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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:56:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

...

One of his people also said the USA caused his cancer. Don't expect
any better relations with Venezuela.

The devil came here yesterday.

It still smells of sulphur today.

Yeah, it was on all the news shows.

The guy was a hero to the poor because he used the oil wealth of the country to help them, and I think that's admirable. In a country like Venezuela, where the majority of people are poor, he'll leave a lasting legacy.

The vice president of the country will now take over as president, and I'm hoping that the change in leadership both now, and after the next election, will result in better relations between the US and Venezuela.

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:19:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:56:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

...

One of his people also said the USA caused his cancer.

But not directly. It was the meteroites that we had fall on Russia
that caused it. Early ones to make him sick and that last big one to
kill him.

Don't expect
any better relations with Venezuela.

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:31:00 -0500, Hugo Chavez
wrote:

The devil came here yesterday.

It still smells of sulphur today.

That's because you're still here, HomoGay.

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:19:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:56:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

...

One of his people also said the USA caused his cancer. Don't expect
any better relations with Venezuela.

Well, John Kerry caused the meteorite strike in Russia. He pushed a
button in his office, and *WHAM*! Sneaky weapons, these Americans...

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:25:10 +0000, nestork
wrote:


Yeah, it was on all the news shows.

The guy was a hero to the poor because he used the oil wealth of the
country to help them, and I think that's admirable. In a country like
Venezuela, where the majority of people are poor, he'll leave a lasting
legacy.

He was the major supplier to Joe Kennedy's Citizens Energy. None of
the other suppliers would give him the price break. Joe also took
home a salary of $600k a year too.

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:31:34 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:19:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:56:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

...

One of his people also said the USA caused his cancer. Don't expect
any better relations with Venezuela.

Well, John Kerry caused the meteorite strike in Russia. He pushed a
button in his office, and *WHAM*! Sneaky weapons, these Americans...

I thought the meteor had to be redirected years in advance, but with
the new technology, you're probably right. It was Kerry who done it.

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 22:19:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:56:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

...

One of his people also said the USA caused his cancer. Don't expect
any better relations with Venezuela.

He did get free Castro-Care socialist medical treatment.

I think 7-11 sells his gas here?

Venezuela should send all American prisoners home.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:25:10 +0000, nestork
wrote:


Yeah, it was on all the news shows.

The guy was a hero to the poor because he used the oil wealth of the
country to help them, and I think that's admirable. In a country like
Venezuela, where the majority of people are poor, he'll leave a lasting
legacy.

Oh, good grief. Chavez raped the oil fields and left them in ruins,
pocketing something above $2B in the process. Yeah, he helped the
poor. sheesh

The vice president of the country will now take over as president, and
I'm hoping that the change in leadership both now, and after the next
election, will result in better relations between the US and Venezuela.

Not only are you ignorant but you're a dreamer. I bet you thought the
"Arab Spring" was going to be a great thing for peace, too.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:25:10 +0000, nestork
wrote:


Yeah, it was on all the news shows.

The guy was a hero to the poor because he used the oil wealth of the
country to help them, and I think that's admirable. In a country like
Venezuela, where the majority of people are poor, he'll leave a lasting
legacy.


Gas was/is 32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?

The vice president of the country will now take over as president, and
I'm hoping that the change in leadership both now, and after the next
election, will result in better relations between the US and Venezuela.

Hollywood loves the dead guy. Keep hoping until they give up socialist
ways - the government.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:12:09 -0800, Oren wrote:



Gas was/is 32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?


http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/news...venezuela-gas/

Thanks to generous subsidies, the Venezuelan people pay an absurdly
low price for gas. The average price for a gallon of regular at the
end of January was four U.S. cents, according to the research firm
Airinc.

That's right: One. Two. Three. Four.

Pennies.

There's a common belief in Venezuela -- and in other oil-exporting
nations -- that oil is a national resource that citizens have every
right to use cheaply.

The International Energy Agency, which represents oil-importing
countries, unsurprisingly takes the other side of the argument. It
says these subsidies encourage "wasteful consumption," which in turn
contributes to higher oil prices worldwide.

http://www.eluniversal.com/economia/...on-devaluation
Upon the latest devaluation of the Venezuelan currency from VEB 4.30
to VEB 6.30 per US dollar, the value of a liter of gasoline of 95
octanes slipped from USD 0.022 to USD 0.015, based on the official
foreign exchange rate.

krw:

I'll thank you not to read my posts.

After all, I don't bother reading your posts.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:43:58 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:12:09 -0800, Oren wrote:



Gas was/is 32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?


http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/news...venezuela-gas/

Thanks to generous subsidies, the Venezuelan people pay an absurdly
low price for gas. The average price for a gallon of regular at the
end of January was four U.S. cents, according to the research firm
Airinc.

That's right: One. Two. Three. Four.

Pennies.

There's a common belief in Venezuela -- and in other oil-exporting
nations -- that oil is a national resource that citizens have every
right to use cheaply.

The International Energy Agency, which represents oil-importing
countries, unsurprisingly takes the other side of the argument. It
says these subsidies encourage "wasteful consumption," which in turn
contributes to higher oil prices worldwide.

http://www.eluniversal.com/economia/...on-devaluation
Upon the latest devaluation of the Venezuelan currency from VEB 4.30
to VEB 6.30 per US dollar, the value of a liter of gasoline of 95
octanes slipped from USD 0.022 to USD 0.015, based on the official
foreign exchange rate.

The poor in Venezuela did very well under Chavez, decreased poverty,
increased education, free healthcare. Not a bad legacy. The wealthy
seem to have done alright as well. But cheap gas does encourage
wasteful use and is bad in the long term for every one. Since folks on
this newsgroup rarely believe that humans are altering the climate, it
shouldn't matter to them.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:43:58 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:12:09 -0800, Oren wrote:



Gas was/is 32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?


http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/news...venezuela-gas/

Thanks to generous subsidies, the Venezuelan people pay an absurdly
low price for gas. The average price for a gallon of regular at the
end of January was four U.S. cents, according to the research firm
Airinc.

Really? How many hours do they work for a gallon of gas?

That's right: One. Two. Three. Four.

On an income of?

Pennies.

There's a common belief in Venezuela -- and in other oil-exporting
nations -- that oil is a national resource that citizens have every
right to use cheaply.

"Common belief" = "if the government thinks you need an opinion, one
will be provided"


The International Energy Agency, which represents oil-importing
countries, unsurprisingly takes the other side of the argument. It
says these subsidies encourage "wasteful consumption," which in turn
contributes to higher oil prices worldwide.

http://www.eluniversal.com/economia/...on-devaluation
Upon the latest devaluation of the Venezuelan currency from VEB 4.30
to VEB 6.30 per US dollar, the value of a liter of gasoline of 95
octanes slipped from USD 0.022 to USD 0.015, based on the official
foreign exchange rate.

On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:40:00 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:43:58 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:12:09 -0800, Oren wrote:



Gas was/is 32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?


http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/news...venezuela-gas/

Thanks to generous subsidies, the Venezuelan people pay an absurdly
low price for gas. The average price for a gallon of regular at the
end of January was four U.S. cents, according to the research firm
Airinc.

Really? How many hours do they work for a gallon of gas?

That's right: One. Two. Three. Four.

On an income of?

Pennies.

OK, lets use the $360 a month. I'll even go a 50 hour work week or
200 hours per month. $1.80 per hour.

In the US, minimum wage varies but some states are $8 per hour of
about 25 to 30 minutes to buy a gallon of gas.

In Venezuela at $1.80 per hour they work just over a minute per
gallon. In the US you will find few people making a wage to buy a
gallon of gas for a minute and a half of work time.


http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6154
The minimum wage will increase from the current Bs 1,224 to Bs 1,407
on 1 May 2011 and to 1,548 by September, translating to an increase of
15% and 10%, respectively. With the second increase compiled on to the
first, the total wage increase for 2011 is 26.5%. At the formal
exchange rate of 4.3 Bs per $US, these wage increases equate to $US
327 per month in May, then $US 360 in September. These wages do not
include the food tickets that workers also receive.

On Mar 8, 10:08*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:40:00 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:43:58 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:12:09 -0800, Oren wrote:

Gas was/is *32 cent a gallon? Yes. A legacy of his prisons?

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/news...venezuela-gas/

Thanks to generous subsidies, the Venezuelan people pay an absurdly
low price for gas. The average price for a gallon of regular at the
end of January was four U.S. cents, according to the research firm
Airinc.

Really? *How many hours do they work for a gallon of gas?

That's right: One. Two. Three. Four.

On an income of?

Pennies.

OK, lets use the $360 a month. *I'll even go a 50 hour work week or
200 hours per month. *$1.80 per hour.

In the US, minimum wage varies but some states are $8 per hour of
about 25 to 30 minutes to buy a gallon of gas.

In Venezuela at $1.80 per hour they work just over a minute per
gallon. *In the US you will find few people making a wage to buy a
gallon of gas for a minute and a half of work time.

You seem a bit focused on the relative price of gasoline.
Gasoline prices probably don't even impact the really poor
in Venezuela, because unlike here in the USA, most of
those poor people don't even have a car to put it in. And
of course, if you seize the oil companies, you can take
the money and give it to the poor. Problem is, that simplistic
method, while dramatic in the short term, produces worse
results in the long term. The USA does a similar
transfer in the form of taxes and lease fees which then
fund a govt where most of the spending is on social programs.
The "poor" in the USA that are actually nowhere
near as poor as those in Venezuela are getting a far better
deal than cheap gas. They get thousands of dollars a
month in food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, free
healthcare, etc.