lot of change.
Progress and change aren't always the same.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 10:14:10 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Shad, you must find a hobby such as trudging through the rain forest and

I disappear for months at a time, to places where the internet
does not shine.
searching for treasure or unusual new species down there in The Southern
Hemisphere. You could go to the beach and watch all the cute
topless girls show off their assets.

Sounds too much like work to me.
The only problem with going to the
beach to girl watch is that some really fat ugly ones walk around half
naked too.

Yep. Confirmed - Work. I'd rather download MP3's or go
snorkeling. I'm not very good out of water. 3 spinal fractures, one of
which is unstable, and a badly set foot fracture, which is painful if
I walk for 30 minutes.
My Southern Hillbilly grandmother, Granny, lived to be 95 and
one can only wonder about the history she witnessed throughout her long
life. ^_^

One of my grandmothers lived alone until she was 96. Great
cook, good housekeeper. Then she fell, had neurological complications
during the "hip" surgery and only lasted another 7 years ... at first
she thought I was her son, but towards the end she convinced herself I
was her husband.
My +- 95 year old Uncle recently had his colostomy reversed,
because he "was tired of changing the bag". He had a malignant tumor
removed when he was 90. All relatives mentioned used state medicine,
except my father. He would pay private doctors that told him a liter
of whiskey a day was not "too much".
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 2/2/14 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.


Slow reflexes? Die young. So says an article in the LA Times.
http://tinyurl.com/jwnae37

On 02/02/2014 05:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.



27 percent of 17 to 24-year-olds in the United States are too fat to serve in the military.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/retired-...-fat-to-fight/

On 2/2/2014 4:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old
and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled",
not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are in, not
morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.

Waky Zaky, the only thing fat about you is your head. How many nyms do
you have anyway? ^_^

TDD

On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old and
healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled", not cripped,
not whining about how much pain they are in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.
How about 71 and working out in the gym lifting weights and all other
types of workouts.

On 2/2/2014 4:00 PM, joevan wrote:
On 02 Feb 2014 10:20:45 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years
old and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not
"disabled", not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are
in, not morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.
How about 71 and working out in the gym lifting weights and all
other types of workouts.

Joevan, that's fantastic but I can't do that stuff anymore and it's very
frustrating because there was time when I could pick up a car engine.
I'm actually going to get a cane and take Sandy, my trained attack
Rotthuahua, for walks around our big back yard. ^_^

TDD

On 2/2/2014 5:20 AM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Is anyone participating in or visiting this group under 60 years old
and healthy (not cronicly taking prescripton meds, not "disabled",
not cripped, not whining about how much pain they are in, not
morbidly obese)?

Seems not, except for me.


It depends who is defining "healthy". Your definition and the insurance
company's definition might vary. And, is someone who is "disabled" or
even "crippled" necessarily unhealthy?

Speaking as a MD, I believe that if someone is taking prescription
medication for a chronic condition, and that condition is being well
controlled (no medication side effects and no detectable damage to any
organ system from the chronic condition), that person should be
considered healthy. (Examples might include well controlled high blood
pressure and well controlled high blood cholesterol if they were
diagnosed and managed soon after onset - among some other chronic
conditions.) I regard those situations as no different than a person who
requires prescription corrective lenses to see clearly with no evidence
of other ocular abnormality.

And, on the other hand, someone may be taking no prescription
medications because they have a serious medical problem that just has
not become clinically evident (such as early adult onset diabetes or
early stage hepatitis C). Also, some people with chronic mental illness
either may be undiagnosed (and therefore untreated), or may refuse to
take their medications. Those individuals are most certainly not healthy.

Peter wrote in :


It depends who is defining "healthy". Your definition and the insurance
company's definition might vary. And, is someone who is "disabled" or
even "crippled" necessarily unhealthy?

Speaking as a MD, I believe that if someone is taking prescription
medication for a chronic condition, and that condition is being well
controlled (no medication side effects and no detectable damage to any
organ system from the chronic condition), that person should be
considered healthy.


Well, speaking as a layman, I don't think I've ever seen a person taking
prescription medication for a chronic condition in which the initial
prescribed medication did not have deleterious side effects that required
additional meds for those side effects. For example: take this for your
blood pressure and if it keeps you from sleeping, then that this, and take
that to help you wake up in the morning. Of course I'm not in a position
to prove this, but would ask those reading this to draw on their own
personal experiences.

Frankly, I consider most G.P. MDs pill-pushing quacks; although I don't
blame them. I blame the "system" that has most of their later years (10
yrs in practice) education being provided "free" by the pharmaceutical
companies.

On 2/3/2014 2:23 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Peter wrote in
:


It depends who is defining "healthy". Your definition and the
insurance company's definition might vary. And, is someone who is
"disabled" or even "crippled" necessarily unhealthy?

Speaking as a MD, I believe that if someone is taking prescription
medication for a chronic condition, and that condition is being
well controlled (no medication side effects and no detectable
damage to any organ system from the chronic condition), that person
should be considered healthy.


Well, speaking as a layman, I don't think I've ever seen a person
taking prescription medication for a chronic condition in which the
initial prescribed medication did not have deleterious side effects
that required additional meds for those side effects. For example:
take this for your blood pressure and if it keeps you from sleeping,
then that this, and take that to help you wake up in the morning. Of
course I'm not in a position to prove this, but would ask those
reading this to draw on their own personal experiences.

Frankly, I consider most G.P. MDs pill-pushing quacks; although I
don't blame them. I blame the "system" that has most of their later
years (10 yrs in practice) education being provided "free" by the
pharmaceutical companies.


Unfortunate that everyone you know on chronic meds uses incompetent
quack physicians.

Speaking as both an individual who takes prescription medication
chronically, and someone who has treated many patients who do the same,
I can say that my population sample size is likely to be considerably
larger than yours and my experience contradicts your observation. With
close observation and careful control of dosage, the overwhelming
majority of patients who require chronic medication do not sustain
complications that require additional meds to treat the complications.
That being said, it is a consistent, widely reported observation that
the more medications a patient takes, the great the likelihood of
undesirable drug-drug interactions.

Your generalization about abuse of pharmaceutical company "education" as
the prime source of continuing medical education is off the mark. Most
states require a certain number of hours/year of continuing medical
education for physicians to retain their license. Most states require
that the majority of those hours be from AMA PRA category I sources.
Pharmaceutical company sponsored activities rarely if ever meet that
criterion. Also, in reality, G.P.s are not common any more. Most M.D.s
today who treat all or most members of a family for all or most of their
medical needs are board certified in family practice or internal medicine.

On 2/3/2014 1:44 PM, Peter wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:23 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
Peter wrote in
:


It depends who is defining "healthy". Your definition and the
insurance company's definition might vary. And, is someone who
is "disabled" or even "crippled" necessarily unhealthy?

Speaking as a MD, I believe that if someone is taking
prescription medication for a chronic condition, and that
condition is being well controlled (no medication side effects
and no detectable damage to any organ system from the chronic
condition), that person should be considered healthy.


Well, speaking as a layman, I don't think I've ever seen a person
taking prescription medication for a chronic condition in which
the initial prescribed medication did not have deleterious side
effects that required additional meds for those side effects. For
example: take this for your blood pressure and if it keeps you from
sleeping, then that this, and take that to help you wake up in the
morning. Of course I'm not in a position to prove this, but would
ask those reading this to draw on their own personal experiences.

Frankly, I consider most G.P. MDs pill-pushing quacks; although I
don't blame them. I blame the "system" that has most of their
later years (10 yrs in practice) education being provided "free"
by the pharmaceutical companies.


Unfortunate that everyone you know on chronic meds uses incompetent
quack physicians.

Speaking as both an individual who takes prescription medication
chronically, and someone who has treated many patients who do the
same, I can say that my population sample size is likely to be
considerably larger than yours and my experience contradicts your
observation. With close observation and careful control of dosage,
the overwhelming majority of patients who require chronic medication
do not sustain complications that require additional meds to treat
the complications. That being said, it is a consistent, widely
reported observation that the more medications a patient takes, the
great the likelihood of undesirable drug-drug interactions.

Your generalization about abuse of pharmaceutical company "education"
as the prime source of continuing medical education is off the mark.
Most states require a certain number of hours/year of continuing
medical education for physicians to retain their license. Most
states require that the majority of those hours be from AMA PRA
category I sources. Pharmaceutical company sponsored activities
rarely if ever meet that criterion. Also, in reality, G.P.s are not
common any more. Most M.D.s today who treat all or most members of a
family for all or most of their medical needs are board certified in
family practice or internal medicine.

Well Dr. Pete, I'm glad to see you posting and sharing your knowledge.
I picked up 9 different medications from my pharmacist last Saturday.
At the end of May last year, I was sent home to die and had home hospice
care and was walking around with a $32,000.00 automatic external
defibrillator hanging off my belt. After 6 months, the hospice service
determined I wasn't declining and ended the service. I wasn't dying fast
enough and the service was worried about fraud that had happened with
other hospice service organizations. They came and picked up the bed,
the oxygen machine, tanks and all the other stuff. I shipped the $32k
Zoll defibrillator back to them. I take a handful of pills at 6:00am and
again at 6:00pm and I'm too damn ornery to die. ^_^

TDD