My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

philo* wrote in :


My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F.



Wind chill does not apply to engines. If ambient is -18 the engine will
also be at -18 regardless of whether the wind is 1 mph or 500 mph.



Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:

I am NOT going out to start it!




I'll come over and hot-wire it, thus proving you wrong.


--
Tegger

On 12/30/2013 09:31 AM, Tegger wrote:
philo wrote in :


My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F.



Wind chill does not apply to engines. If ambient is -18 the engine will
also be at -18 regardless of whether the wind is 1 mph or 500 mph.



yes, I am sure everyone here knows that, I was just making a joke.


Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:

I am NOT going out to start it!




I'll come over and hot-wire it, thus proving you wrong.




Nope, I've lived in WI most of my life and stuff like cold weather
doesn't bother me.

On 12/30/2013 11:00 AM, philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 09:31 AM, Tegger wrote:
Wind chill does not apply to engines. If ambient is -18 the engine will
also be at -18 regardless of whether the wind is 1 mph or 500 mph.



yes, I am sure everyone here knows that, I was just making a joke.


On the other hand. The guys in Buffalo Air, in
Alaska deal with wind chill. When an air plane
lands, how long till the oil is too thick to
restart? Wind chill is a serious factor.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote in
:

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:19:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


On the other hand. The guys in Buffalo Air, in
Alaska deal with wind chill. When an air plane
lands, how long till the oil is too thick to
restart? Wind chill is a serious factor.

True. The wind chill does affect how quickly a warmed up engine cools
down.





The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or minimizing any
boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient steeper than it would
be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish and thicken. That's why an
engine in the wind will cool faster than one in still air.

But either way, no engine will cool to BELOW AMBIENT, which is what the
term "wind chill" implies. The sensation of a below-ambient temperature can
only be felt by animate objects that generate their own heat. You, for
instance.


--
Tegger

philo* wrote in :

On 12/30/2013 09:31 AM, Tegger wrote:

Wind chill does not apply to engines. If ambient is -18 the engine
will also be at -18 regardless of whether the wind is 1 mph or 500
mph.



yes, I am sure everyone here knows that, I was just making a joke.



So was I. I'm not actually going to come over and hot-wire your car.



--
Tegger

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

wrote in
:

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:19:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


On the other hand. The guys in Buffalo Air, in
Alaska deal with wind chill. When an air plane
lands, how long till the oil is too thick to
restart? Wind chill is a serious factor.

True. The wind chill does affect how quickly a warmed up engine cools
down.





The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or minimizing any
boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient steeper than it would
be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish and thicken. That's why an
engine in the wind will cool faster than one in still air.

No, it's *exactly* wind-chill. It's exactly the same process that
makes you feel colder when the wind is blowing. Your body is required
to make more heat to keep its temperature constant. The "off" engine
doesn't generate heat, so gets colder, faster, in the wind.

But either way, no engine will cool to BELOW AMBIENT, which is what the
term "wind chill" implies. The sensation of a below-ambient temperature can
only be felt by animate objects that generate their own heat. You, for
instance.

Neither will your corpse.

On 12/30/2013 12:24 PM, Tegger wrote:
philo wrote in :

On 12/30/2013 09:31 AM, Tegger wrote:

Wind chill does not apply to engines. If ambient is -18 the engine
will also be at -18 regardless of whether the wind is 1 mph or 500
mph.



yes, I am sure everyone here knows that, I was just making a joke.



So was I. I'm not actually going to come over and hot-wire your car.





I know...in this weather you'd have to cold wire it.

wrote in :

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:



The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or
minimizing any boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient
steeper than it would be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish
and thicken. That's why an engine in the wind will cool faster than
one in still air.

No, it's *exactly* wind-chill. It's exactly the same process that
makes you feel colder when the wind is blowing. Your body is required
to make more heat to keep its temperature constant. The "off" engine
doesn't generate heat, so gets colder, faster, in the wind.




The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.




The sensation of a below-ambient
temperature can only be felt by animate objects that generate their
own heat. You, for instance.

Neither will your corpse.




Your sentence does not appear to follow from my sentence that you quoted
immediately before.

My corpse will be an inanimate object that will not generate its own heat
and will thus be unable to feel "wind chill". Until I zombi-fy, of course.


--
Tegger

philo* wrote in :

On 12/30/2013 12:24 PM, Tegger wrote:
I'm not actually going to come over and hot-wire your car.





I know...in this weather you'd have to cold wire it.


Good point.


--
Tegger

On 12/30/2013 12:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in :

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger



The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.






That's true, but it is also true that a cold wind blowing on a hot
object will cool it down faster.

philo* wrote in :

On 12/30/2013 12:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in :

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger



The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.






That's true, but it is also true that a cold wind blowing on a hot
object will cool it down faster.



True but irrelevant.

You originally said the ambient temperature was -18 with a wind chill of
-40, and implied that the wind chill would have some effect on the engine's
ability to start. Wind chill will have NO effect on the engine at all. The
engine knows it's -18 and no lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill
(krw appears to have been right that hastened cooling in wind is in fact
also called "wind chill".)

--
Tegger

On 12/30/2013 02:06 PM, Tegger wrote:
philo wrote in :

On 12/30/2013 12:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in :

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger



The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.






That's true, but it is also true that a cold wind blowing on a hot
object will cool it down faster.



True but irrelevant.

You originally said the ambient temperature was -18 with a wind chill of
-40, and implied that the wind chill would have some effect on the engine's
ability to start. Wind chill will have NO effect on the engine at all.

That's correct, I don't think anyone here thinks anything different

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:06:28 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:


True but irrelevant.

You originally said the ambient temperature was -18 with a wind chill of
-40, and implied that the wind chill would have some effect on the engine's
ability to start. Wind chill will have NO effect on the engine at all. The
engine knows it's -18 and no lower.


That depends on how long it's left in the wind. It takes a looong
time for an engine to lose residual heat.
It'll take much longer to reach that -18 if parked out of the wind.
Parking a car in shelter can make a big difference.

On 12/30/2013 01:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air/feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.


So how come the wet bulb cools off more than the dry bulb on a sling psychrometer?

Isn't the wet bulb an inanimate object?

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/SCO...chrometer.html

On 12/30/2013 1:23 PM, Tegger wrote:

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:19:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


On the other hand. The guys in Buffalo Air, in
Alaska deal with wind chill. When an air plane
lands, how long till the oil is too thick to
restart? Wind chill is a serious factor.

The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or minimizing any
boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient steeper than it would
be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish and thicken. That's why an
engine in the wind will cool faster than one in still air.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill

The speed of cooling has different effects on inanimate
objects and biological organisms. For inanimate objects,
the effect of wind chill is to reduce any warmer objects
to the ambient temperature more quickly.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 12/30/2013 2:43 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 12:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.

That's true, but it is also true that a cold wind blowing on a hot
object will cool it down faster.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill

The speed of cooling has different effects on
inanimate objects and biological organisms. For
inanimate objects, the effect of wind chill is
to reduce any warmer objects to the ambient
temperature more quickly.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

In article ,
Tegger wrote:
wrote in
:

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:19:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


On the other hand. The guys in Buffalo Air, in
Alaska deal with wind chill. When an air plane
lands, how long till the oil is too thick to
restart? Wind chill is a serious factor.

True. The wind chill does affect how quickly a warmed up engine cools
down.





The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or minimizing any
boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient steeper than it would
be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish and thicken. That's why an
engine in the wind will cool faster than one in still air.

But either way, no engine will cool to BELOW AMBIENT, which is what the
term "wind chill" implies. The sensation of a below-ambient temperature can
only be felt by animate objects that generate their own heat. You, for
instance.


--
Tegger

Evaporative cooling?

--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

For what it's worth, right now as I type this at 7:24 PM Central Standard Time, Winnipeg is at -36 degrees Celsius (or about -33 F), and with the wind it feels like -51 deg. C. (or -60 F). We're hoping for milder temperatures toward the end of this week.

One thing more people should know, but don't, is that you can significantly improve your car's starting in cold weather by switching to synthetic motor oil for the winter.

Waxes that occur naturally in crude oil find their way through the refinery and into your motor oil. These waxes thicken up at colder temperatures, causing the oil to become much more viscous. Synthetic motor oils have very much less wax in them than conventional oils, and so they don't increase in viscosity as much with colder temperatures. So, by using a synthetic motor oil in your car during the winter, you'll improve starting because the oil will be thinner and allow faster cranking of the engine.

There was an oil change company that had a "Start and Go or We Pay the Tow" promotion on last winter. The idea was that you had them put Quaker State synthetic motor oil in your car, and if your car wouldn't start just because of the cold weather, they would pay to tow your car to the nearest garage. The catch was that they would only pay for one tow. If your car wouldn't start a second time, you needed to have a second oil change. Otherwise they wouldn't pay anything.

Still, using synthetic oil in the winter is a good idea to minimize hard starting problems; especially if you live or work in an area where you can't plug your car's block heater in. When I have an empty apartment, but no available parking spot, I tell prospective tenants about changing their oil to a synthetic over the winter months, but most of them are reluctant to rent an apartment without a parking spot and plug-in because they don't know how much difference the synthetic oil will make. I've tried it on my own car, and I'm convinced it does make a significant difference.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ld_Starts.aspx

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:59:56 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

wrote in :

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:



The phenomenon you're referring to is NOT "wind chill". The phenomenon
you're referring to is simply air movement stripping away or
minimizing any boundary layer, thus keeping the temperature gradient
steeper than it would be if a boundary layer were allowed to establish
and thicken. That's why an engine in the wind will cool faster than
one in still air.

No, it's *exactly* wind-chill. It's exactly the same process that
makes you feel colder when the wind is blowing. Your body is required
to make more heat to keep its temperature constant. The "off" engine
doesn't generate heat, so gets colder, faster, in the wind.




The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air /feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.

Utter nonsense. The mechanism is *exactly* the same.

The sensation of a below-ambient
temperature can only be felt by animate objects that generate their
own heat. You, for instance.

Neither will your corpse.




Your sentence does not appear to follow from my sentence that you quoted
immediately before.

I can't help it if you're illiterate.

My corpse will be an inanimate object that will not generate its own heat
and will thus be unable to feel "wind chill". Until I zombi-fy, of course.

No, go back and think about that some more.

philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg

On 12/30/2013 08:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg




yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 02:36:51 +0100, nestork
wrote:


For what it's worth, right now as I type this at 7:24 PM Central
Standard Time, Winnipeg is at -36 degrees Celsius (or about -33 F), and
with the wind it feels like -51 deg. C. (or -60 F).

It's 9:38PM EST now. It's 44F (7C) with a 7MPH wind from the NNW. You
can have that Winter crap! I had enough of it.

We're hoping for milder temperatures toward the end of this week.

So are we. 60F would be nice. ;-)

On 12/30/2013 6:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg

I'm not saying that your statement is wrong, just incomplete.

Wind chill is about heat flow.
Wind impinging on an object can increase the rate of heat flow.
It cannot cause the temperature of the object to go below the
ambient temperature of the wind...absent other effects like evaporation.

For non-homogenous objects with imperfect conductivity, like the human
body, exposed skin can be damaged more quickly in cold wind, even if the
core temperature is unchanged.
Your car engine can't. It just cools faster, but only if you leave
the hood open and let the wind blow directly on the engine.

philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially
if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg




yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.

On 12/30/2013 08:53 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:





yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.





I have to go out to shovel anyway...no big deal.


Besides if it really got bad, being retired...I can just say,

"maybe tomorrow"

Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially
if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg




yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.

Not everyone can afford a remote starter. They are still considered
somewhat of a luxury, even "in this day and age."

My son bought a used car. No remote starter. He planned on getting one
before winter. He decided new tires were a much better idea. Smart kid.

On 12/30/2013 8:46 AM, philo wrote:


I am NOT going out to start it!

The poor thing, all alone and cold. We will see how it treats you this
spring!

On 12/30/2013 12:59 PM, Tegger wrote:

My corpse will be an inanimate object that will not generate its own heat
and will thus be unable to feel "wind chill". Until I zombi-fy, of course.

Will the warm braiiinnnz change your temperature?

On 12/30/2013 4:56 PM, Norman Bates wrote:
On 12/30/2013 01:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air/feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.


So how come the wet bulb cools off more than the dry bulb on a sling
psychrometer?

Isn't the wet bulb an inanimate object?

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/SCO...chrometer.html

Evaportation, of course. I learned this during sixth grade science
camp.

On 12/30/2013 7:36 PM, nestork wrote:

For what it's worth, right now as I type this at 7:24 PM Central
Standard Time, Winnipeg is at -36 degrees Celsius (or about -33 F), and
with the wind it feels like -51 deg. C. (or -60 F). We're hoping for
milder temperatures toward the end of this week.

One thing more people should know, but don't, is that you can
significantly improve your car's starting in cold weather by switching
to synthetic motor oil for the winter.

Waxes that occur naturally in crude oil find their way through the
refinery and into your motor oil. These waxes thicken up at colder
temperatures, causing the oil to become much more viscous. Synthetic
motor oils have very much less wax in them than conventional oils, and
so they don't increase in viscosity as much with colder temperatures.
So, by using a synthetic motor oil in your car during the winter, you'll
improve starting because the oil will be thinner and allow faster
cranking of the engine.

There was an oil change company that had a "Start and Go or We Pay the
Tow" promotion on last winter. The idea was that you had them put
Quaker State synthetic motor oil in your car, and if your car wouldn't
start just because of the cold weather, they would pay to tow your car
to the nearest garage. The catch was that they would only pay for one
tow. If your car wouldn't start a second time, you needed to have a
second oil change. Otherwise they wouldn't pay anything.

Still, using synthetic oil in the winter is a good idea to minimize hard
starting problems; especially if you live or work in an area where you
can't plug your car's block heater in. When I have an empty apartment,
but no available parking spot, I tell prospective tenants about changing
their oil to a synthetic over the winter months, but most of them are
reluctant to rent an apartment without a parking spot and plug-in
because they don't know how much difference the synthetic oil will make.
I've tried it on my own car, and I'm convinced it does make a
significant difference.

http://tinyurl.com/orthcrc

Re-filtering the oil also means that you will not have to purchase more
of the same. Save some money while you are at it.

philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:53 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:





yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.





I have to go out to shovel anyway...no big deal.


Besides if it really got bad, being retired...I can just say,

"maybe tomorrow"
Hi,
I am retired too but I am busier than ever, LOL!

DerbyDad03 wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially
if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg




yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.

Not everyone can afford a remote starter. They are still considered
somewhat of a luxury, even "in this day and age."

My son bought a used car. No remote starter. He planned on getting one
before winter. He decided new tires were a much better idea. Smart kid.

Hi,
I install them myself. This car came with one but the range was bad. I
replaced with another after market one after confirming with dealer it
won't void warranty. They are modular now, very easy to deal with.

Irreverent Maximus wrote:
On 12/30/2013 4:56 PM, Norman Bates wrote:
On 12/30/2013 01:59 PM, Tegger wrote:
The term "wind chill" is used to refer to the sensation of air/feeling/
colder than it actually is; it cannot apply to an inanimate object.


So how come the wet bulb cools off more than the dry bulb on a sling
psychrometer?

Isn't the wet bulb an inanimate object?

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/SCO...chrometer.html

Evaportation, of course. I learned this during sixth grade science
camp.
Hi,
Well, if I park a car facing cold Northerly wind vs. facing the other
way, one facing North is harder to start in the morning. In Chinese
wind chill spells like this, "體感溫度" direct translation, "temperature
feels like" which is usually lower than actual temperature. I am not
Chinese.

Tony Hwang wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:27 PM, gregz wrote:
philo wrote:
My car starts reliably to -20F . The temperature outside it -18F but the
wind chill factor is -40F. Will my car start?

To all the science-minded people out there , the answer is "NO".

Explanation:





I am NOT going out to start it!

Wind chill only applies to a mass, and how long it's subjected to a
temperature. Residual heat can be stored for a given time, especially
if it
enclosed or insulated.
Just because the nights low is zero, does not mean the mass will be at
zero.

Greg




yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know
Hmmm,
No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.

Not everyone can afford a remote starter. They are still considered
somewhat of a luxury, even "in this day and age."

My son bought a used car. No remote starter. He planned on getting one
before winter. He decided new tires were a much better idea. Smart kid.

Hi,
I install them myself. This car came with one but the range was bad. I
replaced with another after market one after confirming with dealer it
won't void warranty. They are modular now, very easy to deal with.

I installed one 15 years ago. A pain fooling with wiring. I'll never
install another. On the starter install had one that on a warm or cold day,
you could leave your car running while running into store. It was probably
the best uni at the time. It was a gift. I also wired up the lights so you
could see the vehicle, and was also a thieve deterrent, going toward your
car.

Greg

On 12/30/2013 9:41 PM, philo wrote:



yes I know, this was posted as a joke you know

Some threads take on a life of their own. This one,
stirred not shaken (crimped or soldered) surprised
me, a lot.

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On 12/30/2013 9:43 PM, mike wrote:

I'm not saying that your statement is wrong, just incomplete.

Wind chill is about heat flow.
Wind impinging on an object can increase the rate of heat flow.
It cannot cause the temperature of the object to go below the
ambient temperature of the wind...absent other effects like evaporation.

For non-homogenous objects with imperfect conductivity, like the human
body, exposed skin can be damaged more quickly in cold wind, even if the
core temperature is unchanged.
Your car engine can't. It just cools faster, but only if you leave
the hood open and let the wind blow directly on the engine.

I was informed that wearing jewelry further
increased the effect of wind chill. This became
clear one time when I was helping clean up from
a furnace repair, in cold weather. Handling the
cold metal was far worse than I expected, and I
ended up going to town and buy some heavy gloves.
I don't wear any jewelry, or rings.

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On 12/31/2013 12:11 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Irreverent Maximus wrote:

Evaportation, of course. I learned this during sixth grade science
camp.
Hi,
Well, if I park a car facing cold Northerly wind vs. facing the other
way, one facing North is harder to start in the morning. In Chinese
wind chill spells like this, "體感溫度" direct translation, "temperature
feels like" which is usually lower than actual temperature. I am not
Chinese.

Cold wind is colder than ambient, right? Energy only flows in one
direction in thermo-dynamics when no extra energy is added. It is
possible for a high wind to take away a bit more energy than it
provides. However, it is still providing energy, so, the temperature
difference will be minute unless the wind is measurably colder.

Works in reverse, too. A real high wind, even if cold, will heat
an object. That's one hell of a wind, though. It is rather unlikely
to cause that much friction. Though, super sonic craft...

This is in no way a succinct description and is rather **** poor in my
opinion. Oh, well. Other things on my mind.

On 12/31/2013 12:01 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:




I have to go out to shovel anyway...no big deal.


Besides if it really got bad, being retired...I can just say,

"maybe tomorrow"
Hi,
I am retired too but I am busier than ever, LOL!



Yep, me too.

My wife sees to that.

On 12/30/2013 10:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


No remote starter in this day and age? Why go out in the cold?
Just use remote starter. You can program it any way you want.
Mine has temp. sensor, it can start and run for 5 mins.(adjustable)
at certain temp. Or I can program it to run every 5 hours all night
for an example. You can do it with your smart phone as well.

Not everyone can afford a remote starter. They are still considered
somewhat of a luxury, even "in this day and age."

My son bought a used car. No remote starter. He planned on getting one
before winter. He decided new tires were a much better idea. Smart kid.




A luxury I don't need.


First off I am very much used to the cold Wisconsin winters and to just
go out an start the car is no big deal.

I live very modestly on a relatively small amount of money,,,but because
I don't buy things I don't need I feel in a way that I am pretty well off.

I take my wife to NY once a year and we have a blast. Things like that
are more important than having a car starter etc.