The Heat-surge ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Surge-Fir...owViewpoints=1

Apparently Amish craftsmen are skilled with stapleguns.

The Edenpure ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/EdenPURE-1000-...owViewpoints=1
Cured copper, eh??

Many of the 1-star reviews say it quite well, esp. one long one on the
edenpure.
The 4,5 star reviews just prove that many Merkins can have a treebranch
shoved up their asses, and delusionally think they're in a doctor's office,
getting a colonoscopy.
No, it is in fact a treebranch.....

These things are flying off the shelves at Costco et al. What a shame. An
amazing shame, but still a shame.

Another example of Innovative Marketing, where the SOS is now priced 10 to
100x the price of the original product, be it vitamins, appliances, or
hardware.

HD has heaters for 19.95, as does Target et al. Dish heaters, about $50,
that have a low wattage setting, can be esp. efficient, by localizing heat.

Social Darwinism?
Yeah, mebbe, but it can still affect the well-being of the non-darwinized,
when NOTHING remains reasonably priced, precisely because of the success of
Innovative Marketing amongst the darwinzed.

Proly the best bang for the buck are high-SEER mini-splits, with the heat
pump. I have two fujitsu's that pump out unbelievable amounts of heat,
depending on outside temps, of course. Mine are good sposedly down to 20 F,
or lower, but I try not to use them below 32 F. The SEER of my units are
supposedly 23.

But the cost is substantial, about $2500 per room, but for which you get
really seamless, super-quiet unintrusive A/C, heat, dehumidification.

But it's hard to go wrong with $19.95 heaters, which are inherently
"disposable".
--
EA

On Jan 5, 2:00*am, "Existential Angst" wrote:
The Heat-surge ripoff:http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Surge-Fir.../product-revie...

Apparently Amish craftsmen are skilled with stapleguns.

The Edenpure ripoff:http://www.amazon.com/EdenPURE-1000-...4/product-revi...
Cured copper, eh??

Many of the 1-star reviews say it quite well, esp. one long one on the
edenpure.
The 4,5 star reviews just prove that many Merkins can have a treebranch
shoved up their asses, and delusionally think they're in a doctor's office,
getting a colonoscopy.
No, it is in fact a treebranch.....

These things are flying off the shelves at Costco et al. *What a shame. *An
amazing shame, but still a shame.

Another example of Innovative Marketing, where the SOS is now priced 10 to
100x the price of the original product, be it vitamins, appliances, or
hardware.

HD has heaters for 19.95, as does Target et al. *Dish heaters, about $50,
that have a low wattage setting, can be esp. efficient, by localizing heat.

On Jan 5, 5:00*am, "Existential Angst" wrote:
The Heat-surge ripoff:http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Surge-Fir.../product-revie...

Apparently Amish craftsmen are skilled with stapleguns.

Apparently the vast majority of the general population are idiots, and
enjoy getting scammed.

I blame it on the government. If not for all these safety laws that
make smart people liable when an idiot does something stupid, the
idiots would be keeping their population levels in check. Now they've
bred out of control.

My problem is smarter people keep beating me to the good scams. I
could be filthy rich living on my own island in the Caribbean, paying
idiots to fight each other to the death while I watch.

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
The Heat-surge ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Surge-Fir...owViewpoints=1

Apparently Amish craftsmen are skilled with stapleguns.

The Edenpure ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/EdenPURE-1000-...owViewpoints=1
Cured copper, eh??

Many of the 1-star reviews say it quite well, esp. one long one on the
edenpure.
The 4,5 star reviews just prove that many Merkins can have a treebranch
shoved up their asses, and delusionally think they're in a doctor's
office, getting a colonoscopy.
No, it is in fact a treebranch.....

These things are flying off the shelves at Costco et al. What a shame.
An amazing shame, but still a shame.

Another example of Innovative Marketing, where the SOS is now priced 10 to
100x the price of the original product, be it vitamins, appliances, or
hardware.

HD has heaters for 19.95, as does Target et al. Dish heaters, about $50,
that have a low wattage setting, can be esp. efficient, by localizing
heat.

Social Darwinism?
Yeah, mebbe, but it can still affect the well-being of the non-darwinized,
when NOTHING remains reasonably priced, precisely because of the success
of Innovative Marketing amongst the darwinzed.

Proly the best bang for the buck are high-SEER mini-splits, with the heat
pump. I have two fujitsu's that pump out unbelievable amounts of heat,
depending on outside temps, of course. Mine are good sposedly down to 20
F, or lower, but I try not to use them below 32 F. The SEER of my units
are supposedly 23.

But the cost is substantial, about $2500 per room, but for which you get
really seamless, super-quiet unintrusive A/C, heat, dehumidification.

But it's hard to go wrong with $19.95 heaters, which are inherently
"disposable".

Here's one of the longer more detailed critiques, proly not news to many
here, but some might find it pretty informative.
If nothing else, it drives home the point of the EXTENT of the fraud. ERGO,
it's pretty long.... LOL

I think what he is doing is quoting THEIR FAQ section, and pointing out the
bull****... Bravo.

From the Amazon link above, one of the first reviews by Trapeze.
Mercifully, 371 out of 420 found it useful, and hopefully a lot more than
that. Overall an escellent job.

None of this is likely news to the rcm peeple, but I posted there, so's they
can help spread the werd.

The first coiuple paragraphs ref the apparent multi-level marketing
structure of this ripoff, the meat begins at the first Q&A. I like the
"translation".


================================
================================


Paul Harvey was a great man. He was a pioneer in radio broadcasting
especially in regard to the talk radio genre. He was a decent person. One of
the "good guys." In 2005, President George W. Bush awarded Mr. Harvey the
Presidential Medal of Freedom. And recently he passed away.

But even great men have flaws. Paul Harvey had been quoted as saying, "I am
fiercely loyal to those willing to put their money where my mouth is." And
therein, lies a conflict of interest.

Now, I have no way of knowing whether or not Mr. Harvey knowingly endorsed
fraudulent products but it is utterly indisputable that he did endorse the
main product of Suarez Corporation Industries.

You undoubtedly have never heard of SCI but if you were a regular or even
semi-regular listener of Paul Harvey you would have heard him endorse the
miraculous EdenPURE heater with its revolutionary "cured copper" heat
exchanger.

SCI is a prime supplier to the multi-level marketing community. Some of the
companies that make up SCI a

- Biotech Research
- International Home Shopping
- Lindenwold Fine Jewelers
- U.S. Commemorative Gallery
- Biotech Medical, LLC
- Resource Partners

This list is a smorgasbord of overpriced, yet intensely crappy products. (Oh
sure, they sell the Tempur-Pedic line of closed cell foam mattresses which
are merely overpriced...you can pick up the exact same thing at Walmart for
a fraction of their cost.) This company is a virtual feeding frenzy for
multi-level marketing scammers.

But I am only going to focus on their most prominent scam product: The
EdenPURE heater.

The EdenPURE heater is the most expensive 115-volt electric space heater
money can buy, bar none, and it is marketed with, at best, half-truths and,
at worst, blatant lies.

Compounding the problem is literally hundreds (if not thousands) of
independent distributors, many of them not authorized resellers.

So lets get into the meat of the issue. Just what does SCI, through its
Biotech Research subsidiary, claim that the EdenPURE can do? Here are some
select pickings from their FAQ page:


Q. What is the EdenPURE Heater Quartz Infrared Heating System?
A. Our Heating System is a revolutionary zone furnace that safely and
efficiently heats entire areas that need additional heat.

Translation: It's a portable electric space heater.

Q. How do the EdenPURE Quartz Infrared Portable Heaters Work?
A. With the advent of micro-electronic technology and the latest in infrared
commercial quartz tubes, three solar copper furnaces inside the unit absorb
the heat from these tubes much like a sponge absorbs water. The patent
pending process of cured natural copper creates an innovative heat exchanger
capable of absorbing heat like a solar sponge. It then safely exhales what
is coined as "soft" environmentally friendly heat that is able to travel
rapidly in relative humidity. The EdenPURE SOFT heat does not burn up the
humidity; moreover, it employs the humidity as a vehicle to warm up large
spaces quickly and efficiently.

EdenPURE heater has perfectly regulated heat that will not destroy
life/energy that other dangerous portable heating devices destroy, but helps
to maintain healthy humidity levels indoors.

Other heaters cause occupants to lose energy and force them to breathe dry
uncomfortable air. The EdenPURE heater replicates the earth's sun process by
electronically exhaling comfortable cost cutting heat without burning up
your family's life sustaining oxygen in your indoor living space. The
benefits of this natural solar process are revolutionizing the way we will
heat our homes and help save large amounts of costly energy.

Translation: Let the BS begin. Taking it item-by-item:

- Micro-electronic technology. Translation: It has a digital thermostat.
- The latest in infrared commercial quartz tubes. Translation: Three
500-watt halogen light bulbs. Big woop.
- Three solar copper furnaces. Translation: Copper pipe cut to length that
surround the light bulbs.
- Cured natural copper. Translation: Fairy dust & unicorn farts. There is no
such thing as "cured" copper.
- It then safely exhales. Translation: It has a blower.
-"Soft" environmentally friendly heat. Translation: More fairy dust.
-Does not burn up humidity. Translation: Utter nonsense, heaters don't
dehumidify.
-Will not destroy life/energy. Translation: Utter nonsense for the mentally
challenged.
-Helps to maintain healthy humidity levels. Translation: Utter nonsense,
totally impossible.
-Other heaters cause occupants to lose energy. Translation: We think you are
stupid.
-Replicates the earth's sun process. Translation: We think you are really,
really stupid.
-Electronically exhales. Translation: We are doubling down on the stupid
thing.
-Without burning...oxygen. Translation: Just in case you are an absolute
idiot we are tossing this one in out of sheer spite.
-Helps save large amounts of costly energy: Translation: Compared to what?
Plutonium?

Now back to the FAQ's...

Q. What makes the EdenPURE Heater "Healthier" than other heaters?
A. For one... the EdenPURE heater does not produce positive ions like other
blower (dryer) type heaters.

EdenPURE heater has perfectly regulated heat that will not destroy
life/energy that other dangerous portable heating devices destroy, but helps
to maintain healthy humidity levels indoors.

Since the early 1950s scientists have suspected that ions play an important
role in how the body functions and, consequently, in how we feel. Research
has shown that an abundance of negative ions in the air we breathe is highly
beneficial.

Conversely, scientists have found that if the air is charged with too few
negative ions and too many positives, we become anxious, fatigued and tense.
Positive ion poisoning has, in fact, been linked to heart attacks,
aggravated asthma, migraine headaches, insomnia, rheumatism, arthritis, hay
fever, and most allergies.

Translation: Wow. This is industrial strength BS at its finest. To me, this
is holistic, pseudo-science mumbo jumbo that is ridiculous and claiming that
other heaters produce positive ions is utter rubbish thrown out there for
the slow-witted.

Q. How does the comfort of the EdenPURE Heater System compare to other
systems?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System is a state of the art system that provides the
most comfortable form of heat. Unlike traditional systems, which may leave a
differential of up to 18 degrees from floor to ceiling, the EdenPURE Heater
System heated air, using infrared absorption, does not concentrate near the
ceiling. Heat stays down and evenly dispersed in the area where you and your
family live.

Temperature difference from floor to ceiling is minimal. In addition, the
EdenPURE Heater System does not remove humidity from the air. It actually
helps maintain humidity levels. The even heating and higher humidity permit
lower heat settings with more comfort, less condensation on windows and less
static electricity. Furthermore, the EdenPURE Heater System does not use
flame, fuel or any form of combustion. Therefore, the heat from the EdenPURE
Heater is safe and clean - free of any other type of pollution and does not
use up the oxygen in the air.

Translation: Okay, well this is more crap served up with a very large
spoon...maybe even with a funnel and a hose.

The EdenPURE is, despite claims to the contrary, a forced air electric space
heater. There is nothing magical about what it does. Room temperature air
comes in one end and higher temperature air comes out the other end. That's
it.

Warm air rises due to a property in air called "convection." To minimize the
natural process of convection the air in a room may be circulated. Ceiling
fans do this quite nicely.

There is no heater made that removes humidity from air. It is a physical
impossibility. Period. To remove humidity from air one must lower the air
temperature below its dew point. This is called condensation. Think of the
"sweat" that occurs on a glass of ice water. If water condenses on the
inside of your windows it is because there is a source of excess humidity in
the house...someone left the shower running...and the glass is below the dew
point. The EdenPURE heater is totally incapable of maintaining ANY level of
humidity. Winter air is dry. Go to NOAA and look it up.

Any properly installed heating system will not use up the oxygen of the
occupied space. Again, nothing magical here.

Q. Economically, how does the EdenPURE Heater System compare to other
systems?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System is the most economical way to heat. In
Midwestern Utility field tests for heating seasons, the EdenPURE Heater used
an average of 35% less energy than conventional electric furnace/baseboard
systems. Comparable results were found during comparisons with fuel based
heating systems. Individual results, of course, depend on insulation values,
local climate, and other conditions.

Translation: This is a pure lie. The most economical way to heat using
electricity is with a heat pump. So, yeah, individual results depend on
"other conditions." These (along with that old favorite, "individual results
may vary") are what are called "weasel words."

Q. How much area does a EdenPURE Heater System Heat?
A. The EdenPURE GEN3 Model 1000 Heater is a 1483 watt Heating System, is an
excellent source of primary heat for up to 400 square feet and a superb
source of secondary heat for up to 1000 square feet of well insulated space.
The EdenPURE GEN3 Model 500 Heater 900 watt Heating System, is an excellent
source of primary heat for up to 200 square feet and a superb source of
secondary heat for up to 300 square feet of well insulated space.

Translation: More nonsense. Heat loss for any given room in a house depends
on a host of variables: Outside wall area, floor area, ceiling area, window
area, door area and local climate conditions to name but a few. Matching a
heating appliance without taking heat loss into account is incompetent.


Q. Why does the EdenPURE Heater System cost more than a space heater?
It is a furnace in every respect. A space heater only has the capacity to
heat a small space (i.e. under a desk). The EdenPURE Heater System, like a
central heating system, will heat an entire area evenly and efficiently.
This allows the unit to be a supplemental source of heat. Furthermore, the
EdenPURE Heater System is safe. It will not start a fire or burn if you
touch it. Because of the reduced energy consumption, and the unit's high
level of safety and comfort, EdenPURE Heater System users agree that it is
the best value available.

Translation: The EdenPURE is a space heater in every respect. It isn't a
furnace. A furnace is designed to heat an entire home. The EdenPURE is not.
Properly installed and maintained furnaces are safe, too. Duh. Too many
EdenPURE owners are way too embarrassed by what they paid for it to say
anything other than what a great value it is.

Q. Why is the EdenPURE Heater System safe?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System has no flame or fumes. Its safe, clean
infrared heating elements provide the energy. Extensive testing at CUL
(Canada) and UL (United States) has verified the safety of the EdenPURE
Heater System. Due to its safe operating temperature, the EdenPURE Heater
may be placed next to flammable materials with minimal safety clearance
needed.

Translation: All appliances sold in the USA, including space heaters and
furnaces, are listed with Underwriters Laboratories. Big Deal.

Q. What kind of Satisfaction Guarantee does it have?
A. We have a 60 day Satisfaction Guarantee. Our Return Policy: You can
return or exchange any purchase within 60 days for any reason. NOTE: Items
must be returned in the same box & packaging received by you with everything
that was included in the original shipment.

Translation: Wow. Sixty days. So, when you discover that it doesn't save you
a dime you are totally screwed. Nice policy.

The hundreds of other scam artists that peddle this device go even further
with the "cured copper" BS by creating their own little urban legend about
its "discovery." Here is the story that they peddle:

"'This advanced heating element was discovered accidentally by a man named
John Jones. He had a large old farmhouse that was impossible to heat. Jones
had a coal furnace in his basement. Jones placed a sheet of cured copper
near the furnace to store it. Cured copper is a type of copper that goes
through an extensive heating process to give it special properties. ''After
the fire went out in the coal furnace, Jones noticed that the sheet of
copper was heating his entire basement evenly, even though the furnace was
no longer putting out heat. He also was amazed as to how long the heat
stayed in the copper and continued to warm the room. ''Jones was so taken
back by this that he started to experiment. He formed a company to develop a
heating source out of this cured copper. But Jones had a number of children
and he did not want a heating source that would cause a fire or create other
hazardous situations like creating carbon monoxide or radiation. He also did
not want his children to get burned. To make a long story short, through a
great deal of research and development, Jones developed a heating source
that utilized commercial infrared quartz tubes. John Jones designed his
heating source around the three most important consumer benefits: economy,
comfort, and safety. The final development of this infrared quartz heat
source cannot be matched by any other heating system in the world."

Translation: Pure and utter BS from start to finish. There is no such thing
as "cured copper." It has no "special properties" other than to separate you
from several hundred bucks. Take a little stroll over to copper.o r g and
try your hardest to find a reference to it. It does not exist except in the
minds of simpletons.

The final nail in this smelly little coffin comes from Consumer Reports:

"The unit was the second-lowest-scoring space heater we tested, earning only
a 24 on our 100-point scale. According to the folks in our Tech department
who tested space heaters, the EdenPure provided lackluster temperature
control and was not particularly easy to use, What's more, it was pricey and
lacked an overheat-protection feature (key for safety). The GEN3 models do
have this important safety feature, according to BioTech Research."

Bottom Line:

If you insist on spending up to $400 for an electric space heater that's
your business. But you can get the exact same result for around $30 at your
local hardware store. 1500 watts of heat is 1500 watts of heat regardless of
how it's packaged and how much it costs.

And don't ever buy anything that multi-level (or network) marketers are
selling, especially their "system."

=================================================

Amen to the whole rant, esp. the last line.

Oh, and I love the Consumer Reports ratings. Unfort'ly, not a lot of people
pay attention to CR, another shame.
--
EA
































--
EA

On 2012-01-05, wrote:

Apparently the vast majority of the general population are idiots, and
enjoy getting scammed.

Replace "Apparently" with "Sadly", as there is NO doubt.

Scamming the rubes has always been and will always be one of the great
American pastimes. The fact that no AC heater you can plug into a
standard wall socket will ever deliver more that 1500W of energy, be
it radiant, convected, quartz, or magic Amish whatchamacallits, is
beyond the grasp of almost all Americans. Much like fruit juicers and
magnetic and/or copper bracelets, the rubes WANT to believe. Let 'em.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

Oh yeah, the review was for one of the EdenPure's.
Same **** applies to HeatSurge, less the "cured copper"... cured copper is
hilarious....

--
EA

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
The Heat-surge ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Surge-Fir...owViewpoints=1

Apparently Amish craftsmen are skilled with stapleguns.

The Edenpure ripoff:
http://www.amazon.com/EdenPURE-1000-...owViewpoints=1
Cured copper, eh??

Many of the 1-star reviews say it quite well, esp. one long one on the
edenpure.
The 4,5 star reviews just prove that many Merkins can have a treebranch
shoved up their asses, and delusionally think they're in a doctor's
office, getting a colonoscopy.
No, it is in fact a treebranch.....

These things are flying off the shelves at Costco et al. What a shame.
An amazing shame, but still a shame.

Another example of Innovative Marketing, where the SOS is now priced 10
to 100x the price of the original product, be it vitamins, appliances, or
hardware.

HD has heaters for 19.95, as does Target et al. Dish heaters, about $50,
that have a low wattage setting, can be esp. efficient, by localizing
heat.

Social Darwinism?
Yeah, mebbe, but it can still affect the well-being of the
non-darwinized, when NOTHING remains reasonably priced, precisely because
of the success of Innovative Marketing amongst the darwinzed.

Proly the best bang for the buck are high-SEER mini-splits, with the heat
pump. I have two fujitsu's that pump out unbelievable amounts of heat,
depending on outside temps, of course. Mine are good sposedly down to 20
F, or lower, but I try not to use them below 32 F. The SEER of my units
are supposedly 23.

But the cost is substantial, about $2500 per room, but for which you get
really seamless, super-quiet unintrusive A/C, heat, dehumidification.

But it's hard to go wrong with $19.95 heaters, which are inherently
"disposable".

Here's one of the longer more detailed critiques, proly not news to many
here, but some might find it pretty informative.
If nothing else, it drives home the point of the EXTENT of the fraud.
ERGO, it's pretty long.... LOL

I think what he is doing is quoting THEIR FAQ section, and pointing out
the bull****... Bravo.

From the Amazon link above, one of the first reviews by Trapeze.
Mercifully, 371 out of 420 found it useful, and hopefully a lot more than
that. Overall an escellent job.

None of this is likely news to the rcm peeple, but I posted there, so's
they can help spread the werd.

The first coiuple paragraphs ref the apparent multi-level marketing
structure of this ripoff, the meat begins at the first Q&A. I like the
"translation".


================================
================================


Paul Harvey was a great man. He was a pioneer in radio broadcasting
especially in regard to the talk radio genre. He was a decent person. One
of the "good guys." In 2005, President George W. Bush awarded Mr. Harvey
the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And recently he passed away.

But even great men have flaws. Paul Harvey had been quoted as saying, "I
am fiercely loyal to those willing to put their money where my mouth is."
And therein, lies a conflict of interest.

Now, I have no way of knowing whether or not Mr. Harvey knowingly endorsed
fraudulent products but it is utterly indisputable that he did endorse the
main product of Suarez Corporation Industries.

You undoubtedly have never heard of SCI but if you were a regular or even
semi-regular listener of Paul Harvey you would have heard him endorse the
miraculous EdenPURE heater with its revolutionary "cured copper" heat
exchanger.

SCI is a prime supplier to the multi-level marketing community. Some of
the companies that make up SCI a

- Biotech Research
- International Home Shopping
- Lindenwold Fine Jewelers
- U.S. Commemorative Gallery
- Biotech Medical, LLC
- Resource Partners

This list is a smorgasbord of overpriced, yet intensely crappy products.
(Oh sure, they sell the Tempur-Pedic line of closed cell foam mattresses
which are merely overpriced...you can pick up the exact same thing at
Walmart for a fraction of their cost.) This company is a virtual feeding
frenzy for multi-level marketing scammers.

But I am only going to focus on their most prominent scam product: The
EdenPURE heater.

The EdenPURE heater is the most expensive 115-volt electric space heater
money can buy, bar none, and it is marketed with, at best, half-truths
and, at worst, blatant lies.

Compounding the problem is literally hundreds (if not thousands) of
independent distributors, many of them not authorized resellers.

So lets get into the meat of the issue. Just what does SCI, through its
Biotech Research subsidiary, claim that the EdenPURE can do? Here are some
select pickings from their FAQ page:


Q. What is the EdenPURE Heater Quartz Infrared Heating System?
A. Our Heating System is a revolutionary zone furnace that safely and
efficiently heats entire areas that need additional heat.

Translation: It's a portable electric space heater.

Q. How do the EdenPURE Quartz Infrared Portable Heaters Work?
A. With the advent of micro-electronic technology and the latest in
infrared commercial quartz tubes, three solar copper furnaces inside the
unit absorb the heat from these tubes much like a sponge absorbs water.
The patent pending process of cured natural copper creates an innovative
heat exchanger capable of absorbing heat like a solar sponge. It then
safely exhales what is coined as "soft" environmentally friendly heat that
is able to travel rapidly in relative humidity. The EdenPURE SOFT heat
does not burn up the humidity; moreover, it employs the humidity as a
vehicle to warm up large spaces quickly and efficiently.

EdenPURE heater has perfectly regulated heat that will not destroy
life/energy that other dangerous portable heating devices destroy, but
helps to maintain healthy humidity levels indoors.

Other heaters cause occupants to lose energy and force them to breathe dry
uncomfortable air. The EdenPURE heater replicates the earth's sun process
by electronically exhaling comfortable cost cutting heat without burning
up your family's life sustaining oxygen in your indoor living space. The
benefits of this natural solar process are revolutionizing the way we will
heat our homes and help save large amounts of costly energy.

Translation: Let the BS begin. Taking it item-by-item:

- Micro-electronic technology. Translation: It has a digital thermostat.
- The latest in infrared commercial quartz tubes. Translation: Three
500-watt halogen light bulbs. Big woop.
- Three solar copper furnaces. Translation: Copper pipe cut to length that
surround the light bulbs.
- Cured natural copper. Translation: Fairy dust & unicorn farts. There is
no such thing as "cured" copper.
- It then safely exhales. Translation: It has a blower.
-"Soft" environmentally friendly heat. Translation: More fairy dust.
-Does not burn up humidity. Translation: Utter nonsense, heaters don't
dehumidify.
-Will not destroy life/energy. Translation: Utter nonsense for the
mentally challenged.
-Helps to maintain healthy humidity levels. Translation: Utter nonsense,
totally impossible.
-Other heaters cause occupants to lose energy. Translation: We think you
are stupid.
-Replicates the earth's sun process. Translation: We think you are really,
really stupid.
-Electronically exhales. Translation: We are doubling down on the stupid
thing.
-Without burning...oxygen. Translation: Just in case you are an absolute
idiot we are tossing this one in out of sheer spite.
-Helps save large amounts of costly energy: Translation: Compared to what?
Plutonium?

Now back to the FAQ's...

Q. What makes the EdenPURE Heater "Healthier" than other heaters?
A. For one... the EdenPURE heater does not produce positive ions like
other blower (dryer) type heaters.

EdenPURE heater has perfectly regulated heat that will not destroy
life/energy that other dangerous portable heating devices destroy, but
helps to maintain healthy humidity levels indoors.

Since the early 1950s scientists have suspected that ions play an
important role in how the body functions and, consequently, in how we
feel. Research has shown that an abundance of negative ions in the air we
breathe is highly beneficial.

Conversely, scientists have found that if the air is charged with too few
negative ions and too many positives, we become anxious, fatigued and
tense. Positive ion poisoning has, in fact, been linked to heart attacks,
aggravated asthma, migraine headaches, insomnia, rheumatism, arthritis,
hay fever, and most allergies.

Translation: Wow. This is industrial strength BS at its finest. To me,
this is holistic, pseudo-science mumbo jumbo that is ridiculous and
claiming that other heaters produce positive ions is utter rubbish thrown
out there for the slow-witted.

Q. How does the comfort of the EdenPURE Heater System compare to other
systems?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System is a state of the art system that provides
the most comfortable form of heat. Unlike traditional systems, which may
leave a differential of up to 18 degrees from floor to ceiling, the
EdenPURE Heater System heated air, using infrared absorption, does not
concentrate near the ceiling. Heat stays down and evenly dispersed in the
area where you and your family live.

Temperature difference from floor to ceiling is minimal. In addition, the
EdenPURE Heater System does not remove humidity from the air. It actually
helps maintain humidity levels. The even heating and higher humidity
permit lower heat settings with more comfort, less condensation on windows
and less static electricity. Furthermore, the EdenPURE Heater System does
not use flame, fuel or any form of combustion. Therefore, the heat from
the EdenPURE Heater is safe and clean - free of any other type of
pollution and does not use up the oxygen in the air.

Translation: Okay, well this is more crap served up with a very large
spoon...maybe even with a funnel and a hose.

The EdenPURE is, despite claims to the contrary, a forced air electric
space heater. There is nothing magical about what it does. Room
temperature air comes in one end and higher temperature air comes out the
other end. That's it.

Warm air rises due to a property in air called "convection." To minimize
the natural process of convection the air in a room may be circulated.
Ceiling fans do this quite nicely.

There is no heater made that removes humidity from air. It is a physical
impossibility. Period. To remove humidity from air one must lower the air
temperature below its dew point. This is called condensation. Think of the
"sweat" that occurs on a glass of ice water. If water condenses on the
inside of your windows it is because there is a source of excess humidity
in the house...someone left the shower running...and the glass is below
the dew point. The EdenPURE heater is totally incapable of maintaining ANY
level of humidity. Winter air is dry. Go to NOAA and look it up.

Any properly installed heating system will not use up the oxygen of the
occupied space. Again, nothing magical here.

Q. Economically, how does the EdenPURE Heater System compare to other
systems?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System is the most economical way to heat. In
Midwestern Utility field tests for heating seasons, the EdenPURE Heater
used an average of 35% less energy than conventional electric
furnace/baseboard systems. Comparable results were found during
comparisons with fuel based heating systems. Individual results, of
course, depend on insulation values, local climate, and other conditions.

Translation: This is a pure lie. The most economical way to heat using
electricity is with a heat pump. So, yeah, individual results depend on
"other conditions." These (along with that old favorite, "individual
results may vary") are what are called "weasel words."

Q. How much area does a EdenPURE Heater System Heat?
A. The EdenPURE GEN3 Model 1000 Heater is a 1483 watt Heating System, is
an excellent source of primary heat for up to 400 square feet and a superb
source of secondary heat for up to 1000 square feet of well insulated
space. The EdenPURE GEN3 Model 500 Heater 900 watt Heating System, is an
excellent source of primary heat for up to 200 square feet and a superb
source of secondary heat for up to 300 square feet of well insulated
space.

Translation: More nonsense. Heat loss for any given room in a house
depends on a host of variables: Outside wall area, floor area, ceiling
area, window area, door area and local climate conditions to name but a
few. Matching a heating appliance without taking heat loss into account is
incompetent.


Q. Why does the EdenPURE Heater System cost more than a space heater?
It is a furnace in every respect. A space heater only has the capacity to
heat a small space (i.e. under a desk). The EdenPURE Heater System, like a
central heating system, will heat an entire area evenly and efficiently.
This allows the unit to be a supplemental source of heat. Furthermore, the
EdenPURE Heater System is safe. It will not start a fire or burn if you
touch it. Because of the reduced energy consumption, and the unit's high
level of safety and comfort, EdenPURE Heater System users agree that it is
the best value available.

Translation: The EdenPURE is a space heater in every respect. It isn't a
furnace. A furnace is designed to heat an entire home. The EdenPURE is
not. Properly installed and maintained furnaces are safe, too. Duh. Too
many EdenPURE owners are way too embarrassed by what they paid for it to
say anything other than what a great value it is.

Q. Why is the EdenPURE Heater System safe?
A. The EdenPURE Heater System has no flame or fumes. Its safe, clean
infrared heating elements provide the energy. Extensive testing at CUL
(Canada) and UL (United States) has verified the safety of the EdenPURE
Heater System. Due to its safe operating temperature, the EdenPURE Heater
may be placed next to flammable materials with minimal safety clearance
needed.

Translation: All appliances sold in the USA, including space heaters and
furnaces, are listed with Underwriters Laboratories. Big Deal.

Q. What kind of Satisfaction Guarantee does it have?
A. We have a 60 day Satisfaction Guarantee. Our Return Policy: You can
return or exchange any purchase within 60 days for any reason. NOTE: Items
must be returned in the same box & packaging received by you with
everything that was included in the original shipment.

Translation: Wow. Sixty days. So, when you discover that it doesn't save
you a dime you are totally screwed. Nice policy.

The hundreds of other scam artists that peddle this device go even further
with the "cured copper" BS by creating their own little urban legend about
its "discovery." Here is the story that they peddle:

"'This advanced heating element was discovered accidentally by a man named
John Jones. He had a large old farmhouse that was impossible to heat.
Jones had a coal furnace in his basement. Jones placed a sheet of cured
copper near the furnace to store it. Cured copper is a type of copper that
goes through an extensive heating process to give it special properties.
''After the fire went out in the coal furnace, Jones noticed that the
sheet of copper was heating his entire basement evenly, even though the
furnace was no longer putting out heat. He also was amazed as to how long
the heat stayed in the copper and continued to warm the room. ''Jones was
so taken back by this that he started to experiment. He formed a company
to develop a heating source out of this cured copper. But Jones had a
number of children and he did not want a heating source that would cause a
fire or create other hazardous situations like creating carbon monoxide or
radiation. He also did not want his children to get burned. To make a long
story short, through a great deal of research and development, Jones
developed a heating source that utilized commercial infrared quartz tubes.
John Jones designed his heating source around the three most important
consumer benefits: economy, comfort, and safety. The final development of
this infrared quartz heat source cannot be matched by any other heating
system in the world."

Translation: Pure and utter BS from start to finish. There is no such
thing as "cured copper." It has no "special properties" other than to
separate you from several hundred bucks. Take a little stroll over to
copper.o r g and try your hardest to find a reference to it. It does not
exist except in the minds of simpletons.

The final nail in this smelly little coffin comes from Consumer Reports:

"The unit was the second-lowest-scoring space heater we tested, earning
only a 24 on our 100-point scale. According to the folks in our Tech
department who tested space heaters, the EdenPure provided lackluster
temperature control and was not particularly easy to use, What's more, it
was pricey and lacked an overheat-protection feature (key for safety). The
GEN3 models do have this important safety feature, according to BioTech
Research."

Bottom Line:

If you insist on spending up to $400 for an electric space heater that's
your business. But you can get the exact same result for around $30 at
your local hardware store. 1500 watts of heat is 1500 watts of heat
regardless of how it's packaged and how much it costs.

And don't ever buy anything that multi-level (or network) marketers are
selling, especially their "system."

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Amen to the whole rant, esp. the last line.

Oh, and I love the Consumer Reports ratings. Unfort'ly, not a lot of
people pay attention to CR, another shame.
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EA
































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EA

"notbob" wrote in message
...
On 2012-01-05,
wrote:

Apparently the vast majority of the general population
are idiots, and
enjoy getting scammed.

Replace "Apparently" with "Sadly", as there is NO doubt.

Scamming the rubes has always been and will always be one
of the great
American pastimes. The fact that no AC heater you can
plug into a
standard wall socket will ever deliver more that 1500W of
energy, be
it radiant, convected, quartz, or magic Amish
whatchamacallits, is
beyond the grasp of almost all Americans. Much like fruit
juicers and
magnetic and/or copper bracelets, the rubes WANT to
believe. Let 'em.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

Yep, as silly as the loonies that are hoarding incandescent
light bulbs.
Hehehehhehhehehheeeeeheheee!

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...


Any properly installed heating system will not use up the oxygen of the
occupied space. Again, nothing magical here.

That part is not completely accurate, as ventless propane/NG units are legal
in many states and do use room oxygen.