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OT 15 April Titanic.
One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic..._commemoration Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. |
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harry wrote:
One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
harry wrote: One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote: I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. Weren't the tubs of the time heavy metal things that probably would have just sunk like a rock anyway. -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. The ship was carrying lots of cargo, so I'm sure there would have been lots of wood crates, etc. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. I'm sure the tubs had plugs or stoppers as standard equipment. And I'm sure there were plenty of axes and other tools on a ship like that. And I think the staterooms were on the upper levels of the ship (not far below decks). And I think there was enough time to hack or break out the tubs (didn't the ship take more than 2 hours to sink?). And - I would think there would have been enough life-or-death motivation to make all this happen. |
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On Apr 14, 10:12*am, Home Guy wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. The ship was carrying lots of cargo, so I'm sure there would have been lots of wood crates, etc. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. I'm sure the tubs had plugs or stoppers as standard equipment. And I'm sure there were plenty of axes and other tools on a ship like that. And I think the staterooms were on the upper levels of the ship (not far below decks). And I think there was enough time to hack or break out the tubs (didn't the ship take more than 2 hours to sink?). And - I would think there would have been enough life-or-death motivation to make all this happen. most passengers didnt believe there was real danger, after all it was advertised as unsinkable, and it went down fast. recent news said most passengers thought it was safer to stay onboard |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:12:03 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. The ship was carrying lots of cargo, so I'm sure there would have been lots of wood crates, etc. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. I'm sure the tubs had plugs or stoppers as standard equipment. And I'm sure there were plenty of axes and other tools on a ship like that. And I think the staterooms were on the upper levels of the ship (not far below decks). And I think there was enough time to hack or break out the tubs (didn't the ship take more than 2 hours to sink?). And - I would think there would have been enough life-or-death motivation to make all this happen. Wow, if only you were aboard, no lives would have been lost. Considering this took place 100 years ago and you've never seen the ship, you sure made a lot of suppositions. What wee the tubs made from? Used to be cast iron, but on the ship, I have no idea. |
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In article , Home Guy wrote:
How exactly do bodies become "badly damaged" after being in cold water - for only 3 days? My guess would be badly damaged as in torn apart and traumatized. Other wise they probably would have been talking about decomposition. -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
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harry wrote:
One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic..._commemoration Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. Eighty-five percent of the women and children survived; seventy-five percent of the men were lost. It was a different time. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
harry wrote: One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. "...At 2.20 am, it sank, breaking loose from the bow section. The remaining passengers and crew were plunged into lethally cold water with a temperature of only 28 °F (-2 °C). Almost all of those in the water died of hypothermia or cardiac arrest within minutes or drowned" A floatation aid wouldn't help.... |
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I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... |
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Oren wrote:
I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Almost all of those in the water died of hypothermia or cardiac arrest within minutes or drowned" A floatation aid wouldn't help.... Have you seen what the inside of that ship looked like? They must have used several forests worth of wood. Last I heard, wood floats... |
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message m... In article , Home Guy wrote: How exactly do bodies become "badly damaged" after being in cold water - for only 3 days? My guess would be badly damaged as in torn apart and traumatized. Other wise they probably would have been talking about decomposition. Lots of hungry fish in the sea. Charlie |
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On 4/14/2012 9:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home wrote: harry wrote: One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. The comment did come from someone who lives in fantasy land... |
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They must have used several forests worth of wood. Last I heard, wood floats... But you need to not only float but to stay out of the water. How would you go about doing that? Besides, it sank within 3 hours (~2:45 IIRC). Who would you pull off of manning lifeboats to get all this stuff? How would you move it from the hold, especially with many of the decks already flooded? How is all this supposed to happen in the small time frame? -- People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, until patients started presenting with sexually acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz |
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On 4/14/2012 8:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home wrote: harry wrote: One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. there was plenty of stuff to grab onto not to mention they had on life vests. The main problem was the 29 degree water. A person only last a few min at that temp even if they are in good shape. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 4/14/2012 9:12 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. The ship was carrying lots of cargo, so I'm sure there would have been lots of wood crates, etc. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. I'm sure the tubs had plugs or stoppers as standard equipment. And I'm sure there were plenty of axes and other tools on a ship like that. And I think the staterooms were on the upper levels of the ship (not far below decks). And I think there was enough time to hack or break out the tubs (didn't the ship take more than 2 hours to sink?). And - I would think there would have been enough life-or-death motivation to make all this happen. another major problem is that the situation was downplayed until the latter minutes and no one actually thought she would sink. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 4/14/2012 8:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:28:54 -0400, Home wrote: harry wrote: One hundred years ago today (15 April) the Titanic sank. I thought it was too big to sink. Almost 3/4 of the passengers were drowned including several American millionaires. I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Weren't there enough bathtubs in the staterooms that could have been used as one-person mini-boats? I can possibly agree with the wood theory, but removing tubs, plugging drain holes and getting them launched is quite the fantasy. If you're going to drown nothing is out of the question. Would a bathtub float with a person in it? There have been studies done on "what they could have done" but unfortunanly that's Monday morning quarterbacking. I think many believed it wasn't going to sink, until it did. One idea was to tie all the deck chairs together. |
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There have been studies done on "what they could have done" but unfortunanly that's Monday morning quarterbacking. I think many believed it wasn't going to sink, until it did. It is difficult to second guess... One possible solution might have been to remain close to the iceberg, and find a way to climb aboard the iceberg. I imagine that is not easy but might be the best alternative. It was the only thing for miles around floating. It's a real shame that the wireless (radio) safety rules were not in effect, there were other ships in the area but their radios were off for the night. Mark |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:57:37 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
" wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:59:40 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Almost all of those in the water died of hypothermia or cardiac arrest within minutes or drowned" A floatation aid wouldn't help.... Have you seen what the inside of that ship looked like? Only in the movie. They must have used several forests worth of wood. Last I heard, wood floats... Some wood floats better than others. Have you been in rough 8 foot seas in the North Atlantic? Maybe they could get some hammers, nails and duct tape in the ship's gift shop? You don't build a raft like Huck Finn's in a short time. |
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On 4/14/2012 2:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:59:40 -0400, Home wrote: Oren wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Almost all of those in the water died of hypothermia or cardiac arrest within minutes or drowned" A floatation aid wouldn't help.... Have you seen what the inside of that ship looked like? Only in the movie. I saw parts of it at the Titanic exhibit. They must have used several forests worth of wood. Last I heard, wood floats... Some wood floats better than others. Have you been in rough 8 foot seas in the North Atlantic? The sea that night was dead calm. Maybe they could get some hammers, nails and duct tape in the ship's gift shop? You don't build a raft like Huck Finn's in a short time. True enough but there was lots of material to make quick floatation devices (and filling the life boats would have helped immensely) |
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" wrote:
You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. |
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On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote:
" wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:14:05 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
" wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Yet all 1500 used your idea to survive. You are really that stupid, HomeMoron. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:
On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:04:48 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:59:40 -0400, Home Guy wrote: Oren wrote: I always found it strange that there wasn't enough wood or other light-weight materials onboard that could have been scavanged to make ad-hoc rafts or other floatation aids. Almost all of those in the water died of hypothermia or cardiac arrest within minutes or drowned" A floatation aid wouldn't help.... Have you seen what the inside of that ship looked like? Only in the movie. They must have used several forests worth of wood. Last I heard, wood floats... Some wood floats better than others. None floats very well. To survive in that environment one has to stay *dry*. Have you been in rough 8 foot seas in the North Atlantic? Floating on a pile of garbage? Maybe they could get some hammers, nails and duct tape in the ship's gift shop? You don't build a raft like Huck Finn's in a short time. ....and sail it in the N. Atlantic in April. ...but that's a Canuckistani, for ya, eh? |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:38:00 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:
On 4/14/2012 3:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Joke Why? We already have you two. Isn't that enough to turn anyone's stomach? |
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On 4/14/2012 3:41 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:38:00 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Joke Why? We already have you two. Isn't that enough to turn anyone's stomach? Apparently, actually reading something before you comment is an option for you. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:45:44 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:
On 4/14/2012 3:41 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:38:00 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Joke Why? We already have you two. Isn't that enough to turn anyone's stomach? Apparently, actually reading something before you comment is an option for you. I read what you wrote. I have no interest in climbing through any of your links to who knows where. |
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On 4/14/2012 3:49 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:45:44 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:41 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:38:00 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Joke Why? We already have you two. Isn't that enough to turn anyone's stomach? Apparently, actually reading something before you comment is an option for you. I read what you wrote. I have no interest in climbing through any of your links to who knows where. Where is that............plonk |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:11:41 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:
Have you been in rough 8 foot seas in the North Atlantic? The sea that night was dead calm. Define "dead calm". An 8 foot sea swell is calmer than a 25 footer. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:56:20 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:
On 4/14/2012 3:49 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:45:44 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:41 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:38:00 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:15:58 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: On 4/14/2012 3:14 PM, Home Guy wrote: " wrote: You do know the water is rather chilly in the N. Atlantic in April? Yes - hence the point about using any available materials or objects to make a raft or floation aid to stay above the water. LOL! A raft wouldn't keep them warm. Including ripping out any handy bathtubs... No chance of swamping a bathtub, either. What a moron. LOL yourself. You'd beat your own mother for a chance to float on the last pile of wood or in the only bathtub available if it meant saving your own hide. Where's the "like" button. Two peas; no brains. http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Joke Why? We already have you two. Isn't that enough to turn anyone's stomach? Apparently, actually reading something before you comment is an option for you. I read what you wrote. I have no interest in climbing through any of your links to who knows where. Where is that............plonk Oh, the poor baby announced to the world that he plonked me. I'm *so* sad! what a dumbass |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:28:35 -0400, "
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On 4/14/2012 3:57 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:11:41 -0500, gonjahgonjah.net wrote: Have you been in rough 8 foot seas in the North Atlantic? The sea that night was dead calm. Define "dead calm". An 8 foot sea swell is calmer than a 25 footer. g I'm not an expert. I'm a landlubber. Much calmer than when I went on my cruise to Nassau and half the ship was sick. I'll admit I'm going on what little I know about the incident but maybe "very calm" would be more accurate. |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:58:02 -0400, "
wrote: Where is that............plonk Oh, the poor baby announced to the world that he plonked me. I'm *so* sad! A Plonkasuarus got me the other day. Was your's a Mormon or a Liberal? |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:16:18 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:58:02 -0400, " wrote: Where is that............plonk Oh, the poor baby announced to the world that he plonked me. I'm *so* sad! A Plonkasuarus got me the other day. Was your's a Mormon or a Liberal? Certainly; moron lefty. |
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OT 15 April Titanic.
On 4/14/2012 4:16 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:58:02 -0400, " wrote: Where is that............plonk Oh, the poor baby announced to the world that he plonked me. I'm *so* sad! A Plonkasuarus got me the other day. Was your's a Mormon or a Liberal? I now-have five people in my kf. He should feel honored. |
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