Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because
"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.
I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger. I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off. This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well. Currently they've been using it
with the sprayer just left hanging in one bowl of the sink, but that to
me is an inelegant solution and I'd like to fix it.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine
maybe two years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because
"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told. I
was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.) The
other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The issue
is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the trigger.
I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and installed it on
his hose and that one works better, but it still dribbles water when the
trigger is released, it does not completely shut off. This leads me to
believe that the diverter valve is not functioning on THIS faucet as
well. Currently they've been using it with the sprayer just left hanging
in one bowl of the sink, but that to me is an inelegant solution and I'd
like to fix it.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine
maybe two years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

nate

Hi,
Can you hear diverter vale moving in/out with snappy aound when sprayer
is used? Sounds like diverter problm. There is better one made of metal
than cheap plastic.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side sprayers,
with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at my house, and
was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because "the diverter was bad
and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told. I was not present to observe
exactly what prompted the replacement.) The other is installed in my friend's
house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer. Based
on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The issue is that the
sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the trigger. I took the
sprayer from the old faucet from my house and installed it on his hose and
that one works better, but it still dribbles water when the trigger is
released, it does not completely shut off. This leads me to believe that the
diverter valve is not functioning on THIS faucet as well. Currently they've
been using it with the sprayer just left hanging in one bowl of the sink, but
that to me is an inelegant solution and I'd like to fix it.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine maybe two
years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

I would suspect the hose end nozzle valves. The diverter valve, as far as I can
tell, just shuts off the water to the spout when the hose valve opens
sufficiently, thereby increasing the pressure at the hose..

On 03/12/2011 02:53 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because
"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told. I
was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.) The
other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The issue
is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the trigger.
I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and installed it on
his hose and that one works better, but it still dribbles water when the
trigger is released, it does not completely shut off. This leads me to
believe that the diverter valve is not functioning on THIS faucet as
well. Currently they've been using it with the sprayer just left hanging
in one bowl of the sink, but that to me is an inelegant solution and I'd
like to fix it.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine
maybe two years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

nate

Hi,
Can you hear diverter vale moving in/out with snappy aound when sprayer
is used? Sounds like diverter problm. There is better one made of metal
than cheap plastic.

Nope, I can't. Sprayers don't work, but when placing thumb firmly over
end of hose (with sprayer removed) I can't hear it. I know the sound
you mean. That is why I suspected that in addition to the sprayers
being limed up that the diverter might be as well, but I don't know how
to remove/clean it. My main prob right now is I haven't a clue how to
start taking the thing apart to even investigate.

BTW I'm pretty sure that my friend's faucet is a 7434; "mine" is a 7430
(reading off the box.) only difference appears to be configuration of
incoming lines from below and placement of sprayer.

nate

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

Come to think, it wasn't the on/off valve that leaked. It was the
connection to the hose. There were two washers and a small metal ring
to hold one or both washers in place. The big black washer was soft
and should have worked when the sparyer halves were tightened
together, but the big black washer on the replacement was even softer,
and that made the difference. If I had a big black washer like that,
or even one I think with a bigger center hole, that woudl have been
all I needed, but if I do have anything like that, it's probably 10 or
20 yeasrs old. Maybe they sell them separately, but I'm happy to have
the thing fixed and didn't understnad the problem when I was at the
store.


Currently they've been using it
with the sprayer just left hanging in one bowl of the sink, but that to
me is an inelegant solution and I'd like to fix it.

Me too. But I don't even know where they live.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine
maybe two years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

If it's leaking betwween the sprayer and the hose, it's leaking, not
clogged, and your vinegar is meant to remove deposits in the sprayer,
not where it attaches to the hose. Wait, yours is only one year old?
If it's the wwasher it should still be soft, maybe you can scrape the
deposits off the faces of the washer with a pen knife, any sharp
non-serrated knife, if there are any.

You never said where it was leaking.

nate

The talk about the noise of the diverter valve is distracting you
fronm the leak, which is your friend's problem. well, if the sprayer
never totally closes, maybe htat's why the diverter doesn't make that
noise. Holding your thumb over the hose totally closes the sprayer
output. Letting go of the sprayer trigger with the leaky washer
doeesn't.

On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my
friend's faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a
string of something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat.
Unfortunately "his" sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different
design, was not able to be disassembled to the point that I could
disassemble the actual valve part. However, after soaking for a couple
hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that
I've got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear
the "snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out
of the aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you
disassemble this thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a
plug in the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without
destroying it... and the diverter is just shown floating in space
without any indication where it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what
the hell is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't
have destroyed an installed, functional faucet...

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my friend's
faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a string of
something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat. Unfortunately "his"
sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different design, was not able to be
disassembled to the point that I could disassemble the actual valve part.
However, after soaking for a couple hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the hell
is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have destroyed
an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on. Unscrew the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under that.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the
hell is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have
destroyed an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on. Unscrew
the top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under
that.



I could add - I had one that a new diverter didn't fix. I finally discovered
that there was an old diverter valve seal stuck in the hole, keeping the
diverter from working.

On 03/12/2011 04:07 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:43 -0800, "Bob
wrote:


"Nate wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my friend's
faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a string of
something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat. Unfortunately "his"
sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different design, was not able to be
disassembled to the point that I could disassemble the actual valve part.
However, after soaking for a couple hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the hell
is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have destroyed
an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on. Unscrew the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under that.


..Use the tip of a utility knife blade to carefully pry the plug out..

maybe it's already horked up then...there's nothing to pry. looks like
the only way to get it out is to drill it or punch it in (assuming that
there's room behind it.)

nate

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:23:30 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

Ah.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my
friend's faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a
string of something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat.
Unfortunately "his" sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different
design, was not able to be disassembled to the point that I could
disassemble the actual valve part.

I coudlnt' get mine apart either, so far. It was schelded for
destruction/examination but now it occurs to me, if it only leaked
because of that washer, maybe I shoudlnt' destroy it.

However, after soaking for a couple
hours, it's now working.

Wonderful. I don't mind being wrong.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that
I've got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear
the "snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out
of the aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you
disassemble this thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

I see.

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a
plug in the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without
destroying it...

"It was necessary to destroy the village to save it."

and the diverter is just shown floating in space
without any indication where it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what
the hell is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't
have destroyed an installed, functional faucet...

nate

On 3/12/2011 2:26 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because
"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told. I
was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.) The
other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The issue
is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the trigger.
I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and installed it on
his hose and that one works better, but it still dribbles water when the
trigger is released, it does not completely shut off. This leads me to
believe that the diverter valve is not functioning on THIS faucet as
well. Currently they've been using it with the sprayer just left hanging
in one bowl of the sink, but that to me is an inelegant solution and I'd
like to fix it.

Does this sound reasonable? Both faucets failed quite "young," mine
maybe two years after installation, my friend's less than a year.

I do have both of the side sprayers currently soaking in glasses full of
vinegar right now in an attempt to free them up...

nate


Mine acted similar. I took it apart and lubed the O-rings with plumbing
lube and it works great.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2011 04:07 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:43 -0800, "Bob
wrote:


"Nate wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my friend's
faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a string of
something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat. Unfortunately "his"
sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different design, was not able to
be
disassembled to the point that I could disassemble the actual valve part.
However, after soaking for a couple hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that
I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug
in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying
it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication
where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the
hell
is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have
destroyed
an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on. Unscrew
the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under
that.


..Use the tip of a utility knife blade to carefully pry the plug out..

maybe it's already horked up then...there's nothing to pry. looks like the
only way to get it out is to drill it or punch it in (assuming that there's
room behind it.)

What is "it"? I can't imagine what could be so hard to get out. How far apart do
you have the faucet?

"Bob F" wrote in message
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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 04:07 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:43 -0800, "Bob
wrote:


"Nate wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my friend's
faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a string of
something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat. Unfortunately "his"
sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different design, was not able to
be
disassembled to the point that I could disassemble the actual valve part.
However, after soaking for a couple hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that
I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble
this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug
in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying
it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication
where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the
hell
is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have
destroyed
an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on.
Unscrew the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under
that.


..Use the tip of a utility knife blade to carefully pry the plug out..

maybe it's already horked up then...there's nothing to pry. looks like the
only way to get it out is to drill it or punch it in (assuming that there's
room behind it.)

What is "it"? I can't imagine what could be so hard to get out. How far apart
do you have the faucet?


If what you are talking about is some kind of cover over the set screw that
holds the handle on (under the handle when you lift it up), then prying it out
with a sharp point is probably right.

On 03/12/2011 08:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
...

"Nate wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 04:07 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:56:43 -0800, "Bob
wrote:


"Nate wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2011 03:00 PM, mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:59 -0500, Nate
wrote:

Hi all

I am messing with TWO Moen "Chateau" single handle faucets with side
sprayers, with what I believe are similar problems. One I bought new at
my house, and was handed it in a box when I went to clean out because

When you went to clean out???

"the diverter was bad and I had a handyman replace it" (as I was told.

A tenant told you this?

My ex - she stayed in the house a little longer than I did.


I was not present to observe exactly what prompted the replacement.)
The other is installed in my friend's house.

The one that is still installed has had problems with the side sprayer.
Based on the deposits that I see on it, they have hard water. The
issue is that the sprayer does not stop spraying when you release the
trigger.
**

I took the sprayer from the old faucet from my house and
installed it on his hose and that one works better, but it still
dribbles water when the trigger is released, it does not completely shut
off.**

This leads me to believe that the diverter valve is not
functioning on THIS faucet as well.

**The dribbling woudl be because the sprayer valve is bad, no? Not
the diverter valve. If so, they sell heads separately. All white,
all black, black with silver trim, and one other, maybe all silver.
Six dollars at HD for a couple of those styles. Other styles at Ace,
but the one at HD matched my old one perfectly. (mine was not coming
out the opening but dribbling down from under the sprayer, down the
hose, and I had to pull the hose out to keep it from going under the
sink. Oh yeah, that's what you're talking about.

It's dribbling out of the sprayer, not down the hose.

I disassembled the one from "my" faucet (which was actually on my friend's
faucet; he borrowed it to try to get his working) and found a string of
something, looked like Teflon tape, fouling the seat. Unfortunately "his"
sprayer, which was apparently a slightly different design, was not able to
be
disassembled to the point that I could disassemble the actual valve part.
However, after soaking for a couple hours, it's now working.


Isn't the dirverter valve under the main faucet, not the on/off valve
in the sprayer? I thought the diverter valve was meant, when the
sprayer was on, to stop any flow of water to the faucet itself, to
increase pressure to the sprayer, which would otherwise be less than
half of the original pressure.

snip

I believe so, yes, and I believe that it is limed up as well. Now that
I've
got a reasonably functional sprayer on it, I find that I don't hear the
"snapping" noise that Tony describes, and water still dribbles out of the
aerator while using the spray nozzle. How the heck do you disassemble
this
thing?

this was all I could find:

http://www.moen.com/shared/pdf/7430pt.pdf

which isn't really much help... it appears that step 1 is to remove a plug
in
the handle, and I can't even see how to get that out without destroying
it...
and the diverter is just shown floating in space without any indication
where
it is located...

maybe I'll try disassembling "my" faucet first just so I can see what the
hell
is going on in there, that way if I destroy it I at least won't have
destroyed
an installed, functional faucet...

Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on.
Unscrew the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under
that.


..Use the tip of a utility knife blade to carefully pry the plug out..

maybe it's already horked up then...there's nothing to pry. looks like the
only way to get it out is to drill it or punch it in (assuming that there's
room behind it.)

What is "it"? I can't imagine what could be so hard to get out. How far apart
do you have the faucet?


If what you are talking about is some kind of cover over the set screw that
holds the handle on (under the handle when you lift it up), then prying it out
with a sharp point is probably right.



yes, I'm talking about what appears to be the cover over the set screw,
based on the parts diagram. It's this grey plastic thing recessed below
the surface, so prying it out is impossible. I'll try it again
tomorrow, but if it starts taking too long I'll just probably punt on
the exercise because I'm starting to see why the faucet at my old place
was just replaced... there's not a whole lot of online how to on these
things, and I'm sure this would be laughably easy for a plumber familiar
with the units but the replacement cost is less than the truck charge to
have a plumber come out.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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Use a allen wrench to loosen the set screw that holds the handle on.
Unscrew the
top of the valve, then pull out the controll ball. The diverter is under
that.


..Use the tip of a utility knife blade to carefully pry the plug out..

maybe it's already horked up then...there's nothing to pry. looks like the
only way to get it out is to drill it or punch it in (assuming that there's
room behind it.)

What is "it"? I can't imagine what could be so hard to get out. How far
apart
do you have the faucet?


If what you are talking about is some kind of cover over the set screw that
holds the handle on (under the handle when you lift it up), then prying it
out
with a sharp point is probably right.



yes, I'm talking about what appears to be the cover over the set screw, based
on the parts diagram. It's this grey plastic thing recessed below the
surface, so prying it out is impossible. I'll try it again tomorrow, but if
it starts taking too long I'll just probably punt on the exercise because I'm
starting to see why the faucet at my old place was just replaced... there's
not a whole lot of online how to on these things, and I'm sure this would be
laughably easy for a plumber familiar with the units but the replacement cost
is less than the truck charge to have a plumber come out.


It's probably a plastic cover. Maybe you could heat up a needle and melt it into
the cover at an angle so you can pry it out. Or even, melt the head of a pin
into it, then let it solidify around it and use pliers? (WAG)

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:09:54 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:



yes, I'm talking about what appears to be the cover over the set screw,
based on the parts diagram. It's this grey plastic thing recessed below
the surface, so prying it out is impossible. I'll try it again
tomorrow, but if it starts taking too long I'll just probably punt on
the exercise because I'm starting to see why the faucet at my old place
was just replaced...

It's always "nice" when people who looked stupid don't look so stupid
anymore. Assuming one wishes there were less stupidity.

there's not a whole lot of online how to on these
things, and I'm sure this would be laughably easy for a plumber familiar
with the units but the replacement cost is less than the truck charge to
have a plumber come out.

nate

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
If what you are talking about is some kind of cover over the set screw that
holds the handle on (under the handle when you lift it up), then prying it
out
with a sharp point is probably right.



yes, I'm talking about what appears to be the cover over the set screw, based
on the parts diagram. It's this grey plastic thing recessed below the
surface, so prying it out is impossible. I'll try it again tomorrow, but if
it starts taking too long I'll just probably punt on the exercise because I'm
starting to see why the faucet at my old place was just replaced... there's
not a whole lot of online how to on these things, and I'm sure this would be
laughably easy for a plumber familiar with the units but the replacement cost
is less than the truck charge to have a plumber come out.

Once you get the plug out, throw it away, and your faucet will be easily
servicable for years to come.