Yes indeedy....

I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and the
impact driver I bought
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051
and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx

an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact
driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that
these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I was
initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to remove
the lug nuts of my car..... doh
Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....

The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger, two
batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper than
other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less than the
similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in Chiner) that
my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side comparison.

And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small
milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to last
forever.
So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita was
less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that
point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use pov.

Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that these
drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy, and
did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer
comments on size/convenience.
I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,
gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those
makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit, drill,
etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and
confusion.

Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring hex
ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same spring/hex
ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if you catch
one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the drill-driver is not
chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different set, as I think they
mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or "10.8-12 V
max"..

Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up home-moaning
testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus for Trader4 et
al.
--
EA

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:44:45 PM UTC-5, Existential Angst wrote:
Yes indeedy....



I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and the

impact driver I bought

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx



an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact

driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that

these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I was

initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to remove

the lug nuts of my car..... doh

Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....



The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger, two

batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper than

other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less than the

similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in Chiner) that

my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side comparison.



And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small

milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to last

forever.

So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita was

less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that

point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use pov.



Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that these

drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy, and

did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer

comments on size/convenience.

I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,

gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those

makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit, drill,

etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and

confusion.



Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring hex

ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same spring/hex

ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if you catch

one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the drill-driver is not

chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different set, as I think they

mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or "10.8-12 V

max"..



Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up home-moaning

testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus for Trader4 et

al.

--

EA

After buying & using 2 impact drivers, I'll never drive another screw with a drill!

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...

Yes indeedy....

I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and the
impact driver I bought
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051
and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx

an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact
driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that
these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I
was initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to
remove the lug nuts of my car..... doh
Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....

The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger, two
batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper
than other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less
than the similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in
Chiner) that my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side
comparison.

And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small
milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to last
forever.
So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita was
less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that
point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use
pov.

Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that these
drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy, and
did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer
comments on size/convenience.
I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,
gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those
makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit, drill,
etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and
confusion.

Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring
hex ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same
spring/hex ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho
if you catch one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the
drill-driver is not chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different
set, as I think they mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed
as "12 V" or "10.8-12 V max"..

Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up
home-moaning testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus
for Trader4 et al.

Assuming that the drill/driver and impact driver both have the same motor,
the impact feature is actually "kinder" to the motor, using the physics of
momentum, rather than plain ole I^2 x R or EI, etc. Sorta like the diff
between pounding a nail with a small hammer, and trying to shove it in with
yer foot....

But, if the designers are aware of this, and then chintzed on the motor
itself, then there's proly no advantage ito tool longevity.
But the two drivers in this makita set do look identical, from the motor
housing pov, and use the same batt, so it may very well be that if from an
economuy-of-scale pov, they used the same motor, so the impact driver for
driving would be the proper-er way to go.

But for light stuff, and stuff needing the clutch, the drill/driver would be
better, and proly faster.
--
EA


--
EA

On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:44:45 PM UTC-5, Existential Angst wrote:
Yes indeedy....



I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and the

impact driver I bought

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx



an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact

driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that

these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I was

initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to remove

the lug nuts of my car..... doh

Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....



The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger, two

batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper than

other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less than the

similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in Chiner) that

my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side comparison.



And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small

milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to last

forever.

So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita was

less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that

point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use pov.



Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that these

drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy, and

did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer

comments on size/convenience.

I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,

gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those

makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit, drill,

etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and

confusion.



Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring hex

ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same spring/hex

ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if you catch

one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the drill-driver is not

chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different set, as I think they

mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or "10.8-12 V

max"..



Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up home-moaning

testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus for Trader4 et

al.

--

EA

After buying & using 2 impact drivers, I'll never drive another screw with a drill!

+1.

Drills are for making holes. Impact drivers fill them with screws.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:44:45 PM UTC-5, Existential Angst wrote:
Yes indeedy....



I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and
the

impact driver I bought

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx



an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact

driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that

these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I
was

initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to
remove

the lug nuts of my car..... doh

Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....



The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger,
two

batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper
than

other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less than
the

similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in Chiner)
that

my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side comparison.



And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small

milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to
last

forever.

So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita
was

less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that

point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use
pov.



Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that
these

drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy,
and

did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer

comments on size/convenience.

I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,

gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those

makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit,
drill,

etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and

confusion.



Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring
hex

ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same
spring/hex

ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if you
catch

one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the drill-driver is not

chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different set, as I think
they

mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or
"10.8-12 V

max"..



Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up
home-moaning

testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus for
Trader4 et

al.

--

EA

After buying & using 2 impact drivers, I'll never drive another screw with
a drill!

+1.

Drills are for making holes. Impact drivers fill them with screws.

I basically agree, as per my other Great Realization, but they do call them
"drill/driver", AND there is usually a gear selector, for driving torque in
drill/drivers, AND a clutch. So drill/drivers would seem to be
well-equipped for driving -- just sans the elegant physics of an impact
driver.

Note that there is no clutch in the impact driver -- presumably bec it goes
slow enough that you can *see* how far you want the screwhead buried -- at
least flathead/drywall screws in wood.
--
EA

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:38:35 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:44:45 PM UTC-5, Existential Angst wrote:
Yes indeedy....



I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the drill/driver and
the

impact driver I bought

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

and was initially going to query the groups on this, but then I found

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx



an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows how an impact

driver works, via the internals, fascinating), which indeed states that

these impact drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I
was

initially thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems awfully small to
remove

the lug nuts of my car..... doh

Just in case others have shared my conunudrum....



The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact driver, charger,
two

batts, in a bull**** alum "camera case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper
than

other stuff, and the power of the driver seems substantially less than
the

similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V, also made in Chiner)
that

my buddy has, as we were able to do a side-by-side comparison.



And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But, those small

milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves -- holy **** -- but seem to
last

forever.

So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power of the makita
was

less, or that the battery had just gotten comparitively weaker by that

point -- but, which is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use
pov.



Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that
these

drivers are much smaller than the big-battery style, but really handy,
and

did well on some substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer

comments on size/convenience.

I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning projects (boucou fencing,

gates, etc), but if I were to do it again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those

makitas (6 drivers altogether), just to have the right driver bit,
drill,

etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning battle and

confusion.



Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be chuckless (that spring
hex

ditty), that drill/drivers also can be chuckless with that same
spring/hex

ditty. Fortunately the makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if you
catch

one of the HD demo videos on this makita set, the drill-driver is not

chucked.... weird.... but this could be a different set, as I think
they

mentioned 10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or
"10.8-12 V

max"..



Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to amp up
home-moaning

testosterone a bit.... which would proly be a really big plus for
Trader4 et

al.

--

EA

After buying & using 2 impact drivers, I'll never drive another screw with
a drill!

+1.

Drills are for making holes. Impact drivers fill them with screws.

I basically agree, as per my other Great Realization, but they do call them
"drill/driver", AND there is usually a gear selector, for driving torque in
drill/drivers, AND a clutch. So drill/drivers would seem to be
well-equipped for driving -- just sans the elegant physics of an impact
driver.

Sure, until impact drivers came out, drills were often used as drivers. They
invented the screwdriver so you no longer had to set screws with a hammer,
too. ;-)

Note that there is no clutch in the impact driver -- presumably bec it goes
slow enough that you can *see* how far you want the screwhead buried -- at
least flathead/drywall screws in wood.

One of mine is a bit too quick, at least with smaller screws (so I use the
smaller one). A torque setting would be nice.

--
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http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


In ,
Existential Angst typed:
Yes indeedy....

I couldn't figger out the functional diff between the
drill/driver and the impact driver I bought
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051
and was initially going to query the groups on this, but
then I found
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-...t-drivers.aspx

an inneresting review of a variety of drivers (and shows
how an impact driver works, via the internals,
fascinating), which indeed states that these impact
drivers are specifically for driving tough, deep screws. I was initially
thinking, Dayum, this impact driver seems
awfully small to remove the lug nuts of my car..... doh Just in case
others have shared my conunudrum....

The above HD Makita set ($99, 12V drill/drive+impact
driver, charger, two batts, in a bull**** alum "camera
case", like Aire Jordans) is cheaper than other stuff,
and the power of the driver seems substantially less than
the similarly sized Milwaukee drill driver (also 12V,
also made in Chiner) that my buddy has, as we were able
to do a side-by-side comparison.
And the makita battery doesn't last nearly as long. But,
those small milwaukee batts are $70 all by themselves --
holy **** -- but seem to last forever.
So actually, I couldn't say f'sure whether the raw power
of the makita was less, or that the battery had just
gotten comparitively weaker by that point -- but, which
is sort of six-one/half-dozen, from a practical use pov.
Still, the Makita set is neat, useful, relatively cheap. Note that these
drivers are much smaller than the
big-battery style, but really handy, and did well on some
substantial-sized projects. . Even the above reviewer
comments on size/convenience. I'm almost done with my outside home-moaning
projects
(boucou fencing, gates, etc), but if I were to do it
again, I'd buy like 3 sets of those makitas (6 drivers
altogether), just to have the right driver bit, drill,
etc always handy -- helpful in the heat of home-moaning
battle and confusion.
Note that altho impact drivers always seem to be
chuckless (that spring hex ditty), that drill/drivers
also can be chuckless with that same spring/hex ditty. Fortunately the
makita drill/driver was chucked, altho if
you catch one of the HD demo videos on this makita set,
the drill-driver is not chucked.... weird.... but this
could be a different set, as I think they mentioned
10.8V, and this set is jalternately listed as "12 V" or
"10.8-12 V max"..
Plus, these impact drivers *sound* really cool, seem to
amp up home-moaning testosterone a bit.... which would
proly be a really big plus for Trader4 et al.