This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...hu_mixdown.mp3

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...drain-cleaner/

On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...hu_mixdown.mp3

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...drain-cleaner/

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD

On Jan 7, 9:50*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:





This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown...

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight..

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...-photo-id-to-b...

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

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I's say just wait a bit. Looks like just another
example of a kook politician and other politicians
who didn't know what they were even voting for.
I predict it will soon be repealed. It apparently is
very broad and applies to more than just drain
cleaner. But it's a good example of the many
loon politicians out there today. Anytime anything
bad happens, they assume just one more half-baked
law is the solution.

On 1/7/2012 8:57 AM, wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:50 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:





This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown...

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...-photo-id-to-b...

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I's say just wait a bit. Looks like just another
example of a kook politician and other politicians
who didn't know what they were even voting for.
I predict it will soon be repealed. It apparently is
very broad and applies to more than just drain
cleaner. But it's a good example of the many
loon politicians out there today. Anytime anything
bad happens, they assume just one more half-baked
law is the solution.

Like The TSA? o_O

TDD

You know how to make a northern boy so proud. You are the ultimate par
excellance! Y'all write more, hear?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

cleaner. But it's a good example of the many
loon politicians out there today. Anytime anything
bad happens, they assume just one more half-baked
law is the solution.

Like The TSA? o_O

TDD

On 1/7/2012 5:21 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I's say just wait a bit. Looks like just another
example of a kook politician and other politicians
who didn't know what they were even voting for.
I predict it will soon be repealed. It apparently is
very broad and applies to more than just drain
cleaner. But it's a good example of the many
loon politicians out there today. Anytime anything
bad happens, they assume just one more half-baked
law is the solution.

Like The TSA? o_O

TDD


Or the "patriot act" which has been renewed a number of times with both
"teams" holding hands.

Things aren't going to change unless folks wake up and realize the red
vs blue team circus is just to keep everyone distracted.

On 1/8/2012 7:19 AM, George wrote:
On 1/7/2012 5:21 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I's say just wait a bit. Looks like just another
example of a kook politician and other politicians
who didn't know what they were even voting for.
I predict it will soon be repealed. It apparently is
very broad and applies to more than just drain
cleaner. But it's a good example of the many
loon politicians out there today. Anytime anything
bad happens, they assume just one more half-baked
law is the solution.

Like The TSA? o_O

TDD


Or the "patriot act" which has been renewed a number of times with both
"teams" holding hands.

Things aren't going to change unless folks wake up and realize the red
vs blue team circus is just to keep everyone distracted.

I always thought The Patriot Act was Republicans giving Democrats
another tool to use to destroy the country whenever they got into
power. o_O

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote in
:

On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign
a log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of
the store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the
(cashier) and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown.
mp3

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one
called police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call
police immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date
of birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date
and time of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the
net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator
claimed not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other
retailers in the area. He said he and other store personnel had to
call to a number of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in
the store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He
said he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill
will prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,”
Schroeder said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...photo-id-to-bu
y-drain-cleaner/

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD


They're not all caustic?

On 1/7/2012 11:54 AM, Red Green wrote:
The Daring wrote in
:

On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign
a log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of
the store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the
(cashier) and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown.
mp3

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one
called police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call
police immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date
of birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date
and time of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the
net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator
claimed not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other
retailers in the area. He said he and other store personnel had to
call to a number of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in
the store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He
said he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill
will prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,”
Schroeder said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...photo-id-to-bu
y-drain-cleaner/

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD


They're not all caustic?

I know, many of them are very nice as long as you don't turn your back
on them. ^_^

TDD

On Jan 7, 2:50*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:





This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown...

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight..

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...-photo-id-to-b...

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

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We have had this sort of thing here for a long time.
Some drain cleaners etc can be used to make bomms.
Lots of stuff over here has disappeared off the shelves or you need a
licence to buy it thanks to our scumbag muslim friends.

Would be bombers go to P@ckiland to learn the techniques of bommmm
making from household chemicals..

Best not to discuss it here, you may get put on a list by either of
our governments.

On Jan 7, 6:50*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:





This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown...

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight..

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...-photo-id-to-b...

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

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Be better to outlaw politicians who have no brains....guess that would
be most of tham.

Harry K

On 1/7/2012 3:26 PM, Harry K wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:50 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/7/2012 8:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:





This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...w2-thu_mixdown...

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...-photo-id-to-b...

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw caustic women? ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Be better to outlaw politicians who have no brains....guess that would
be most of tham.

Harry K

I know, prohibit caustic woman politicians. I can think of one Democrat
right off the bat. ^_^

TDD

On 1/7/2012 9:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.


Last fall I had to show ID to buy a bottle of Marine Formula STA-BIL at
a Walmart here in Michigan.

Ironically, I have to buy the STA-BIL to try and counteract the ****ing
ethanol the government forces refiners to put in gasoline.

Government stupidity is out of control here.

On 1/7/2012 10:01 AM, Jack Hoff wrote:
On 1/7/2012 9:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.


Last fall I had to show ID to buy a bottle of Marine Formula STA-BIL at
a Walmart here in Michigan.

Ironically, I have to buy the STA-BIL to try and counteract the ****ing
ethanol the government forces refiners to put in gasoline.

Government stupidity is out of control here.

Couple of years ago, Walmart checked my age to buy a brick of .22's. I
was only a kid in my late 60's at the time.

Then there was K-mart that wanted to know if I was over 17 to buy a
bottle of doe pee lure. When I gave the clerk a birth date that said I
would be in my 40's, the women in back of me at the cashier's line damn
near fell on the floor laughing.

In article ,
Jack Hoff wrote:

On 1/7/2012 9:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) * A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.


Last fall I had to show ID to buy a bottle of Marine Formula STA-BIL at
a Walmart here in Michigan.

Ironically, I have to buy the STA-BIL to try and counteract the ****ing
ethanol the government forces refiners to put in gasoline.

Government stupidity is out of control here.
Yeha and it always works so well. I mean having to show ID to buy
Sudafed has solved that meth problem.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On 1/7/2012 11:50 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In articleB4CdnQTXPcb9w5XSnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews. com,
Jack wrote:

On 1/7/2012 9:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) * A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.


Last fall I had to show ID to buy a bottle of Marine Formula STA-BIL at
a Walmart here in Michigan.

Ironically, I have to buy the STA-BIL to try and counteract the ****ing
ethanol the government forces refiners to put in gasoline.

Government stupidity is out of control here.
Yeha and it always works so well. I mean having to show ID to buy
Sudafed has solved that meth problem.


I initially assumed the meth problem was the reason for this
restriction on drain cleaner, since that is another chemical that is
commonly used to make meth.

Back when I worked for a seed company, we used to sell 50 lb and 100
lb sacks of ammonium nitrate to whoever came in and asked for it. We'd
joke about how it could be used to make bombs. Thanks to Tim McVeigh
and his fellow terrorists, several states imposed restrictions on its
sale, and the feds have been moving to do the same.

OTOH, it's perfectly legal in my state to purchase syringes without a
prescription, but that hasn't stopped Walgreens and a couple other
chains from arbitrarily setting their own rules requiring a
prescription before they'll sell them. When they pulled that on me, I
asked why their company decided to regulate syringe sales when the
gov't said they didn't have to. They just shrugged, I just took my
business to the competition across the street, who had no issues about
selling me a legal product.

In article ,
Hell Toupee wrote:

OTOH, it's perfectly legal in my state to purchase syringes without a
prescription, but that hasn't stopped Walgreens and a couple other
chains from arbitrarily setting their own rules requiring a
prescription before they'll sell them. When they pulled that on me, I
asked why their company decided to regulate syringe sales when the
gov't said they didn't have to. They just shrugged, I just took my
business to the competition across the street, who had no issues about
selling me a legal product.

This may be related to it being regulated in some areas and not others.
Generally it is easier to do something nationwide than it is to try and
figure out which place it is legal and which it isn't.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Kurt Ullman wrote:

This may be related to it being regulated in some areas and not
others. Generally it is easier to do something nationwide than it is
to try and figure out which place it is legal and which it isn't.

For example, phosphates in detergents.

Hell Toupee wrote in
:


Back when I worked for a seed company, we used to sell 50 lb and 100
lb sacks of ammonium nitrate to whoever came in and asked for it. We'd
joke about how it could be used to make bombs. Thanks to Tim McVeigh
and his fellow terrorists, several states imposed restrictions on its
sale, and the feds have been moving to do the same.


incidentally,ammonium nitrate fertilizer has been changed to make it
useless for bombmaking.IIRC,they added sulfur and coated the prills.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

First, we must establish if pencils have legitimate sporting purpose?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news
Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

On 1/7/2012 10:23 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

I always thought banning wet floors and icy roads would be a good thing...

Unfortunately the pathetic defense goes something like "well you already
need to produce an ID card to do "x" as if that is a good thing.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

In high school In the 40's a kid stuck me in the buttocks and I had to go to
the school nurse to have the broken piece removed.
Also last year had to show ID to purchase Acetone or MEK don't recall which
one at Ace Hardware because had something to do with
people making some type of drugs. Everyone at the store knows me, but they
must keep records of those sales. WW

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
news
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

Socks & bagged ice Ed. Now THERE'S two things that needs to be controlled.
Do you know what kind of damage you can do with a sock full of ice cubes?!

On Jan 7, 12:59*pm, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote innews




On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. *People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. *When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

Socks & bagged ice Ed. Now THERE'S two things that needs to be controlled..
Do you know what kind of damage you can do with a sock full of ice cubes?!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know what kind of damage we used to do with socks full of sidewalk
chalk.

Halloween was a bit more, shall we say, "aggressive", when I was a kid.

DerbyDad03 wrote in
:

On Jan 7, 12:59*pm, Red Green wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote
innewsiogg75iugibk67dl9ko8rd2ccna51v
:





On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new
law following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two
Chicago women, badly scarring them.

Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. *People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. *When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the
skin. Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to
licensed people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom
being taken away.

Socks & bagged ice Ed. Now THERE'S two things that needs to be
controlled
.
Do you know what kind of damage you can do with a sock full of ice
cubes?
!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know what kind of damage we used to do with socks full of sidewalk
chalk.

Halloween was a bit more, shall we say, "aggressive", when I was a
kid.

When kids had balls vs bawling about being Ohfeeeeeeeeended.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
news
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.


Yet we can't ask for photo-ID for voting.....insane.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik wrote in
4:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
news
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.



State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.


Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.


Yet we can't ask for photo-ID for voting.....insane.



You're right! LOL!!!! not really funny though

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:01:52 -0600, Jim Yanik
wrote:

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.


Yet we can't ask for photo-ID for voting.....insane.


...and in Chicago dead people vote!

What a mess that city is known for. Somebody ought to build a fence
around the place. /rant

On Jan 7, 1:01*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote innews


On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. *People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. *When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

Yet we can't ask for photo-ID for voting.....insane.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Apparently not in your state, but there are laws requiring photo ID to
vote in others...

On Jan 8, 10:12*am, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:23:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. *People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. *When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

There is something even more deadly. *A man's penis. *Just think how
dangerous that thing is. *It can be used to poke out someones eyes,
stabbed into their chest to puncture their heart, used to smother
someone by shoving it down their throat, rip open someones rectum,
deafen someone by forcing it in their ears, and worst of all, it can
be used to make a woman get really fat around 9 months later.


Hmm. Give a whole new meaning to the term having a hard on?

On 1/8/2012 4:12 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:23:12 -0500, Ed wrote:

Eggs have been used to harm people and property too. People buying
eggs should have to sign for them. When I was in school a century
ago, a kid was savagely attacked with a pencil and it broke the skin.
Pencils are dangerous weapons and should only be sold to licensed
people with a real need to use them..

This is pathetic and sets a dangerous precedent to our freedom being
taken away.

There is something even more deadly. A man's penis. Just think how
dangerous that thing is. It can be used to poke out someones eyes,
stabbed into their chest to puncture their heart, used to smother
someone by shoving it down their throat, rip open someones rectum,
deafen someone by forcing it in their ears, and worst of all, it can
be used to make a woman get really fat around 9 months later.

I say the government should ban all penises, and require they be
removed from all babies at birth, as well as mandatory removal from
all adults. We cant allow these deadly weapons to remain in society
any longer.


But that's where most of a man's brains reside! o_O

TDD

On 1/7/2012 9:27 AM, Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

We are trying to catch up to to say Canada's numerous and extensive gun
control restrictions.

George wrote:

This is how you're losing your liberty in the USA.

We are trying to catch up to to say Canada's numerous and extensive
gun control restrictions.

You know, we probably don't have that many restrictions on long guns
(firearms mainly used for hunting that is).

But at least we don't have to show ID to buy Sudafed (pseudoephedrine).

And our highways, railway, bus and subway stations don't have federal
agents who compel you to submit to their searches or else you don't
travel.

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

Home Guy wrote in :

George wrote:

This is how you're losing your liberty in the USA.

We are trying to catch up to to say Canada's numerous and extensive
gun control restrictions.

You know, we probably don't have that many restrictions on long guns
(firearms mainly used for hunting that is).

But at least we don't have to show ID to buy Sudafed (pseudoephedrine).

And our highways, railway, bus and subway stations don't have federal
agents who compel you to submit to their searches or else you don't
travel.

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

If all the low-lifes here find that out they'll be heading up!

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:02:03 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

If all the low-lifes here find that out they'll be heading up!

If they have vehicle tags from "gun friendly" states, the may well be
accosted at the border.

You need a tag from Chicago to get into Canada.

On 1/7/2012 3:50 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:02:03 GMT, Red
wrote:

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

If all the low-lifes here find that out they'll be heading up!

If they have vehicle tags from "gun friendly" states, the may well be
accosted at the border.

You need a tag from Chicago to get into Canada.


I good friend of mine and his wife and daughter spent the entire day at
the Canadian border one time. When they checked his vehicle they found
he had an old ammo can in the trunk that he used to store some small
tools. Apparently it violated some Canadian munitions act because it
once held ammunition...

On 1/7/2012 1:02 PM, Red Green wrote:
Home wrote in :

George wrote:

This is how you're losing your liberty in the USA.

We are trying to catch up to to say Canada's numerous and extensive
gun control restrictions.

You know, we probably don't have that many restrictions on long guns
(firearms mainly used for hunting that is).

But at least we don't have to show ID to buy Sudafed (pseudoephedrine).

And our highways, railway, bus and subway stations don't have federal
agents who compel you to submit to their searches or else you don't
travel.

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

If all the low-lifes here find that out they'll be heading up!

What state requires fingerprints for DL?

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:

But at least we don't have to show ID to buy Sudafed.

And our highways, railway, bus and subway stations don't have
federal agents who compel you to submit to their searches or
else you don't travel.

And we don't provide fingerprints to get drivers licenses.

What state requires fingerprints for DL?

According to these:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=360357
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....5d0b4be373171d

As of 2003/2004:

California, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Texas.

West Virginia asks for a fingerprint, but you can decline.

Seems that Kentucky also requires it.

According to this:

http://clpex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1082&p=8454

Oklahoma also requires (or did require?) finger prints. Colorado also
requires them.

I took a bit of an interest in this idea that in the US, that some
levels of gov't was requiring fingerprints of it's otherwise law-abiding
citizens back when an Oregon lawyer was charged by the FBI for the
Madrid train bombings in 2004:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...ug=mayfield25m

-------------
A federal judge yesterday cleared Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield of
ties to the Madrid train bombings after the FBI made the stunning
admission that it erred when analyzing a copy of fingerprints.

The flawed case against Mayfield raises new concerns about the
reliability of FBI procedures used in fingerprint forensic science. In
making the link between Mayfield and a blue plastic bag containing
detonators found near a Madrid train station, FBI officials relied on a
digital copy of prints that Jordan said was of "substandard quality."

Mayfield said he suspected authorities had him under surveillance and
entered his home in the days before his arrest under the "sneak and
peek" search warrants allowed by the Patriot Act. Mayfield said he and
his wife noticed that a deadbolt lock they don't use had been locked and
found other signs that someone had been in their home.
-------------

I found it strange that the FBI would have on record the fingerprints of
an Oregon lawyer, and that his prints were (mis)identified as being a
match for the ones found on the Madrid bomb evidence.

At the time I asked in a few forums how the FBI would have someone's
fingerprints - and was told that some US states require fingerprints
when you obtain driver's licenses.

Home Guy wrote:
This is how you're loosing your liberty in the USA.

One piece of ID at a time.

====================================

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners
and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a
log.

It’s getting a rough reception from customers and merchants alike
although perhaps none more than a cashier at Schroeder’s True Value
Hardware in Lombard.

“They’re not very happy about it at all,” said Don Schroeder, one of the
store’s owners. “One of the customers actually threatened the (cashier)
and threatened to throw the acid on her.”

LISTEN: WBBM Newsradio’s Bob Roberts reports
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...hu_mixdown.mp3

Although the customer did not make good on the threat, and no one called
police, other employees of Schroeder’s said they would call police
immediately if any similar threat is made.

The law, which took effect Sunday, requires those who seek to buy
caustic or noxious substances, except for batteries, to provide
government-issued photo identification that shows their name and date of
birth. The cashier then must log the name and address, the date and time
of the purchase, the type of product, the brand and even the net weight.

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law
following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago
women, badly scarring them.

“So that’s who I have to call,” Schroeder said.

He said that when he called his local legislator, the legislator claimed
not to know about the new law. Neither, he said, did other retailers in
the area. He said he and other store personnel had to call to a number
of stores before they could get details.

Non-compliance results in fines: $150 for the first offense, $500 for
the second and up to $1,500 for the third and subsequent violations.

Schroeder estimated that there are “easily” 30 or more products in the
store that must be reported when sold.

Jewel-Osco has removed the few items it carried from its shelves, but
Schroeder said he does not have that option as a hardware store. He said
he does not believe that the precautions written into the bill will
prevent such crimes from occurring.

“How are they going to find out, by asking every customer, what kid
might have done that? It’s not going to solve any problems,” Schroeder
said. “It’s not going to cure anything.”

Link to story:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...drain-cleaner/

OK, the news media makes their living selling commercial time, to sell
that they have to have viewers, crying mothers are good for grabbing
viewers so that is what they do at least per newscast..., then the
public demands something ought to be done about what caused the mom to
bawl her eyes out on the 6PM news,... and soon there is another new law.
With this latest Shotgun Sarah news don't be surprised if can
get a law requiring single mom's to have a double barrel 12 gauge in
their trailer home.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/04...cher-on-phone/