A friend obtained a large cache of nice used longleaf pine. He wants
to install some of it in his great room, 20' X 40'. The floor
presently has 1/16" or 3/32" peel & stick tile, installed 25 yrs ago.
He's debating whether to remove the tile, before installing the pine.
I recommended he remove it.

He's thinking the tile may act as a moisture barrier, plus, he thinks
it simply doesn't matter if the tile stays or not. I don't know
enough about flooring to advise him expertly, regarding his specific
scenario. There's nothing wrong with the tile and the floor's
structure/foundation, etc. is solid. The house is on pillars.

Accommodating doors, casings & doorways, i.e., raising the floor level
vs other rooms, is not a problem, as he has enough pine to install in
some other rooms, which he's planning to do, later, also. Those other
rooms have some sort of sheet vinyl flooring.

Should the tile be removed? Recommendations, comments, criticism,
etc. welcome.

Thanks.
Sonny

On Feb 4, 11:01*am, Sonny wrote:
A friend obtained a large cache of nice used longleaf pine. *He wants
to install some of it in his great room, 20' X 40'. *The floor
presently has 1/16" or 3/32" peel & stick tile, installed 25 yrs ago.
He's debating whether to remove the tile, before installing the pine.
I recommended he remove it.

He's thinking the tile may act as a moisture barrier, plus, he thinks
it simply doesn't matter if the tile stays or not. *I don't know
enough about flooring to advise him expertly, regarding his specific
scenario. *There's nothing wrong with the tile and the floor's
structure/foundation, etc. is solid. *The house is on pillars.

Accommodating doors, casings & doorways, i.e., raising the floor level
vs other rooms, is not a problem, as he has enough pine to install in
some other rooms, which he's planning to do, later, also. *Those other
rooms have some sort of sheet vinyl flooring.

Should the tile be removed? *Recommendations, comments, criticism,
etc. welcome.

Thanks.
Sonny

If the tiles are in good condition & well adhered and he's nailing the
wood floor down I wouldn't worry about it.

If he's gluing the pine down then he's going to be depending on the
two adhesive bonds; wood to tile and tile to original floor.
If either gives up he's got a problem. With a nailed (brad nailed or
flooring fasteners) installed if the glue fails the floor still stays
put.

cheers
Bob

Sonny wrote:
A friend obtained a large cache of nice used longleaf pine. He wants
to install some of it in his great room, 20' X 40'. The floor
presently has 1/16" or 3/32" peel & stick tile, installed 25 yrs ago.
He's debating whether to remove the tile, before installing the pine.
I recommended he remove it.

He's thinking the tile may act as a moisture barrier, plus, he thinks
it simply doesn't matter if the tile stays or not. I don't know
enough about flooring to advise him expertly, regarding his specific
scenario. There's nothing wrong with the tile and the floor's
structure/foundation, etc. is solid. The house is on pillars.

Accommodating doors, casings & doorways, i.e., raising the floor level
vs other rooms, is not a problem, as he has enough pine to install in
some other rooms, which he's planning to do, later, also. Those other
rooms have some sort of sheet vinyl flooring.

Should the tile be removed? Recommendations, comments, criticism,
etc. welcome.

If he's resisting removing the tile because of the work involved, he might
consider this:

There exists a scraper blade for a reciprocating saw that turns a Sawzall
into a powered scraper! Removes stick-on tile, and here I speak from
experience, like a duck through butter.

This blade - in three or so different widths - is available at the box
stores. It can even be resharpened.

On Feb 5, 7:48*am, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 4, 3:59*pm, DD_BobK wrote:









On Feb 4, 11:01*am, Sonny wrote:

A friend obtained a large cache of nice used longleaf pine. *He wants
to install some of it in his great room, 20' X 40'. *The floor
presently has 1/16" or 3/32" peel & stick tile, installed 25 yrs ago.
He's debating whether to remove the tile, before installing the pine.
I recommended he remove it.

He's thinking the tile may act as a moisture barrier, plus, he thinks
it simply doesn't matter if the tile stays or not. *I don't know
enough about flooring to advise him expertly, regarding his specific
scenario. *There's nothing wrong with the tile and the floor's
structure/foundation, etc. is solid. *The house is on pillars.

Accommodating doors, casings & doorways, i.e., raising the floor level
vs other rooms, is not a problem, as he has enough pine to install in
some other rooms, which he's planning to do, later, also. *Those other
rooms have some sort of sheet vinyl flooring.

Should the tile be removed? *Recommendations, comments, criticism,
etc. welcome.

Thanks.
Sonny

If the tiles are in good condition & well adhered and he's nailing the
wood floor down I wouldn't worry about it.

If he's gluing the pine down then he's going to be depending on the
two adhesive bonds; wood to tile and tile to original floor.
If either gives up he's got a problem. With a nailed (brad nailed or
flooring fasteners) installed if the glue fails the floor still stays
put.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

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I would pull all the tile and inspect the floor for smoothness and
loose boards, and sand rough areas.

do the job right and only do it once!

Agree - He is correct with wanting a moisture barrier, but by
experience with adhesive tiles is they will eventually loosen. Then
put down a proper moisture barrier of roofing felt and install the
flooring. The felt also dampens any noise if flooring eventually
loosens a bit.

RonB

On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 05:48:08 -0800 (PST), bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:59*pm, DD_BobK wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:01*am, Sonny wrote:





A friend obtained a large cache of nice used longleaf pine. *He wants
to install some of it in his great room, 20' X 40'. *The floor
presently has 1/16" or 3/32" peel & stick tile, installed 25 yrs ago.
He's debating whether to remove the tile, before installing the pine.
I recommended he remove it.

He's thinking the tile may act as a moisture barrier, plus, he thinks
it simply doesn't matter if the tile stays or not. *I don't know
enough about flooring to advise him expertly, regarding his specific
scenario. *There's nothing wrong with the tile and the floor's
structure/foundation, etc. is solid. *The house is on pillars.

Accommodating doors, casings & doorways, i.e., raising the floor level
vs other rooms, is not a problem, as he has enough pine to install in
some other rooms, which he's planning to do, later, also. *Those other
rooms have some sort of sheet vinyl flooring.

Should the tile be removed? *Recommendations, comments, criticism,
etc. welcome.

Thanks.
Sonny

If the tiles are in good condition & well adhered and he's nailing the
wood floor down I wouldn't worry about it.

If he's gluing the pine down then he's going to be depending on the
two adhesive bonds; wood to tile and tile to original floor.
If either gives up he's got a problem. With a nailed (brad nailed or
flooring fasteners) installed if the glue fails the floor still stays
put.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would pull all the tile and inspect the floor for smoothness and
loose boards, and sand rough areas.

....and make sure the subfloor is tightly fastened to the joists. When we
replaced the carpeting in our last house I used just short of 2000 screws
securing the subfloor.

do the job right and only do it once!

Yep. The second chance is a lot harder.