On 12/6/2013 10:40 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.


One friend of mine left the torch head on the
tank, in back of his Ford truck. He says he's
not sure how, but the propane explosion put
him in the hospital for a while with burns. I
suspect he leaned in, and lit a cigarette. I
suspect the valve on the torch got opened, and
he didn't notice the propane odor.

He's lost two Ford trucks. The other one was
when welding, and a spark landed on the carpet
in the back, and took off from there.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:56:27 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:46:59 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year

Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.

Cite?

The instructions here say otherwise. Read the section on Storage.

http://www.bernzomatic.com/docs/1500_2301_AL30.pdf

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:14:19 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 8:05 PM, wrote:
Next time you buy a full cylinder, do you think the store
would allow you to weigh a returned empty as well?

In the US, they are not returned. They are disposible. (Which I always
felt was wrong).

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.

I've heard that Coleman brand are less likely
to leak than Ozark Trail. Just like Dietz oil
lamps less likely to leak than Ozark Trail.
"Ozark Trail" is cheap-assed Chinese Wal-Mart crap - of course it
will leak

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:40:15 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

On 12/6/13 7:05 PM, wrote:

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.


That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.
I've never had a "berznomatic" or "worthington" cyl leak, but it's
to the point I won't remove a coleman cyl anymore unless it is to move
it to a different "appliance". Better than half of them leak -
regardless of temperature.

Refilling is not a good idea - as transporting a refilled 1 pounder
(single use) tank is illegal.

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 4:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 7:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....


How would water get in the cylinder?


Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.



At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?
He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 07:40:13 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 9:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.

Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72...84_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

Perhaps water could get in if someone was refilling them with REALLY
crappy adapters that were left out in the rain.

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 4:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 7:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....


How would water get in the cylinder?


Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.



At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?
He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.

My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.

Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.

My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 4:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 7:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....


How would water get in the cylinder?


Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.



At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?
He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.

My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.

Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.

My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.
The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.

On 12/7/2013 11:08 AM, wrote:
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72...84_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

Can't say as I remember ever hearing the FD called
to a picnic table fire. Do you have an online link?

Sounds like fun.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 4:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 7:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....


How would water get in the cylinder?


Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.



At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?
He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.

My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.

Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.

My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.
The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.


I'm not doubting you, but what kind of picnic table?

In all the years I've been using portable grills I've even never scorched a
table, let alone burned a hole in one. When I camp I have a couple of
wooden cabinets that I made to transport and hold our kitchen stuff. They
get put up on stands and then a 2' x 4 piece of plywood goes across the
gap and the grill and stove go on top. The grill has never even scorched
the plywood.

On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 16:11:42 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/7/2013 11:08 AM, wrote:
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72...84_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

Set most of them on a picnic table and they light the table on fire.
The vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with no certification - and
are useless at best, and dangerous in many cases.

Can't say as I remember ever hearing the FD called
to a picnic table fire. Do you have an online link?

Sounds like fun.
Who needs an online link. I've had it happen. Didn't need the fire
department - just a pail of river water. - didn't actually flame, but
charred about 1/4 inch deep. In Algonquin Park.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 00:14:00 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:38:59 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:12:36 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/6/2013 4:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 7:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I have a cylinder in my garage at this very moment that I can hear/feel
liquid moving around when I shake it, yet when I hook it up to my portable
grill, the burner will not ignite.

Not necessarily liquid propane, right? Might be
water, or ....


How would water get in the cylinder?


Just for giggles, you may want to tip the
cylinder upside down, and open the tank
valve. See if a bunch of rusty water comes
out. Might not work with OPD that needs a
device attached. Put your 16 ounce refil
adaptor on, to fake out the thread valve.



At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?
He DID say a portable grill. I've had a couple of those useless 1.5 sq
ft (at best) portable grills, and unless it's a high end brand like a
Weber they are all useless. Can't keep them lit with the lid closed on
most of them.

I've had a few portable grills in the past few decades. I have never had a
problem keeping them lit with the lid closed. In fact, the opposite is
true. I've had trouble keeping them cool enough with the lid closed. Low is
not usually low enough and I sometimes prop the lid open an inch or two to
help control the heat.

My current grill is a Sunbeam and I think it's the best I've had.

Useless? When I think back over the countless family picnics, sporting
event tailgating sessions, camping trips and lunches in the park with
SWMBO, "useless" is not a word I would assign to a portable grill.

My kids come by to borrow mine quite often these days, so as my use of it
for them trails off, their direct use of it increases.
The Sunbeam and Weber are the only ones I've used that HAVE worked -
and the Sunbeam did burn a hole in the picnic table.


I'm not doubting you, but what kind of picnic table?

In all the years I've been using portable grills I've even never scorched a
table, let alone burned a hole in one. When I camp I have a couple of
wooden cabinets that I made to transport and hold our kitchen stuff. They
get put up on stands and then a 2' x 4’ piece of plywood goes across the
gap and the grill and stove go on top. The grill has never even scorched
the plywood.
It was 2X8 pine or spruce - Parks Canada issue - Algonquin Park - Pog
Lake Campground if I remember correctly.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 9:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.

Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72...84_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

I got a grill I bough at rite aid for $20 I use frequently. It's even got
Thermometer.
Been using It at camp, but it's been around. If I saw it again, I would buy
it, especially at $20. Sometimes you find amazing deals.

I also have a Coleman grill plate, not as useful. Another cheap propane two
burner stove I keep as spare. Also a Coleman liquid gas two burner stove, I
used mostly when we camped in tents.


Greg

gregz wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/6/2013 9:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
At the risk of repeating myself....

Cylinder, not tank. This whole thread is about the small propane cylinders,
not the 20 lb tanks.

So, you shook a 14.1 and hooked it up to
your grill, which didn't ignite? Really?

Really.

Actually, it was a 16.4 oz. You'll note that I said portable grill.

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/72...84_500X500.jpg

That is so incredibly helpful. When people write
gas grill, I think of the pedestal type, with the
twenty pounder. Thanks for correcting the oops,
and clearing that up.

Those table top grills sure can be wonderful. Take
them on picnics. And thy can be used to cook when
the electric is off, and the electric range is cold.
Not recommended to use indoors for heat, but when
things are desperate. I do remember a friend who had
a winter power cut, and used that and several other
propane devices to fight the cold.

How water would get into one of them tanks? Only
if done at the factory. The other thing, is that when
the tank is cold (such as being outdoors these days)
the temperature and pressure in the tank fall. If
you warm the tank a bit, the pressure may come back
to normal. I've had that happen when I was trying to
warm a camp building in the winter, while doing some
rewiring.

I got a grill I bough at rite aid for $20 I use frequently. It's even got
Thermometer.
Been using It at camp, but it's been around. If I saw it again, I would buy
it, especially at $20. Sometimes you find amazing deals.

I also have a Coleman grill plate, not as useful. Another cheap propane two
burner stove I keep as spare. Also a Coleman liquid gas two burner stove, I
used mostly when we camped in tents.


Greg

I usually shake the tank. Works for me.

That grill I bought 4-5 years ago for $20 at rite aid looks similar to
this...

http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden...0/product.html

Greg

On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:58:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying
to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra
cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.

I suppose you only keep one can of soup in your house, unless you plan
to eat one in the short term?

And heaven forbid you keep an extra set of flashlight batteries on hand,
or a light bulb....... or spare pair of underwear in case you poop your
pants!

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:40:15 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

On 12/6/13 7:05 PM, wrote:

The valves aren't useful after the first use. You're not supposed to
even take the torch off the tank until it's empty. They *will* leak.
Some refill them from 20# tanks but it's a *really* bad idea.


That's something else I've never heard before. I routinely take
the torch off the bottle at work. They ride in the service panels of my
work pickup that way.
I've had the valves fail open a few times over the years. It seems
like it's during cold weather. I want to say somewhere in the mid teens
F or colder.
I'll have to look at the destructions on a bottle if they're still
legible.

I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.

I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

On 12/8/2013 5:35 AM, wrote:

I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.

I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.

Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.

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Learn about Jesus
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..

Home depot closes at 10pm .. Go buy another one moron. They are under $10.

On 12/8/2013 6:19 AM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
Home depot closes at 10pm .. Go buy another one moron. They are
under $10.


Killer Loon, living proof that human women should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:11:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/8/2013 5:35 AM, wrote:

I *ALWAYS* take the torch head off the cylinder when I complete a job.
Some torches leak, they can get bumped and turned on a little. Then you
wasted a full tank of gas.

I always keep them indoors in cold weather. When they get cold, they
dont work right. And that is when they are usually needed the most,
when a pipe freezes or something like that. Even those bic cigarette
lighters dont work if they sit in a cold car. You have to warm them in
your hands before they will light.

I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.

Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.
MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

On 12/8/2013 9:21 AM, wrote:
I agree with this. Oh, Mapp gas is worse than propane,
for cold tank performance. I'm not sure about Mapp Pro,
but it's got to be much the same. On Ice Road Truckers,
the guys use propane torch, but never see Mapp
cylinders. I'd guess this is why.

MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

You know, that's plenty sensible. I use Mapp for
silver soldering refrigeration lines. Sometimes it's
hot enough for stick brazing. For small lines.

Propane for thawing lines, I guess. Sounds right.


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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 00:24:03 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:58:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I guess I should have asked for POLITE IDEAS. Anyway, I am trying
to clean up my workbench and workshop and would rather not have an extra
cylinder around unless I will be needing it in the short term.

I suppose you only keep one can of soup in your house, unless you plan
to eat one in the short term?

And heaven forbid you keep an extra set of flashlight batteries on hand,
or a light bulb....... or spare pair of underwear in case you poop your
pants!

I'm sure you need them frequently, HomoGay.

On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 09:21:37 -0500, wrote:


Butane performance in cold is worse than propane.

I guess so. Those cig lighters are butane and they just dont work in
cold.

MAPP is so much more expensive than propane (up here anyway) and the
extra heat output is not that important for thawing air lines etc.
Even for thawing water pipes, propane is adequate.

Mapp is only for welding / brazing. No sense paying the extra just for
normal use like thawing pipes.

Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen. Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in case temperature over a height difference of one inch. Tank is about half full.

On 12/9/2013 6:04 PM, wrote:
Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in
the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen.
Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my
temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in
case temperature over a height difference of one
inch. Tank is about half full.

I'd be tempted to buy a full one, and repeat the
test. If a tank is filled to half the length of the
tank, it may actually be 7/8 full. You aren't
sure, yet....

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Learn about Jesus
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On 12/9/13 5:36 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/9/2013 6:04 PM, wrote:
Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in
the frig, and then brought it out into the kitchen. Waited about 8
minutes and then scanned it with my temperature IR scanner. Very
distinct change in case temperature over a height difference of one
inch. Tank is about half full.


I'd be tempted to buy a full one, and repeat the test. If a tank is
filled to half the length of the tank, it may actually be 7/8 full.
You aren't sure, yet....


Now that you mention it, 85% is the fill limit on the 500 and 1000
gallon tanks for agricultural and home heating use.

wrote:
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75" diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

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On 12/9/2013 9:07 PM, willshak wrote:

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.


Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

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Christopher A. Young
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:37:44 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 12/9/2013 9:07 PM, willshak wrote:

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.


Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.
Make sure the light in the freezed goes out when you close the
freezer.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/9/2013 9:07 PM, willshak wrote:

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.


Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.


All you have to do is pour a cup of warm water over the side. I did it with
a large tank at camp. Work well. Surprised it was almost fill.

Greg

willshak wrote:
wrote:
I have a standard hand-held Benzomatic propane torch, probably 35+ years
old. Fortunately I have never run out of gas in the middle of an
important project, and I do have 3 hardware stores within a five minute
drive. But I sometimes do projects late at nite after the stores would
be closed, and it would be nice to know when my propane cylinder (~2.75"
diameter, 11" long)is about to run out.
I could weigh an empty cylinder, but that could be tomorrow or late next
year, I don't have a clue how much my present cylinder has been used. Ideas ???

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.

How much spot could a spotlight light if a spotlight could light spot?

I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

On 12/9/2013 9:37 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/9/2013 9:07 PM, willshak wrote:

I have a spotlight that I have had for years. I want to know how much
light I have used, and how much light is left in the spotlight.


Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.

Years ago, my Dad worked in the training department
of Eastman Kodak. One of his bits of wisdom
"Yesterday's solutions will be applied to today's
problems, when they are not appropriate."

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 12/9/2013 10:13 PM, wrote:
Well, silly. Put it in the freezer over night,
and then warm it for a few minutes. Check it
with IR thermometer to find out.
Make sure the light in the freezed goes out when you close the
freezer.

Check with IR thermom?

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 12/10/2013 12:08 AM, wrote:
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!


Second!

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 12/10/2013 7:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:08 AM, wrote:
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!


Second!


Dang! I haven't made any profane, nasty remarks or questioned anyone's
parentage yet. o_O

TDD

On 12/10/2013 8:28 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/10/2013 7:20 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:08 AM, wrote:
I move to CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!


Second!


Dang! I haven't made any profane, nasty remarks or questioned anyone's
parentage yet. o_O

TDD
Let me tell you why Islam is the world's fastest
growing religion. got a couple hours? It all
started when the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was
visited one day by God, and told that all the
other groups were wrong. There was no one greater
than Allah (PBUH), and Muhammed (PBUH)was to
teach God's last and final message.


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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Thank you Emma Genius.

I chilled the propane cylinder overnight in the frig, and then brought it
out into the kitchen. Waited about 8 minutes and then scanned it with my
temperature IR scanner. Very distinct change in case temperature over a
height difference of one inch. Tank is about half full.

Is the full and empty weights not stamped on the cylinder?