Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.


http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

--Vic

On Apr 13, 1:04*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

Well, I'm not sure why someone would use old, mismatched shingles as
cap shingles on a new roof, but it wasn't the best idea they ever
had. Strange place to save $20. I've never seen such deteriorated
cap shingles. How long had the cap shingles been sitting (outside?)
before they were installed? I'm guessing they must have been left
over from the previous roof installation, so at least fifteen years.
Looking on the bright side, at least they'll be real easy to replace.

R

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On Apr 13, 1:04Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

Well, I'm not sure why someone would use old, mismatched shingles as
cap shingles on a new roof, but it wasn't the best idea they ever
had. Strange place to save $20. I've never seen such deteriorated
cap shingles. How long had the cap shingles been sitting (outside?)
before they were installed? I'm guessing they must have been left
over from the previous roof installation, so at least fifteen years.
Looking on the bright side, at least they'll be real easy to replace.

R

Roof was done 10 years ago this week.
The caps were the same color as the shingles.
I've been up there most years since.
But not for 4 years, because I had my gutter clogging tree cut down.
4 years ago I didn't notice any deterioration of the caps.
Looks like I got "40 year" shingles with 10-year self-destructing
caps.
I see the roofer is still in business, so I'll call him out and see
what he says.

---Vic

On Apr 13, 12:04*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

--Vic

What? No ridge vents?

Joe

On 4/13/2011 2:30 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On Apr 13, 1:04 pm, Vic wrote:

Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

Well, I'm not sure why someone would use old, mismatched shingles as
cap shingles on a new roof, but it wasn't the best idea they ever
had. Strange place to save $20. I've never seen such deteriorated
cap shingles. How long had the cap shingles been sitting (outside?)
before they were installed? I'm guessing they must have been left
over from the previous roof installation, so at least fifteen years.
Looking on the bright side, at least they'll be real easy to replace.

R

Roof was done 10 years ago this week.
The caps were the same color as the shingles.
I've been up there most years since.
But not for 4 years, because I had my gutter clogging tree cut down.
4 years ago I didn't notice any deterioration of the caps.
Looks like I got "40 year" shingles with 10-year self-destructing
caps.

My understanding is that there are no 40 year 3 tab shingles. That is
what ridge caps are cut from, 3 tab. 3 tabs are thinner and won't last
anywhere near as long as architectural.

It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Just replace them.

YMMV.

Jeff


I see the roofer is still in busiss, so I'll call him out and see
what he says.

---Vic

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Joe wrote:

On Apr 13, 12:04Â*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

--Vic

What? No ridge vents?

Joe

Don't see any ridge vents in my neighborhood.
Houses are circa late '50's, early '60's.
I assume they're mostly ventilated like mine.
Gable vents and a powered roof vent tied to a thermostat.
Seems to work okay for my place.

--Vic

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:

It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Just replace them.


That's what I'll do. But not me. Too old for that.
It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

On Apr 13, 3:15*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:



* It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

* Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. *But not me. *Too old for that.
It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.

On Apr 13, 3:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:15*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:

* It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

* Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. *But not me. *Too old for that.
It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.

It's hard to fault a cap shingle installation. The surface of the
shingles broke down before the rest of the shingles. The
manufacturer will probably pony up some prorated money to replace the
caps - say $10. But more likely they'll probably just offer a few
bundles of replacement cap shingles, and the burden of the cost - the
installation, will be on Vic as the roofer will rightfully say, "I
didn't do anything wrong!"

R

On Apr 13, 2:49*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 4/13/2011 2:30 PM, Vic Smith wrote:









On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
*wrote:

On Apr 13, 1:04 pm, Vic *wrote:

Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

Well, I'm not sure why someone would use old, mismatched shingles as
cap shingles on a new roof, but it wasn't the best idea they ever
had. *Strange place to save $20. *I've never seen such deteriorated
cap shingles. *How long had the cap shingles been sitting (outside?)
before they were installed? *I'm guessing they must have been left
over from the previous roof installation, so at least fifteen years.
Looking on the bright side, at least they'll be real easy to replace.


Roof was done 10 years ago this week.
The caps were the same color as the shingles.
I've been up there most years since.
But not for 4 years, because I had my gutter clogging tree cut down.
4 *years ago I didn't notice any deterioration of the caps.
Looks like I got "40 year" shingles with 10-year self-destructing
caps.

Count your blessings, man! How would you like the reverse situation?

My understanding is that there are no 40 year 3 tab shingles. That is
what ridge caps are cut from, 3 tab. 3 tabs are thinner and won't last
anywhere near as long as architectural.

A couple of manufacturers do make cap shingles with corresponding
longevity.

* *It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Particularly when the roofer bends them too sharply, or on a cold day,
and they crack right at the ridge. You see that all too often.

R

On 4/13/2011 3:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:15 pm, Vic wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff
wrote:



It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. But not me. Too old for that.

My 80 year old friend Steve works on his roof, he also walks around
his house on his hands.

YMMV.

It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.


What warranty? I don't think there is any kind of a warranty on 3 tab
shingles cut and applied as a ridge cap. I can't see this as being
expensive to fix.

Jeff

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On Apr 13, 3:31Â*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:15Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:

Â* It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Â* Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. Â*But not me. Â*Too old for that.
It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.

It's hard to fault a cap shingle installation. The surface of the
shingles broke down before the rest of the shingles. The
manufacturer will probably pony up some prorated money to replace the
caps - say $10. But more likely they'll probably just offer a few
bundles of replacement cap shingles, and the burden of the cost - the
installation, will be on Vic as the roofer will rightfully say, "I
didn't do anything wrong!"


That's what I fully expect. The only question will be the price the
roofer gives me, and whether I should shop it.
I'm thinking about $300, give or take $50..

--Vic

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:43:00 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:

On 4/13/2011 3:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:15 pm, Vic wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff
wrote:



It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. But not me. Too old for that.

My 80 year old friend Steve works on his roof, he also walks around
his house on his hands.


God bless him! That was my goal, but right now it ain't happening.
My fault. Too much sitting around after I retired.
I used to be athletic, and still don't carry much extra weight.
Trying to get my legs back in shape now. Hell, I'm only 64.
Funny thing happened when I climbed up on the roof using the
tuckpointer's ladder.
After I took the shots of the caps, I basically collapsed with a
pulled muscle. Could barely get back to the ladder, and really
worried the tuckpointer, who actually grabbed my arm to aid me.
"Sir, Sir, let me help you." And he's 54!
Felt bad about worrying him.
When I got back on the ladder I looked at him and told him how I used
to hang off 40 footers painting with my brother.
I'm sure that impressed him.

--Vic

On Apr 13, 3:43*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 4/13/2011 3:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Apr 13, 3:15 pm, Vic *wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff
wrote:

* *It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

* *Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. *But not me. *Too old for that.

* *My 80 year old friend Steve works on his roof, he also walks around
his house on his hands.

* *YMMV.

It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.

* *What warranty? I don't think there is any kind of a warranty on 3 tab
shingles cut and applied as a ridge cap. I can't see this as being
expensive to fix.

* *Jeff

"...he also walks around his house on his hands."

Why?

And doesn't that leave footprints on his knuckles?

On 4/13/2011 4:10 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, Jeff wrote:
On 4/13/2011 3:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Apr 13, 3:15 pm, Vic wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:49:02 -0400, Jeff
wrote:

It seems to me also, since the cap shingles are bent that that cuts
into the life also.

Just replace them.

That's what I'll do. But not me. Too old for that.

My 80 year old friend Steve works on his roof, he also walks around
his house on his hands.

YMMV.

It's going to be interesting to see what the original roofer says.

--Vic

My prediction:

1 - The roofer will blame the manufacturer.
2 - The manufacturer will blame the roofer.
3 - You'll be stuck in the middle with no recourse until you finally
give up and pay someone to replace something that should be covered
under *somebody's" warranty.

What warranty? I don't think there is any kind of a warranty on 3 tab
shingles cut and applied as a ridge cap. I can't see this as being
expensive to fix.

Jeff

"...he also walks around his house on his hands."

Why?

And doesn't that leave footprints on his knuckles?

Because he can, and wants to be able to for as long as he can. Also
teaches acrobatics.

Jeff

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:30:57 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On Apr 13, 1:04Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

Jumped up the chimney tuckpointer's ladder to take a look.
Didn't even have to drag out my heavy.

http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/n...h_bucket/Roof/

Comments?

Well, I'm not sure why someone would use old, mismatched shingles as
cap shingles on a new roof, but it wasn't the best idea they ever
had. Strange place to save $20. I've never seen such deteriorated
cap shingles. How long had the cap shingles been sitting (outside?)
before they were installed? I'm guessing they must have been left
over from the previous roof installation, so at least fifteen years.
Looking on the bright side, at least they'll be real easy to replace.

R

Roof was done 10 years ago this week.
The caps were the same color as the shingles.
I've been up there most years since.
But not for 4 years, because I had my gutter clogging tree cut down.
4 years ago I didn't notice any deterioration of the caps.
Looks like I got "40 year" shingles with 10-year self-destructing
caps.
I see the roofer is still in business, so I'll call him out and see
what he says.


I just got around to getting roofers to look at this.
They kept curling up more and I don't want a leak.
The original guy only returned my call once after about 6 calls to his
answering service and voice mail. I wasn't home when he called and it
went to my voice mail. I don't think he's really active anymore.
Maybe hitting the bottle. Gave up on him.
Anyway, the problem is he used an "organic" shingle for the caps.
Well known by roofers and customers who got them. I just found out.
http://www.certainteedshinglesettlement.com/faq.cfm
Gonna cost me $900 to get them pulled and replaced with good stuff.
House and garage.
**** happens.