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Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Brass ball peen hammer, brass anvil?
.. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Danny D. wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? If you were anyone else but the grandfather or grandmother, I would say it's not your place to touch it and you should let his parents (or whoever paid for it, decide what to do.) But still, I don't think there is anything you or I can do that will make it look original, or close enough that she won't notice if she ever picks it up, or if she looks at it while he's playing. Is there a place that make's trumpets nearby. Maybe they can put it in the form they use in the first place and sqeeze it down again. Or a music store that sells instruments can tell you who repairs them I would not use a hammer. It will put little dents in on top of the big dent and they will be harder to get out. If I were trying to do it myself I would get someone who is used to autobody work by hand**, or bending metal in general (I always bend metal, usually until it breaks, before I throw it away.) and have him do it by hand, with his thumbs in just the right place, moving them as necessary. **I've been able to make a 3 foot dent into a 6" dent, such that the first 2.5 feet look perfect, with my hands or my foot,, but usually I can't get the last 6" with just my hands or if I did, I know t here would be a wrinkle in it. . Of course that is steel and not brass, but it's thinner too. How old is he? Was he roughhousing or being careless or was it the kind of accident even an adult might have? How does it sound? Maybe if it has extra sounds, one can get rid of them without fully repairing it. Can he get by the way it is, until he decides he's serious about the trumpet and would want a better one anyhow? He seems to have done a lot of damage. Does that mean it's soft and a person can put it back with his thumbs, or did he drop it a long way? |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Did the kid drop it from the 5th or 6th floor? "There are no leftists in mainstream American politics. Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer." Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013 |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Gunner Asch fired this volley in
: Did the kid drop it from the 5th or 6th floor? That was the first question I had upon seeing it. I don't think he 'dropped' it. I think he got ****ed, and THREW it down. Maybe, given the cost to Momma for that horn, he should 'fess-up first, THEN seek to get it repaired. Any good musical instruments shop would have leads on brass horn repair people. Lloyd |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
"Danny D." wrote in message ... My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? That can be fixed, but it very easy to make it worse, so I suggest a professional. Call a school that still has a band and ask who does theirs. You won't get it back in time. Convince him to 'fess up. Don't rat him out though, nobody likes a stool pigeon. Paul K. Dickman |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Danny,
I think this is beyond simple repair. He's going to have to face Mom. I hope this is not a school rental. Dave M. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
micky wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? If you were anyone else but the grandfather or grandmother, I would say it's not your place to touch it and you should let his parents (or whoever paid for it, decide what to do.) But still, I don't think there is anything you or I can do that will make it look original, or close enough that she won't notice if she ever picks it up, or if she looks at it while he's playing. Is there a place that make's trumpets nearby. Maybe they can put it in the form they use in the first place and sqeeze it down again. Or a music store that sells instruments can tell you who repairs them I would not use a hammer. It will put little dents in on top of the big dent and they will be harder to get out. If I were trying to do it myself I would get someone who is used to autobody work by hand**, or bending metal in general (I always bend metal, usually until it breaks, before I throw it away.) and have him do it by hand, with his thumbs in just the right place, moving them as necessary. **I've been able to make a 3 foot dent into a 6" dent, such that the first 2.5 feet look perfect, with my hands or my foot,, but usually I can't get the last 6" with just my hands or if I did, I know t here would be a wrinkle in it. . Of course that is steel and not brass, but it's thinner too. How old is he? Was he roughhousing or being careless or was it the kind of accident even an adult might have? How does it sound? Maybe if it has extra sounds, one can get rid of them without fully repairing it. Can he get by the way it is, until he decides he's serious about the trumpet and would want a better one anyhow? He seems to have done a lot of damage. Does that mean it's soft and a person can put it back with his thumbs, or did he drop it a long way? Someone tried to bend it back in shape with their fingers. I see fingerprints around the damaged area in the second photo. This Youtube video shows how a trumpet is made The part of the video that shows how the damaged horn can be repaired starts at 1:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
willshak wrote:
micky wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif ....snip... Someone tried to bend it back in shape with their fingers. I see fingerprints around the damaged area in the second photo. This Youtube video shows how a trumpet is made The part of the video that shows how the damaged horn can be repaired starts at 1:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ The hammering part at 1:40 might be doable as a repair attempt, but there's no way you can spin the trumpet In a lathe. You'll note that all of the lathe work was done when the pipe was still straight. It was the lathe work that smoothed out the hammer marks. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Danny D. wrote:
My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Hi, I am a life time brass player, still do in a local community band with vintage euphonium. Is it expensive name brand horn? Or just student model Yamaha kind? Regardless take it to a shop they will do a good job so he can be ready for school next month. It looks easy to fix it but believe me, you can mess it up w/o experience and proper tools. I am sure local shops are already busy getting ready for rental program with their inventory. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Danny D. wrote:
Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif . . . What tools would straighten the horn out? "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Brass ball peen hammer, brass anvil? Since we cannot buy a brass anvil, i.e. would need to commission that one be constructed, the OP is likely to find professional repair would be cheaper. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Danny D. wrote:
My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Not a DIY job unless you have some metal working experience. Call a musical instrument shop and ank who they use. Alternatively, a shop that does custom body work or restoration or builds custom motorcycles. If the instrument is of some value, a pro can make it look like new with the right tools. Even a hack can make it without the big bend, but it will be visible. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:55:36 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
Gunner Asch fired this volley in : Did the kid drop it from the 5th or 6th floor? That was the first question I had upon seeing it. I don't think he 'dropped' it. I think he got ****ed, and THREW it down. If it's a student model horn, that damage can come from it being dropped. They're made from soft brass, and the student models are made light for little arms to hold up. (Pro trumpets are heavy because a stiffer horn sounds better). My kid did about half that much damage by knocking one off a chair, witnessed by SWMBO. I wouldn't take it anywhere but a shop that specifically does that kind of repair. There are specialized bucks that are made specifically for fixing that damage, and people experienced at doing the work. There'll be evidence of the repair -- the shop will make it sound good and look right from ten feet away, but close inspection will show creases. Confession is good or the soul (and the body, if you can't cover things up). Wally's Music in Oregon City, Oregon, if you live close enough. -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Dents add character, put a few more in it.
Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org "Danny D." wrote in message ... My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 08/19/2013 06:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
willshak wrote: This Youtube video shows how a trumpet is made The part of the video that shows how the damaged horn can be repaired starts at 1:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ The hammering part at 1:40 might be doable as a repair attempt, but there's no way you can spin the trumpet In a lathe. You'll note that all of the lathe work was done when the pipe was still straight. It was the lathe work that smoothed out the hammer marks. Not to mention that it will need to be annealed first so that the metal doesn't break. Definitely something that needs to go to a professional to be repaired. OP needs to 'fess up before further damage is done to the instrument. Jon |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
My hat's off (and most of my hair) to whomsoever
is spoofing me. You're doing better than I. .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 11:18 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Dents add character, put a few more in it. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Put the horn on the kid's head, and then
hammer. Use his head instead of brass anvil. Oh, you want to straighten out the horn, not the boy?? .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Danny D." wrote in message ... My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Heavy sedation for Mom, until the kid can go back
to school and get another trumpet? I mean, the school has to have a couple spares. Couple of large denomination bills, for the teacher. And, no one needs to know. .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 10:58 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: Since we cannot buy a brass anvil, i.e. would need to commission that one be constructed, the OP is likely to find professional repair would be cheaper. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
SNIP Someone tried to bend it back in shape with their fingers. I see fingerprints around the damaged area in the second photo. This Youtube video shows how a trumpet is made The part of the video that shows how the damaged horn can be repaired starts at 1:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ What a interesting video. Great craftsman work. WW |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:17 -0600, "WW"
wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ [...] What a interesting video. Great craftsman work. WW That was very interesting. Notice it stated to use a rawhide mallet - pounding brass. IIRC the show _ How It's Made_ had an episode on making tubas. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 19/08/13 18:00, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:17 -0600, "WW" wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ [...] What a interesting video. Great craftsman work. WW That was very interesting. Notice it stated to use a rawhide mallet - pounding brass. IIRC the show _ How It's Made_ had an episode on making tubas. Fairly standard when you don't want to compress and stretch the material to use a mallet head material softer than what you're working, rawhide is suitable for brass, copper. When I was doing some metal smithing of pewter in high school we used paper mallets as pewter (Britannia metal) is very soft. Unfortunately the mill that made them was old, the market small, and when OSHA wanted them to upgrade safety it wasn't worthwhile so they closed the company. Nylon was used instead but had to be used with care as it could mark pewter especially if the nylon surface was damaged. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:59:55 -0400, willshak
wrote: micky wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? If you were anyone else but the grandfather or grandmother, I would say it's not your place to touch it and you should let his parents (or whoever paid for it, decide what to do.) But still, I don't think there is anything you or I can do that will make it look original, or close enough that she won't notice if she ever picks it up, or if she looks at it while he's playing. Is there a place that make's trumpets nearby. Maybe they can put it in the form they use in the first place and sqeeze it down again. Or a music store that sells instruments can tell you who repairs them I would not use a hammer. It will put little dents in on top of the big dent and they will be harder to get out. If I were trying to do it myself I would get someone who is used to autobody work by hand**, or bending metal in general (I always bend metal, usually until it breaks, before I throw it away.) and have him do it by hand, with his thumbs in just the right place, moving them as necessary. **I've been able to make a 3 foot dent into a 6" dent, such that the first 2.5 feet look perfect, with my hands or my foot,, but usually I can't get the last 6" with just my hands or if I did, I know t here would be a wrinkle in it. . Of course that is steel and not brass, but it's thinner too. How old is he? Was he roughhousing or being careless or was it the kind of accident even an adult might have? How does it sound? Maybe if it has extra sounds, one can get rid of them without fully repairing it. Can he get by the way it is, until he decides he's serious about the trumpet and would want a better one anyhow? He seems to have done a lot of damage. Does that mean it's soft and a person can put it back with his thumbs, or did he drop it a long way? Someone tried to bend it back in shape with their fingers. I see fingerprints around the damaged area in the second photo. This Youtube video shows how a trumpet is made The part of the video that shows how the damaged horn can be repaired starts at 1:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8qfu-ojTQ A great video. I see three problems for the OP. Getting it on the lathe with the rest of the trumpet attached. Maybe that can be detached but just disconnecting my water heater pipes wasn't easy. Getting the temp down to, what, 40 below zero C? I guess that part has been done already. He may not have enough tattoos. Maybe someone can make a form and force the trumpet bell to fit it. What kind of hammer did they use. I couldn't hear. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:35:50 -0400, micky
wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? If you were anyone else but the grandfather or grandmother, I would say it's not your place to touch it and you should let his parents (or whoever paid for it, decide what to do.) But still, I don't think there is anything you or I can do that will make it look original, or close enough that she won't notice if she ever picks it up, or if she looks at it while he's playing. Is there a place that make's trumpets nearby. Maybe they can put it in the form they use in the first place and sqeeze it down again. Or a music store that sells instruments can tell you who repairs them I would not use a hammer. It will put little dents in on top of the big dent and they will be harder to get out. If I were trying to do it myself I would get someone who is used to autobody work by hand**, or bending metal in general (I always bend metal, usually until it breaks, before I throw it away.) and have him do it by hand, with his thumbs in just the right place, moving them as necessary. **I've been able to make a 3 foot dent into a 6" dent, such that the first 2.5 feet look perfect, with my hands or my foot,, but usually I can't get the last 6" with just my hands or if I did, I know t here would be a wrinkle in it. . Of course that is steel and not brass, but it's thinner too. How old is he? Was he roughhousing or being careless or was it the kind of accident even an adult might have? How does it sound? Maybe if it has extra sounds, one can get rid of them without fully repairing it. Can he get by the way it is, until he decides he's serious about the trumpet and would want a better one anyhow? He seems to have done a lot of damage. Does that mean it's soft and a person can put it back with his thumbs, or did he drop it a long way? Typically sandbags and specialized hammers and drifts are used This may help. Its not an uncommon problem..but it can be fairly expensive to fix "properly" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trumpet+repair+california Simply change the state to whatever state/provence you live in. "There are no leftists in mainstream American politics. Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer." Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013 |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
The kid can take it to school and get another one. Problem solved.
.. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 4:34 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:35:50 -0400, micky wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? If you were anyone else but the grandfather or grandmother, I would say it's not your place to touch it and you should let his parents (or whoever paid for it, decide what to do.) But still, I don't think there is anything you or I can do that will make it look original, or close enough that she won't notice if she ever picks it up, or if she looks at it while he's playing. Is there a place that make's trumpets nearby. Maybe they can put it in the form they use in the first place and sqeeze it down again. Or a music store that sells instruments can tell you who repairs them I would not use a hammer. It will put little dents in on top of the big dent and they will be harder to get out. If I were trying to do it myself I would get someone who is used to autobody work by hand**, or bending metal in general (I always bend metal, usually until it breaks, before I throw it away.) and have him do it by hand, with his thumbs in just the right place, moving them as necessary. **I've been able to make a 3 foot dent into a 6" dent, such that the first 2.5 feet look perfect, with my hands or my foot,, but usually I can't get the last 6" with just my hands or if I did, I know t here would be a wrinkle in it. . Of course that is steel and not brass, but it's thinner too. How old is he? Was he roughhousing or being careless or was it the kind of accident even an adult might have? How does it sound? Maybe if it has extra sounds, one can get rid of them without fully repairing it. Can he get by the way it is, until he decides he's serious about the trumpet and would want a better one anyhow? He seems to have done a lot of damage. Does that mean it's soft and a person can put it back with his thumbs, or did he drop it a long way? Typically sandbags and specialized hammers and drifts are used This may help. Its not an uncommon problem..but it can be fairly expensive to fix "properly" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trumpet+repair+california Simply change the state to whatever state/provence you live in. "There are no leftists in mainstream American politics. Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer." Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013 |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Tony, I always knew you were a blow hard.
Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org "Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Danny D. wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Hi, I am a life time brass player, still do in a local community band with vintage euphonium. Is it expensive name brand horn? Or just student model Yamaha kind? Regardless take it to a shop they will do a good job so he can be ready for school next month. It looks easy to fix it but believe me, you can mess it up w/o experience and proper tools. I am sure local shops are already busy getting ready for rental program with their inventory. |
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On 8/19/2013 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Danny D. wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Not a DIY job unless you have some metal working experience. Call a musical instrument shop and ank who they use. Alternatively, a shop that does custom body work or restoration or builds custom motorcycles. If the instrument is of some value, a pro can make it look like new with the right tools. Even a hack can make it without the big bend, but it will be visible. Yea, the motorcycle shop could even put some flame decals on the horn. ^_^ TDD |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
"David Billington" wrote in message
... ...Nylon was used instead but had to be used with care as it could mark pewter especially if the nylon surface was damaged. I wonder how well hot melt glue would work. It can be resurfaced with a hot air gun. jsw |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Then, the kid can eat beans and shove the trumpet. Strike a match.
.. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 5:45 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 8/19/2013 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/19/2013 5:44 AM, Danny D. wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Not a DIY job unless you have some metal working experience. Call a musical instrument shop and ank who they use. Alternatively, a shop that does custom body work or restoration or builds custom motorcycles. If the instrument is of some value, a pro can make it look like new with the right tools. Even a hack can make it without the big bend, but it will be visible. Yea, the motorcycle shop could even put some flame decals on the horn. ^_^ TDD |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Tig welding is faster.
.. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. On 8/19/2013 5:48 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "David Billington" wrote in message ... ...Nylon was used instead but had to be used with care as it could mark pewter especially if the nylon surface was damaged. I wonder how well hot melt glue would work. It can be resurfaced with a hot air gun. jsw |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 8/19/2013 5:13 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Then, the kid can eat beans and shove the trumpet. Strike a match. He should study the technique of this guy. ^_^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane TDD |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
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Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote: What tools would straighten the horn out? Toss it in the garbage and buy an identical one at a music store. If you cant find a replacement, just wrap it with duct tape and tell the parents a drunken redneck in a rolled over pickup truck, stole it, and you had to beat the guy over the head with it to get it back. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
pilgrim wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? Take or send the trumpet to a professional trumpet-repair place and only to a professional trumpet-repair place. Check with the band department at your local high-school to find out where they take or send their mangled trumpets. A way to work within your two-day time frame might be to flop down a couple of hundred bucks for a replacement instrument. Maybe you'll be able to fool the kid's mother. Best of luck to you and to your grandchild. I googled for "trumpet bell repair" and got lots of hits. Hi, If it's not an expensive one, just chuck it and get another. You can even buy new one for ~100.00, made in China or India. But then El Cheapo instrument can hinder learning process. They are very stuffy and tonal quality is minimal. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 8/19/2013 4:44 AM, Danny D. wrote:
My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... What tools would straighten the horn out? I once asked Dizzy Gillespie if he wanted me, a metalworker, to fix his bent horn. He said, "no, I've gotten used to it." David |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:44:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote: My grandchild dropped the trumpet, denting the horn: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/9...ac58b3d1_o.gif He was crying up a storm (probably because he doesn't want me to tell his mom). Just an opinion, but that wasn't just dropped - it either fell from a great height or was thrown with some vigor. Do you think the now-bent trumpet can be saved before mom finds out? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9...ebdf135f_o.gif I have about a day or two before she expects it back... She still has to be told - it'll go easier on both you and the kid if he just fesses up to it now, versus if she finds out after the fact. If this trumpet is School Property, they have to be told too - because when the repair shop sees the School Property tag they are going to get a call anyway. And unless you're sending it back to the OEM Factory for repairs, they probably have their own repair connections. Los Angeles Unified runs their own complete instrument repair shops. What tools would straighten the horn out? Problem is they need to anneal the metal with a torch flame or a stint in a heat-treat oven to soften it up first, and that means the whole thing needs to be stripped of the old lacquer, buffed out, and clear coated again when it's all done. You can't just hammer it back in shape, the metal will stretch and distort. The best way would be to unsolder the bell, anneal it, stick it back on the spinning lathe on the original form, and gently spin it back into shape - possibly with a torch shrinking or two, where they heat it up then hit it with a wet cloth to suck in the stretch. That's going to be either the original trumpet maker's factory or someone who has an exact duplicate of the bell form. Then they solder it back onto the rest of the trumpet, and do the usual strip buff and lacquer on the whole instrument. Then again, if this is a $99 (No Name) Indonesia Special you toss it out - or give it to the instrument repair guys for spare parts. Then help the kid into a good Conn or Selmer. They sound a whole lot better, and are far more easily repairable when stuff like this happens again. And it will. -- Bruce -- |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
That's easily fixable, and an experienced brass musical instrument technician sees a lot of them like that.
Whether it's cost effective depends on the horn. I'd guess it will cost $200 to $400 to repair and look like new. You can get a Chinese import for $150 and they play reasonably well. A Bach Stradivarius costs $2500 and up. This is one repair that you can't do yourself. Well, you could, but you're going to mess up the first 50 or so learning. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
What tools would straighten the horn out? Take or send the trumpet to a professional trumpet-repair place and only to a professional trumpet-repair place. Check with the band department at your local high-school to find out where they take or send their mangled trumpets. A way to work within your two-day time frame might be to flop down a couple of hundred bucks for a replacement instrument. Maybe you'll be able to fool the kid's mother. Best of luck to you and to your grandchild. I googled for "trumpet bell repair" and got lots of hits. Fill it with gun powder, add a long fuse. Place it outdoors far from any buildings, light the fuse, and run like hell. When it blows, the dent will be gone. Of course the whole trumpet may be gone too, but that's the risk you take. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On 8/19/2013 7:36 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Did the kid drop it from the 5th or 6th floor? Truth be told, I think Grumpy Grampa became tired of listening to the kid attempt to play the trumpet, wrestled it out of the kids hands and threw it out the window. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
Oren wrote:
That was very interesting. Notice it stated to use a rawhide mallet - pounding brass. Just to update - I haven't done anything on this (nobody asked for it yet) ... but I will update when there is action. |
Need advice on emergency bent trumpet horn repair
On Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05:05 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The kid can take it to school and get another one. Problem solved. I don't know what affluent, well-funded school district you live in but most schools don't just give out musical instruments to students. If your kid wants to play an instrument, you lease it for the school year through a company that's contracted by the school, or you go out and buy one from a music store or off craigslist. Likely, this trumpet is OWNED by the kid's parents. There is no "give it back and they'll give you a new one." This is a GREAT time to teach the kid a lesson about personal responsibility. Send the trumpet home with him and make him own up to damaging it. Helping him hide this from his parents is sending him the wrong message and teaching him bad behavior. Luckily trumpets are cheap. They ought to be able to find a good used one at a music store or on craigslist, or get this one fixed. I'm sure a good music store could get the trumpet fixed good as new for not much $$$. Whatever it costs, make the kid work it off. Whaever you do QUIT HELPING HIM HIDE IT, and the rest of you quit encouraging him to help this kid LIE to his parents. |
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