Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

--
..
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Learn about Jesus
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..

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

OK, that's going to be item 4, then.

..
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Learn about Jesus
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..

On 9/7/2013 10:42 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:42:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

I understand a trailer will burn to the frame in ~ 4 - 5 minutes.

Ed Pawlowski on Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:42:08 -0400 typed
in alt.survival the following:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Just use all the usual aids to prevent fire from getting out of
the fireplace and into the building. Might want to consider something
more along the lines of a "thermal mass" unit, which doesn't need a
fire going all the time.
I've seen some interesting adaptations of the "rocket stove" ideas
into "larger" heating units. The reports are that they have to be
reloaded "often", but they burn clean, don't need to be run that
often. (For some values of "often").

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. . . .
Anyone else have experience to share?

International Nickel and other mining companies supplied
their Northern Ontario prospecting teams in 1960 with 14 ft
by 16 ft tents by Woods Bag & Canvas similar to
http://www.canadianoutdoorequipment....tor-tents.html
which were equipped with asbestos rings and extra roof vents
to enable oil-drum wood-burning stoves for winter use. (Prospectors
work Dec.-March and May-October, avoiding the freeze and thaw
months when axe work is extra dangerous.) Users said the wood
stoves were smelly but practical.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

let them do it...evolution in action

May be bild a poll barn around yor trailor wood keep it warmer?

http://missouritrailertrash.com/polebarn.JPG

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also

There was a house fire where I grew up and iirc one of the kids died. The
father rebuit, using a fairly standard ranch house pattern that was popular
at the time. His refinement was every room in the house had an exterior
door.

On 9/7/2013 9:38 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?


Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer.

The thread you cloned this one from
Message-ID: in alt.survival
was about "camp" trailers used by sheep herders. Look at some the data
sheets on them. The windows are designed for emergency exit.

what to do in case of fire.

Best solution - don't have one.

External furnace. Isolated hot water or air into the trailer via
piping designed to be disconnect and reconnected easily.

Internal. Several layers of heat shields with natural or forced air
flow between them. As long as the outer shield can't get hot enough to
combust what's around it, you are good to go. Gets every bit of heat
out of the fuel too.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:12:24 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/7/2013 9:38 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?


Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

Why not make the bed into an ejectable escape capsule?


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

The country boy who lives in this trailer,
being discussed, would probably do such a
thing.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 9/7/2013 3:12 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Anyone else have experience to share?


Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

500 gal tank of water, located over the wood
stove, with a plastic bottom on the tank.
In case of fire, the whole 500 gal comes down.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 9/7/2013 3:12 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.

Stormin Mormon wrote in news8MWt.7928$eB.5445
@fx18.iad:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.



You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Sure you do. Firstly, the OP has to own one.

On 9/7/2013 2:50 PM, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.


Shaped charges of Semtex. O_o

TDD

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:49:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/7/2013 2:50 PM, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.


Shaped charges of Semtex. O_o

TDD
My brother has a zero clearance wood fireplace in his 50 foot
trailer. He had a fire start in the roof around the chimney, and
luckily was able to extinguish it with very minor damage. He then put
in a DOUBLE thimble to keep the heat from the stack away from the
framing.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:49:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/7/2013 2:50 PM, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.


Shaped charges of Semtex. O_o

TDD


Of course not.

Det cord. Course it may blow out the fire. Shrug


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

Takes brains to own one?

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/7/2013 5:37 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Sure you do. Firstly, the OP has to own one.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine might put a wood stove in his trailer. He's considering
safety factors, and what to do in case of fire.

Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The increased
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homes...#axzz2eFug6Nro

At that range, a 12 gage hole in the wall
isn't big enough to crawl through.

"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 9/7/2013 5:30 PM, Red Green wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote in news8MWt.7928$eB.5445
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
@fx18.iad:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"

.
Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.



You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

You know, best idea I've heard. The guy considering
the wood stove is ex-mil, and would really like that.

"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
www.lds.org
..

On 9/7/2013 6:49 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Years ago, I considered it. Check with my insurance agent. The
increased
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
insurance cost would have wiped out any heat savings.

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Shaped charges of Semtex. O_o

TDD

Not a bad thing.... having the fire blown out.

"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
..
Christopher A. Young
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/7/2013 7:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:49:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"

On 9/7/2013 2:50 PM, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 10:38:17 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:
Shaped charges of Semtex. O_o

TDD


Of course not.

Det cord. Course it may blow out the fire. Shrug


"The socialist movement takes great pains to "surge suppressor"
and "surge protector"circulate frequently new labels for its
ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another "surge suppressor"
and "surge protector"which raises hopes of an ultimate
solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious "surge
suppressor" and "surge protector"that nothing has been
changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism]
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"It is not commonly
realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"Socialism, and that
State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from
"surge suppressor" and "surge protector"the "classic" ideal
of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 20:22:07 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/7/2013 5:30 PM, Red Green wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote
On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is good. I'm sure he'll approve.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.

You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

With Stormin' you probably should point out the shot comes out the end
with the big hole.

At that range, a 12 gage hole in the wall isn't big enough to crawl through.

That's why you want a pump with a high capacity tube. (That's the
thing below the thing with the big hole where the shot comes out.)

Gunner Asch on Sat, 07 Sep 2013 13:06:44 -0700
typed in alt.survival the following:

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?


Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

Why not make the bed into an ejectable escape capsule?

Hatch beside the bed - in case of emergency, the bed pivots
lengthwise and "boomm" there you are outside.
Might want to make it so the system doesn't operate whilst one is
making the sign of the triple finned aardvark, if you know what I mean
(and I think you do). Unless you want a scene from a French farce.
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 23:08:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 07 Sep 2013 13:06:44 -0700
typed in alt.survival the following:

As to fire protection. I've heard of folks put a wye on the laundry cold
faucet, and hang a garden hose in the laundry room. I figure with a
trailer fire, the steps are
1) get everyone out,
2) call fire dept, and
3) you have about thirty seconds to put out the fire before you're dead
in there.

Anyone else have experience to share?


Explosive bolts to eject the whole back wall of the trailer allowing you
to roll out of the trailer no matter where you are. Of course, I'm
thinking outside the box. ^_^

TDD

Why not make the bed into an ejectable escape capsule?

Hatch beside the bed - in case of emergency, the bed pivots
lengthwise and "boomm" there you are outside.
Might want to make it so the system doesn't operate whilst one is
making the sign of the triple finned aardvark, if you know what I mean
(and I think you do). Unless you want a scene from a French farce.

ROFLMAO!!!!


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote in news8MWt.7928$eB.5445
:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.



You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 19:58:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Takes brains to own one?

Yeah, lefties need not apply. Gun cooties, ya' know.

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 17:42:11 -0400, wrote:

You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

....he blew his wad during the last gun control outrage after Newtown.

Dead smack in the middle of the gun grabbers.

Naah, he shoots his load in the air.


..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/8/2013 5:42 PM, wrote:
You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote in
news8MWt.7928$eB.5445 @fx18.iad:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.



You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

And then there's the previous VP. Not so much.

On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:17:52 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Red Green
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote in
news8MWt.7928$eB.5445 @fx18.iad:

I'd think chainsaw, or fire axe. But, shotgun is
good. I'm sure he'll approve.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/7/2013 3:50 PM, Red Green wrote:

I'd add a couple of more doors for escape to the outside also.

Get an Instant Door Anywhere Tool - aka shotgun.



You don't need any brains to run a shotgun :-)

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

And then there's the previous VP. Not so much.

The current VP (your hero) tells everyone to unload their weapon into
the air or, worse, through the door. The previous VP shoots a lawyer.
Yes, there definitely is a difference.

On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:23:05 -0400, wrote:

Even Uncle Joe Biden can run one. Well, until he's shot his load,
anyway.

And then there's the previous VP. Not so much.

The current VP (your hero) tells everyone to unload their weapon into
the air or, worse, through the door. The previous VP shoots a lawyer.
Yes, there definitely is a difference.

What crazy Uncle Joe did was tell the nation to fire in the air or
through the door.

Totally against the law - even his son, the State AG in his sate told
him he was wrong.

Bush made him say it, right?

What's just as bad. Is that you go out and fire
two blasts. Now, you're standing there with a
double that is loaded with two empty shells.
What good is that?

..
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On 9/9/2013 9:10 PM, Oren wrote:

What crazy Uncle Joe did was tell the nation to fire in the air or
through the door.

Totally against the law - even his son, the State AG in his sate told
him he was wrong.

Bush made him say it, right?

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:32:38 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

What's just as bad. Is that you go out and fire
two blasts. Now, you're standing there with a
double that is loaded with two empty shells.
What good is that?

An awkward club?

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:32:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:32:38 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

What's just as bad. Is that you go out and fire
two blasts. Now, you're standing there with a
double that is loaded with two empty shells.
What good is that?

An awkward club?

_'Joe Biden defense' case delayed until November_

“I did what Joe Biden told me to do. I went outside and fired my
shotgun in the air,”...

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/sep/10/case-joe-biden-defense-delayed-until-november/

Neighbors had a small pot belly heater in their single wide trailer. It
stayed so hot in the trailer that they had to leave front door open all the
time. Pot belly stoves are not the most efficient stoves in the world, but
they do get warm. The heat was probably a big fire hazard, so would
consider the hazards, and have the ability to get out of every room, even if
it takes chopping through the wall to get out.