We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On Jun 24, 7:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

That's because there's an incredible amount of force generated by the
tiny contact area - on the order of thousands of pounds per square
inch, and your daughter's friends heels were worn down so that the
metal support rod was exposed. The manufacturer of that engineered
floor does take high heeled shoes into account - read the manual/
installation instructions and you will see the disclaimer.

Too bad about the floor. You'll notice those marks less over time as
the floor exhibits its inevitable wear over time. It's like the first
ding in a new car door - it really hurts.

R

On Friday, June 24, 2011 4:41:36 PM UTC+3, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

That's because there's an incredible amount of force generated by the
tiny contact area - on the order of thousands of pounds per square
inch, and your daughter's friends heels were worn down so that the
metal support rod was exposed. The manufacturer of that engineered
floor does take high heeled shoes into account - read the manual/
installation instructions and you will see the disclaimer.

Too bad about the floor. You'll notice those marks less over time as
the floor exhibits its inevitable wear over time. It's like the first
ding in a new car door - it really hurts.

R

Hi
we are a company that operates in Saudi Arabia
too bad we are in different district other wise we could help you by proposing a solution from Chemical company called Chimiver.
it will revive the parquet & reduce the effect that the scratches leave on your wooden flooring.
visit our website where the kink is there & maybe you can find the product at your country.
www.alkayandecor.com

Answering a 2-year old post. That is, spam.

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 00:12:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, June 24, 2011 4:41:36 PM UTC+3, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

That's because there's an incredible amount of force generated by the
tiny contact area - on the order of thousands of pounds per square
inch, and your daughter's friends heels were worn down so that the
metal support rod was exposed. The manufacturer of that engineered
floor does take high heeled shoes into account - read the manual/
installation instructions and you will see the disclaimer.

Too bad about the floor. You'll notice those marks less over time as
the floor exhibits its inevitable wear over time. It's like the first
ding in a new car door - it really hurts.

R

Hi
we are a company that operates in Saudi Arabia
too bad we are in different district other wise we could help you by proposing a solution from Chemical company called Chimiver.
it will revive the parquet & reduce the effect that the scratches leave on your wooden flooring.
visit our website where the kink is there & maybe you can find the product at your country.
www.alkayandecor.com

wrote:
On Friday, June 24, 2011 4:41:36 PM UTC+3, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:38 am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.
That's because there's an incredible amount of force generated by the
tiny contact area - on the order of thousands of pounds per square
inch, and your daughter's friends heels were worn down so that the
metal support rod was exposed. The manufacturer of that engineered
floor does take high heeled shoes into account - read the manual/
installation instructions and you will see the disclaimer.

Too bad about the floor. You'll notice those marks less over time as
the floor exhibits its inevitable wear over time. It's like the first
ding in a new car door - it really hurts.

R

Hi
we are a company that operates in Saudi Arabia
too bad we are in different district other wise we could help you by proposing a solution from Chemical company called Chimiver.
it will revive the parquet & reduce the effect that the scratches leave on your wooden flooring.
visit our website where the kink is there & maybe you can find the product at your country.
www.alkayandecor.com


Similar happened to my wood parquet floor. It appeared that the woman
had lost the rubber soles on her high heels leaving only the heads of
the nails exposed. This happened about 10 years ago and the dents are
still there.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

willshak wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, June 24, 2011 4:41:36 PM UTC+3, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:38 am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one
her friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood
floors. Is this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into
account. Some areas look like they took a BB gun to it.
That's because there's an incredible amount of force generated by
the tiny contact area - on the order of thousands of pounds per
square inch, and your daughter's friends heels were worn down so
that the metal support rod was exposed. The manufacturer of that
engineered floor does take high heeled shoes into account - read
the manual/ installation instructions and you will see the
disclaimer. Too bad about the floor. You'll notice those marks less over
time
as the floor exhibits its inevitable wear over time. It's like the
first ding in a new car door - it really hurts.

R

Hi
we are a company that operates in Saudi Arabia
too bad we are in different district other wise we could help you by
proposing a solution from Chemical company called Chimiver. it will
revive the parquet & reduce the effect that the scratches leave on
your wooden flooring. visit our website where the kink is there & maybe you
can find the
product at your country. www.alkayandecor.com


Similar happened to my wood parquet floor. It appeared that the woman
had lost the rubber soles on her high heels leaving only the heads of
the nails exposed. This happened about 10 years ago and the dents are
still there.

But did they ever find the body?

On Jun 24, 7:38 am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

I keep a bathroom scale by the door. If they weigh over 120 and wearing
heels, they don't get in.

On Jun 9, 6:44*pm, willshak wrote:
....ship....

Similar happened to my wood parquet floor. It appeared that the woman
had lost the rubber soles on her high heels leaving only the heads of
the nails exposed. This happened about 10 years ago and the dents are
still there.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

Professionals 'steam' dents out. They did that to our grand piano top
and got pretty close to flat again. [I couldn't watch, so can't share
their technique.]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

Warranty claim...

On Jun 24, 10:48*am, "Pete C." wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

Warranty claim...

Nope. I installed some of that flooring. The instructions clearly
say keep off it with spike heels.

In article .com,
"Pete C." wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

Warranty claim...

So far Armstrong is suggesting that is normal wear and tear.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On 6/24/2011 11:14 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In monster.com,
"Pete wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

Warranty claim...

So far Armstrong is suggesting that is normal wear and tear.

Spike heels are (were) well known to damage floors. They've been out of
style for so long that everyone has forgotten....the heels are so small
that all the weight is concentrated in a small area...pretty much like
pounding in a spike.

wrote:

On 6/24/2011 11:14 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

In monster.com,
"Pete wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:


We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.


Warranty claim...


So far Armstrong is suggesting that is normal wear and tear.

Spike heels are (were) well known to damage floors. They've been out of
style for so long that everyone has forgotten....the heels are so small
that all the weight is concentrated in a small area...pretty much like
pounding in a spike.

I'd almost bet there's a disclaimer in the literature somewhere that
explicitly covers it...uncle was Armstrong distributor/dealer/installer
for years; it was a specific area of emphasis.

--

On Jun 24, 7:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

An elephant or a clydesdale will exert less stress on a floor than a
100 lb girl wearing stiletto heels.

JoeG

On Jun 24, 11:26*am, GROVER wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

An elephant or a clydesdale will exert less stress on a floor than a
100 lb girl wearing stiletto heels.

JoeG

That's probably true since they have big feet. My cousin has a horse
that occasionally sneaks in the house but I don't recall any floor
damage.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
m...

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.
=========

Spike heel caps need to be constantly monitored for wear, they never last
long. Otherwise the nail head is going to cause damage. Sorry to hear.

"Oren" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:06:58 -0500, "Nelly"
wrote:



"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
om...

We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.
=========

Spike heel caps need to be constantly monitored for wear, they never last
long. Otherwise the nail head is going to cause damage. Sorry to hear.

Large dogs need to have nails clipped often. They can scratch the
surface of some wood flooring material. Happened to a previous
neighbor.
==========

Problem, Oren?
I've yet to see any dog damage to a floor that can compare to that of a
5'8", 125-lb woman walking around in what amounts to nail punches.

"Nelly" wrote
Large dogs need to have nails clipped often. They can scratch the
surface of some wood flooring material. Happened to a previous
neighbor.
==========

Problem, Oren?
I've yet to see any dog damage to a floor that can compare to that of a
5'8", 125-lb woman walking around in what amounts to nail punches.

Depends on what you've seen. Heels make them tiny indents, but dog nails
can scratch the hell out of the surface. Neither one belongs on hardwood.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...


"Nelly" wrote
Large dogs need to have nails clipped often. They can scratch the
surface of some wood flooring material. Happened to a previous
neighbor.
==========

Problem, Oren?
I've yet to see any dog damage to a floor that can compare to that of a
5'8", 125-lb woman walking around in what amounts to nail punches.

Depends on what you've seen. Heels make them tiny indents, but dog nails
can scratch the hell out of the surface. Neither one belongs on hardwood.
==========

Don't know how dogs came into this, and maybe I've just forgotten but it
seemed like the deepest damage my lab did was from scratching at the door.
Plenty of that around. But neglected heels ruin in seconds, & some of the
damage I've seen was deeper than dents, especially on softer surfaces like
decks & "linoleum". Probably the shoes would have to be let go shamefully
long to do some of what I've seen, but it really doesn't take long for them
to start. I doubt I got much more than 10 walking hours per pair before the
nails were visible.
They should all come with warnings.
If I ever get nice flooring again, I think I'll suddenly remember I was from
Michigan & have guests leave their shoes at the door, if I see any
stilettos.

On 6/25/2011 3:09 PM, Nelly wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...


"Nelly" wrote
Large dogs need to have nails clipped often. They can scratch the
surface of some wood flooring material. Happened to a previous
neighbor.
==========

Problem, Oren?
I've yet to see any dog damage to a floor that can compare to that of
a 5'8", 125-lb woman walking around in what amounts to nail punches.

Depends on what you've seen. Heels make them tiny indents, but dog nails
can scratch the hell out of the surface. Neither one belongs on hardwood.
==========

Don't know how dogs came into this, and maybe I've just forgotten but it
seemed like the deepest damage my lab did was from scratching at the
door. Plenty of that around. But neglected heels ruin in seconds, & some
of the damage I've seen was deeper than dents, especially on softer
surfaces like decks & "linoleum". Probably the shoes would have to be
let go shamefully long to do some of what I've seen, but it really
doesn't take long for them to start. I doubt I got much more than 10
walking hours per pair before the nails were visible.
They should all come with warnings.
If I ever get nice flooring again, I think I'll suddenly remember I was
from Michigan & have guests leave their shoes at the door, if I see any
stilettos.


Never did understand why women wear those idiotic foot cripplers. Most
men could care less, and would prefer the ladies around them to be
comfortable, and therefore less cranky.

But having said that- I remember a Reader's Digest 'Life's most
embarrassing moments' filler piece where a lady describes going to a
museum in Europe, wearing heels, and the door-person hands her a couple
of plastic doo-hickeys. She assumes they are headphones, and tries to
fit them to her ears, until another tourist shows her that they are
snap-on heel guards to protect the priceless inlaid wood floors in the
museum.

--
aem sends...

On Jun 24, 4:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Kurt-

That is truly a bummer.

The problem is..... high heels are the bane of wood flooring.

As Rico posted the force of a person's weight applied over tiny area
of a high heel tip generates very high contact stress.

My mom (may she rest in peace) was a high heel wearer nearly her
entire life.
She would come home from work & cook dinner in high heels on the solid
oak floor.
There were many small about 3/8" diameter but very shallow indents.

Here is a link to cross grain compression of various wood species...
these numbers are at the "elastic limit", meaning stresses above this
will generate permanent impressions.

http://chestofbooks.com/home-improve...-Strength.html

The cross grain compressive elastic limit stress for oak is about 850
psi

I measured the diameter of various heel tips.

..625 x .625 (round) not a high heel .31 sq in
..375 x .625 (oval) semi high heel .24 sq in

"high" high heel (best guess at a worst case tip size)
..375 x .375 (round) .11 sq in


put a 100 pound girl on a single heel tip (don't even consider dynamic
effect due to dancing) and you get these contact stress

~325 psi
~420 psi
~900 psi

so the smaller diameter heel tips are getting close to the "damage
limit".



Put a heavier girl (120? 150?) in the shoes and the stress goes
higher.
Someone on poorly a maintained heel, as Rico pointed out, is way over
the limit.

Going down to the diameter of a BB (~.18) and now you're at 3,600
psi ..........
even a 1/4" diameter giv you 2,000 psi.

I don't know the compressive capacity of engineered wood floor product
but I assume its in the same ball park as real wood.
Even if the substrate has better compression properties than real
wood, the face ply is still real wood.

How about a sign?

"Fat people, please dance barefooted"
or
"Check your hooves & shoes"

cheers
Bob

On Jun 24, 5:32*pm, DD_BobK wrote:


I don't know the compressive capacity of engineered wood floor product
but I assume its in the same ball park as real wood.
Even if the substrate has better compression properties than real
wood, the face ply is still real wood.


That is exactly what I was wondering as I read the original post. My
first thought was that engineered floors might be more susceptible;
but when I think about it I'm not so sure. Our floors are 3/4"
natural oak and after nearly 2-1/2 years they have picked up a few
dings (AKA real-life patina :^} ). However, most have been caused by
some kind of impact such as a Pizza Stone falling from about
6' (didn't do the stone any good either). We also put a little dent
in during the moving process. No heels yet and I don't plan to test.

RonB

Kurt:

The heel on stilletto shoes isn't rounded like a BB is. It's a "D" shape.

Take a close look at the indentations with the aid of a bright light held close to the floor so that you can clearly see it's outline. If it's round, then I expect that the tip of the heel was missing from at least one of thse shoes so that the steel pin inside was exposed.

And, of course, the round end of the steel pin is going to exert more pressure at the point of contact than even a small "D" shaped heel will.

I expect one of your sister's friends didn't know her shoes were damaged, or didn't have a second pair of shoes to wear.

On Jun 24, 4:38*am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Kurt-

That is truly a bummer.

The problem is..... high heels are the bane of wood flooring.

As Rico posted the force of a person's weight applied over tiny area
of a high heel tip generates very high contact stress.

My mom (may she rest in peace) was a high heel wearer nearly her
entire life.
She would come home from work & cook dinner in high heels on the solid
oak floor.
There were many small about 3/8" diameter but very shallow indents.

Here is a link to cross grain compression of various wood species...
these numbers are at the "elastic limit", meaning stresses above this
will generate permanent impressions.

http://chestofbooks.com/home-improve...-Strength.html

The cross grain compressive elastic limit stress for oak is about 850
psi

I measured the diameter of various heel tips.

..625 x .625 (round) not a high heel .31 sq in
..375 x .625 (oval) semi high heel .24 sq in

"high" high heel (best guess at a worst case tip size)
..375 x .375 (round) .11 sq in


put a 100 pound girl on a single heel tip (don't even consider dynamic
effect due to dancing) and you get these contact stress

~325 psi
~420 psi
~900 psi

so the smaller diameter heel tips are getting close to the "damage
limit".

Put a heavier girl in the shoes or
someone on poorly maintained heel (as Rico pointed out) and you're
over the limit.

Going down to the diameter of a BB (~.18) and now you're at 3,600
psi ..........
even a 1/4" diameter give you 2,000 psi

I don't know the compressive capacity of engineered wood floor product
but I assume its in the same ball park.

Kurt Ullman wrote the following:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.



Many years ago, a woman with high heels attended a party at our house
and after she left, there was a lot of small dents in our wood floor. It
appeared that one, or both of her heels had lost the small rubber soles
(?) on the heels and all that was left were the heads of the small nails
that hold the rubber soles on.
The floor was 6" x 6" engineered parquet oak veneer tiles.
If your flooring has real wood veneer, you might try some lemon oil to
raise the grain in those dents. It helped somewhat on our floor.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:49:03 -0400, willshak wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote the following:
We had a party for our daughter yesterday. The high heels of one her
friends did serious damage to our 3-week-old engineered wood floors. Is
this normal? Seems like high heels should be taken into account. Some
areas look like they took a BB gun to it.



Many years ago, a woman with high heels attended a party at our house
and after she left, there was a lot of small dents in our wood floor. It
appeared that one, or both of her heels had lost the small rubber soles
(?) on the heels and all that was left were the heads of the small nails
that hold the rubber soles on.
The floor was 6" x 6" engineered parquet oak veneer tiles.
If your flooring has real wood veneer, you might try some lemon oil to
raise the grain in those dents. It helped somewhat on our floor.

A steam iron might work, too.

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