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On 12/12/2013 5:05 AM, micky wrote:
I also gave even more of them the HF headlamp when it was on sale real cheap, but that might not have been such a good idea. If they don't use it, the batteries will leak. (and I don't even use mine.) And a few years later, LEDs got good enough to make a better light (still with batteries that might leak.) Years ago, Nite Ize had LED conversions for mini mag flash light. They fit nicely into the black and yellow HF head lamp. The one that takes two AA cells. Makes for a good light, with AA cells that last longer than AAA cells. Just have to pull out the bi pin bulb, and break out the provided reflector. Fits nicely into the lamp with the Nite Ize reflector inside the HF plastic lens. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Jennifer,
Most cheap digitals work fairly well. Look at the leads. You want robust leads and good probes. I also favor auto-ranging. Spend around $30. Dave M. |
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On 12/11/2013 6:04 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Dean " wrote in message ... Is there a digital equivalent of a Wiggy? Is induced voltage any concern for most household use? Something close is the Fluke T2. It has 2 leads attached. Just hook it up; and some leds will light up. It will indicate from 6 volts to 600. Indicate a short/or low ohms between the leads. I don't think they make it any more, but there may be an equal tester. Very seldom is the induced voltage any problem around the house, but it can be. Where I worked we had thousands of wires in conduits and it was a very great problem. The company would buy any meter I wanted and I had several Flukes, but often carried the old Simpson 260 analog due to the induced voltage problem. It would often show something, but only about half of what I expected to see if I was getting a true voltage. There are some meters out that have a button or special position to help on the induced voltage problem now. Sometimes I made my own by placing a resistor across the meter leads. For a Fluke, there is http://en-us.fluke.com/products/acce...uke-sv225.html which plugs in between the meter and leads and provides a lower resistance. Probably works with other meters with the same lead spacing and plugs. |
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On 12/11/2013 10:10 PM, nestork wrote:
Fluke meters are great, but a lot of what you're paying for is the fact that they read true RMS voltage, which takes a little bit of electronic circuitry that a $10 meter doesn't have. A lot of the cost is making the meter safe if you make a mistake on high capacity circuits, as in one of Ralph's posts. A real good idea if you are working in service panels or somewhere other than on the end of a 20A branch circuit. |
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The Sears insert that came with today's paper shows a combination deal
of a digital multimeter and AC voltage probe for $14.99 ("Save $12"); item number is 03482146. Perce On 12/11/13 09:36 am, I wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? The one I use most came from Sears when it was on sale many years back. Has a rubber case with a fold-out stand. I still see similar (if not identical) ones in the Sears fliers from time to time. I'm pretty sure they are less than $50. |
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On 12/12/2013 4:01 AM, micky wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 01:47:14 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: I just gave a customer a cheap Harbor Freight DMM and showed him how to use it to check the polarity of the power supply splice/links to the wireless IP cameras he wanted to install himself. $5.00 to avoid damage to equipment is a good investment. ^_^ TDD At that price you can give them away and the customer probably feels important, even better than having his first power tool, especially a power saw. A very good way to please customers, I'll bet. I think a lot of people think meters are beyond them, so if they learn how, that puts them way ahead of those still out there who don't know what to do with them. The nice fellow works as a millwright on industrial shutdowns so he winds up working nights and when people came on his property and stole his stuff, he decided to put up some wireless IP cameras. I can't climb ladders anymore so he wanted to install the cameras himself and to do so required splicing more wire into the feed from the wall plug mounted power supplies so I showed him how to test the DC power at the small power plug before plugging it into the camera. Anyway, I worked on his computer and DVR setting it up while he did the monkey work. ^_^ TDD |
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:25:02 -0500, micky
wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 05:22:12 -0800, Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? BTW, afaik all meters cheap or expensive, unless maybe it was home-built, have a clever circuit, (whose name I forget. It looks like a 4-sided diamond) , that makes the read-out the same, even when the voltage of the battery inside is going down. It took 4 1/2 hours but it came to me. It's called a Wheatstone bridge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge A) It uses the values and ratios of 3 known resistors to measure an unknown resistance, and in a meter, since the ratios don't change with voltage, the value of an unknown (external) resistance, is not dependant on the votage of the battery. However the url above only says "Variations on the Wheatstone bridge can be used to measure capacitance, inductance, impedance and other quantities," and "The concept was extended to alternating current measurements" and doesn't mention voltage or DC current. In fact, a few lines up it says "If all four resistor values and the supply voltage (VS) are known, ....the voltage across the bridge (VG) can be found by working out the voltage from each potential divider and subtracting one from the other. " which implies that voltage measurements are dependant on knowing the battery voltage. So maybe I was wrong, except wrt resistance and AC current (and very few meters measure AC current.) ^^Impedance is much like resistance, measured in ohms, but it's used for coils and caps, where it depends on frequency. If the frequency is 0, like it is with a battery, caps will have infinited impedance, but coils will have the impedance of a resistor made with the same length of the same wire. Still, I've never read a warning that measurements are inaccurate as the battery weakens, and the guys who design these things are pretty clever, so I'm not giving up on the notion that, until the battery is almost dead, the voltage of the battery doesn't matter. Anyone know? When the battery is almost dead (1.3 or 1.4 volts for a nominal 1.5 volt battery) it won't work but if it's 1.47, which might be 80% discharged, the reading should be the same as with a new battery. Meters don't use much current, so they might work with batteries that don't work in a portable radio with an actual speaker. (radios that drive headphones don't need so much power so I'm not comparing with them.) I'm sure some people here will take issue with some of this. It's true that my numbers are only educated guesses. |
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On 12/11/2013 08:56 AM, Snag wrote:
Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Radio Shack has several digital and analog multimeters for well under your price range . Tell the guy/gal there what you want to do with it , if you're lucky they might even be knowledgeable enough to help you select one . From my home repair experience I suggest you look for AC voltage ranges from ~20 volts to 600 , DC voltages the same for the cars and low voltage lighting systems and resistance ranges that include one that beeps if you have continuity . Autoranging is nice if you did not learn to use an old school meter where you'd start at the highest range and work down. If you don't need autoranging Harbor Freight has an adequate one that is usually $5-6. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On 12/12/2013 10:34 AM, micky wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:25:02 -0500, micky wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 05:22:12 -0800, Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? BTW, afaik all meters cheap or expensive, unless maybe it was home-built, have a clever circuit, (whose name I forget. It looks like a 4-sided diamond) , that makes the read-out the same, even when the voltage of the battery inside is going down. It took 4 1/2 hours but it came to me. It's called a Wheatstone bridge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge A) It uses the values and ratios of 3 known resistors to measure an unknown resistance, and in a meter, since the ratios don't change with voltage, the value of an unknown (external) resistance, is not dependant on the votage of the battery. However the url above only says "Variations on the Wheatstone bridge can be used to measure capacitance, inductance, impedance and other quantities," and "The concept was extended to alternating current measurements" and doesn't mention voltage or DC current. In fact, a few lines up it says "If all four resistor values and the supply voltage (VS) are known, ....the voltage across the bridge (VG) can be found by working out the voltage from each potential divider and subtracting one from the other. " which implies that voltage measurements are dependant on knowing the battery voltage. So maybe I was wrong, except wrt resistance and AC current (and very few meters measure AC current.) ^^Impedance is much like resistance, measured in ohms, but it's used for coils and caps, where it depends on frequency. If the frequency is 0, like it is with a battery, caps will have infinited impedance, but coils will have the impedance of a resistor made with the same length of the same wire. Still, I've never read a warning that measurements are inaccurate as the battery weakens, and the guys who design these things are pretty clever, so I'm not giving up on the notion that, until the battery is almost dead, the voltage of the battery doesn't matter. Anyone know? For what it's worth, I'm using NiMH rechargeable batteries in my Fluke meters (1.2V nominal/cell as opposed to 1.5V/cell for alkaline) I'm using a Tenergy Centura brand 7 cell/8.4V "9V" battery instead of the 6 cell 9V alkaline specified; I have noticed no inaccuracies in resistance readings. I'm also using a Tenergy Centura D cell and similar "9V" battery in my Simpson 260 with no issues, but on the 260 you need to zero the meter every time you change resistance ranges anyway. However I suspect that it uses a similar circuit as the relative knob position ends up about the same for both alkalines and NiMH. As an aside I've been happy after switching over to NiMH; hopefully I will not buy any more cells/batteries unless I buy more devices for a good long time. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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Tony Hwang wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: On 12/11/2013 08:56 AM, Snag wrote: Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Radio Shack has several digital and analog multimeters for well under your price range . Tell the guy/gal there what you want to do with it , if you're lucky they might even be knowledgeable enough to help you select one . From my home repair experience I suggest you look for AC voltage ranges from ~20 volts to 600 , DC voltages the same for the cars and low voltage lighting systems and resistance ranges that include one that beeps if you have continuity . Autoranging is nice if you did not learn to use an old school meter where you'd start at the highest range and work down. If you don't need autoranging Harbor Freight has an adequate one that is usually $5-6. nate Hmmm, I perused eBay for Wavtek or Fluke for around 50.00. There were quite a few new and used ones for ~50.00. Thought that was pretty good deal for dependaable well built meters with decent accuracy RMS voltage reading ,etc. Good chance it'll last life time. Get a Sperry with a capacitor tester for about $60. May save you a couple hundred if your A/C quits. |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
On 12/11/2013 08:56 AM, Snag wrote: Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Radio Shack has several digital and analog multimeters for well under your price range . Tell the guy/gal there what you want to do with it , if you're lucky they might even be knowledgeable enough to help you select one . From my home repair experience I suggest you look for AC voltage ranges from ~20 volts to 600 , DC voltages the same for the cars and low voltage lighting systems and resistance ranges that include one that beeps if you have continuity . Autoranging is nice if you did not learn to use an old school meter where you'd start at the highest range and work down. If you don't need autoranging Harbor Freight has an adequate one that is usually $5-6. nate Hmmm, I perused eBay for Wavtek or Fluke for around 50.00. There were quite a few new and used ones for ~50.00. Thought that was pretty good deal for dependaable well built meters with decent accuracy RMS voltage reading ,etc. Good chance it'll last life time. |
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"gregz" wrote in message ... that I have a true need for that any time soon. Led display ? Greg Um, fatal voltage input. So, sort of. :-) |
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On 12/12/2013 01:19 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: On 12/11/2013 08:56 AM, Snag wrote: Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Radio Shack has several digital and analog multimeters for well under your price range . Tell the guy/gal there what you want to do with it , if you're lucky they might even be knowledgeable enough to help you select one . From my home repair experience I suggest you look for AC voltage ranges from ~20 volts to 600 , DC voltages the same for the cars and low voltage lighting systems and resistance ranges that include one that beeps if you have continuity . Autoranging is nice if you did not learn to use an old school meter where you'd start at the highest range and work down. If you don't need autoranging Harbor Freight has an adequate one that is usually $5-6. nate Hmmm, I perused eBay for Wavtek or Fluke for around 50.00. There were quite a few new and used ones for ~50.00. Thought that was pretty good deal for dependaable well built meters with decent accuracy RMS voltage reading ,etc. Good chance it'll last life time. Undoubtedly. Many people don't use a multimeter often enough or require enough accuracy/precision in readings to make it worth buying a Fluke however. I do agree that if willing to spend the money, Fluke, Agilent, etc. are excellent tools. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:22:12 AM UTC-6, Jennifer Murphy wrote:
What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Explain the differences between vAC, vDC, RMS, current, and ohms . |
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On 12/12/2013 1:43 PM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:22:12 AM UTC-6, Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Explain the differences between vAC, vDC, RMS, current, and ohms . Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with farm animals. ^_^ TDD |
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gregz wrote:
micky wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 05:22:12 -0800, Jennifer Murphy wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Also, you should make or buy some wires with alligator clips on both ends. RAdio shack has a bag of 10, in 5 colors, for 4 or 5 dollars. You use one to clip one test wires in place, and then you only have to worry about the other test lead. There are 100 uses for these things. Once when a wire in my car's wiring harness broke, I used a 3 foot jumper wire to get home. I didnt' bother replacing it, and used it until the car died 3 years later. Then I took it off. I've never had a harbor frieight meter break or any probelm with insulation up to 117 vac house current. I havent' measured higher than that lately. Some meters have a separate place to test batteries, which provides a load and is better than using the regular 20 volt scale but not that much better. All you need to know is that batteries retain most o ftheir voltage until they're almost dead. So if a 1.5 volt cell reads 1.3 volts, it's worthless, 1.4 almost worthless, 1.45 not worth much. First of all, if you ever buy a Set of crimped alligator leads, take time and solder each FIRST. They will fail passing current otherwise at some time. I have used many meters, and have many meters. Some are broke. Some need fuses. I like $400 fluke meters. My current grab and go is this"..... http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-...ter-98674.html Greg For complicated things and even high voltages, I still have analog, VTVM. ESR meter for caps. Right, vacuum tube. Good for measuring leakage resistance over 100 M. My triplet goes a few KV. Autorange is good if you can put it on manual. I used to use the fluke snap on adaptors. Spike points, they really dug into the metal. handy most always for resistance. Greg |
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"Jennifer Murphy" wrote in message ...
What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Digital is easy to read but unless I'm doing hi spec work, I prefer the old analog type. For one think, it's easier to see changes in reading with the needle swinging back and forth. If you every want to check the engine error codes, I can be difficult to do it with a digital meter. $5-30 should get you something decent. I bought one at Radio Shack about 10 years ago for $25 that I could connect to a computer and record a time trace. |
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micky wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:17:33 +0000 (UTC), wrote: AC and DC amps to 10 A, 15 A, or 20 A I would lower this to Nice to Have. In 45 years, I've measured current 4 or 5 times. I usually end up measuring current when I'm messing around with cars - watching a battery charge, seeing how much current some accessory is drawing, stuff like that. That's why I spec'd the "high" current range. I haven't done it much on line-voltage AC; the times I have, I either used a clamp meter, or a Kill-a-Watt portable kWh meter. As others have noted, line-voltage AC stuff is more of a "it works or it doesn't" thing. This hasn't happened often, actually never, so the leads aren't close to wearing out yet, but like my horse Trigger, I like having it with me. I firmly believe that as long as you have a tool with you, nothing that you can fix with that tool will ever break. Matt Roberds |
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micky wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:17:33 +0000 (UTC), wrote: AC and DC amps to 10 A, 15 A, or 20 A I would lower this to Nice to Have. In 45 years, I've measured current 4 or 5 times. I usually end up measuring current when I'm messing around with cars - watching a battery charge, seeing how much current some accessory is drawing, stuff like that. That's why I spec'd the "high" current range. I haven't done it much on line-voltage AC; the times I have, I either used a clamp meter, or a Kill-a-Watt portable kWh meter. As others have noted, line-voltage AC stuff is more of a "it works or it doesn't" thing. This hasn't happened often, actually never, so the leads aren't close to wearing out yet, but like my horse Trigger, I like having it with me. I firmly believe that as long as you have a tool with you, nothing that you can fix with that tool will ever break. Matt Roberds I was trouble shooting a car. Battery kept discharging. I attached ammeter into battery connection. After computer sleep, everything was good for a while. Then it would keep drawing current at intervals. After sitting in car I heard clicks. Click found to be coming from trunk. Bad radio antenna contacts trying to pull down antenna. Solution, pull relay with antenna extended. Greg |
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On 12/12/2013 11:44 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
"Jennifer Murphy" wrote in message ... What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Digital is easy to read but unless I'm doing hi spec work, I prefer the old analog type. For one think, it's easier to see changes in reading with the needle swinging back and forth. If you every want to check the engine error codes, I can be difficult to do it with a digital meter. $5-30 should get you something decent. I bought one at Radio Shack about 10 years ago for $25 that I could connect to a computer and record a time trace. One of my LCD meters has a bar beneath the numbers and it moves like a needle on an analog meter. It's a Beckman Industrial RMS225 that I've owned for many years. I believe it came out in 1990 and it's been a very good meter in my collection of test equipment. Here's a picture of one like mine without the rubber case that mine has but the one pictured in the link has the Wavetk name on it. ^_^ http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WAVETEK-RMS225-DIGITAL-MULTIMETER-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMDY2/$(KGrHqVHJDEE-Pd2NeuRBPqU2WSuhw~~60_57.JPG http://preview.tinyurl.com/kf5cyr4 http://preview.tinyurl.com/n3tkwds TDD |
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 05:22:12 -0800, Jennifer Murphy
wrote: What should I look for in a digital multimeter for home use? I'd like to spend less than $50, if possible, but would be willing to spend more if it makes a big difference for home use. Any recommendations? Digital meters are great for someone who works on electronics. But for home use, such as measuring AC voltage. or 12volt car stuff, I much prefer an analog meter. Digitals like to pick up stray voltages and give oddball readings. I like to have a continuity buzzer that beeps. Nice feature. I have a quality Fluke digital meter for electronics, but for simple around the house stuff, I have a cheap analog meter that I believe I got at Walmart for around $12. A advocate buying quality tools, but those low cost meters seem to work just as well, and if you accidentally blow them up, by testing an AC outlet in the Ohm's scale, you are not out much money. It's easy to forget to change the switch and blow them up. |
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That is bull **** .." stray " what?
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On 12/14/2013 3:56 PM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
That is bull **** .." stray " what? Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with farm animals. ^_^ TDD |
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