The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Jan 24, 8:51*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.


I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.


Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.


--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.


I get mine every year. Never had a problem. I think some people are
more susceptible than most.

I haven't had pneumonia since I was a kid. I've lived in Michigan for
over 30 years and I don't even wear a coat unless it's real cold and
I'm going to be outside for more than five minutes. If I go somewhere,
it's a little chilly till the car gets warmed up but it doesn't bother
me.

Yesterday it was about 15 degrees out and I went to the garage for
something and a neighbor came walking by and I went out to the road
and stood there talking to him for over 10 minutes. All I had on my
upper body was a t-shirt and sweat shirt. I didn't even have a cap on.
I did get pretty cold but could tolerate it.

I still don't like the cold weather tho. I'd spend winters in Florida
if I could.

-C-

On Jan 24, 9:45*am, Country wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:51*am, "Stormin Mormon"





wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

I get mine every year. Never had a problem. I think some people are
more susceptible than most.

I haven't had pneumonia since I was a kid. I've lived in Michigan for
over 30 years and I don't even wear a coat unless it's real cold and
I'm going to be outside for more than five minutes. If I go somewhere,
it's a little chilly till the car gets warmed up but it doesn't bother
me.

Yesterday it was about 15 degrees out and I went to the garage for
something and a neighbor came walking by and I went out to the road
and stood there talking to him for over 10 minutes. All I had on my
upper body was a t-shirt and sweat shirt. I didn't even have a cap on.
I did get pretty cold but could tolerate it.

I still don't like the cold weather tho. I'd spend winters in Florida
if I could.

-C-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just don't do what I did. Many years agoI was taking a night class,
and in the dead of winter in the Chicago area, got in my car dressed
for inside the buildings I was going to be in. I didn't bring a
jacket, and the trip involved an area that was somewhat rural. That
is where the car decided to crap out. And I had no cell phone because
no one did at the time.

I hiked to the nearest gas station, dressed for weather 50 degrees
warmer than it was. And I ran into the slesman who sold the car to
me. He asked how I liked the car, and did not like my response, since
I told him I was getting a lot of exercise owning it.

On 1/24/2011 9:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

As a survival oriented guy, you should get them and update other shots
like tetanus. I get them all and have never had a problem.

On 1/24/2011 9:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot, but it is possible to
get some *minor* symptoms that mimic the flu. Getting the flu from a
flu shot is just your garden variety old wives tale.

Everyone around here has been pushing flu shots since late november, and
in their scare tactics saying that it is good for the n1h1 flu also.
Seems that people remember how practically no one got the n1h1 last
year, and it ain't gonna get them this year either. That whole scare
made some people a lot of money, and lost lot's of money for others.

I used to get flu shots because I had always suffered from what appeared
to be the flu many many times a year, all year round. I imagined it
helped a little bit, and any help was better than no help. Turns out
I'm allergic to either wheat or gluten or both, and that was the cause
of my flu like symptoms. BTW, I haven't used an antibiotic in at least
20 years. Their use can actually weaken your immune system.

In article ,
Tony Miklos wrote:


It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot, but it is possible to
get some *minor* symptoms that mimic the flu. Getting the flu from a
flu shot is just your garden variety old wives tale.

Kinda sorta. The shots use a killed version of the bug to trigger
immunity and thus isn't possible. The nasal variety uses a weakened
virus so it is theoretically possible to get a light case of the flu. In
either case, it takes a couple of weeks for the antibodies to build up
in the system to where they are therapeutic and if you happen to run
across a flu bug during that time (or right before the shot is given)
you can still come down with it. Also, the flu shots are educated
guesses as to which of the critter's many types will show up based on
what happens in the Southern Hemisphere during their flu season.
Sometimes they guess wrong and it doesn't protect entirely.


Everyone around here has been pushing flu shots since late november, and
in their scare tactics saying that it is good for the n1h1 flu also.
Seems that people remember how practically no one got the n1h1 last
year, and it ain't gonna get them this year either. That whole scare
made some people a lot of money, and lost lot's of money for others.
Pretty much standard epidemiological and public health response. We
had a new virus that hadn't been seen in humans so there was likely to
be little or no herd immunity, you had some idea of the characteristics,
but not know all of them, so you had to plan and suspect the worse. If
they did otherwise and the flu took off, then they would have to answer
to everyone about why they could have let something like that. Public
health has to be largely based on the idea that it is better to ask
forgiveness than permission, because by the time you have all the facts,
it is likely to be too late to do anything. The thin ice on which they
skate is between getting people safe and crying wolf once too often.
Especially since if they do their job correctly, they keep people safe,
stop the worst problems and, by their own actions, make it look like
they cried wolf.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On 1/24/2011 2:44 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Tony wrote:


It is impossible to get the flu from a flu shot, but it is possible to
get some *minor* symptoms that mimic the flu. Getting the flu from a
flu shot is just your garden variety old wives tale.

Kinda sorta. The shots use a killed version of the bug to trigger
immunity and thus isn't possible. The nasal variety uses a weakened
virus so it is theoretically possible to get a light case of the flu. In
either case, it takes a couple of weeks for the antibodies to build up
in the system to where they are therapeutic and if you happen to run
across a flu bug during that time (or right before the shot is given)
you can still come down with it. Also, the flu shots are educated
guesses as to which of the critter's many types will show up based on
what happens in the Southern Hemisphere during their flu season.
Sometimes they guess wrong and it doesn't protect entirely.

I never heard of the nasal type that uses a weakened virus, interesting.

"Tony Miklos" wrote in message ...

Getting the flu from a flu shot is just your garden variety old wives
tale.

I think we're supposed to call those Urban Myths now. Either way, some
people thrive on such nonsense, they're happier with myths that appeal to
their paranoia than they are with anything resembling facts.

On 1/24/2011 5:10 PM, DGDevin wrote:


"Tony Miklos" wrote in message ...

Getting the flu from a flu shot is just your garden variety old wives
tale.

I think we're supposed to call those Urban Myths now. Either way, some
people thrive on such nonsense, they're happier with myths that appeal
to their paranoia than they are with anything resembling facts.

Whenever I get immunizations and am told "This one will make you a
little sick and this one won't." It's always the opposite with me.
I have a strange immune system. :-)

TDD

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


You are foolish. I had the Hong Kong flu in1968. For a couple days I though
I would die. Then it got so bad I thought I wanted to die. I have taken
every flu shot since and had no problems. As you get older it is a good
ides to take the pneumonia shots. Have lost a couple friends to pneumonia
who did not take the shots. WW
.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.


The pneumonia shot is only every 5 years. I had mine, no pneumonia from
it. Never had pneumonia.
I get a flu shot every year, never had the flu.
I also had my shingles shot, never got shingles and don't want it.
I get a tetanus shot every 10 years, never had tetanus.
I have polio shots, never got polio and don't want it either.

Only morons avoid shots.


--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:43:27 -0500, LSMFT wrote:


Only morons avoid shots.

You have a pretty wide brush stroke there.

People have the choice to get the flu shots or not. Some folks just
don't want them. OP for example.

Others may object to the shots for purely religious reasons. Some
people don't trust banks and hide the money under the mattress.

Exercising one's choice doesn't necessarily make them a moron.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:43:27 -0500, LSMFT wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.


The pneumonia shot is only every 5 years. I had mine, no pneumonia from
it. Never had pneumonia.
I get a flu shot every year, never had the flu.
I also had my shingles shot, never got shingles and don't want it.
I get a tetanus shot every 10 years, never had tetanus.
I have polio shots, never got polio and don't want it either.

Only morons avoid shots.

I think you meant "morMon".

On 1/24/2011 1:43 PM, LSMFT wrote:



The pneumonia shot is only every 5 years. I had mine, no pneumonia from
it. Never had pneumonia.

According to the CDC, " A one-time revaccination is indicated for
• All children and adults through age 64 years who are at highest risk
of serious pneumo-coccal disease or are likely to have a rapid
decline in pneumococcal antibody levels (categories 4 and 5 to the left)
if 5 years (or more) have elapsed since the previous
dose.
• All adults age 65 years and older who were previously vaccinated with
PPSV prior to age 65 years if 5 years (or more) have
elapsed since the previous dose"

Note: The guidance says "a 1 time revaccination...".

See:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...s_cid=mm5901a5
for the CDC's summary chart of the recommended schedule for all common
vaccinations.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

One friend reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

If true, this sort of makes one wonder why he decided each year
to have another pneumonia shot. Perhaps he liked the attention


--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I've also wondered. It's like hitting your finger with a
hammer. So, stop doing that!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in message
...

One friend reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year,
immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

If true, this sort of makes one wonder why he decided each
year
to have another pneumonia shot. Perhaps he liked the
attention


--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On 1/24/2011 9:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The pharmacies near me are promoting flu shots.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot. One friend
reports that his Dad got pneumonia every year, immediately
after getting a pneumonia shot.

Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.


Ya' don't get flu from flu shots. I've given thousands of them, as a
factory nurse. Never taken one, and don't get flu. Every year during
flu season, I'd have lots of people come in for meds .. Tylenol or
aspirin, antihistamines, etc. .. and every year I'd begin to get
symptoms like I was getting the flu, then it was over. Perhaps being
around so many people with various cold/flu symptoms helped build my
immunity. Flu is dangerous, especially for elderly, babies, pregnant
women and anyone with chronic conditions like diabetes. I never went to
work sick when I worked with those patients, either...they didn't need
my cold. Flu in early pregnancy can cause miscarriage, happens a lot.
Being a healthy sixty-year-old is different than being a healthy
eighty-year-old. Elderly can't fight off flu as younger people can. As
with anything, need to understand consequences either way.

wrote in message

Ya' don't get flu from flu shots.

That's true if the vaccines are properly made and tested. In an era where
even kiddy Tylenol has had massive recalls and where vaccine makers are
"suit proof" I have serious reservations about the quality controls.

http://children.webmd.com/news/20100...yrtec-benadryl

stuff snipped

Elderly can't fight off flu as younger people can.

Interestingly enough, that's not always a given. The recent flu as well as
the flu that caused the great 1918 epidemic killed more youngsters than
oldsters. The reason? "Juicy" young people can apparently generate enough
phlegm to drown themselves in it. Dried up older people like me and Willie
Nelson (who claims to have "outlived his dick") can't produce nearly as much
phlegm as so can't produce the prodigious amounts of it that clog the lungs
and helps cause death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

"Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a
cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) which perhaps
explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its
victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas
the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults resulted in
fewer deaths . . . The unusually severe disease killed between 2% and 20% of
those infected, as opposed to the usual flu epidemic mortality rate of 0.1%.
Another unusual feature of this pandemic was that it mostly killed young
adults, with 99% of pandemic influenza deaths occurring in people under 65,
and more than half in young adults 20 to 40 years old."

There are other reasons why older folks sometimes fare better than
whippersnappers:

http://www.virology.ws/2009/11/02/wh...fluenza-virus/

The problem, as I see it, is that each flu season is a "new deal of the
cards" and it's very hard to figure out what the parameters of the latest
epidemic will be.

I found that I stopped getting really sick when I stopped flying
commercially. Overcrowded planes during holiday flights are about the best
disease incubators you could design. Over-recycled and under-filtered air
combined with lots of passengers who decide to "fly sick" rather than miss
their flight packed tightly together is a recipe for disaster. Pilots are
encouraged to save money by recycling air rather than pulling in outside,
frigid air and pressurizing and heating it. The world's next great epidemic
will most likely be spread by our airline system. It may be that only
countries like China, willing to quarantine whole planeloads of travelers
for weeks, will survive relatively unscathed.

Air quality was SO bad in some older aircraft that aircrews would often pass
out:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-1646350.html

"Boeing 757s, Airbus A320s, Boeing 737s and Embraer ERJ-145s have all had
incidents reported. Nor is the experience restricted to aircrews -
passengers are affected, too. On a Swedish flight some years ago, Captain
Neils Gomer would have passed out if he hadn't reached for the oxygen (the
aircraft might have crashed too). When he went to check on his passengers,
many were close to unconsciousness - the crew described them as being in a
"zombie-like condition"

Sitting on the tarmac, sucking in jet exhaust doesn't help, either. The FAA
mandated, a while back, that the pilots HAD to have better air than they
were getting or planes might start falling out of the sky. I read part of
the Boeing Dreamliner's new improvements are a vastly improved air
filtration system. It's about time.

--
Bobby G.

"A. Baum" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:49:27 -0500, Robert Green wrote:

Interestingly enough, that's not always a given. The recent flu as well
as the flu that caused the great 1918 epidemic killed more youngsters
than oldsters. The reason? "Juicy" young people can apparently
generate enough phlegm to drown themselves in it. Dried up older people
like me and Willie Nelson (who claims to have "outlived his dick") can't
produce nearly as much phlegm as so can't produce the prodigious amounts
of it that clog the lungs and helps cause death.

Somewhat true but most elderly who die from the flue die from
complications like congestive heart failure. Especially those who
already have compromised heart output. Or they die from organ shutdown.
A cascading failure of heart, kidney, liver and eventually succumb to
asphyxiation of the brain due to inadequate blood supply and under-
oxygenated blood. Flu hits the young and elderly in most cases the
hardest.

You raise an interesting point. Since the number of autosopies performed
each year has been dropping steadily (except for judicially ordered ones) we
have less and less meaningful data about the actual causes of death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopsy

"In the United States, autopsy rates fell from 17% in 1980 to 14% in 1985
and 11.5% in 1989, although the figures vary notably from county to county."

Something like the death from influenza could end up being listed in any
number of the categories you've described (and does). Determining the true
source of mortality is becoming harder and harder because autopsies are
performed on just about 10% of the people who die (and a large number of
those are judicial autopsies, where criminality may be an issue). The stats
on causes of death are important because they tend to direct where we spend
our research dollars. The stats I quoted in the original post indicate the
death rates and how the deaths of previously healthy individuals stand out
when compared to the young and elderly, *even* considering the latter's
tendency towards death from pre-existing conditions.

To illustrate how "soft" flu death stats a

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm says:

"Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of
flu-associated deaths range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about
49,000 people."

That's a pretty damn wide range.

The medical researchers I know say that our information about causes of
death is extremely unreliable and getting worse every year. As you might
imagine, when given the choice between reporting a cause of death that
leaves them open to possible malpractice charges and one that does not,
doctors almost always check the "I had nothing to do with it" block. As
computer scientists say, Garbage In, Garbage Out.

All that aside, flu statistics show that some variations of the disease,
like the one that caused the 1918 epidemic, kill the young and previously
healthy at a greater rate than the elderly precisely because their immune
systems ARE in excellent shape. Half the 1918 deaths were in the 20-40 year
old, previously health group. When those young and healthy immune systems
are "overdriven" they can produce the cytokine storms that kill young people
by literally drowning them in their own phlegm. Our current vaccines,
Tamiflu and Relenza, offer no protection against these lethals "storms:"

http://www.cytokinestorm.com/

The overdriven immune response death is directly attributable to the flu and
its ensuing complications and nothing else. No pre-existing, potentially
lethal conditions are partially to blame so there is far less chance of an
error in the cause of death.

Interestingly enough some of the data that lead to the understanding of
cytokine storms came from autopsies of people who had died in the 1918
epidemic: (who says the dead can't speak?)

http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF13/1386.html

"Hultin looked at an Alaska permafrost map and selected Brevig Mission as a
place that met the requirements of massive flu mortality and frozen ground
that might have preserved bodies. He flew to Brevig Mission in 1951. With
permission from Native elders, Hultin, Geist and two Iowa researchers opened
a mass grave, marked by two crosses. In the grave, missionaries in 1918
buried the bodies of the 72 people who died of the flu."

Those studies showed that although the cause of death was technically
bacterial pneumonia (germs normally found throat and nose colonizing the
lungs), it was the flu that began the downward spiral and caused the
pneumonia.

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2008/niaid-19.htm

All of which goes to prove that "Cause of Death" on a death certificate is
often times just a guess, especially if the flu is involved.

--
Bobby G.

"Robert Green" wrote
"A. Baum" wrote

stuff snipped

"Juicy" young people can apparently
generate enough phlegm to drown themselves in it. Dried up older
people
like me and Willie Nelson (who claims to have "outlived his dick")
can't
produce nearly as much phlegm as so can't produce the prodigious
amounts
of it that clog the lungs and helps cause death.

Somewhat true but most elderly who die from the flue die from
complications like congestive heart failure. Especially those who
already have compromised heart output. Or they die from organ shutdown.
A cascading failure of heart, kidney, liver and eventually succumb to
asphyxiation of the brain due to inadequate blood supply and under-
oxygenated blood. Flu hits the young and elderly in most cases the
hardest.

You raise an interesting point. Since the number of autosopies performed
each year has been dropping steadily (except for judicially ordered ones)
we
have less and less meaningful data about the actual causes of death.

(Responding to my own post to point out there's a documentary how just how
bad things are regarding the state of the nation's coroners. Tonight PBS
will be broadcasting Post Mortem, a film that illuminates the egregious
lapses in the American system of death investigation. It highlights the
widespread incompetence of poorly trained coroners and the failure of local
governments to pay sufficient attention to the need for sound forensic
pathology - "It's not the way they portray it on CSI!" - and it shows how
poorly spent our health care dollars are - we claim to know what the biggest
medical "killers" are, but there's really very little accurate information
to back up any of the claims made by various advocacy groups.)

--
Bobby G.

On Feb 1, 4:44*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"Robert Green" wrote

"A. Baum" wrote

stuff snipped





"Juicy" young people can apparently
generate enough phlegm to drown themselves in it. *Dried up older
people
like me and Willie Nelson (who claims to have "outlived his dick")
can't
produce nearly as much phlegm as so can't produce the prodigious
amounts
of it that clog the lungs and helps cause death.

Somewhat true but most elderly who die from the flue die from
complications like congestive heart failure. Especially those who
already have compromised heart output. Or they die from organ shutdown.

Jesus would get a flu shot. He would say the small risk of personal
discomfort from a flu shot outweighs the larger risk of giving others
your illness if you get the flu.

wrote in message
...
Jesus would get a flu shot. He would say the small risk of personal
discomfort from a flu shot outweighs the larger risk of giving others
your illness if you get the flu.

Really? Then Jesus is an idiot.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:51:56 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Me, I have never gotten a flu shot, and don't plan to. I've
never gotten a pneumonia shot, and don't plan to.

With all due respect, sir, that makes you a freeloader. I'm sure
that's not your intent, but it's the result.

Vaccinations protect in two ways: by reducing the individual's risk of
contracting the disease, and by reducing the rate of spread.

For vaccinations like tetanus, where the source of the infection is
always the non-human environment, only the individual protection
matters. If you have health insurance, you still freeload when you
refuse the vaccine because others will share the cost of your
treatment should you contract tetanus. (In most cases only your family
will share the cost of your funeral.)

But for vaccinations against illnesses like flu, the population
protection (reducing rate of spread) is at least as important as the
individual protection. Reduce the spread rate below the tipping point,
and the epidemic retracts rather than spreading. That's why
vaccinating half or two-thirds of the population against flu reduces
the rate of death and hospitalization by far more than half or
two-thirds. Thus if you are in the non-vaccinated group, you are still
protected by those who accepted the vaccination.

Pneumonia is an intermediate case, since it's more endemic than
epidemic. The vaccine protects at both levels. It's important to
remember, too, that the so-called pneumonia vaccine is actually a
cocktail of vaccines against about 25 pathogens, many of which attack
much more than just the lungs, providing a lot of protection for one
shot.

One of my great-grandfathers died in the 1918 flu epidemic. My mom
died of pneumonia (Streptococcus pneumoniae specifically, which
attacks all the organs, not just the lungs). I would have died at age
18 or before if not for medical miracles. I intend to continue using
what the medical world offers to protect my quality of life. I intend
to continue doing it intelligently, not blindly -- blind acceptance is
not much better than blind rejection; both are silly.

I've heard from more than a couple people, that they got
sick with the flu immediately after a flu shot.

The human mind is capable of detecting many patterns, including many
which are difficult to detect statistically or otherwise. This is our
great strength and our great weakness. We can draw important
conclusions from thin threads -- but often our conclusions are wrong.

Edward