The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/16/2011 11:25 AM, bud-- wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/15/2011 12:42 PM, bud-- wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Death Panels? I assume you're referring to that abomination of a
health
care bill? I haven't read the bill but if health care becomes
rationed
which I believe it will if that nonsense is allowed to continue,
you can
be assured that some sort of bureaucratic group will start deciding
whether or not your life is worth spending money on to preserve it.
ALready is and always has been. Even MCare doesn't pay for everything.
Besides rationing is what economic systems do by definition.

The death panel stuff was way beyond that.

It was based on a provision for counseling where someone could discuss
with a doctor what the patient wanted for treatment - such as maintain
maximum care if brain dead. Some people seem to not want to be kept
alive if they are a vegetable. A "health directive" would make clear
what the patient wanted. Medical staff could make clear what kind of
choices might come up. The patient made the decisions.

There were no death panels.

Thanks to the idiocy of Palin and others, like tea-party robots at home
congressional meetings, the provision was removed. Much better that
vegetables be kept alive with machines.



I do believe there is something called "A Living Will" that would
convey the wish of a patient that no extraordinary measures be
used to keep them alive.

With minimal thinking ability you could figure out that what Palin (and
other idiots) called "death panels" was optional counseling by medical
staff to help people create their own "Living Will". The medical staff
would be *paid*. The decisions, if any, are made by the people. That is
all there was in the health proposal that Palin called "death panels".
It was a lie. It was spread by many of the right wing darlings. Many
(most?) gullible tea-party types believed it. Are you one of them?


With minimal reading comprehension you assume I'm a member of The Tea
Party.

Didn't say that at all..
You have some of the same gullibility problems, so I asked.


Look it up at FactCheck. Or PolitiFact - it was the "lie of the year".

So now people can try to guess what might happen to them for what they
put in their Living Will. Guessing in medical areas is such a good idea.


My roommate's mom had A Living Will and his family had to fight the
medical staff who wished to ignore the DNR instructions.

Which is irrelevant.

You said you didn't know what "death panels" were. Have figured it out?

Have you figured out that they were a lie?

Do you remember that tea-party types were screaming (literally) about
"death panels" at town hall meetings?

Have you figured out "death panels" was actually optional help for
making a Living Will?


It was my understanding that a Navy aircraft carrier task force was
sent
into the area when President Obama visited India. I understand there
were 34 ships involved.
Not unusual and it was a TF that was already on station in the area.
No big deal.


I agree it was routine.

But not for idiot Bachman. How many people believed her? She got her
cost information on the internet - it must have been right. Hard to
imagine what you would have to do to cost $100M per day.


Funny thing, I saw $200 million cost per day at one source. I suppose if
The Congressional Budget Office produced a number, you wouldn't believe
them either? There are so many hidden costs associated with protecting
our President, that I doubt anyone could produce an accurate accounting.


Read what Kurt wrote.

What number did the CBO produce - you conveniently don't say.

There goes your lack of reading comprehension again. Liberal Commiecrats

Name calling is so useful.....
Name calling is a favorite of people with nothing to say.

not only suffer from selective hearing but it's obvious your type is
also afflicted with selective reading.

Sorry - I mistakenly thought you were saying something relevant.
Like a reliable source for $200M.
If you don't believe it maybe you shouldn't quote it.
Don't have to be real smart to figure out $100M/day is insane. But then
Bachman isn't real smart.
You can't figure it out?


Or maybe a reliable source that says Wisconsin cleanup cost $16M.


You are gullible enough to believe anything idiots like Bachman say.


Hey - I'll sell you a deed to a famous historical bridge - cheap.
Absolutely legal.


You call me gullible when you have no reading comprehension and you
actually believe you could sell the deed to The Brooklyn Bridge? Geez!

You seem to believe about anything.

Like $16M in Wisconsin?

$200M for India? It doesn't immediately fail the smell test?

You thought "death panels" had some reasonable meaning?

Wanna buy the deed to a bridge?

On Mar 17, 7:47*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 3/17/2011 1:42 PM, bud-- wrote:





The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/16/2011 11:25 AM, bud-- wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/15/2011 12:42 PM, bud-- wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Death Panels? I assume you're referring to that abomination of a
health
care bill? I haven't read the bill but if health care becomes
rationed
which I believe it will if that nonsense is allowed to continue,
you can
be assured that some sort of bureaucratic group will start deciding
whether or not your life is worth spending money on to preserve it.