As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

On Jun 14, 12:13*am, aemeijers wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

You can put pt directly on the slab. All those metal ones look like
**** in 10 years if you ask me.

aemeijers wrote:

-snip-
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.

I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
them up.

They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them & picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]

Jim

On Jun 13, 11:13*pm, aemeijers wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

Doesn't homeowners insurance cover wind damage to your entire
property???

On 6/14/2011 12:47 PM, hr(bob) wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:13 pm, wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

Doesn't homeowners insurance cover wind damage to your entire
property???

Not around here, unless you bought an extra-cost rider or something.
Damage to man-made structures only. Insurance actually did pay out an
absurdly high amount on the shed- enough to pay for all the tree
removals- but I have fingers crossed that I don't have another claim
anytime soon. This was my one freebie, apparently. Adjuster submitted
the claim without even telling me first- I thought he was just coming to
verify the house was still here.
--
aem sends...

On 6/14/2011 7:37 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 14, 12:13 am, wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

You can put pt directly on the slab. All those metal ones look like
**** in 10 years if you ask me.

PT means water-resistant, not water-proof. In five years, I'd be
replacing the bottom plate, unless I made it out of plastic or put it on
Simpson spacers or something.

--
aem sends...

On 6/14/2011 8:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
wrote:

-snip-
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.

I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
them up.

They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them& picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]

Jim

Do prebuilt wood ones come in 10x14? And does anyone sell them without
floors, which I don't need or want? (a wood floor inches above a larger
slab will always have dampness and insect problems.) And does anyone
make them out of real plywood any more? I'm not impressed with how OSB
holds up on non-heated, non-weather-sealed spaces.

Probably a moot point anyway- unless my neighbors are feeling real kind,
no road for a flatbed into my back yard without driving over septic
system. So that takes it down to precut or stick built, which are a LOT
more expensive than metal, from what I have seen.

--
aem sends...

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of weeks
ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and another
that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine totaled my
shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on after an ice
storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back into usability.
Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot of people around
here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees and 3 days of
power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall enough
to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows and mowers
through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and able to take
snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a little extra for
quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell and airports use,
but bigger.

--
aem sends....

Read all the replies and yours to date.

You just got to bite the bullet and do this right. Even mixing your own
mortar how hard is it to lay one course of block around the slab?

Stick frame the darn thing and cover it with vinyl or hardieBoard siding.
Spend $50 more and wrap the gables and fascia. Throw away you paint brush
and enjoy life.

Now that I have motivated you, what time is the cookout? I can bring some
beer if you furnish the steaks.

Colbyt

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:03:17 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 6/14/2011 8:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
wrote:

-snip-
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.

I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
them up.

They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them& picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]

Jim

Do prebuilt wood ones come in 10x14? And does anyone sell them without
floors, which I don't need or want? (a wood floor inches above a larger
slab will always have dampness and insect problems.) And does anyone
make them out of real plywood any more? I'm not impressed with how OSB
holds up on non-heated, non-weather-sealed spaces.

Probably a moot point anyway- unless my neighbors are feeling real kind,
no road for a flatbed into my back yard without driving over septic
system. So that takes it down to precut or stick built, which are a LOT
more expensive than metal, from what I have seen.
Around here a 10X14 is a no-go without a building permit. Maximum
100 Sq feet without a "permanent foundation"

On 6/14/2011 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:03:17 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/14/2011 8:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
wrote:

-snip-
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.

I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
them up.

They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them& picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]

Jim

Do prebuilt wood ones come in 10x14? And does anyone sell them without
floors, which I don't need or want? (a wood floor inches above a larger
slab will always have dampness and insect problems.) And does anyone
make them out of real plywood any more? I'm not impressed with how OSB
holds up on non-heated, non-weather-sealed spaces.

Probably a moot point anyway- unless my neighbors are feeling real kind,
no road for a flatbed into my back yard without driving over septic
system. So that takes it down to precut or stick built, which are a LOT
more expensive than metal, from what I have seen.
Around here a 10X14 is a no-go without a building permit. Maximum
100 Sq feet without a "permanent foundation"

Another reason for sticking with the same brand and size, I guess- it
makes it 'repair', not 'new construction', since I could use the
original well-tarnished and lagged-down base rails. :^/

Around here, people try to avoid permanent foundations, since that puts
it in a different tax class. I have an out- my slab is much bigger than
the shed, and has a fence around it. 'But that is a dog pen, not a shed
foundation! It was that way when I bought the place!' Not real worried-
inspection in this township is more theoretical than real, especially
for detached structures with no power to them.

I did look on the website for the local 'Amish shed' dealer here in SW
MI. They do have 10x14, but they have floors, and look like they are
skinned in OSB. And they START at double what the mid-range Arrows like
I have, price-wise.

--
aem sends...

On Jun 14, 5:40*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 6/14/2011 7:37 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Jun 14, 12:13 am, *wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

You can put pt directly on the slab. *All those metal ones look like
**** in 10 years if you ask me.

PT means water-resistant, not water-proof. In five years, I'd be
replacing the bottom plate, unless I made it out of plastic or put it on
Simpson spacers or something.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pt got nothing to do with water resistance. It's rot resistant. Who
cares if it's wet. If it's not in contact with the ground it'll be
fine for longer than a metal shed will last. If you're really worried
run a strip of that new composite deck board as a base instead of the
pt. You can stick build a shed for not much more than the slightly
better than crap metal ones.

On Jun 14, 12:13*am, aemeijers wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

I lucked out and got this shed for $250 as an "open box" clearance
item at Home Depot. Current price is $869, but it was around $600 2
years ago when I bought it.

http://www.handyhome.com/kingston.htm

Be careful with any kit that you buy, metal or wood. Many of them cut
corners with inferior design and lack of "parts" to keep the cost
down.

For example, even at full price, my kit does not include floor decking
or roofing materials such as tar paper, shingles, drip edge, etc.
Worse yet, there is no sill plate for the walls. The 2 x 3 studs are
supposed to be toe-nailed to the floor decking.

The back wall has no studs, just a horizontal member and a vertical
member, notched to overlap in the center of the wall.

Since I saved so much money on the kit, I "upgraded" by buying some
extra 2 x 3's and building proper walls. I used screws instead of
nails, etc. All in, including "open bundle" shingles (at 50-75% off) I
stayed well below the retail price of the kit itself.

My point: Even if you can't score an "open-box" deal like I did, make
sure you know what you are getting with the kit. Try to download the
assembly instructions before you buy so you can determine how much
extra you are going to have to put into the kit to build something
you'll be comfortable with. If nothing else, it'll save you extra
trips to the store because you'll know what you are getting (and not
getting) with the kit.

On 6/14/2011 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:03:17 -0400,
wrote:

On 6/14/2011 8:23 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
wrote:

-snip-
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.

I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
them up.

They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them& picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]

Jim

Do prebuilt wood ones come in 10x14? And does anyone sell them without
floors, which I don't need or want? (a wood floor inches above a larger
slab will always have dampness and insect problems.) And does anyone
make them out of real plywood any more? I'm not impressed with how OSB
holds up on non-heated, non-weather-sealed spaces.

Probably a moot point anyway- unless my neighbors are feeling real kind,
no road for a flatbed into my back yard without driving over septic
system. So that takes it down to precut or stick built, which are a LOT
more expensive than metal, from what I have seen.
Around here a 10X14 is a no-go without a building permit. Maximum
100 Sq feet without a "permanent foundation"

Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.

Most popular around here are the so called "Amish sheds" because they
are built by folks in Lancaster county and trucked here.

On Jun 14, 12:13*am, aemeijers wrote:
As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)

Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.

Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.

--
aem sends....

Your subject line...

You have a metal yard?

In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.

Smitty Two wrote:

In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.


We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.


I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

--

In article , dpb wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.


We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.


I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

--

Well, we're talking non-permitted structures, but agree that if he built
it, city hall would either find a law or write one and enforce it
retroactively to make sure it got torn down.

dpb wrote:

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so
not surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a
friend of mine called city hall to find out about height
limitations, and was told there were none. He asked whether he could
then build a 3-story shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he
could.

I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit
height to be less than that of the main building even if the
footprint clause doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

If he can't go UP, maybe he could go three stories DOWN?

If so, a SECRET entrance would limit the building and tax inspector's
interest...

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

dpb wrote:

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so
not surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a
friend of mine called city hall to find out about height
limitations, and was told there were none. He asked whether he could
then build a 3-story shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he
could.

I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit
height to be less than that of the main building even if the
footprint clause doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

If he can't go UP, maybe he could go three stories DOWN?

If so, a SECRET entrance would limit the building and tax inspector's
interest...

What with municipalities using google earth now to find scabbed-in
backyard structures of all manner, perhaps we'll see a surge in
subterranean structures. Work at night to excavate, rolling out a giant
lawn-colored tarp before dawn. Then bury a couple of those big steel
shipping containers.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

dpb wrote:

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so
not surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a
friend of mine called city hall to find out about height
limitations, and was told there were none. He asked whether he
could then build a 3-story shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was
told he could.

I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed.
I'm thinking there's almost certainly another section that will
limit height to be less than that of the main building even if the
footprint clause doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

If he can't go UP, maybe he could go three stories DOWN?

If so, a SECRET entrance would limit the building and tax inspector's
interest...

What with municipalities using google earth now to find scabbed-in
backyard structures of all manner, perhaps we'll see a surge in
subterranean structures. Work at night to excavate, rolling out a
giant lawn-colored tarp before dawn. Then bury a couple of those big
steel shipping containers.

Good idea. I don't think Google Earth is continuous. If one could find the
schedule for the satellite, there might be windows of opportunity.

But they're not just looking for scabbed-in construction !!

My city, Houston, used satellite photos (not sure if they were Google) this
past month to determine how much of each bit of property was not, er, grass.

The city then levied a tax (fee) on the non-permeable part of the property
(i.e., the house, garage, driveway, sidewalk, etc.) for storm drainage
access. The fee is not inconsequential - in my case about $16/month or
$190/year. If I recall, the fee is $0.03xx / sq ft / year.

My town has received about 1.5" of rain in the last three months, roughly
equivalent to what the middle of the Sahara Desert gets (normal for Feb,
Mar, & Apr is better than ten inches). I can't see how the city needs storm
drainage improvements in this scenario.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:55:56 -0500, dpb wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.


We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.


I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.
Wouldn't stand long without the permanent foundation that also
triggers the requirement for a permit - and taxation.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:15:51 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

dpb wrote:

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so
not surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a
friend of mine called city hall to find out about height
limitations, and was told there were none. He asked whether he could
then build a 3-story shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he
could.

I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit
height to be less than that of the main building even if the
footprint clause doesn't state it for the tax purpose.

If he can't go UP, maybe he could go three stories DOWN?

If so, a SECRET entrance would limit the building and tax inspector's
interest...

What with municipalities using google earth now to find scabbed-in
backyard structures of all manner, perhaps we'll see a surge in
subterranean structures. Work at night to excavate, rolling out a giant
lawn-colored tarp before dawn. Then bury a couple of those big steel
shipping containers.

They can't find any structures in my yard with Google Earth. GE shows my lot
as being only rough graded. ;-)

In article ,
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:55:56 -0500, dpb wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.


We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.


I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.
Wouldn't stand long without the permanent foundation that also
triggers the requirement for a permit - and taxation.

True, but as several of you have mentioned the taxation issue, it's not
an issue here in CA.

In article ,
Smitty Two wrote:
In article , George
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.

We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.

Remarkably enough, also the subject of a subplot on an episode of _King
of the Hill_. Particularly a challenge of the base can't be fixed to
the ground. Although the hole idea opens up new avenues.

m

On 6/17/2011 12:39 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:56:25 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In ,
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:55:56 -0500, wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In ,
wrote:


Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.


We have some of the most restrictive building codes in the U.S., so not
surprisingly the 100 sq. ft. limit is in force here, too. But a friend
of mine called city hall to find out about height limitations, and was
told there were none. He asked whether he could then build a 3-story
shed with an 8 x 12 footprint, and was told he could.


I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.
Wouldn't stand long without the permanent foundation that also
triggers the requirement for a permit - and taxation.

True, but as several of you have mentioned the taxation issue, it's not
an issue here in CA.

I don't pay any particular tax on my shed either but all sheds in
Florida require a permit and they have to meet wind code.
Basically you can't even have one of those sheet metal or plastic
things anywhere on the peninsula. You might get away with it up there
in Baja Alabama.

Well, my shed dealt with the WIND (100+, they say) just fine. It was the
frigging tree that snapped off 12-15 feet up that did it in, when it
landed on it. And the trunk had to jump 10 feet sideways to do it,
hitting the same corner where the first pine tree did 2 years ago...

But yeah, I grok hurricane code/ wind zone ratings, and the reasons for
them. I own a house down in Lake Charles LA, which has many of the same
requirements FL does, but thankfully gets nailed a lot less often.

Once I do get around to putting up the new shed, I wonder what the
township would say if I built a roll cage around it? That fence is
getting pretty ratty looking anyway. A pergola made out of 3-inch pipe
on 24" centers would probably do it...

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