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New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that
would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. -- Stephanie: What did you do today? Leonard Hofstadter: Well, I'm a physicist, so I just thought about stuff. Stephanie: That's it? Leonard Hofstadter: I wrote some of it down. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
In article ,
Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:03:42 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... You don't want greenies to pay for their share of the roads? I sure do! Double! ...unless they're packing heat. ;-) |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/13 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. "Safety is our highest priority" ??????????? So why are the geniuses proposing a 54 mpg standard for vehicles? |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:24:21 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote: On 1/10/13 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. "Safety is our highest priority" ??????????? So why are the geniuses proposing a 54 mpg standard for vehicles? Herding sheep is their highest priority. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/2013 6:18 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. I rode in a new Prius and it was surprising how high the road noise was. Quiet outside, noisy inside ;) |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Baseball cards. Greg |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 01/10/2013 03:18 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. HA! You beat me to this post, and mine happened just two days ago. Jon |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:52:34 -0500, Frank
wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:18 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. I rode in a new Prius and it was surprising how high the road noise was. Quiet outside, noisy inside ;) The busy little 4 cyl in a Prius is hardly silent from outside either - unless you are talking road noise when in electric only mode. My old electric Fiat was far from silent when accelerating from a dead stop either. AC motors are a bit quieter, but if the frequency of the switching is set "right" they can produce significant sound as well. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/2013 3:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. Guess they picked that number to keep the noise down in a 20 MPH school zone. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/2013 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. -- Stephanie: What did you do today? Leonard Hofstadter: Well, I'm a physicist, so I just thought about stuff. Stephanie: That's it? Leonard Hofstadter: I wrote some of it down. I believe the darn things should sound like the flying cars from "The Jetsons". ^_^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjy-fnsmWR4 TDD |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:19:44 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 1/10/2013 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. -- Stephanie: What did you do today? Leonard Hofstadter: Well, I'm a physicist, so I just thought about stuff. Stephanie: That's it? Leonard Hofstadter: I wrote some of it down. I believe the darn things should sound like the flying cars from "The Jetsons". ^_^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjy-fnsmWR4 Get in an accident and they'll fold up like one. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Jan 10, 4:03*pm, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. * *I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... So you think they should be allowed to use public property and not help pay for it? Harry K |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Jan 10, 4:52*pm, Frank wrote:
On 1/10/2013 6:18 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , * Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. * * *I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. I rode in a new Prius and it was surprising how high the road noise was. Quiet outside, noisy inside ;) Sound deadening adds weight :) The advocates of them insist they are fine for long distance driving. Yep if you want to ride a small crackerbox with limited amenities long distances. Harry K |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:03:42 -0800, Oren wrote:
Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... Why insanity? They use the roads, wear them out just like the rest of us. They should pay their fair share to maintain them. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
In article ,
Dean Hoffman " wrote: On 1/10/13 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. "Safety is our highest priority" ??????????? So why are the geniuses proposing a 54 mpg standard for vehicles? Always has been. Thus, when air bags were first put in cars, they were sold as an ALTERNATIVE safety measure for those who wouldn't buckle their seat belts.. Ooops. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
The Daring Dufas wrote:
-snip- I believe the darn things should sound like the flying cars from "The Jetsons". ^_^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjy-fnsmWR4 I agree-- and the start-up, and reverse sounds should be different, but one should be that 'meet George Jetson' riff. Jim |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/2013 6:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. -- Stephanie: What did you do today? Leonard Hofstadter: Well, I'm a physicist, so I just thought about stuff. Stephanie: That's it? Leonard Hofstadter: I wrote some of it down. Sort of reminds me of the old Western Electric company from the early days when they used to make vacuum cleaners. They had an excellent unit, that had more suction than the competition, but couldn't sell them. Why? They were too quiet and the users perceived them to not be as powerful as the noisy competition! |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
Per Metspitzer:
The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Riding my bike, I've been startled several times by cars passing me in electric mode. No close calls yet, but the hazard seems obvious. I recall an interview with somebody about a deceased deaf person. The question arose "How did he die?". The answer was "The same way the vast majority of deaf people die: he was hit by a car.". Rang true to me at the time, and now it's been re-enforced. -- Pete Cresswell |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
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New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/10/2013 7:03 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... What part is insane? The government collects road use taxes on liquid fuel sales to pay for roads. Since "green" car operators purchase less or maybe no liquid fuels how do you propose taxes would be fairly collected? |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
And the cake mix that didn't sell, with just add water. They changed the
directions to add an egg and water, and sales took right off. I was cleaning carpet for a restaurant, years ago. Using the unscented detergent. I ran out, and had to use the stinky stuff. The manager came by, and remarked how that stuff really was working. Not sure it really did any better. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Art Todesco" wrote in message ... Sort of reminds me of the old Western Electric company from the early days when they used to make vacuum cleaners. They had an excellent unit, that had more suction than the competition, but couldn't sell them. Why? They were too quiet and the users perceived them to not be as powerful as the noisy competition! |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
Metspitzer wrote:
The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. Assholes in the government abound! This is a solution is search of a problem! How many blind people have been killed or injured by "silent" cars? Approximately zero. Makes as much sense as having each Prius tow a steam calliope playing Hackity-Sack music complete with a scampering monkey soliciting donations. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:18:18 -0500, George
wrote: On 1/10/2013 7:03 PM, Oren wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... What part is insane? The government collects road use taxes on liquid fuel sales to pay for roads. Since "green" car operators purchase less or maybe no liquid fuels how do you propose taxes would be fairly collected? I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? My mileage is taken each year when the smog inspection is done. I see no simple way other than that... Not all cars are registered at one time, so it seems to me it would be a nightmare - just sayin'. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:47:38 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 1/10/2013 10:53 PM, wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:19:44 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 1/10/2013 5:14 PM, Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. -- Stephanie: What did you do today? Leonard Hofstadter: Well, I'm a physicist, so I just thought about stuff. Stephanie: That's it? Leonard Hofstadter: I wrote some of it down. I believe the darn things should sound like the flying cars from "The Jetsons". ^_^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjy-fnsmWR4 Get in an accident and they'll fold up like one. Don't you just love the sound of the Jetsons car? ^_^ Well, sure. I sorta liked Astro's voice, too. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
"Oren" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:18:18 -0500, George I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? Doesn't the computer in the newer cars keep track of the milage ? Not sure if all states require an inspection or not. They have to plug into the computer to pass the inspection . In NC the cars are sent a seperate state tax bill. It would be easy to send out the tax bill based on the car milage and tax value as the tax value is based on the 'blue book' value. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:18:18 -0500, George wrote: On 1/10/2013 7:03 PM, Oren wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: The Department of Transportation is proposing new regulations that would require hybrid and electric cars to make more noise when their engines are running. The rules are designed to make it easier for nearby pedestrians to hear the traditional quiet automobiles when they are approaching. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the change would make it easier for hybrid and electric car drivers to share the road. "Safety is our highest priority, and this proposal will help keep everyone using our nation's streets and roadways safe, whether they are motorists, bicyclists or pedestrians, and especially the blind and visually impaired," LaHood said in a statement released by the DOT. Under the requirement, cars would be required to be heard above typical street noises when they are traveling at speeds less than 18 miles per hour. I almost got run over by one backing out of parking space without looking a couple of days ago. They ARE quiet. Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... What part is insane? The government collects road use taxes on liquid fuel sales to pay for roads. Since "green" car operators purchase less or maybe no liquid fuels how do you propose taxes would be fairly collected? I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? That's the plan, AIUI. In fact, some are suggesting that we all use them. Makes it easier to herd the sheep, don't ya' know. Who gives them the authority? Remember, driving is a privilege. The government owns the roads. My mileage is taken each year when the smog inspection is done. I see no simple way other than that... Not all cars are registered at one time, so it seems to me it would be a nightmare - just sayin'. GPS is cheap now. Force every car to have one and it gets even cheaper. After all, Uncle Sam is requiring a black box. What's a GPS cost on top of that? $.50 for the half that doesn't already have a GPS? |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
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New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:34:08 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:37:36 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0800, Oren wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:18:18 -0500, George wrote: On 1/10/2013 7:03 PM, Oren wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:18:39 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Metspitzer wrote: ... Washington state is loosing gas taxes from these green cars, because they pay lesser taxes by not buying enough fuel at the pump. Now the creatures want to place a tax per mile on the green cars to make-up the difference. Insanity ... What part is insane? The government collects road use taxes on liquid fuel sales to pay for roads. Since "green" car operators purchase less or maybe no liquid fuels how do you propose taxes would be fairly collected? I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? That's the plan, AIUI. In fact, some are suggesting that we all use them. Makes it easier to herd the sheep, don't ya' know. They can suggest all they like. I ain't fallin' for it. Who gives them the authority? Remember, driving is a privilege. The government owns the roads. They do not own my vehicle. The *do* own the roads it drives on. Hell, some states even claim to own your driveway and you *can* get a DUI on your own property. Don't tell me that they haven't the power to make your life miserable. My mileage is taken each year when the smog inspection is done. I see no simple way other than that... Not all cars are registered at one time, so it seems to me it would be a nightmare - just sayin'. GPS is cheap now. Force every car to have one and it gets even cheaper. After all, Uncle Sam is requiring a black box. What's a GPS cost on top of that? $.50 for the half that doesn't already have a GPS? Uh-huh. One giant database for government abuse and intrusion. But of course. All the better to herd sheep. That *is* what people just voted for. |
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New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0800, Oren wrote:
I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? My mileage is taken each year when the smog inspection is done. I see no simple way other than that... Not all cars are registered at one time, so it seems to me it would be a nightmare - just sayin'. Easy enough to do. Many cars already come equipped to do that with OnStar or BlueLink. They send monthly reports to the owner about the car, they could also send it to the tax man. The more difficult part is doing it by state. Truck for many years have had to record miles traveled and fuel bought in each state traveled. They then pay the appropriate taxes to each state. It is now automated with GPS systems, and while that can be put into cars, it is more expensive. With volume, I bet it is no more than a couple of hundred bucks per car. I live in a border town and travel more in the other state than where my car is registered. With gas, I pay the tax where I buy the fuel. With electric, I'd pay the tax at home, but wear out the roads elsewhere. With an all electric, there should be no smog inspection, but I'm sure the state will find a way of getting you in to pay the tax. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:03:06 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote: Doesn't the computer in the newer cars keep track of the milage ? Not sure if all states require an inspection or not. They have to plug into the computer to pass the inspection . In NC the cars are sent a seperate state tax bill. It would be easy to send out the tax bill based on the car milage and tax value as the tax value is based on the 'blue book' value. Here in CT we have no safety inspection and emissions is only after four years old. Even then, it is only every other year for inspection. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:21:03 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote: Always has been. Thus, when air bags were first put in cars, they were sold as an ALTERNATIVE safety measure for those who wouldn't buckle their seat belts.. Ooops. Seat belts were an option on some cars in the early 60's. No one bought them so the car companies may no profit on them. They the government mandated them and the car companies apologized for raising the price of the car and blamed the government for them being able to make a couple of extra bucks. My '62 Corvair had the bolt holes so you could buy aftermarket belts. IIRC, the attachment system was mandated around that time, belts a couple of years later in 1965. Wisconsin was first in 1961. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Jan 11, 10:26*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:21:03 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote: Always has been. Thus, when air bags were first put in cars, they were sold as an ALTERNATIVE safety measure for those who wouldn't buckle their seat belts.. *Ooops. Seat belts were an option on some cars in the early 60's. No one bought them so the car companies may no profit on them. *They the government mandated them and the car companies apologized for raising the price of the car and blamed the government for them being able to make a couple of extra bucks. My '62 Corvair had the bolt holes so you could buy aftermarket belts. IIRC, the attachment system was mandated around that time, belts a couple of years later in 1965. *Wisconsin was first in 1961. my wife had a ford falcon of that era that had similar mounting plates. Bell Labshad some sort of a deal where we the employees could buy seat belts and then put them in ourselves. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 01-11-2013 15:35, HeyBub wrote:
Makes as much sense as having each Prius tow a steam calliope playing Hackity-Sack music complete with a scampering monkey soliciting donations. I could vote for that! Bread and circuses! -- Wes Groleau In any formula, constants (especially those obtained from handbooks) are to be treated as variables. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:57:29 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote: On 1/11/13 5:54 PM, wrote: But of course. All the better to herd sheep. That *is* what people just voted for. Lining up for an inaugural ball: http://tinyurl.com/aslbhsx That's just not right. ROTFLMAO! |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
On 1/11/2013 11:12 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0800, Oren wrote: I agree with you (Keith & Ed) they should pay taxes for road use like we all do at the pump. How will they record and collect the information about mileage? Will they demand that you attach some gizmo to the car and what gives them the authority to do so? My mileage is taken each year when the smog inspection is done. I see no simple way other than that... Not all cars are registered at one time, so it seems to me it would be a nightmare - just sayin'. Easy enough to do. Many cars already come equipped to do that with OnStar or BlueLink. They send monthly reports to the owner about the car, they could also send it to the tax man. The more difficult part is doing it by state. Truck for many years have had to record miles traveled and fuel bought in each state traveled. They then pay the appropriate taxes to each state. It is now automated with GPS systems, and while that can be put into cars, it is more expensive. With volume, I bet it is no more than a couple of hundred bucks per car. Many operators still use reporting of self determined data subject to audit. They all use IFTA but if they aren't set up with GPS on each vehicle tied into a reporting system they total up everything and enter the miles/state and fuel purchases/state and upload that to IFTA. As an aside our former governor was a big proponent of making all major roads part of the PA pike. One of his selling points was the untrue statement that out of state trucks transiting the state cause the most damage and they "don't pay anything" even though IFTA has been in place for a very long time to fairly apportion the collected taxes. I live in a border town and travel more in the other state than where my car is registered. With gas, I pay the tax where I buy the fuel. With electric, I'd pay the tax at home, but wear out the roads elsewhere. With an all electric, there should be no smog inspection, but I'm sure the state will find a way of getting you in to pay the tax. The obvious solution is to require a GPS on each vehicle and have it log all activity. Later they could even go further and implement time of day surcharges and other "features". I am for everyone paying their fair share but am against that idea because of the massive privacy violation involved. For some reason I can never understand the republicans would not have an issue. |
New requirement for Electric cars. Straw in the spoke.
Per HeyBub:
How many blind people have been killed or injured by "silent" cars? Approximately zero. I cannot cite, but somewhere I read a piece where somebody asked how a deceased deaf person died. The answer was to the effect of "They died the same way most deaf people die: hit by a car." It rang true to me then and now, after being surprised by a few electric cars while riding my bike, it rings even truer. -- Pete Cresswell |
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