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On Oct 15, 5:22*pm, JimT wrote:
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Well, capitalism has failed.

On 10/15/2011 1:20 PM, harry wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, wrote:
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Well, capitalism has failed.

Your bud's, Harry?

http://tinyurl.com/63m4cau

On 10/15/2011 12:20 PM, harry wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, wrote:
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Well, capitalism has failed.

What do you suggest oh wise one?

On Oct 16, 4:55*am, JimT wrote:
On 10/15/2011 12:20 PM, harry wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, *wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260....
Well, capitalism has failed.

What do you suggest oh wise one?

Well communism failed too.
So you need a middle of the road system and keep the mad/greedy dogs
out of it. Preferrably in jail somewhere. Start by moving these
financiers/"bankers" to GITMO as the place is already up and running.
We need people who finance commerce and innovation, not casino types.
Oh, we have such a system in the UK.

Probably not possible in America because greed ansd aquisition has
been inculcated from an early age. USAians all think anything
different is "socialism" or "communism" when in fact with few
exceptions they have no clue as to what it's all about.
Might see a revival of this organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
They got more things right than GOP.

Occupation is spreading well I see. Nice little riot in Italy. We had
a minor one here, there is not the desperation here. Yet.

On Oct 16, 1:59*am, harry wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:55*am, JimT wrote:

On 10/15/2011 12:20 PM, harry wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, *wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260....
Well, capitalism has failed.

What do you suggest oh wise one?

Well communism failed too.
So you need a middle of the road system and keep the mad/greedy dogs
out of it. Preferrably in jail somewhere.

Typical non-answer. What exactly is that wonderful
middle of the road system? Is it socialism, ala Greece?
Last time I checked that's what's been a total failure
and the country is broke. Or France? Seems to be
plenty of discontent and riots there with similar demands
to the Wall Street protesters.

As for greed, it's part of free market economics and
there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Each
participant seeks to maximize their profits. The
competition in the marketplace is what limits those
profits. What price would you sell your house for
Harry? Being a good commie, would you just sell
it for what you paid for it? Or woud you calculate
some fair price based on the circumstances of
whatever buyer might show up? Or would you
do what the rest of us would do and sell it for as
much as possible?





*Start by moving these
financiers/"bankers" to GITMO as the place is already up and running.
We need people who finance commerce and innovation, not casino types.
Oh, we have such a system in the UK.

Probably not possible in America because greed ansd aquisition has
been inculcated from an early age. *USAians all think anything
different is "socialism" or "communism" when in fact with few
exceptions they have no clue as to what it's all about.
Might see a revival of this organisation.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
They got more things right than GOP.

Occupation is spreading well I see. Nice little riot in Italy. We had
a minor one here, there is not the desperation here. Yet.

On Oct 15, 1:20*pm, harry wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:22*pm, JimT wrote:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260...

Well, capitalism has failed.

Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.

Jimmie

On Oct 16, 2:10*pm, "
wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:59*am, harry wrote:

On Oct 16, 4:55*am, JimT wrote:

On 10/15/2011 12:20 PM, harry wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, *wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260...
Well, capitalism has failed.

What do you suggest oh wise one?

Well communism failed too.
So you need a middle of the road system and keep the mad/greedy dogs
out of it. Preferrably in jail somewhere.

Typical non-answer. *What exactly is that wonderful
middle of the road system? * Is it socialism, ala Greece?
Last time I checked that's what's been a total failure
and the country is broke. *Or France? *Seems to be
plenty of discontent and riots there with similar demands
to the Wall Street protesters.

As for greed, it's part of free market economics and
there is nothing inherently wrong with it. *Each
participant seeks to maximize their profits. *The
competition in the marketplace is what limits those
profits. What price would you sell your house for
Harry? *Being a good commie, would you just sell
it for what you paid for it? * Or woud you calculate
some fair price based on the circumstances of
whatever buyer might show up? * Or would you
do what the rest of us would do and sell it for as
much as possible?

Greed is one of the seven deadly sins. Now you can see why.

I sell my house when I need to move. I have done work on the house so
I always have made a profit.

These guys just buy and sell and do no useful work. They create no
wealth or anything else useful. They rumour monger and do insider
trading, none of which creates wealth. They are thieves,looting
theeconomy of the world.

I hear in America a lot have been charged with fraud and false
accounting etc. And a lot have got away with it due to employing
expensive lawyers
http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-qu...ll-all-lawyers
Sound advice.

Good account here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZ_JfROhOE

On Oct 16, 4:17*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:20*pm, harry wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22*pm, JimT wrote:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260....

Well, capitalism has failed.

Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system *in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.

Jimmie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

On 10/16/2011 10:52 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 16, 4:17 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:20 pm, wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260...
Well, capitalism has failed.
Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.

Jimmie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism


I think he's right in the fact we don't have a truly laissez faire
capitalistic monetary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian

We have more like what you already suggested, but since you're not
American, or have not spent any real time here, I understand your
confusion.

To you we are the Great Satan. An out of control capitalistic society
full of Homer Simpsons and Family Guys. I get it.

On Oct 16, 5:19*pm, JimT wrote:
On 10/16/2011 10:52 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 16, 4:17 pm, *wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:20 pm, *wrote:

On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, *wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260....
Well, capitalism has failed.
Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system *in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.

Jimmie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

I think he's right in the fact we don't have a truly laissez faire
capitalistic monetary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian

We have more like what you already suggested, but since you're not
American, or have not spent any real time here, I understand your
confusion.

To you we are the Great Satan. An out of control capitalistic society
full of Homer Simpsons and Family Guys. I get it.

Also ruled by a ruthless aristocracy that will stop at nothing to
increase their wealth.

On 10/17/2011 3:21 PM, harry wrote:
On Oct 16, 5:19 pm, wrote:
On 10/16/2011 10:52 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 16, 4:17 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:20 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260...
Well, capitalism has failed.
Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.
Jimmie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
I think he's right in the fact we don't have a truly laissez faire
capitalistic monetary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian

We have more like what you already suggested, but since you're not
American, or have not spent any real time here, I understand your
confusion.

To you we are the Great Satan. An out of control capitalistic society
full of Homer Simpsons and Family Guys. I get it.
Also ruled by a ruthless aristocracy that will stop at nothing to
increase their wealth.

I don't pretend to know the answer but, life here is actually pretty
good. I think it can be better but, I don't want to throw the baby out
with the bath water. If you think we're on the verge of collapse you
have an obscure view of life in America. 24 hour news can distort things
dramatically.

On Oct 17, 3:27*pm, JimT wrote:
[...]
I don't pretend to know the answer but, life here is actually
pretty good. I think it can be better but, I don't want to throw
the baby out with the bath water. If you think we're on the
verge of collapse you have an obscure view of life in America.
24 hour news can distort things dramatically.

Yeah, we're not on the verge of collapse, but just ask any right-wing
politician and they will tell you we are on the verge of collapse.

On Oct 17, 10:27*pm, JimT wrote:
On 10/17/2011 3:21 PM, harry wrote:





On Oct 16, 5:19 pm, *wrote:
On 10/16/2011 10:52 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 16, 4:17 pm, * *wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:20 pm, * *wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:22 pm, * *wrote:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01504160293260...
Well, capitalism has failed.
Where? There has never been a totally capitalistic economic system *in
recent history I know of..... USA certainly dosnt have one.
Jimmie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
I think he's right in the fact we don't have a truly laissez faire
capitalistic monetary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian

We have more like what you already suggested, but since you're not
American, or have not spent any real time here, I understand your
confusion.

To you we are the Great Satan. An out of control capitalistic society
full of Homer Simpsons and Family Guys. I get it.
Also ruled by a ruthless aristocracy that will stop at nothing to
increase their wealth.

I don't pretend to know the answer but, life here is actually pretty
good. I think it can be better but, I don't want to throw the baby out
with the bath water. If you think we're on the verge of collapse you
have an obscure view of life in America. 24 hour news can distort things
dramatically.-

The only reason you had the good life was that your aristocracy feared
workers revolution (supportedby the USSR) if things got too bad. Now
the USSR has disappeared they think they can do as they like.
(Think about it, the good times existed at the same time as
communism.)
But actually, it hasn't. They are just biding there time. The Russians
are well resourced. It will be interewting to see what happens when
Putin gets back in power. Many Russians want to go back to the "Good
old days"

However it was completely unsustainable. Things are going to have
to change radically.
It will be a painful process.
The high old lifestyle was underpinned by cheap fossil fuel.
Now that has gone, there will be savage readjustments.
There are some dopey buggers in this group can't get their brains
round this.

We have this vanishing resource and as it vanishes certain members of
society are ensuring that they can continue with their own lifestyle
at the expense of everyone else.

There are certain politicians out there bent on taking advantage of
the situation to further their own ends. None of them has a clue but
they mouth platitudes, ie they tell people what they want to hear, ie
that things can go on as before
(There is a class of low intelligence that takes comfort from this.)

Well they can't, and capitalist/market driven economies have failed to
prepare for the event due to failing to take the long view. So there
is goiing to be a period of chaos and hardship until matters are
resolved.
I believe in some 3rd world overpopulated countries, excess population
(sustained by cheap fossil fuel) will now starve to death.

You need to watch a variety of news sources. American news is by far
the worst. Try Al Jazeera, BBC, RTTV and France 24, they are all on
the internet, satellite and youtube. But you have to keep in mind
where they are coming from.

On 10/18/2011 12:53 AM, harry wrote:
You need to watch a variety of news sources. American news is by far
the worst. Try Al Jazeera, BBC, RTTV and France 24, they are all on
the internet, satellite and youtube. But you have to keep in mind
where they are coming from.

LOL. That explains a lot harry.

Time will tell.

Best wishes from America.

Jim

On Oct 17, 10:26*pm, Davej wrote:
On Oct 17, 3:27*pm, JimT wrote:

[...]
I don't pretend to know the answer but, life here is actually
pretty good. I think it can be better but, I don't want to throw
the baby out with the bath water. If you think we're on the
verge of collapse you have an obscure view of life in America.
24 hour news can distort things dramatically.

Yeah, we're not on the verge of collapse, but just ask any right-wing
politician and they will tell you we are on the verge of collapse.

I don't see many right-wing politicians saying we are on
the verge of collapse. I do see most of them saying that
if we continue the current excessive govt. spending, it won't be too
much longer before we are in serious trouble. Do
you disagree with that? The federal budget has increased
40% from 2007 to 2011. Has your family budget gone
up like that?

On the other hand, I don't see the libs concerned at all
about reckless spending. They just want MORE of it,
without regard to the consequences. Obama's latest $500bil stimulus
being the most recent example. First one that
was $830bil didn't work, so instead of trying other
solutions, their only idea is to now try one half that size.

On Oct 18, 12:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:26*pm, Davej wrote:

On Oct 17, 3:27*pm, JimT wrote:

[...]
I don't pretend to know the answer but, life here is actually
pretty good. I think it can be better but, I don't want to throw
the baby out with the bath water. If you think we're on the
verge of collapse you have an obscure view of life in America.
24 hour news can distort things dramatically.

Yeah, we're not on the verge of collapse, but just ask any right-wing
politician and they will tell you we are on the verge of collapse.

I don't see many right-wing politicians saying we are on
the verge of collapse. *I do see most of them saying that
if we continue the current excessive govt. spending, it won't be too
much longer before we are in serious trouble. *Do
you disagree with that? *The federal budget has increased
40% from 2007 to 2011. *Has your family budget gone
up like that?

On the other hand, I don't see the libs concerned at all
about reckless spending. * They just want MORE of it,
without regard to the consequences. *Obama's latest $500bil stimulus
being the most recent example. *First one that
was $830bil didn't work, so instead of trying other
solutions, their only idea is to now try one half that size.

This is totally new territory, quite unlike anthing that has gone on
before.
If you want the Keynsian model you have to start in the good times not
the bad.
I believe the gov plan is to create massive inflation so they can pay
off debts with near worthless money.
Just tough **** if you have savings, a pension or an annuity. It will
be worthless. I don't know what the answer to this is. I'm still
thinking about it.