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Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no
less than 100 or 350 RPM? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
"John Doe" wrote in message b.com... Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Use it as screwdriver? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 5, 12:16*pm, John Doe wrote:
Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Because its durable and holds up when you throw it at a wall because it stripped your screws and you are ****ed? Because you like the name panasonic? Because life isnt perfect? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 5, 1:58*pm, "Charlie" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message b.com... Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Use it as screwdriver? Who would want a screw driver that starts at 100 RPM? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
John Doe wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-05, Pete C. wrote:
Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 5, 11:16*am, John Doe wrote:
Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? == They are "variable speed" and can be run at any RPM you select within the range they are designed for. You can't be very observant or are totally incompetent or both. == |
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On May 5, 8:57*pm, Roy wrote:
On May 5, 11:16*am, John Doe wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? == They are "variable speed" and can be run at any RPM you select within the range they are designed for. You can't be very observant or are totally incompetent or both. == TELL EM ROY..."ANTICIPATING THE FUTURE" :) TGITM |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 5/5/2011 8:29 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-05-05, Pete wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb IMHO, a cordless is the wrong tool for production use on high-torque applications. I have a cordless 24v B&D, and love it for small light-duty jobs, but it doesn't do deck screws and similar chores worth a damn. It did great with short drywall screws, and when I had to shoot a couple hundred self-tapping panel screws putting my shed back together after a tree fell on it, But after about 4 3.5" deck screws when changing out some rotten boards, I ran out and bought a real corded drill with a lot more torque. (I had smoked my previous corded drill, an el cheapo B&D 3/8, drilling wiring holes through 40 year old framing that was hard as a rock.) -- aem sends.... |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
notbob wrote: On 2011-05-05, Pete C. wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb Impact drivers are far far better at the task than a drill/driver. As for drill RPM, my Makita and Hilti drills both start from near zero RPM and quite often those low RPMs are needed when getting a bit started properly on center, getting a screw point started, etc. Again remember matsu****a and run the other way with any of their brands. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
Roy wilagro hotmail.com wrote:
John Doe j... usenetlove.invalid wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? =They are "variable speed" and can be run at any RPM you select within the range they are designed for. You can't be very observant or are totally incompetent or both. You appear to be suffering from a reading comprehension problem. Panasonic cordless drills run at no less than 100 RPM in low gear and no less than 350 RPM in high gear. I have nothing against Panasonic, but I keep running into that stupid attribute of their drills, and it just seems crazy. No other company in the world designs Their cordless drills to prevent running at slower than 100 RPM, because it's a stupid idea. That is just plain stupid, there is no other description. Only a Panasonic fanboy could love a drill like that. -- = See also Google Groups Path: news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com! npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!d19g2000prh.googlegr oups.com!not-for-mail From: Roy wilagro hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.home.repair Subject: Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb? Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: 24167112-7acd-4548-a96e-8454c32224b8 d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com References: 4dc2db50$0$9375$c3e8da3$1cbc7475 news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.172.97.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1304643422 21633 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2011 00:57:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com Injection-Info: d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.172.97.41; posting-account=0unN3QoAAADRj9QAi6u58U0DLxA64zoi User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1,gzip(gfe) |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
John Doe wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Hmmm, That is not a variable speed? Mine is. and reversible direction as well. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
Tony Hwang dragon40 shaw.ca wrote:
John Doe wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Hmmm, That is not a variable speed? Mine is. and reversible direction as well. All of Panasonic's current cordless drills do not allow RPM of less than 100 (no less than 350 in high gear). It has been that way for years. And that's the way it is. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
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John Doe wrote: Tony Hwang dragon40 shaw.ca wrote: John Doe wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? Hmmm, That is not a variable speed? Mine is. and reversible direction as well. All of Panasonic's current cordless drills do not allow RPM of less than 100 (no less than 350 in high gear). It has been that way for years. And that's the way it is. Perhaps Panasonic understands the relationship between torque and RPM, and the uselessness of a drill that can do no reasonable amount of work. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 5, 10:19*pm, John Doe wrote:
Roy wilagro hotmail.com wrote: John Doe j... usenetlove.invalid wrote: Why on earth would anybody want a cordless drill that starts at no less than 100 or 350 RPM? =They are "variable speed" and can be run at any RPM you select within the range they are designed for. You can't be very observant or are totally incompetent or both. You appear to be suffering from a reading comprehension problem. Panasonic cordless drills run at no less than 100 RPM in low gear and no less than 350 RPM in high gear. I have nothing against Panasonic, but I keep running into that stupid attribute of their drills, and it just seems crazy. No other company in the world designs Their cordless drills to prevent running at slower than 100 RPM, because it's a stupid idea. That is just plain stupid, there is no other description. Snipped unnecessary paranoid headers posting / SO YOU MUST BE THE HEAD GENIUS.....THE MOTOR CAN RUN AT 100 RPMs, IT IS GEARED DOWN TO A DECENT LEVEL..WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE TORQUE CONSIDERATIONS. PERSONALLY I THINK PANASONIC SHOULD STICK TO ENTERTAINMENT. TGITM |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 6, 5:19*am, wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:23:18 -0400, aemeijers wrote: On 5/5/2011 8:29 PM, notbob wrote: On 2011-05-05, Pete *wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. *At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. *Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb IMHO, a cordless is the wrong tool for production use on high-torque applications. I have a cordless 24v B&D, and love it for small light-duty jobs, but it doesn't do deck screws and similar chores worth a damn. It did great with short drywall screws, and when I had to shoot a couple hundred self-tapping panel screws putting my shed back together after a tree fell on it, But after about 4 3.5" deck screws when changing out some rotten boards, I ran out and bought a real corded drill with a lot more torque. (I had smoked my previous corded drill, an el cheapo B&D 3/8, drilling wiring holes through 40 year old framing that was hard as a rock.) Why do people use cordless tools on a deck when there is almost alwys an outlet no more than ten feet away? *Cordless tools are made for situations where there is no electricity, or in places where the cord is a big hassle, like on a roof. *And unless you have a top quality commercial cordless, you're only asking to destroy the drill on 3.5" deck screws. *Even a cheap corded drill has a tough time with those screws. * Last year I bought a small deck from someone who moved their mobile home, and sold the deck. *It was only a few years old and in good shape. *It was put together with deck screws. *I tried to dismantle it using a cordless drill (no power was available). *None of my cordless drills could remove the 3 to 4 inch deck screws. *Using a screwdriver was even tough. *I got a trailer and a few friends to come over, intending to just lift the whole deck on the trailer. *One guy brought a very costly cordless drill, and I was surprised that it did remove some of the screws, but his battery went dead at about the 8th screw, and the battery had been fully charged. *We loaded the whole deck on the trailer in one piece. *When I got it home, I did some modifications to it, and had to remove some screws. *Even a small corded drill had to struggle, but my big corded drill worked fine. Once those deck screws are in the wood for awhile, they are almost like someone glued them in. *I guess the wood expands from weather. One other thing. *Some years ago I was overloading a cordless drill, and the battery literally exploded. *Apparently it overheated. *My hands, arms and face were cut when chunks of plastic flew from the battery. *Someone else nearby also was hit and cut. *No one was seriously hurt, but it was unexpected and it hurt, and could have been worse if a piece had gone in someones eye or something.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have an 18v sears cordless that has a lo/hi gear selector. I use it pretty regularly to drive screws including deck screws with the low setting. It does pretty well even on the 3 1/2" and 4" ones. But if I have a lot to do I will get out the corded drill. I agree that any situation where you have a lot of repetitions and power available it's better to use corded tools. But you can't be the convenience of the battery ones when all you have to do is a few things. Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 5/6/2011 8:44 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
.... Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Same reason one might buy a railroad locomotive or jet engine from a company that makes home appliances???? -- |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
In article , dpb wrote:
On 5/6/2011 8:44 AM, jamesgangnc wrote: ... Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Same reason one might buy a railroad locomotive or jet engine from a company that makes home appliances???? -- Kenmore makes jet engines now? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Because its the best? I have owned or used DeWalt, Bosch, Ryobi, Craftsman, and Porter Cable cordless drills. My all time favorite is my 15.6V Panasonic. Nice weight, size, balance. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
"John Doe" wrote in message You appear to be suffering from a reading comprehension problem. Panasonic cordless drills run at no less than 100 RPM in low gear and no less than 350 RPM in high gear. I have nothing against Panasonic, but I keep running into that stupid attribute of their drills, and it just seems crazy. No other company in the world designs Their cordless drills to prevent running at slower than 100 RPM, Mine will turn much slower. It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
jamesgangnc wrote:
Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Hey! they make great telephones and bathroom exhaust fans. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
Smitty Two wrote:
In article , dpb wrote: On 5/6/2011 8:44 AM, jamesgangnc wrote: ... Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Same reason one might buy a railroad locomotive or jet engine from a company that makes home appliances???? -- Kenmore makes jet engines now? They don't even make appliances. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
In article
, jamesgangnc wrote: Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? An archetypal true story told in business workshops is used to illustrate the value and relevance of a mission statement. In the sixties there were many television manufacturers in the U.S. Only one of those companies survived: Motorola. Why? Because all the other companies defined themselves as television manufacturers. Motorola defined themselves as a consumer electronics company. When TV manufacturing went to Japan in the seventies, everyone else died, but Motorola only hiccuped. |
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wrote: Smitty Two wrote: In article , dpb wrote: On 5/6/2011 8:44 AM, jamesgangnc wrote: ... Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Same reason one might buy a railroad locomotive or jet engine from a company that makes home appliances???? -- Kenmore makes jet engines now? They don't even make appliances. True, and I expected someone to point that out. I just had an image in my mind, of a coppertone jet engine with a big "Lady Kenmore" logo on it. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 6, 10:02*am, dpb wrote:
On 5/6/2011 8:44 AM, jamesgangnc wrote: ... Better question is why would you buy a power tool from a tv manufacturer? Same reason one might buy a railroad locomotive or jet engine from a company that makes home appliances???? -- Or healthcare equipment from a company that leases airplanes? (GE) |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 5, 8:29*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2011-05-05, Pete C. wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. *At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. *Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb "Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that?" Anyone who uses a screwdriver for other applications than building decks. Of course, that doesn't make the user stupid. I don't want my screwdriver to *always* be slower than 100RPM, but I certainly want the option of having it *start* at less than 100 RPM. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 6, 5:19*am, wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:23:18 -0400, aemeijers wrote: On 5/5/2011 8:29 PM, notbob wrote: On 2011-05-05, Pete *wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. *At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. *Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb IMHO, a cordless is the wrong tool for production use on high-torque applications. I have a cordless 24v B&D, and love it for small light-duty jobs, but it doesn't do deck screws and similar chores worth a damn. It did great with short drywall screws, and when I had to shoot a couple hundred self-tapping panel screws putting my shed back together after a tree fell on it, But after about 4 3.5" deck screws when changing out some rotten boards, I ran out and bought a real corded drill with a lot more torque. (I had smoked my previous corded drill, an el cheapo B&D 3/8, drilling wiring holes through 40 year old framing that was hard as a rock.) Why do people use cordless tools on a deck when there is almost alwys an outlet no more than ten feet away? *Cordless tools are made for situations where there is no electricity, or in places where the cord is a big hassle, like on a roof. *And unless you have a top quality commercial cordless, you're only asking to destroy the drill on 3.5" deck screws. *Even a cheap corded drill has a tough time with those screws. * Last year I bought a small deck from someone who moved their mobile home, and sold the deck. *It was only a few years old and in good shape. *It was put together with deck screws. *I tried to dismantle it using a cordless drill (no power was available). *None of my cordless drills could remove the 3 to 4 inch deck screws. *Using a screwdriver was even tough. *I got a trailer and a few friends to come over, intending to just lift the whole deck on the trailer. *One guy brought a very costly cordless drill, and I was surprised that it did remove some of the screws, but his battery went dead at about the 8th screw, and the battery had been fully charged. *We loaded the whole deck on the trailer in one piece. *When I got it home, I did some modifications to it, and had to remove some screws. *Even a small corded drill had to struggle, but my big corded drill worked fine. Once those deck screws are in the wood for awhile, they are almost like someone glued them in. *I guess the wood expands from weather. One other thing. *Some years ago I was overloading a cordless drill, and the battery literally exploded. *Apparently it overheated. *My hands, arms and face were cut when chunks of plastic flew from the battery. *Someone else nearby also was hit and cut. *No one was seriously hurt, but it was unexpected and it hurt, and could have been worse if a piece had gone in someones eye or something.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Cordless tools are made for situations where there is no electricity, or in places where the cord is a big hassle, like on a roof." I can't recall a time where I needed to pull out my corded drill because my DeWalt cordless coudn't handle the task. I've build/rebuilt decks, docks, sheds, cabins, and houses. The only time I use my corded drill is when I need a hammer drill. "One guy brought a very costly cordless drill, and I was surprised that it did remove some of the screws, but his battery went dead at about the 8th screw, and the battery had been fully charged." That doesn't tell us anything about cordless drills in general. I had a Dewalt a few years back where the batteries were shot. "Fully charged" meant nothing from a usage-time perspective. They would die after a very short time under minimal loads. Of course, they would charge up again in a very short time so I was never without a battery, but what a pain. Unless someone else had a "very costly " (what does that mean?) cordless drill that also used up a "fully charged" battery after only 8 screws (really?) then it's very possible that the drill/battery was the problem, not the use of a cordless drill in that situation. I wonder how many contractors out there still use a corded drill on an everyday basis, determined by whether electricity is available or not. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote:
for drill RPM, my Makita and Hilti drills both start from near zero RPM Are you retarded? All drills start from "near zero". In fact, I feel I can say wihout fear of contradiction they ALL start from EXACTLY zero. and quite often those low RPMs are needed when getting a bit started properly on center..... A bit? As in drill bit? Anyone not properly center punching a starting point in metal or can't start a drill bit in wood at less than 2 revolutions per second should put the tool down and go play with some fuzzy toys in the rubber room. Are you really this stupid or are you getting shots? nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
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, DerbyDad03 wrote: On May 6, 5:19*am, wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:23:18 -0400, aemeijers wrote: On 5/5/2011 8:29 PM, notbob wrote: On 2011-05-05, Pete *wrote: Beware of all things mastu****a (parent company of Panasonic and others)... Beware of stupid posts! A coarse thread 3-1/2" deck screw has approx 28-35 threads. *At 100 rpm, that's a minimum of just over 15 secs to drive one screw. *Who is so stupid as to want a screwdriver slower than that? nb IMHO, a cordless is the wrong tool for production use on high-torque applications. I have a cordless 24v B&D, and love it for small light-duty jobs, but it doesn't do deck screws and similar chores worth a damn. It did great with short drywall screws, and when I had to shoot a couple hundred self-tapping panel screws putting my shed back together after a tree fell on it, But after about 4 3.5" deck screws when changing out some rotten boards, I ran out and bought a real corded drill with a lot more torque. (I had smoked my previous corded drill, an el cheapo B&D 3/8, drilling wiring holes through 40 year old framing that was hard as a rock.) Why do people use cordless tools on a deck when there is almost alwys an outlet no more than ten feet away? *Cordless tools are made for situations where there is no electricity, or in places where the cord is a big hassle, like on a roof. *And unless you have a top quality commercial cordless, you're only asking to destroy the drill on 3.5" deck screws. *Even a cheap corded drill has a tough time with those screws. * Last year I bought a small deck from someone who moved their mobile home, and sold the deck. *It was only a few years old and in good shape. *It was put together with deck screws. *I tried to dismantle it using a cordless drill (no power was available). *None of my cordless drills could remove the 3 to 4 inch deck screws. *Using a screwdriver was even tough. *I got a trailer and a few friends to come over, intending to just lift the whole deck on the trailer. *One guy brought a very costly cordless drill, and I was surprised that it did remove some of the screws, but his battery went dead at about the 8th screw, and the battery had been fully charged. *We loaded the whole deck on the trailer in one piece. *When I got it home, I did some modifications to it, and had to remove some screws. *Even a small corded drill had to struggle, but my big corded drill worked fine. Once those deck screws are in the wood for awhile, they are almost like someone glued them in. *I guess the wood expands from weather. One other thing. *Some years ago I was overloading a cordless drill, and the battery literally exploded. *Apparently it overheated. *My hands, arms and face were cut when chunks of plastic flew from the battery. *Someone else nearby also was hit and cut. *No one was seriously hurt, but it was unexpected and it hurt, and could have been worse if a piece had gone in someones eye or something.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Cordless tools are made for situations where there is no electricity, or in places where the cord is a big hassle, like on a roof." I can't recall a time where I needed to pull out my corded drill because my DeWalt cordless coudn't handle the task. I've build/rebuilt decks, docks, sheds, cabins, and houses. The only time I use my corded drill is when I need a hammer drill. "One guy brought a very costly cordless drill, and I was surprised that it did remove some of the screws, but his battery went dead at about the 8th screw, and the battery had been fully charged." That doesn't tell us anything about cordless drills in general. I had a Dewalt a few years back where the batteries were shot. "Fully charged" meant nothing from a usage-time perspective. They would die after a very short time under minimal loads. Of course, they would charge up again in a very short time so I was never without a battery, but what a pain. Unless someone else had a "very costly " (what does that mean?) cordless drill that also used up a "fully charged" battery after only 8 screws (really?) then it's very possible that the drill/battery was the problem, not the use of a cordless drill in that situation. I wonder how many contractors out there still use a corded drill on an everyday basis, determined by whether electricity is available or not. I'll put you down as one vote in favor of cordless, then. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Mine will turn much slower. It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. This is an advantage, how? What point is there in having a drill that turns slower? Howzabout 50 rpm? One revolution per second slow enough for you? Wait! I do have one electrical device that turns at exactly 1 rpm. It's my friggin' clock!! nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
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notbob wrote: On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote: for drill RPM, my Makita and Hilti drills both start from near zero RPM Are you retarded? All drills start from "near zero". In fact, I feel I can say wihout fear of contradiction they ALL start from EXACTLY zero. and quite often those low RPMs are needed when getting a bit started properly on center..... A bit? As in drill bit? Anyone not properly center punching a starting point in metal or can't start a drill bit in wood at less than 2 revolutions per second should put the tool down and go play with some fuzzy toys in the rubber room. Are you really this stupid or are you getting shots? nb Center punching is for sissies, as is starting a hole with the drill running slowly. Use a split point drill so it won't walk, pull the damn trigger and drill the hole. If your hands are shaking so bad that you can't line up a drill with a mark, then I agree, you shouldn't be using power tools. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
"notbob" wrote in message ... On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Mine will turn much slower. It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. This is an advantage, how? What point is there in having a drill that turns slower? Howzabout 50 rpm? One revolution per second slow enough for you? Wait! I do have one electrical device that turns at exactly 1 rpm. It's my friggin' clock!! nb Very slow can, at times, be a help starting a screw with no pilot hole. Once you go about 4 turns, it makes no difference at all. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
notbob wrote: On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote: for drill RPM, my Makita and Hilti drills both start from near zero RPM Are you retarded? All drills start from "near zero". In fact, I feel I can say wihout fear of contradiction they ALL start from EXACTLY zero. The reference is to the lowest driven speed on the variable speed trigger. Quality drills will start and run at very slow and controlled RPMs. The noted matsu****a drill jumps from zero to 100 RPM+. and quite often those low RPMs are needed when getting a bit started properly on center..... A bit? As in drill bit? Anyone not properly center punching a starting point in metal or can't start a drill bit in wood at less than 2 revolutions per second should put the tool down and go play with some fuzzy toys in the rubber room. Low RPM centering is generally required starting the Hilti hammer drill on concrete. Center punching metal is an extra step that required significant extra time handling other tools and is entirely unnecessary in many cases if you have a quality drill and know how to use it. Starting drill bits in wood is pretty easy, but starting long screws in hard wood requires low RPM initial drive to keep the drive bit properly engaged while the screw point is getting started and the screw is unstable. Are you really this stupid or are you getting shots? Im not stupid, but either you are or you're just trolling. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
notbob wrote: On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Mine will turn much slower. It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. This is an advantage, how? What point is there in having a drill that turns slower? Howzabout 50 rpm? One revolution per second slow enough for you? Wait! I do have one electrical device that turns at exactly 1 rpm. It's my friggin' clock!! nb I guess you don't do any drilling in thick / structural metal, otherwise you would know that 100 RPM is over the top speed for larger drill bits like 1/2"+ in thick metal like 1/4"+ steel. |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Very slow can, at times, be a help starting a screw with no pilot hole. In my reality, less than 2 revolutions per second IS "very slow" and I'm so old, I'm almost carbon dateable. I guess as a one-time machinist and someone who grew up using drill motors before the apparently now can't-do-without variable speed control, I don't understand why someone needs speeds slower than the orbit of the moon around earth to start a drill. Silly me. No wonder manufacturing has been moved off-shore. Even "semi-skilled" appears to be an unattainable goal by our younger generations of drug addled dolts. nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote:
....but either you are or you're just trolling. Funny, I was gonna say the same of you. You've yet to present a single situation where less than 2 revs per sec is too fast for anyone with enough skill to hold an electric handtool w/o maiming themselves or others unless they are crippled, retarded, or spastic. nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
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"Pete C." wrote: notbob wrote: On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Mine will turn much slower. It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. This is an advantage, how? What point is there in having a drill that turns slower? Howzabout 50 rpm? One revolution per second slow enough for you? Wait! I do have one electrical device that turns at exactly 1 rpm. It's my friggin' clock!! nb I guess you don't do any drilling in thick / structural metal, otherwise you would know that 100 RPM is over the top speed for larger drill bits like 1/2"+ in thick metal like 1/4"+ steel. I'll agree with you there, but would you really use a cordless drill for that? |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote:
I guess you don't do any drilling in thick / structural metal, otherwise you would know that 100 RPM is over the top speed for larger drill bits like 1/2"+ in thick metal like 1/4"+ steel. I'm a machinist. I also have an old all-metal Milwaukee 1/2" hand drill motor with one speed, 400 rpm. Anyone who uses ANY hand drill, with or w/o variable speed, to drive a half inch or larger drill bit in 1/4" steel w/o first driving a pilot hole or using a mag-base is a complete moron and a hack and deserves the broken wrist/hand/arm they will eventually sustain. nb |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
On May 6, 11:57*am, notbob wrote:
On 2011-05-06, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Mine will turn much slower. *It will barely move at the lowest setting. Mine is a 15.6V, but perhaps other sizes are different. This is an advantage, how? *What point is there in having a drill that turns slower? *Howzabout 50 rpm? *One revolution per second slow enough for you? Wait! *I do have one electrical device that turns at exactly 1 rpm. It's my friggin' clock!! *Exactly* 1 RPM? Wow, that must be a really expensive clock! Cesium beam controlled, perhaps? No, wait, even the so-called "atomic clocks" need to be adjusted from time to time (no pun intended) *Exactly* 1 RPM? That must be some friggin' clock! |
Panasonic cordless drills are just dumb?
notbob wrote: On 2011-05-06, Pete C. wrote: ....but either you are or you're just trolling. Funny, I was gonna say the same of you. You've yet to present a single situation where less than 2 revs per sec is too fast for anyone with enough skill to hold an electric handtool w/o maiming themselves or others unless they are crippled, retarded, or spastic. nb I most certainly did, and everyone else read it troll. |
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