I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

On 5/31/2012 9:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

I didn't want to post this one because the floor looks gross but hell,
it's been hidden. The only thing in there is where the waste water goes
south.

http://i48.tinypic.com/10x4p6g.jpg

On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400, Cheryl
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

I wouldn't do it. You'd have to be a contortionist to make use of it.
The time is past. Just cuss out whoever didn't think of using a
corner cabinet, forgive, accept, and forget.

--
Vic

On May 31, 8:38*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400, Cheryl
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. *The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. *How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

I wouldn't do it. *You'd have to be a contortionist to make use of it.
The time is past. *Just cuss out whoever didn't think of using a
corner cabinet, forgive, accept, and forget.

--
Vic

If you want some almost dead storage, you could use a drill to make a
pilot hole in the sidewall or either cabinet, and then use a sabre saw
to cut the opening. BUT, if you think you might want a shelf in that
space, build the shelf and do your cutting before they come to install
tromorrow. Mayvbe you could ask them to delay a day or two while you
cut the opening and build the shelf.

On 5/31/2012 10:14 PM, hr(bob) wrote:
On May 31, 8:38 pm, Vic wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400,
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

I wouldn't do it. You'd have to be a contortionist to make use of it.
The time is past. Just cuss out whoever didn't think of using a
corner cabinet, forgive, accept, and forget.

--
Vic

If you want some almost dead storage, you could use a drill to make a
pilot hole in the sidewall or either cabinet, and then use a sabre saw
to cut the opening. BUT, if you think you might want a shelf in that
space, build the shelf and do your cutting before they come to install
tromorrow. Mayvbe you could ask them to delay a day or two while you
cut the opening and build the shelf.

I'm starting to agree with Vic about the difficulty using that space.
But looking at the pic again it might be a good time to move the water
line to my ice maker-filtered water in the fridge before they put in the
countertops. That should be a 15 min job since the line has plenty of
slack.

Thanks for the honest answers.

Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were
removed I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are
already templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too
late to reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the
sides. How would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of
the next door neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Forget about it. Even if the cabinets had been constructed to access the
corner space via a lazy susan it would be a PITA, Best thing is to avoid
butting cabinets at corners.

If you just gotta use it, make it into a hidey-hole for your valuables; cut
hole in side at bottom, remove bottom drawer when you want to access the new
space.



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On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400, Cheryl
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

If they are both outside walls, then just add some insulation to them
& put a time capsule in there.

If one is an inside wall, then look into that room for a
cupboard/drawer storage space.

Sometimes you just lose space. I had a lazy susan corner in my
kitchen for 10 years. Last remodel [10-15 yrs ago] I took it out to
make room for a dishwasher. I don't miss the lazy susan. I
hated looking at that wasted space-- but I don't stay up nights [very
often] anymore worrying about it.g

I even considered a corner garage on an elevator that would go down
into that space to give me more counter space.

Jim

On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400, Cheryl
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

Forget about fixing this space now. To late. Builder grade cabinets
vs custom cabinets.

This space would better be used from the beginning using a corner
carousel kitchen cabinet unit. (lazy susan)

Pic:

http://www.arena-kitchens.co.uk/images/kitchen-mondo-carousel-cabinet.jpg

"Cheryl" wrote in message
.com...
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed I
see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg


Hey, that would be a nice room for grandma!

On 5/31/2012 8:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg


Just saw this thread--

Must agree w/ the others that to do anything useful would require
redoing the cabinets on both sides as well and there's not enough shown
in the picture to know if that is feasible.

This old farmhouse has quite small kitchen area also around a corner as
yours. I built cabinets for the folks when they redid the house and we
did fit one 30" cabinet on the side of the range and another on the side
of the sink on the other wall. That left an 8" opening on each side in
the corner and we then built a custom lazy susan to fit the hole. In
order to make it useful we maximized the diameter but cut a square
corner out of the shelves so the doors to it could fit in the same line
as the cabinet faces (overlay doors, face-frame cabinets).

We were unable to find a pre-fab unit that either
a) would fit the space as well w/o a 45 degree angle face or
b) wasn't so flimsy in construction as to likely fail in a few years.

This one uses a 1-1/2" black iron pipe as the center rail and Krause
one-way plow thrust bearings as the shelf supports. Each shelf will
easily support 200 lb so it can be loaded heavily. In this kitchen,
doing w/o that storage would be a major drawback...

I don't have any pictures at hand, but if the project isn't already
complete and want a layout, post back and I'll see what I can do.

The counter top you have would still work w/ this layout but you would
have to significantly alter the cabinets either side so you would have
to hold up in having the permanent installation of the counter while you
got the other pieces/parts ordered/built and fitted...that may or may
not be feasible to your project schedule/budget, no way to judge.

------------------------
| | / \|
| | | susan |
| | \__table /|
---------------| \___/ |
--- |-------|
susan || | Cabinets
doors | |
| |
|-------|
| |
| |

Terribly crude and you'll have to have a fixed-width font to make any
sense at all of it.

Note the two doors are separate and the right hand one (vertical in
drawing) overlaps the other, they're not hinged in the middle nor are
they a 90-deg single door.

--

On Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:24:17 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

How the hell would you make any sort of sensible access from the TOP?

How would I tackle cutting through the neighbor cabinets to make use of the space? With a saw.

Frankly I would figure out some shelving to put in there BEFORE the countertops go in. It's going to be difficult to do it afterwards. The shelves will have to go in in small pieces.

On 6/1/2012 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:24:17 PM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

How the hell would you make any sort of sensible access from the TOP?

if it were not granite, you could use the same way they access most
sailboat reefers: they don't have a swing out door, but are installed in
a cabinet with a liftout trap door from the top.

How would I tackle cutting through the neighbor cabinets to make use of the space? With a saw.

Frankly I would figure out some shelving to put in there BEFORE the countertops go in. It's going to be difficult to do it afterwards. The shelves will have to go in in small pieces.

there is a mechanism for this already but i can't seen to find the
youtube on it.

there's also this

http://www.magiccorners.com/kitchen-organizers/32-half-moon-pivot-and-slide-shelves-_WLD-4WLS882-32-570.php

which attaches to the door and pivots out.

Cheryl wrote:
I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were
removed I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are
already templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too
late to reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the
sides. How would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of
the next door neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?

Pic:
http://i48.tinypic.com/v8d6vt.jpg

Another good place to use the multifunction tool. Cut the bottom of eash side
flush with the existing shelves, and the top 3-4 inches below the "top" of each
section to leave enough wood to retain strength. Similarly, leave structure on
the front and back edges. Add plywood shelves with posts in the corners to
support them from the floor, each other, and the top (to help support the
counter).

The multifunction tool is slow, bey will leave you with smooth, chip free edges
if used carefully.

On 6/1/2012 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
....

... I built cabinets for the folks when they redid the house and we
did fit one 30" cabinet on the side of the range and another on the side
of the sink on the other wall. That left an 8" opening on each side in
the corner and we then built a custom lazy susan to fit the hole. In
order to make it useful we maximized the diameter but cut a square
corner out of the shelves so the doors to it could fit in the same line
as the cabinet faces (overlay doors, face-frame cabinets).
....

OK, following up from the link of the other poster...

Idea is this although built much more stoutly and includes a "can"
surrounding the outside to keep stuff from falling behind into the void...

http://www.magiccorners.com/pie-shaped.php

You have to make room for the front w/ this; the other sacrifices the
one cabinet you already have which overall may not be a win given the
limitations on the shelf size of the half-moon to make the bend.

IOW, you can't get something for nothing...

--

On 6/1/2012 1:30 PM, dpb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
...

... I built cabinets for the folks when they redid the house and we
did fit one 30" cabinet on the side of the range and another on the side
of the sink on the other wall. That left an 8" opening on each side in
the corner and we then built a custom lazy susan to fit the hole. In
order to make it useful we maximized the diameter but cut a square
corner out of the shelves so the doors to it could fit in the same line
as the cabinet faces (overlay doors, face-frame cabinets).
...

OK, following up from the link of the other poster...

Idea is this although built much more stoutly and includes a "can"
surrounding the outside to keep stuff from falling behind into the void...

http://www.magiccorners.com/pie-shaped.php

You have to make room for the front w/ this; the other sacrifices the
one cabinet you already have which overall may not be a win given the
limitations on the shelf size of the half-moon to make the bend.

IOW, you can't get something for nothing...

--

here's another one

http://www.shelvesthatslide.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=STS&Screen=PROD&Category_C ode=BC&Product_Code=RV5PSP15

On 6/1/2012 3:35 PM, chaniarts wrote:
....

here's another one

http://www.shelvesthatslide.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=STS&Screen=PROD&Category_C ode=BC&Product_Code=RV5PSP15

That I hadn't seen before...wonder how well it will last; how awkward it
really is to push if heavily loaded. Not inexpensive but looks at least
reasonably well-built.

--

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:30:08 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 6/1/2012 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
...

... I built cabinets for the folks when they redid the house and we
did fit one 30" cabinet on the side of the range and another on the side
of the sink on the other wall. That left an 8" opening on each side in
the corner and we then built a custom lazy susan to fit the hole. In
order to make it useful we maximized the diameter but cut a square
corner out of the shelves so the doors to it could fit in the same line
as the cabinet faces (overlay doors, face-frame cabinets).
...

OK, following up from the link of the other poster...

Idea is this although built much more stoutly and includes a "can"
surrounding the outside to keep stuff from falling behind into the void...

http://www.magiccorners.com/pie-shaped.php

You have to make room for the front w/ this; the other sacrifices the
one cabinet you already have which overall may not be a win given the
limitations on the shelf size of the half-moon to make the bend.

IOW, you can't get something for nothing...

This photo is a nice build. Has to be done when the cabinets get
installed. Not a builder grade cabinet.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2101/2206249667_cfb3142d35_z.jpg?zz=1

On 6/1/2012 4:01 PM, Oren wrote:
....

This photo is a nice build. Has to be done when the cabinets get
installed. Not a builder grade cabinet.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2101/2206249667_cfb3142d35_z.jpg?zz=1

Nice build, indeed. Ugly as sin, but build is nice...

OP would have to redo cabinets no matter what (anything reasonable,
anyway; cutting into interior sides of existing and such suggestions
being ignored as frivolous). Other options would allow for the (aiui
already ordered/maybe arrived?) countertop to be used; this would mean
redoing it as well.

--

On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:24:17 -0400, Cheryl
wrote:

I'm having new countertops installed and once the old ones were removed
I see a good deal of wasted space. The tops (granite) are already
templated and cut and ready to install tomorrow so it's too late to
reconfigure from the top, so it would have to be from the sides. How
would you tackle cutting through the sides of either of the next door
neighbor cabinets and make use of this space?


It is possible to cut the cabinet side open using either a circular
saw or jig saw. Putting in a shelf is more difficult given the short
time.

Really a shame that the original designer was such a hack. There are
cabinets made just for the purpose of using that space. You can get
corner cabinets with a lazy susan, you can get end cabinets that
extend into the dead space.

If you do open the space, it is OK for large items like little used
pans that can be slid into place.

On 6/1/2012 8:24 PM, gonjah wrote:
....

We have a space like that and we use it for items we don't use often. ...

How?

--

On 6/1/2012 9:55 PM, gonjah wrote:
On 6/1/2012 9:40 PM, dpb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 8:24 PM, gonjah wrote:
...

We have a space like that and we use it for items we don't use often.
...

How?
....
Heh. The cabinet extends. Guess I didn't make that clear

? In what fashion?

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On 6/1/2012 3:35 PM, chaniarts wrote:
On 6/1/2012 1:30 PM, dpb wrote:
On 6/1/2012 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
...

... I built cabinets for the folks when they redid the house and we
did fit one 30" cabinet on the side of the range and another on the
side
of the sink on the other wall. That left an 8" opening on each side in
the corner and we then built a custom lazy susan to fit the hole. In
order to make it useful we maximized the diameter but cut a square
corner out of the shelves so the doors to it could fit in the same line
as the cabinet faces (overlay doors, face-frame cabinets).
...

OK, following up from the link of the other poster...

Idea is this although built much more stoutly and includes a "can"
surrounding the outside to keep stuff from falling behind into the
void...

http://www.magiccorners.com/pie-shaped.php

You have to make room for the front w/ this; the other sacrifices the
one cabinet you already have which overall may not be a win given the
limitations on the shelf size of the half-moon to make the bend.

IOW, you can't get something for nothing...

--

here's another one

http://www.shelvesthatslide.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=STS&Screen=PROD&Category_C ode=BC&Product_Code=RV5PSP15


I hope my wife doesn't see this.

On 6/1/2012 10:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

It is possible to cut the cabinet side open using either a circular
saw or jig saw. Putting in a shelf is more difficult given the short
time.

Really a shame that the original designer was such a hack. There are
cabinets made just for the purpose of using that space. You can get
corner cabinets with a lazy susan, you can get end cabinets that
extend into the dead space.

If you do open the space, it is OK for large items like little used
pans that can be slid into place.

Hi Ed. Thanks, and thanks everyone for the ideas. It was fun to read
and get ideas for later, but this space is gone forever. There just
wasn't enough time before the counter top install to do anything with
it. Shame. In a small kitchen you need all the space you can get.