On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:40:50 -0700, nospam wrote:

In effect, I now know (my fault) that Nikon makes crap and I bought
crap.
It's not Nikon's fault. It's mine.

either you got a string of defective cameras from several different
manufacturers, or you treat your equipment like ****. i know which one i
think it is.

I realize some people only use a camera on vacation, and for that, the
plastic Nikons probably don't break as much as mine do.

I'm not hiding the fact that I jostle, bump, and drop my plastic Nikon
cameras. They get wet when I take them in the rain. They get sandy when I
take them to the beach. They get cold and wet with condensation when I
take them to Tahoe in the winter. And they get bumped around when I take
them backpacking.

I don't deny I take my camera everywhere I go.

But you also can't deny the little tiny piece of plastic that broke off
my bayonet mount was destined to break. It took a small drop onto hard
concrete - but that's all it took to break it.

Looking at the design, it's no wonder it broke.

I know nothing of bayonet mounts. Nothing except what I've learned from
you guys today.

May I ask:
Q: What bayonet mount is made better than this plastic one?

On 2012-07-06 13:17:29 -0700, "Arklin K." said:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:40:50 -0700, nospam wrote:

In effect, I now know (my fault) that Nikon makes crap and I bought
crap.
It's not Nikon's fault. It's mine.

either you got a string of defective cameras from several different
manufacturers, or you treat your equipment like ****. i know which one i
think it is.

I realize some people only use a camera on vacation, and for that, the
plastic Nikons probably don't break as much as mine do.

I'm not hiding the fact that I jostle, bump, and drop my plastic Nikon
cameras. They get wet when I take them in the rain. They get sandy when I
take them to the beach. They get cold and wet with condensation when I
take them to Tahoe in the winter. And they get bumped around when I take
them backpacking.

Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental
abuse. You are trying to get Range Rover performance and ruggedness out
of a Prius.

Check on the specs of the cameras you purchase. None of your cameras is
weather sealed, you pay for that.
You are going to have to look at Pro and/or prosumer level cameras
along with their higher cost to get close to what you are looking for.
The D300S has a degree of weather sealing, but not as complete as its
FF brethren, the D700, D800, D3(x), and D4.



I don't deny I take my camera everywhere I go.

But you also can't deny the little tiny piece of plastic that broke off
my bayonet mount was destined to break. It took a small drop onto hard
concrete - but that's all it took to break it.

Looking at the design, it's no wonder it broke.

It was a piece of equipment never designed to take the abuse you
consider normal. It was meant for a photographer who might actually
care for and look after his equipment.


I know nothing of bayonet mounts. Nothing except what I've learned from
you guys today.

May I ask:
Q: What bayonet mount is made better than this plastic one?

The mounts on better, more costly and premium lenses.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:56:31 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental

This is very true!

None of your cameras is weather sealed

My 'next' SLR is going to be weather sealed, whatever that means in
practice!

The D300S has a degree of weather sealing, but not as complete
as its FF brethren, the D700, D800, D3(x), and D4.

I'll need to look up what "FF" means, but, I'm starting to realize I
probably should have bought ONE expensive (say D700) kit instead of four
cheap ($1,000) Costco plastic Nikon SLR kits (CP5000, D50, D60, and
D5000).

It looks like a quick google of the D700 puts it at around $2,000, so,
given I can re-use my existing lenses, the math works out that the D700
without lenses is only about twice the D5000 was with lenses.

In article , Arklin K.
wrote:

Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental

This is very true!

then why do you blame the camera for the damage?

I'll need to look up what "FF" means, but, I'm starting to realize I
probably should have bought ONE expensive (say D700) kit instead of four
cheap ($1,000) Costco plastic Nikon SLR kits (CP5000, D50, D60, and
D5000).

full frame, or a full 35mm sized sensor, not a 1.5x crop as with the
ones you have. add an extra digit to the price.

On 2012-07-06 14:09:10 -0700, "Arklin K." said:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:56:31 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental

This is very true!

None of your cameras is weather sealed

My 'next' SLR is going to be weather sealed, whatever that means in
practice!

The D300S has a degree of weather sealing, but not as complete
as its FF brethren, the D700, D800, D3(x), and D4.

I'll need to look up what "FF" means, but, I'm starting to realize I
probably should have bought ONE expensive (say D700) kit instead of four
cheap ($1,000) Costco plastic Nikon SLR kits (CP5000, D50, D60, and
D5000).

"FF" means Full Frame v DX= APS-C in reference to physical sensor size
relative to 35mm film.


It looks like a quick google of the D700 puts it at around $2,000, so,
given I can re-use my existing lenses, the math works out that the D700
without lenses is only about twice the D5000 was with lenses.

You really wouldn't want to use DX kit lenses on a D700.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Arklin K. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:56:31 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental

This is very true!

None of your cameras is weather sealed

My 'next' SLR is going to be weather sealed, whatever that means in
practice!

The D300S has a degree of weather sealing, but not as complete
as its FF brethren, the D700, D800, D3(x), and D4.

Look at the Pentax K30, it's weather and dust sealed, and would be a
step up from your mid-level D5000. As you seem to be using the lower end
plastic mount lenses, you aren't getting any real cachet of metal mount
Nikkor glass. And please don't drop som many lenses...

http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/slrs/pentax_k30




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Darrell Larose
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web: http://DarrellLarose.ca
blog: http://DarrellLarose.wordpress.com
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:56:31 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2012-07-06 13:17:29 -0700, "Arklin K." said:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:40:50 -0700, nospam wrote:

In effect, I now know (my fault) that Nikon makes crap and I bought
crap.
It's not Nikon's fault. It's mine.



Those cameras were never designed to take that sort of environmental
abuse. You are trying to get Range Rover performance and ruggedness out
of a Prius.


This is what he needs, the H4D
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/19/h...ts-h4d-prices/

New low price too!

In rec.photo.digital Arklin K. wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:40:50 -0700, nospam wrote:

In effect, I now know (my fault) that Nikon makes crap and I bought
crap.
It's not Nikon's fault. It's mine.

either you got a string of defective cameras from several different
manufacturers, or you treat your equipment like ****. i know which one i
think it is.

I realize some people only use a camera on vacation, and for that, the
plastic Nikons probably don't break as much as mine do.

I'm not hiding the fact that I jostle, bump, and drop my plastic Nikon
cameras. They get wet when I take them in the rain. They get sandy when I
take them to the beach. They get cold and wet with condensation when I
take them to Tahoe in the winter. And they get bumped around when I take
them backpacking.

I don't deny I take my camera everywhere I go.

I take my camera, and usually a few lenses, everywhere I go. It goes
with me nearly every time I leave the house. I'm an old guy too, but
in pursuit of photographs, fun, or curiosity I still climb over fences
and walls, up trees and cliffs, paddle up streams, etc..

I can't afford to buy rugged gear, so I ruggedise it myself. In other
words, I carry everything in individual padded bags, and all my camera
gear bags are also well padded. That works very well.

I have broken one camera and a couple of lenses when in use by my own
carelessness. I've learned by experience and either avoid doing those
things or do them with better protection against accidents.

I can't afford rainproof gear but I like shooting in the rain. So I
use camera raincoats. Beach sand is a big nuisance so I've developed
handling procedures which keep it out of my camera. Condensation is
scary, so I've learned how it works and how to combat it.

If you can't afford or can't get a rugged enough camera you need to
ruggedise it and your methods of using it yourself. Since you're still
alive you've obviously learned how to keep yourself safe and
reasonably comfortable. What's the problem in taking the same attitude
to your camera gear?

--
Chris Malcolm

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 14:14:50 -0700, nospam wrote:

full frame, or a full 35mm sized sensor, not a 1.5x crop as with the
ones you have. add an extra digit to the price

For me, would Full Frame add any value to my pictures?
(I'm ok with the quality - I just want a more rugged SLR.)