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Why are turbine vents no good???
On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote:
Your roofer is an idiot. But you prefer the turbines, and you have found a roofer that is unable to properly install ridge vents. It is indeed nice to see people find each other. But on a particularly hot day, with no breeze, see how fast those turbines are spinning. Not at all? Why shucks, what a surprise. Higher rate of ventilation? Naah, doing the math would obviously tax your poor roofer's tender brain, there are knuckle-draggers in every profession. But I do hate to see a ridge vent referred to as restrictive. At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes your roofer. BUT, read the warranty for the roofing shingles your roofer applies. See how many square feet of ventilation opening there needs to be, divided between peak and soffit, AS A MINIMUM TO KEEP THE WARRANTY FROM BEING VOID. I happen to know what it is for Owens-Corning, and they don't say that it doesn't apply if you install turbines. Al wrote in message .. . Why do you think Turbine Vents are no good? My roofer says that ridge vents often leak, and they get plugged up after a year or two. He says that turbine vents are much better, provide a higher rate of ventilation, and provide consistent ventilation over a restrictive ridge vent. I mounted my turbine vents according to the instructions just one foot below the peak. They cannot be seen from the front or sides of my house. The ridge vents are damn ugly to me and my wife. Al "Thomas G. Baker" wrote in message ... Absolutely correct. Mr. Baugh is right again. The issue has been discussed frequently and the answer is always the same. TB Michael Baugh wrote: Start with ridge venting, and I prefer metal rather than some plastic product, especially in the hot sun. And have the sections sealed with 50 year pure silicone. And after the roof job, put in more soffit venting to support the process. Turbine vents? Powered vents? Not even a consideration. IMO. wrote in message ... I have to replace my composite shingle roof because of hail damage. I live in San Antonio, TX The house is a 1 story, 1900 sq. ft. 8 years old. The roofing material is 3 tab 20 year composite. Should I install the regular spin turbines on the roof for ventilation, or ridge vents, or powered turtle vents? I want the most effective efficient ventilation possible for my house. Thanks for your suggestions. So let me clarify this for the "knuckle draggers" and "idiots"....12 square inches equals one square foot???????.......ok einstein. You may want to rethink that one, perhaps 144 square inches equals one square foot. |
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:47:43 -0500, philo* wrote
in Re Why are turbine vents no good???: On 10/25/2013 05:35 PM, wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Speak about dumb...the original post is 12 years old! It takes a while for gmail users to catch onto something. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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On 10/25/2013 10:47 PM, philo wrote:
On 10/25/2013 05:35 PM, wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Speak about dumb...the original post is 12 years old! Yeah, but by now the original poster is probably considering a new roof so still applies. Just saying. |
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Why are turbine vents no good???
On 10/26/2013 7:05 AM, micky wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Your roofer is an idiot. But you prefer the turbines, and you have found a roofer that is unable to properly install ridge vents. It is indeed nice to see people find each other. But on a particularly hot day, with no breeze, see how fast those turbines are spinning. Not at all? Why shucks, what a surprise. Higher rate of ventilation? Naah, doing the math would obviously tax your poor roofer's tender brain, there are knuckle-draggers in every profession. But I do hate to see a ridge vent referred to as restrictive. At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes your roofer. BUT, read the warranty for the roofing shingles your roofer applies. See how many square feet of ventilation opening there needs to be, divided between peak and soffit, AS A MINIMUM TO KEEP THE WARRANTY FROM BEING VOID. I happen to know what it is for Owens-Corning, and they don't say that it doesn't apply if you install turbines. Al wrote in message .. . Why do you think Turbine Vents are no good? My roofer says that ridge vents often leak, and they get plugged up after a year or two. He says that turbine vents are much better, provide a higher rate of ventilation, and provide consistent ventilation over a restrictive ridge vent. I mounted my turbine vents according to the instructions just one foot below the peak. They cannot be seen from the front or sides of my house. The ridge vents are damn ugly to me and my wife. Al "Thomas G. Baker" wrote in message ... Absolutely correct. Mr. Baugh is right again. The issue has been discussed frequently and the answer is always the same. TB Michael Baugh wrote: Start with ridge venting, and I prefer metal rather than some plastic product, especially in the hot sun. And have the sections sealed with 50 year pure silicone. And after the roof job, put in more soffit venting to support the process. Turbine vents? Powered vents? Not even a consideration. IMO. wrote in message ... I have to replace my composite shingle roof because of hail damage. I live in San Antonio, TX The house is a 1 story, 1900 sq. ft. 8 years old. The roofing material is 3 tab 20 year composite. Should I install the regular spin turbines on the roof for ventilation, or ridge vents, or powered turtle vents? I want the most effective efficient ventilation possible for my house. Thanks for your suggestions. So let me clarify this for the "knuckle draggers" and "idiots"....12 square inches equals one square foot???????... It would be better if you put your comments just under the line you are referring to. don't see anywhere where he says 12 sq.in. = 1 square foot. "At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet." 6' = 72" Which, by my calculations, comes out to 1 square foot. 2*72=144 I was told my house would look like a chicken coop if I wanted to go the turbine route. I have a ridge vent on the peak and so far no problems. I doubt my soffit vents were measured though. For all I know they don't even work. I have those large ridge vent openings on both sides of my attic. |
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On 10/26/2013 7:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Did you check the date of the post? Post from July 2001 probably not relevant any more. May as well just go-with-the-flow. Archived posts are popping up all over the place. Somebody said it's due to Google Groups. |
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On 10/26/2013 9:19 AM, gonjah wrote:
On 10/26/2013 7:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Did you check the date of the post? Post from July 2001 probably not relevant any more. May as well just go-with-the-flow. Archived posts are popping up all over the place. Somebody said it's due to Google Groups. Might be time for me to ask how to fix the leaky roof on the trailer I sold in 1992? -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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hhOn Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:52:51 -0500, gonjah
wrote: On 10/26/2013 7:05 AM, micky wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Your roofer is an idiot. But you prefer the turbines, and you have found a roofer that is unable to properly install ridge vents. It is indeed nice to see people find each other. But on a particularly hot day, with no breeze, see how fast those turbines are spinning. Not at all? Why shucks, what a surprise. Higher rate of ventilation? Naah, doing the math would obviously tax your poor roofer's tender brain, there are knuckle-draggers in every profession. But I do hate to see a ridge vent referred to as restrictive. At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes your roofer. BUT, read the warranty for the roofing shingles your roofer applies. See how many square feet of ventilation opening there needs to be, divided between peak and soffit, AS A MINIMUM TO KEEP THE WARRANTY FROM BEING VOID. I happen to know what it is for Owens-Corning, and they don't say that it doesn't apply if you install turbines. Al wrote in message .. . Why do you think Turbine Vents are no good? My roofer says that ridge vents often leak, and they get plugged up after a year or two. He says that turbine vents are much better, provide a higher rate of ventilation, and provide consistent ventilation over a restrictive ridge vent. I mounted my turbine vents according to the instructions just one foot below the peak. They cannot be seen from the front or sides of my house. The ridge vents are damn ugly to me and my wife. Al "Thomas G. Baker" wrote in message ... Absolutely correct. Mr. Baugh is right again. The issue has been discussed frequently and the answer is always the same. TB Michael Baugh wrote: Start with ridge venting, and I prefer metal rather than some plastic product, especially in the hot sun. And have the sections sealed with 50 year pure silicone. And after the roof job, put in more soffit venting to support the process. Turbine vents? Powered vents? Not even a consideration. IMO. wrote in message ... I have to replace my composite shingle roof because of hail damage. I live in San Antonio, TX The house is a 1 story, 1900 sq. ft. 8 years old. The roofing material is 3 tab 20 year composite. Should I install the regular spin turbines on the roof for ventilation, or ridge vents, or powered turtle vents? I want the most effective efficient ventilation possible for my house. Thanks for your suggestions. So let me clarify this for the "knuckle draggers" and "idiots"....12 square inches equals one square foot???????... It would be better if you put your comments just under the line you are referring to. don't see anywhere where he says 12 sq.in. = 1 square foot. "At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet." Where does this mention 12 square inches? 6' = 72" Which, by my calculations, comes out to 1 square foot. 2*72=144 Yes, it comes out to 1 square foot, but where do you get the left side of what you claimed it said, that is, the idea that it says 12 sq. in. are equal to that square foot? Where do you find "12 sq. in."? He does use the word lineal where most would say linear. I was told my house would look like a chicken coop if I wanted to go the turbine route. Or a factory, I suppose. I have a ridge vent on the peak and so far no problems. I doubt my soffit vents were measured though. But you can still describe them. You can measure their length while standing on the ground, and you can estimate their width while still on the ground too. I have a town house. Mine are the width of the town house, times 2 (front and back of the house), times about 8 inches. I'm sure that's more than enough. I have what is, iirc, sometimes called a powered vent. It's an electric fan in the pitched roof, near the top. I can't see it from the front or side, but if I could I wouldn't mind. It has a low profile, a brown top which goes nicely with the light brown shingles. I think it uses substantial current, but I haven't tried to measure. It has a thermostat and turns on between 10 AM and noon, and off between 6PM and midnight. On some very hot nights it may not turn off, which is bad. Maybe I should readjust the thermostat. I installed 2 switches, to turn it on when it was off or off when it was on. On when it would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower, but I don't take such showers so I'll never use that. Off when it would be on could be used those nights when it doesn't turn off, but when I do that, I forget to turn it back on the next morning. and maybe for days. I do however turn the fan off for late fall and early spring, when I use the heat in the attic to warm the house. Maybe if I had more insulation in the attic, that wouldn't work but maybe the attic heat wouldn't reach the house in mid-summer either. I also have a ridge vent the whole width of the house and it seems possible that air would come in that way and go right out through the fan, but the heavy layer of cottonwood seeds I used to get along their entire length show that a lot of air is coming in through the soffits. For all I know they don't even work. Why wouldn't they work? They're holes. How can a hole break? Two ways. 1) Someone allowed the attic insulation to cover the soffit vents. Go up in at dawn, before it gets hot, and you should be able to see the light coming through all the vents. If you don't, clear away the excess insulation or whatever. 2) Cottonwood or milkwood seeds have covered the vents from below (since the soffits afe probably screened. I used to have to remove a layer like felt from the screens every 10 years or so, but last summer the cottonwood tree fell down, and I think there is no other, so I think that problem is solved. You can't see the felt covering very well if you're 15 feet below, but you can probably look out a second floor window and see if you have to do clean it off. I have those large ridge vent openings on both sides of my attic. |
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Why are turbine vents no good???
On 10/26/2013 9:13 AM, micky wrote:
hhOn Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:52:51 -0500, gonjah wrote: On 10/26/2013 7:05 AM, micky wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Your roofer is an idiot. But you prefer the turbines, and you have found a roofer that is unable to properly install ridge vents. It is indeed nice to see people find each other. But on a particularly hot day, with no breeze, see how fast those turbines are spinning. Not at all? Why shucks, what a surprise. Higher rate of ventilation? Naah, doing the math would obviously tax your poor roofer's tender brain, there are knuckle-draggers in every profession. But I do hate to see a ridge vent referred to as restrictive. At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes your roofer. BUT, read the warranty for the roofing shingles your roofer applies. See how many square feet of ventilation opening there needs to be, divided between peak and soffit, AS A MINIMUM TO KEEP THE WARRANTY FROM BEING VOID. I happen to know what it is for Owens-Corning, and they don't say that it doesn't apply if you install turbines. Al wrote in message .. . Why do you think Turbine Vents are no good? My roofer says that ridge vents often leak, and they get plugged up after a year or two. He says that turbine vents are much better, provide a higher rate of ventilation, and provide consistent ventilation over a restrictive ridge vent. I mounted my turbine vents according to the instructions just one foot below the peak. They cannot be seen from the front or sides of my house. The ridge vents are damn ugly to me and my wife. Al "Thomas G. Baker" wrote in message ... Absolutely correct. Mr. Baugh is right again. The issue has been discussed frequently and the answer is always the same. TB Michael Baugh wrote: Start with ridge venting, and I prefer metal rather than some plastic product, especially in the hot sun. And have the sections sealed with 50 year pure silicone. And after the roof job, put in more soffit venting to support the process. Turbine vents? Powered vents? Not even a consideration. IMO. wrote in message ... I have to replace my composite shingle roof because of hail damage. I live in San Antonio, TX The house is a 1 story, 1900 sq. ft. 8 years old. The roofing material is 3 tab 20 year composite. Should I install the regular spin turbines on the roof for ventilation, or ridge vents, or powered turtle vents? I want the most effective efficient ventilation possible for my house. Thanks for your suggestions. So let me clarify this for the "knuckle draggers" and "idiots"....12 square inches equals one square foot???????... It would be better if you put your comments just under the line you are referring to. don't see anywhere where he says 12 sq.in. = 1 square foot. "At 2 square inches per each lineal inch, that's a square foot of opening every six feet." Where does this mention 12 square inches? 6' = 72" Which, by my calculations, comes out to 1 square foot. 2*72=144 Yes, it comes out to 1 square foot, but where do you get the left side of what you claimed it said, that is, the idea that it says 12 sq. in. are equal to that square foot? Where do you find "12 sq. in."? I donno. A misunderstanding? He does use the word lineal where most would say linear. I was told my house would look like a chicken coop if I wanted to go the turbine route. Or a factory, I suppose. I have a ridge vent on the peak and so far no problems. I doubt my soffit vents were measured though. But you can still describe them. You can measure their length while standing on the ground, and you can estimate their width while still on the ground too. I have a town house. Mine are the width of the town house, times 2 (front and back of the house), times about 8 inches. I'm sure that's more than enough. I have measured (at one point) and I think they were a little inadequate. My point was, I don't know what the soffit's air flow is. There could be insulation blocking some of them, and with my vaulted ceiling, I'm not going in there to see if there are obstructions. I have large "ridge vents" (not peak ridge vents, but I have those too) on both sides of my attic and I don't know how that effects the soffit's airflow. I do have peak ridge vents too so I'm guessing the ventilation is probably better than most. I'll admit I don't really know. I have what is, iirc, sometimes called a powered vent. It's an electric fan in the pitched roof, near the top. I can't see it from the front or side, but if I could I wouldn't mind. It has a low profile, a brown top which goes nicely with the light brown shingles. I think it uses substantial current, but I haven't tried to measure. It has a thermostat and turns on between 10 AM and noon, and off between 6PM and midnight. On some very hot nights it may not turn off, which is bad. Maybe I should readjust the thermostat. I installed 2 switches, to turn it on when it was off or off when it was on. On when it would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower, but I don't take such showers so I'll never use that. Off when it would be on could be used those nights when it doesn't turn off, but when I do that, I forget to turn it back on the next morning. and maybe for days. I do however turn the fan off for late fall and early spring, when I use the heat in the attic to warm the house. Maybe if I had more insulation in the attic, that wouldn't work but maybe the attic heat wouldn't reach the house in mid-summer either. I also have a ridge vent the whole width of the house and it seems possible that air would come in that way and go right out through the fan, but the heavy layer of cottonwood seeds I used to get along their entire length show that a lot of air is coming in through the soffits. For all I know they don't even work. Why wouldn't they work? They're holes. How can a hole break? Two ways. 1) Someone allowed the attic insulation to cover the soffit vents. Go up in at dawn, before it gets hot, and you should be able to see the light coming through all the vents. If you don't, clear away the excess insulation or whatever. Bingo...You'd have to see my attic. There is very little working room in over 70% of the attic. Parts are completely inaccessible. You cannot see or go near the inside of the soffits. I could remove the covers and see what I can see, but I doubt it would be much. I've looked at the ones I can inside the attic and they are fine. I'd have to assume the guys that put the insulation in years ago knew what they were doing on the rest of it. The vents look like they function, (they get lint on them) but if they are up to par, I don't know. 2) Cottonwood or milkwood seeds have covered the vents from below (since the soffits afe probably screened. I used to have to remove a layer like felt from the screens every 10 years or so, but last summer the cottonwood tree fell down, and I think there is no other, so I think that problem is solved. You can't see the felt covering very well if you're 15 feet below, but you can probably look out a second floor window and see if you have to do clean it off. I have those large ridge vent openings on both sides of my attic. See....with the large vents on both sides of the attic, I don't know if the soffits are doing much even if they are functioning properly. The vents on my attic are quite large. There used to be a attic fan and thermostat on one of the large vents, but when I installed the peak vents, I disconnected it. I figured it was a waste of electricity. |
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On Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:13:14 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
I have what is, iirc, sometimes called a powered vent. It's an electric fan in the pitched roof, near the top. I can't see it from the front or side, but if I could I wouldn't mind. It has a low profile, a brown top which goes nicely with the light brown shingles. I think it uses substantial current, A small fan like that doesn't use much power, but it does cost something and will add up over the years, when the alternative is free. but I haven't tried to measure. It has a thermostat and turns on between 10 AM and noon, and off between 6PM and midnight. On some very hot nights it may not turn off, which is bad. Maybe I should readjust the thermostat. If it runs all night it's definitely set too low. I installed 2 switches, to turn it on when it was off or off when it was on. On when it would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower, but I don't take such showers so I'll never use that. How is humidity getting into the attic from taking a shower? Something isn't right. Off when it would be on could be used those nights when it doesn't turn off, but when I do that, I forget to turn it back on the next morning. and maybe for days. I do however turn the fan off for late fall and early spring, when I use the heat in the attic to warm the house. Maybe if I had more insulation in the attic, that wouldn't work but maybe the attic heat wouldn't reach the house in mid-summer either. More insulation is going to have a bigger impact than the fan. I also have a ridge vent the whole width of the house and it seems possible that air would come in that way and go right out through the fan, but the heavy layer of cottonwood seeds I used to get along their entire length show that a lot of air is coming in through the soffits. Most pros and building science experts today recommend the ridge vent approach. Some argue that a powered fan is better, at least in some cases. But they seem to agree that you should have one or the other, never both because of the short circuiting effect. They say with a ridge vent you shouldn't even have gable vents, for the same reason. |
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On 10/26/2013 9:19 AM, gonjah wrote:
On 10/26/2013 7:15 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Did you check the date of the post? Post from July 2001 probably not relevant any more. May as well just go-with-the-flow. Archived posts are popping up all over the place. Somebody said it's due to Google Groups. I don't look at dates so I assume they are recent. OTOH, the subject is still meaningful and has generated much interest. |
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 00:41:38 -0500, CRNG
wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:47:43 -0500, philo* wrote in Re Why are turbine vents no good???: On 10/25/2013 05:35 PM, wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2001 23:32:52 UTC-4, Michael B wrote: Speak about dumb...the original post is 12 years old! It takes a while for gmail users to catch onto something. Google groupies aren't very bright. ...only one small step above Democrats. |
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:17:54 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: I installed 2 switches, to turn it on when it was off or off when it was on. On when it would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower, but I don't take such showers so I'll never use that. How is humidity getting into the attic from taking a shower? It isn't. That's the reason the instructions say to put in the second switch, to turn the fan on when the thermostat would keep it off. Since it took 5 extra minutes and 4 extra dollars to install the 2nd switch, I did so, in case the next owner of the house can benefit from it. Something isn't right. I don't know if it would or not if I ever took a long shower. I'm not going to do so and then riush up to the attic just to find out. |
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"CRNG" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:47:43 -0500, philo wrote snip -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. Date shown in my reader is 10/25/2013. Maybe Google re-populated or something, and things are filtering out to other severs, such as mine. Even checking the properties does not reveal the original posting date. Just sayin'... |
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On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:12:16 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:17:54 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: I installed 2 switches, to turn it on when it was off or off when it was on. On when it would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower, but I don't take such showers so I'll never use that. How is humidity getting into the attic from taking a shower? It isn't. You said: "On when it (attic fan) would be off is meant to remove the humidity from the attic after a long shower" So, what exactly do you mean? That's the reason the instructions say to put in the second switch, to turn the fan on when the thermostat would keep it off. Since it took 5 extra minutes and 4 extra dollars to install the 2nd switch, I did so, in case the next owner of the house can benefit from it. Something isn't right. I don't know if it would or not if I ever took a long shower. I'm not going to do so and then riush up to the attic just to find out. Good grief. Now we get to the bottom line. Do you have a vapor barrier installed? Proper attic ventilation besides just the electric fan? There are millions of houses out there with and without a power attic fan, I've never seen one with that needed it to be turned on if you took a shower. And I've never seen one without that needed it either. |
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