No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to
rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will
prevent you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product strategy
through which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on your driving
and ships it all back to the manufacturer.

Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and which
you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the monthly
battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes out of
business, your Renault is bricked.
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html

More at
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy

Moe DeLoughan writes:

No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to
rent it.

And how do you define that as Communism?

Too often we use words for effect instead of meaning.
It may or may not be a good deal, but I don't see any politics there.

--
Dan Espen

On 11/14/2013 11:51 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to
rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will prevent
you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product strategy through
which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on your driving and ships it
all back to the manufacturer.

Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and which
you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the monthly
battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes out of
business, your Renault is bricked.
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html

More at
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy

That approach is more representative of Capitalism that it is of Communism.

Don

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:18:19 PM UTC-5, IGot2P wrote:
That approach is more representative of Capitalism that it is of Communism.

The Limbaugh Theorem "Low Information" Corollary, Capitalism vs. Communism:

It's only Capitalism if you are the one profiting from it. Otherwise, it is Communism.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will
own all:

hey moe, free clue...................
don't buy a Renault

On 11/14/2013 2:18 PM, ChairMan wrote:
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will
own all:

hey moe, free clue...................
don't buy a Renault


When corps rule, isn't that fascism?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Stormin Mormon wrote in news:Xs9hu.410744
:

On 11/14/2013 2:18 PM, ChairMan wrote:
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will
own all:

hey moe, free clue...................
don't buy a Renault


When corps rule, isn't that fascism?



What about when corpses rule? That's called zombie-ism, and it's the latest
craze. I'm even seeing zombie stick-man-family stickers in minivan windows.


--
Tegger

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:25:43 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 11/14/2013 2:18 PM, ChairMan wrote:
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will
own all:

hey moe, free clue...................
don't buy a Renault


When corps rule, isn't that fascism?

No that's when government is in bed with corps.

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:25:43 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 11/14/2013 2:18 PM, ChairMan wrote:
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will
own all:

hey moe, free clue...................
don't buy a Renault


When corps rule, isn't that fascism?

No that's when government is in bed with corps.

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate
and government power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and
government power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini


Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/benito_mussolini.html#IOEoFK8BtEdimLq1.99"Fascism
should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state
and corporate power"
Benito Mussolini

On 11-14-2013, 23:56, Bob F wrote umpteen times:
Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...mLq1.99Fascism
should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and
government power.
Benito Mussolini

We heard you the first time.

--
Wes Groleau

From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
O God of Truth, deliver us.
--Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
--Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
--ancient prayer
--unknown
--(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:51:05 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to
rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will
prevent you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product strategy
through which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on your driving
and ships it all back to the manufacturer.

Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and which
you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the monthly
battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes out of
business, your Renault is bricked.
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html

More at
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy

There is one obvious flaw with Renault's marketing policy. If
consumers can't own the complete vehicle they won't buy it.

Besides, how long would it take a disgruntled "renter" to hack the
memory and defeat it? Not long... unless of course they work for
Kathleen Sebelius.

On 11/14/2013 1:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:51:05 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to
rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will
prevent you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product strategy
through which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on your driving
and ships it all back to the manufacturer.

Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and which
you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the monthly
battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes out of
business, your Renault is bricked.
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html

More at
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy

There is one obvious flaw with Renault's marketing policy. If
consumers can't own the complete vehicle they won't buy it.

If all the manufacturers get on board, you will eventually have no
choice. That's how it works. Intel is producing a version of this
called TPM, the Trusted Platform Module, which is (like the Renault
example) hardware-related DRM. Among other uses, it can be employed to
prevent copying or viewing of media. It can also be used to monitor
the use of the product in which it is embedded, and report back. So
we're back to privacy and rights issues for the individual 'owner'.

Besides, how long would it take a disgruntled "renter" to hack the
memory and defeat it? Not long... unless of course they work for
Kathleen Sebelius.

And then you're discovered to have violated the TOS, for which you are
subject to either civil or criminal prosecution, depending on what
legislation the industry lobbyists are able to get governments to pass
on their behalf. Case in point: Monsanto and its genetically modified
seeds.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:48:39 PM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:51:05 -0600, Moe DeLoughan

wrote:



No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:



You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have to

rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will

prevent you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product strategy

through which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on your driving

and ships it all back to the manufacturer.



Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and which

you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the monthly

battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes out of

business, your Renault is bricked.

http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html



More at

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy



There is one obvious flaw with Renault's marketing policy. If

consumers can't own the complete vehicle they won't buy it.



If all the manufacturers get on board, you will eventually have no

choice. That's how it works.


Yes, just like if all the suppliers of milk decided
to only offer it in 55 gallon drums. How likely do you
think that is? Why wouldn't other car manufacturers
offer you different alternatives? Good grief!



Intel is producing a version of this

Intel is making cars?



called TPM, the Trusted Platform Module, which is (like the Renault

example) hardware-related DRM. Among other uses, it can be employed to

prevent copying or viewing of media. It can also be used to monitor

the use of the product in which it is embedded, and report back. So

we're back to privacy and rights issues for the individual 'owner'.



Good grief. The Intel TPM is a security feature for server platforms.
If you don't like it don't buy it. Ever hear of AMD?





Besides, how long would it take a disgruntled "renter" to hack the

memory and defeat it? Not long... unless of course they work for

Kathleen Sebelius.



Which only goes to defeat your paranoid argument.





And then you're discovered to have violated the TOS, for which you are

subject to either civil or criminal prosecution, depending on what

legislation the industry lobbyists are able to get governments to pass

on their behalf. Case in point: Monsanto and its genetically modified

seeds.

Ah yes, throw in Monsanto for good measure. If you don't want to buy
soybean seeds from Monsanto, buy them from 100 other vendors.

What a hippie loon.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:51:05 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

No more individual ownership . . . the corporations will own all:

You can't buy a battery for the new Renault Zoe. Instead, you have
to rent it. And if you stop making payments, the battery's DRM will
prevent you from recharging it. It's part of a larger product
strategy through which the Zoe collects huge amounts of data on
your driving and ships it all back to the manufacturer.

Just what the world needed: a car you're not allowed to own, and
which you can't use anymore if you lose your job and can't pay the
monthly battery rental fee. And if Renault's battery provider goes
out of business, your Renault is bricked.
http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/ren...kable-car.html

More at
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/1...onsumers-crazy

There is one obvious flaw with Renault's marketing policy. If
consumers can't own the complete vehicle they won't buy it.

If all the manufacturers get on board, you will eventually have no
choice. That's how it works.

Some years ago, I read about Microsofts plan to only "rent" software. You'd have
to pay regularly to keep using it. How's that one going?

I would just not buy such products. There will always be plenty of businesses
offering alternatives.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:00:54 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:



Some years ago, I read about Microsofts plan to only "rent" software. You'd have
to pay regularly to keep using it. How's that one going?

I would just not buy such products. There will always be plenty of businesses
offering alternatives.


They offer it with Office 360. I think it is $10 a month.

On 11-15-2013, 05:51, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:00:54 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:
Some years ago, I read about Microsofts plan to only "rent" software. You'd have
to pay regularly to keep using it. How's that one going?

I would just not buy such products. There will always be plenty of businesses
offering alternatives.

They offer it with Office 360. I think it is $10 a month.

Office 365. You only have to take a day off once every four years.

But (as far as I know), they continue to offer the version that makes
you take a week off at unannounced random times.


--
Wes Groleau

€œStatistics are like bikinis.
What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.€�
€” Aaron Levenstein

On 11-15-2013, 00:00, Bob F wrote:
I would just not buy such products. There will always be plenty of businesses
offering alternatives.

Until the government gets involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtxcKT-u_Y

Disingenuously leaves out one important detail (spot it?),
but is still more informative than most of the fluff in
the media.

--
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you
what can't be done and why. Then do it.
€” Robert A. Heinlein