Hi All,

I am painting a (cheap) prehung primed door I bought from Home Depot with a
semigloss paint. I used Behr at first that I had leftover from another
project. It had a tiny bit of Floetrol in it to allow me a little more work
time. The gloss was blotchy and uneven.

So then I tried some Valspar paint (no Floetrol) but the color wasn't quite
right.

So, my final try was Glidden (no Floetrol again). I lightly sanded before
painting. The color is perfect but the sheen is still uneven and it looks
like the underlying paint is raising up and making it look really grainy.

Should I strip this mess off with a chemical stripper and start over? I
admit I am a dumb**** when it comes to painting so I really would like to
know what to do about this. Any help appreciated.

TIA,
James

"James Harvey" wrote in message
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Hi All,

I am painting a (cheap) prehung primed door I bought from
Home Depot with a semigloss paint. I used Behr at first
that I had leftover from another project. It had a tiny
bit of Floetrol in it to allow me a little more work
time. The gloss was blotchy and uneven.

So then I tried some Valspar paint (no Floetrol) but the
color wasn't quite right.

So, my final try was Glidden (no Floetrol again). I
lightly sanded before painting. The color is perfect but
the sheen is still uneven and it looks like the
underlying paint is raising up and making it look really
grainy.

Should I strip this mess off with a chemical stripper and
start over? I admit I am a dumb**** when it comes to
painting so I really would like to know what to do about
this. Any help appreciated.

These are the things I can think of that would affect sheen...

1. Not enough mixing of the paint. Paint - other than glossy - contains
flatting material and it needs to be evenly distributed.

2. Uneven application. The sheen changes as the paint dries/cures; the
final sheen doesn't appear until considerable time, a couple of weeks.
Until then, it will vary depending on the thickness of the paint film as it
is drying differentially; if appled evenly to a prepared surface, it will
appear much the same; if thicker here, thinner there, the sheen will be
irregular.

3. Improper surface preparation such that some areas are more absorbent than
others. With a pre-primed door, that is unlikely.

You said, "it looks like the underlying paint is raising up and making it
look really grainy." Hard to determine what you really mean but if you used
a brush either #1 and/or #2 could apply and what you characterize as grain
is actually brush marks.


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On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:10:03 -0500, James Harvey
wrote:

Any help appreciated.

Couple of thoughts:

- paint was applied to thick and / or not cured when you added other
coats (thin coats are better IMO)

-( surface was not cleaned (tact cloth removes dust, etc.)

- Temperature was not conducive to painting

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:10:03 PM UTC-4, James Harvey wrote:
Hi All,



I am painting a (cheap) prehung primed door I bought from Home Depot with a

semigloss paint. I used Behr at first that I had leftover from another

project.

I've had good results using paint that has been
around for quite a long time, but one has to wonder,
how old was this paint? And you mixed it up really
well?


It had a tiny bit of Floetrol in it to allow me a little more work

time. The gloss was blotchy and uneven.


You did use two coats, right? That Behr label does
say it can be used as it's own primer, right?
If it was the
gloss that was the issue, I wonder if there were
differences in the surface sanding finish of the
new door?



So then I tried some Valspar paint (no Floetrol) but the color wasn't quite

right.


I would have put on another coat of the Behr.




So, my final try was Glidden (no Floetrol again). I lightly sanded before

painting. The color is perfect but the sheen is still uneven and it looks

like the underlying paint is raising up and making it look really grainy.



Should I strip this mess off with a chemical stripper and start over? I

admit I am a dumb**** when it comes to painting so I really would like to

know what to do about this. Any help appreciated.


I'm using Behr Ultra Enamel Satin right now.
It's a little weird. When you roll it on, at first
it has a very rough, orange peel like look to it,
almost like it's sticking in spots and avoiding
other spots. I've never noticed that with a paint
before. But as you conintue to roll it as it's
starting to dry, it evens out and leaves an excellent finish.

Also, Behr interior paint was rated very high,
right up there with Benjamin Moore, by Consumer
Reports, so I doubt the paint is the problem.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 07:21:50 -0500, dadiOH wrote
(in article ):

"James Harvey" wrote in message
thlink.net
Hi All,

I am painting a (cheap) prehung primed door I bought from
Home Depot with a semigloss paint. I used Behr at first
that I had leftover from another project. It had a tiny
bit of Floetrol in it to allow me a little more work
time. The gloss was blotchy and uneven.

So then I tried some Valspar paint (no Floetrol) but the
color wasn't quite right.

So, my final try was Glidden (no Floetrol again). I
lightly sanded before painting. The color is perfect but
the sheen is still uneven and it looks like the
underlying paint is raising up and making it look really
grainy.

Should I strip this mess off with a chemical stripper and
start over? I admit I am a dumb**** when it comes to
painting so I really would like to know what to do about
this. Any help appreciated.

These are the things I can think of that would affect sheen...

1. Not enough mixing of the paint. Paint - other than glossy - contains
flatting material and it needs to be evenly distributed.

2. Uneven application. The sheen changes as the paint dries/cures; the
final sheen doesn't appear until considerable time, a couple of weeks.
Until then, it will vary depending on the thickness of the paint film as it
is drying differentially; if appled evenly to a prepared surface, it will
appear much the same; if thicker here, thinner there, the sheen will be
irregular.

3. Improper surface preparation such that some areas are more absorbent than
others. With a pre-primed door, that is unlikely.

You said, "it looks like the underlying paint is raising up and making it
look really grainy." Hard to determine what you really mean but if you used
a brush either #1 and/or #2 could apply and what you characterize as grain
is actually brush marks.




Thanks. The curing time and uneven application seems to be the factors here.
I had forgotten you can't really judge it until it cures.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:11:22 -0500, Oren wrote
(in article ):

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:10:03 -0500, James Harvey
wrote:

Any help appreciated.

Couple of thoughts:

- paint was applied to thick and / or not cured when you added other
coats (thin coats are better IMO)

-( surface was not cleaned (tact cloth removes dust, etc.)

- Temperature was not conducive to painting

Thanks. Looks like there were many issues I hadn't condidered.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:35:20 -0500, wrote
(in article ):

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:10:03 PM UTC-4, James Harvey wrote:
Hi All,



I am painting a (cheap) prehung primed door I bought from Home Depot with a

semigloss paint. I used Behr at first that I had leftover from another

project.

I've had good results using paint that has been
around for quite a long time, but one has to wonder,
how old was this paint? And you mixed it up really
well?


It had a tiny bit of Floetrol in it to allow me a little more work

time. The gloss was blotchy and uneven.


You did use two coats, right? That Behr label does
say it can be used as it's own primer, right?
If it was the
gloss that was the issue, I wonder if there were
differences in the surface sanding finish of the
new door?



So then I tried some Valspar paint (no Floetrol) but the color wasn't quite

right.


I would have put on another coat of the Behr.




So, my final try was Glidden (no Floetrol again). I lightly sanded before

painting. The color is perfect but the sheen is still uneven and it looks

like the underlying paint is raising up and making it look really grainy.



Should I strip this mess off with a chemical stripper and start over? I

admit I am a dumb**** when it comes to painting so I really would like to

know what to do about this. Any help appreciated.


I'm using Behr Ultra Enamel Satin right now.
It's a little weird. When you roll it on, at first
it has a very rough, orange peel like look to it,
almost like it's sticking in spots and avoiding
other spots. I've never noticed that with a paint
before. But as you conintue to roll it as it's
starting to dry, it evens out and leaves an excellent finish.

Also, Behr interior paint was rated very high,
right up there with Benjamin Moore, by Consumer
Reports, so I doubt the paint is the problem.



Thank you!

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:59:50 -0700, James Harvey
wrote:

...snip....

Thanks. The curing time and uneven application seems to be the factors
here.
I had forgotten you can't really judge it until it cures.


If the door has a 'built-in' grain to look more like wood, no idea what to
do. If the door is relatively flat surfaces; this is what I would do...

Get a sheet of 300-400 grain wt 'n' dry, flat plastic block [do NOT use
soft pad], and a couple of bottles of cheap Walmart Glass Cleaner, or you
can use Jet-Dri [costs more]

lay the door down flat, sand gently using the liquid to keep a slurry
going, don't go through the finish if possible [not a catastrophe, but
more like a set back] Wipe/clean the surface free of muck. Let dry. Vacuum
maybe, but definitely tack-rag! Then pour your finish into a throw away
container, use new brush, and flow the paint on. Do NOT work and rework
the paint, just let it go on. Let it cure 24 to 48 hours. Repeat the wet
'n' dry sanding procedure to get out little 'stipples' and really flatten
the surface. Dry and TACK RAG IT AGAIN! Using new container and new brush
[should be new, but not absolutely necessary] and flow on your final
coating.

Doing this will make the final results look like a formica surface FLAT!
Over time if there is wood underneath, the wood grain will reassert itself
and you'll have a great looking wood grain surface.